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Peyton Manning smear campaign (1 Viewer)

squistion said:
With all due respect I am probably more of top of the news than most people here and if indeed if I have been living under a rock and everybody knew about it as you claim, Shaun King's article would not have received the reaction that it has, otherwise there would be a collective shrug and everyone would ignore this old and supposedly frequently covered story.
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:lmao:  not really man what can I tell you... google don't lie

 
squistion said:
Most people, such as myself were unfamiliar with the details of this story or that it even happened. It is of news value because it involves Peyton Manning and goes against the carefully cultivated image he has adopted/promoted and appears to involve not only a cover up but an attempt to discredit the alleged victim.
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A problem with how the King piece was written is that now people think they are familiar with the details of the story, not realizing they just heard one side.

Case in point is that few realize the part about the original complaint not involving any physical contact, but the teabagging is just assumed to be true now.

I'm just picturing a version of "Making a Murderer" where all we got to hear about is the prosecutor's argument.  As it was done, it probably put Avery in a more positive light than he should have been, but it was still much more balanced than if we didn't hear any of the defense's argument.

 
jhib said:
 A problem with how the King piece was written is that now people think they are familiar with the details of the story, not realizing they just heard one side.

Case in point is that few realize the part about the original complaint not involving any physical contact, but the teabagging is just assumed to be true now.

I'm just picturing a version of "Making a Murderer" where all we got to hear about is the prosecutor's argument.  As it was done, it probably put Avery in a more positive light than he should have been, but it was still much more balanced than if we didn't hear any of the defense's argument.
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Did you read the King piece? It did touch upon the "original" complaint, but based on testimony of unrelated parties (namely the person who was allegedly supposed to be the one he "mooned") the way it was originally portrayed was inaccurate. In fact, a number of statements the Manning's made turned out to be patently false or maliciously made up.

 
Fictitious Manning threads of the future:

- Peyton Manning being investigated for insider trading

- Peyton Manning investigated by the IRS for filing misleading tax returns 

- Peyton Manning fathers illegitimate triplets

- Peyton Manning fired as GM of Colts after orgy hosted by Jim Irsay

- Peyton Manning uses stand your ground defense in homicide trial

 
squistion said:
My position is consistent with why this is considered newsworthy. Yours is not, but keep stamping your feet and saying "This is old news and everybody already knows about it!" if it makes you feel better.
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Does it really a matter of how many people knew about it before or after the King article?  It was settled in the courts 13 years ago to the agreement of all parties and neither party can discuss it without opening themselves up to additional lawsuits.

It is not breaking news or actionable news it is purely sensationalist click bait.  The fact that it only presents information prepared by her lawyers designed to cast the plaintiffs in the most despicable light should make everyone pause, instead it seems that critical thinking gets thrown out the window in favor of blind, irrational emotional response.

Manning could have done everything she contends, but it is also possible that he didn't.

 
He's def a cheapskate... I read an article about him buying a practice squad WR a custom suit for the Super Bowl. The practice squad receiver met Mannig multiple times a week to run routes for him all season long. Manning is worth 100's of millions, am I supposed to think that this guy is wonderful for spending $2500 for a guy who put in about 250 hours of work for him?

Thats the equivalent of a low paid employee at my company helping me with a year long project that costs him 5 hours a week, at the end of the year I toss him a quarter.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
He's def a cheapskate... I read an article about him buying a practice squad WR a custom suit for the Super Bowl. The practice squad receiver met Mannig multiple times a week to run routes for him all season long. Manning is worth 100's of millions, am I supposed to think that this guy is wonderful for spending $2500 for a guy who put in about 250 hours of work for him?

Thats the equivalent of a low paid employee at my company helping me with a year long project that costs him 5 hours a week, at the end of the year I toss him a quarter.
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No it isn't. 

 
Agent 47 said:
My favorite part, is that the Mannings attempts at hurting her image heavily involved making up stories about her being involved with black people. 

That's right, they think so little of black people that they seem to think it is offensive and damning to be associated, romantically, with one. Nice. 

Peyton Manning: Liar, Sexual Assaulter, Defamer, HGH user, Racist

Anything else?
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You seem angry. :shrug:

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I have folks comparing me to sexual predators and you want to come down on me about Liberalism right now? You really are a Lib!

;)
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Just want to clarify that your post that I quoted was one of the first 5 or so posts in this thread so at the time I posted I didn't see anyone calling you anything or comparing you to anything. Your post blaming the liberal/left for this was before any negative comments directed at you.

 
Chaka said:
Does it really a matter of how many people knew about it before or after the King article?  It was settled in the courts 13 years ago to the agreement of all parties and neither party can discuss it without opening themselves up to additional lawsuits.

It is not breaking news or actionable news it is purely sensationalist click bait.  The fact that it only presents information prepared by her lawyers designed to cast the plaintiffs in the most despicable light should make everyone pause, instead it seems that critical thinking gets thrown out the window in favor of blind, irrational emotional response.

Manning could have done everything she contends, but it is also possible that he didn't.
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Yes. If everybody already knew about it, as has been claimed, no one would be talking about it here or anywhere else and if a thread had been started, it would have been quickly labeled a Honda and old news and would long ago dropped off the first page of this forum.

 
Agent 47 said:
My favorite part, aside from your constant self-victimization, is that you think the outrage here is that he didn't go to jail. I'm not sure a single person suggested jail time.

You are the champion of the straw man argument, a sign of little to no intellect. You continually disparage yourself with your own words, not directly, but indirectly by allowing others insight into your self-conscious, insecure, feeble mind.
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Yeah...OK...I tried but you gotta go. You can have fun trying to convince everyone of that but it's hard to argue with someone when they won't answer back, just ask Em. 

 
Agent 47 said:
Did you read the King piece? It did touch upon the "original" complaint, but based on testimony of unrelated parties (namely the person who was allegedly supposed to be the one he "mooned") the way it was originally portrayed was inaccurate. In fact, a number of statements the Manning's made turned out to be patently false or maliciously made up.
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I read it 4 days ago, so my memory is admittedly foggy.  I certainly don't remember him touching on details of the original complaint and how they differed from the one years later that included the private parts touching her head.  Will go back and check when I have the time.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Fictitious Manning threads of the future:

- Peyton Manning being investigated for insider trading

- Peyton Manning investigated by the IRS for filing misleading tax returns 

- Peyton Manning fathers illegitimate triplets

- Peyton Manning fired as GM of Colts after orgy hosted by Jim Irsay

- Peyton Manning uses stand your ground defense
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My money is on the orgy

 
fantasycurse42 said:
He's def a cheapskate... I read an article about him buying a practice squad WR a custom suit for the Super Bowl. The practice squad receiver met Mannig multiple times a week to run routes for him all season long. Manning is worth 100's of millions, am I supposed to think that this guy is wonderful for spending $2500 for a guy who put in about 250 hours of work for him?

Thats the equivalent of a low paid employee at my company helping me with a year long project that costs him 5 hours a week, at the end of the year I toss him a quarter.
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The practice squad guy gets paid $6,300 a week minimum wage. 

 
Regardless of what any of you folks think about MOP, this thread is filled with a whole bunch of stupid and it ain't me. 

Name calling, educational status, psychological profile, war record, it's all been tossed around in here. 

 
squistion said:
Yes. If everybody already knew about it, as has been claimed, no one would be talking about it here or anywhere else and if a thread had been started, it would have been quickly labeled a Honda and old news and would long ago dropped off the first page of this forum.
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Thanks

 
Can we please get back on topic?

What does "transblack" mean?  Where do I find a definition for this, urban dictionary?

 
squistion said:
My position is consistent with why this is considered newsworthy. Yours is not, but keep stamping your feet and saying "This is old news and everybody already knows about it!" if it makes you feel better.
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You are self professed to be well informed but have fallen for click bait of an either 13 or 20 year old story depending on how you look at it.  On this matter, you are ignorant, and defiant, which would be amusing in its own bubble if it wasn't indicative of our discourse today and the way people process and absorb news.   You are not aware or informed enough to read his piece critically that you are reacting to.

Here are some links to what journalistic standards typically apply from people that do it for a living and what follows are my thoughts that I already wrote out in the other thread we had on this:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/15/shaun-king-doubles-down-in-his-crusade-against-peyton-manning/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/15/new-manning-lawsuit-documents-underscore-one-sided-nature-of-daily-news-document/

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/peyton-manning-newest-target-of-fake-internet-outrage-brigade-021316

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/on-peyton-manning-and-dumb-people-online-021616

If you're so inclined, go to the Peyton Manning clip here, where Florio comments on King's only interview he granted so far on the matter (turned down his request for comment)

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/pro-football-talk-live-mike/id426497635?mt=2

Here are my own thoughts which i don't care to retype

Well that explains it. Without a doubt the worst article I've ever written. I felt like I was on drugs while I was reading it. All over the place and at times made no sense. The only crime I could see here is that Shaun King has a job.

It was long, but it was perfectly coherent.  He was, after all, just summarizing the Plaintiff's Statement of Facts in an Opposition to Summary Judgment.  He could have made it clear that the court document didn't contain any findings of fact, but I certainly didn't find it hard to follow.

I don't know about the worst but this alternative college newspaper writing:






Thirteen years ago, USA Today obtained 74 pages of explosive court documents on Peyton Manning, Archie Manning, the University of Tennessee, and Florida Southern College that revealed allegations of a sexual-assault scandal, cover up, and smear campaign of the victim that was so deep, so widespread and so ugly that it would've rocked the American sports world to its core. Yet USA Today never released those documents for reasons I can't explain.

Who is asking YOU to explain it?  Did you ask or investigate why they chose not to run with it?  Are you connected with USA Today editorial in any way?

Facebook wouldn’t be invented for three more months. Twitter didn’t come for three more years. The word “viral” was still only being used to describe the spread of infectious diseases.


 
Does this guy think the concept of stories being passed online was only created with twitter?  
 
Less than 24 hours later, a source who claimed to see my article on the racial double standard, sent me a 74-page court document from Polk County court in Florida. Sitting in the San Francisco airport, waiting for a flight home, I opened the PDF, began reading, and felt like I had stumbled on to state secrets. I literally moved to where nobody could see my computer screen.
 
Simply embarrassing all around here.  
 
Dr. Jamie Naughright was as an absolute force of nature in the University of Tennessee's sports program.
 
Author makes this determination.... how?  This writing is hack and too conversational anyway.
 
Manning allegedly then proceeded to scoot down the training table while Naughright examined his foot.
 
This is probably the first time in recorded history that in a serious paragraph about a sexual assault "scoot" has been used as a verb.
 
And now this, from the article:
 
When Rollo learned of the complaint, he allegedly concocted a story that Manning actually pulled down his pants to moon another student-athlete, Malcolm Saxon, who was nearby. According to Rollo, after mooning the student, Naughright just happened to move her head right into Manning's pelvic region. Rollo acknowledged under oath that he was the first person to use the word “mooning.”

One person, though, could settle all of this: Malcolm Saxon.

And, in fact, he did settle it. In an affidavit, Saxon refuted Manning's story and made it clear that Manning never mooned him. In a letter to Manning, Saxon, who stated that he lost his eligibility as a student-athlete over it, practically begged him to come forward and tell the truth (see page 20)

However, this is from Malcom Saxon's own biography at his current job at a camp:
 
Malcolm Saxon, of Jackson, MS, is our Junior Camp Program Director. Malcolm graduated from the University of Tennessee in Knoxville in 1997. While in college, Malcolm was a member of the cross country/track and field teams and was very active with the RUF ministry. !
So I'll confess to not being intimately acquainted with the redshirt process, but Rollo is identified in this piece as an assistant athletic trainer.   Apparently,(in the legal docs cited) Rollo, in 1996, his junior year, denied Saxon's redshirt request as retribution.  I suppose this could have been a medical redshirt, but thats not clarified or identified.  Rollo is not identified as a head athletic trainer, and its said that Saxon spoke to Football HC Phil Fullmer, but he lists in his own bio that he was on the track and field team.  Am I the only one thats having trouble finding a flow chart here?  Was he also on the team?  Did he and Manning have a relationship apart from sharing a training room apparently (which is unlikely given the huge support centers for Division 1 powerhouse programs UNLESS Saxon was on the team).  None of this makes sense and his writing does nothing to help clarify things.  Quite the contrary.

Instead, the school asked Naughright to leave. Having poured her heart and soul out to the University of Tennessee for nearly 10 years, she agreed, as a part of a settlement agreement, to part ways.

Once again, how does he know this?  Did he speak to anyone?  

In 1998, she served as the head athletic trainer for the U.S. women's track and field program in Beijing. 

What?  What the hell is this?  A womens track and field program in Beijing?

Yet, in 2001, after moving on and revitalizing her career, everything came crashing down again. Now a quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts, and more famous than ever, Manning violated the confidentiality agreement in a way that could not be undone. It has scarred Naughright like a scarlet letter to this very day

Just shamefully hack.  

Manning and his father, Archie, had written a book called "The Mannings" 

There is no book by that name listed on Amazon.  There IS a book called Manning but who needs details when copying and pasting.

 perhaps wanting to put their stamp on the incident in Knoxville before it ever reached the public, they threw Naughright under bus.

So the crux of this piece is built on the authors choice of "perhaps".  Presupposing motivation, not seeking comment, NOR EVEN QUOTING FROM THEIR OWN WORDS IN A CUT AND PASTE HAPPY PIECE.

I can't even be bothered to go on.  This guy just sucks at writing and PERHAPS got his job based on the number of followers he has.  

I feel dirty even defending Peyton, and I don't doubt a more capable writer might, MIGHT be able to make more of this.  But he did this when he was 19.  He is 39.  He has been a public figure subsequently for 20 years since this incident occurred.  No other writer, presumably, has been able to gain traction with it.  But some this racially murky bozo has decided depositions constitute investigative journalism now.  






 
fantasycurse42 said:
He's def a cheapskate... I read an article about him buying a practice squad WR a custom suit for the Super Bowl. The practice squad receiver met Mannig multiple times a week to run routes for him all season long. Manning is worth 100's of millions, am I supposed to think that this guy is wonderful for spending $2500 for a guy who put in about 250 hours of work for him?

Thats the equivalent of a low paid employee at my company helping me with a year long project that costs him 5 hours a week, at the end of the year I toss him a quarter.
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I'd say there's some room between wonderful guy and cheapskate in this situation.

 
One pathetic thing about this is that some people are pushing this because they are butthurt about the criticism Cam is receiving.

its crazy, because I don't know why anybody gives a #### that Cam was pissed at all of the inane questions from the press after the worst day of his professional career.  There's something paternalistic and sick in the idea that he has to face their stupidity with a smile given the circumstances.   The sports press seems like a bunch wannabes who relish the opportunity to rub it in people's faces....

 
Rove! said:
One pathetic thing about this is that some people are pushing this because they are butthurt about the criticism Cam is receiving.

its crazy, because I don't know why anybody gives a #### that Cam was pissed at all of the inane questions from the press after the worst day of his professional career.  There's something paternalistic and sick in the idea that he has to face their stupidity with a smile given the circumstances.   The sports press seems like a bunch wannabes who relish the opportunity to rub it in people's faces....
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Couldn't agree more, TY.

 
squistion said:
Yes. If everybody already knew about it, as has been claimed, no one would be talking about it here or anywhere else and if a thread had been started, it would have been quickly labeled a Honda and old news and would long ago dropped off the first page of this forum.
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In my opinion just because people are talking about it doesn't make it news.  Like I said it is more sensationalist click-bait than breaking/actionable news.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
He's def a cheapskate... I read an article about him buying a practice squad WR a custom suit for the Super Bowl. The practice squad receiver met Mannig multiple times a week to run routes for him all season long. Manning is worth 100's of millions, am I supposed to think that this guy is wonderful for spending $2500 for a guy who put in about 250 hours of work for him?

Thats the equivalent of a low paid employee at my company helping me with a year long project that costs him 5 hours a week, at the end of the year I toss him a quarter.
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Another way to look at this is that Manning shared his time with a practice squad player to improve that player's skill set in spite of having several aches and pains himself.  He followed that up by helping that player financially and sartorially to be able to enjoy the Super Bowl festivities.  Peyton does not share his tailor with just anybody, I mean really.

 
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Anthony Borbely said:
Just want to clarify that your post that I quoted was one of the first 5 or so posts in this thread so at the time I posted I didn't see anyone calling you anything or comparing you to anything. Your post blaming the liberal/left for this was before any negative comments directed at you.
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We have been having a lovely time here avoiding facts for supposition and speculation.  why do you want to come in here and ruin that by citing verifiable details?

 
Joe T said:
Can we please get back on topic?

What does "transblack" mean?  Where do I find a definition for this, urban dictionary?
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The color of Burt Reynolds Trans Am in Smokey and the Bandit. 

Don't take that to the bank Brochacho, its just a guess.

 
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To me the most interesting aspect of all these stories is Peyton banging a ton of tail on the side and apparently Ashley is doing her thing also.  The reports are that Ashley is banging other athletes so in some ways if this is all true it helps Peyton with the HGH situation.  Perhaps Ashley was getting the HGH for one of her side pieces.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Either you didn't bother to read my reply to AB or you're a troll. Projecting is not a pass to suddenly give ultimatums friendo.  
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WTF are you talking about?  He was mocking your ridiculous thread about being sexual harassed.  Your reply doesn't give any indication that you had any clue.  

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
Here is a pic of one of Peyton's main side pieces from a few years back

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Is she planning an invasion of Germany?

 
AAABatteries said:
WTF are you talking about?  He was mocking your ridiculous thread about being sexual harassed.  Your reply doesn't give any indication that you had any clue.  
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Then you don't know AB and I very well or are not aware that the play fights in post are pretty much that. AB is good peeps. We both like to yank the others chain in fun much like LD, OPP, Servo, GM, Whatever Truck's alias is this week...it's fine if you think I'm really dumber than a box of rocks, maybe one day I'll surprise you.  

 
So let me get this straight. The original complaint made by this woman in 1996 was that he exposed himself... she was “working on (his) foot” when she “heard laughter and looked up to see his exposed rear end.” -- Manning admitted to this. There was a settlement.

Then, in 2003, after Manning has been in the NFL for 7 year a new claim is made that he "set his rectum and genitals on her head." This was never mentioned previously. 

This setting of his rectum and genitals on her head is part of a 74-page court document filed by Jamie Naughright's attorney in 2003 and now it's being reported as the gospel by a fake black guy?

Am I missing anything?

 
sublimeone said:
So let me get this straight. The original complaint made by this woman in 1996 was that he exposed himself... she was “working on (his) foot” when she “heard laughter and looked up to see his exposed rear end.” -- Manning admitted to this. There was a settlement.

Then, in 2003, after Manning has been in the NFL for 7 year a new claim is made that he "set his rectum and genitals on her head." This was never mentioned previously. 

This setting of his rectum and genitals on her head is part of a 74-page court document filed by Jamie Naughright's attorney in 2003 and now it's being reported as the gospel by a fake black guy?

Am I missing anything?
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Yes, faux outrage.

 
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