Peyton Manning throwing passes? (1 Viewer)

[Tau837]

From what I understand, his neck is fully healed, all that they have been waiting on is for the strength to return in his triceps and grip.

You understand incorrectly. It's not just a matter of "strength to return"; it's also a matter of nerves literally regenerating. link

No, I don't. You posted a link from January, with quotes from Doctors WHO HAVE NEVER EVEN MET Manning. What you posted is rumor and speculation. Here's a fact: In February, Peyton Manning's doctors, WHO ACTUALLY WORKED ON HIS CASE, AND HAVE PERSONALLY EVALUATED HIM, said his neck is healed: the fusion has achieved "firm fixation." LINK

So, which is more reliable: two doctors who have been completely involved with Manning's injury and recovery, or a doctor who has never even looked at Manning's neck, or his medical file? Hmmm..tough one.

You guys are talking about two different things. Manning needs two things to happen to return to full health. He needs his neck fusion to be fully healed, which is what Bayhawks is referring to, and he needs the relevant nerves to fully regenerate, which is what Sea Duck is referring to.I agree with Bayhawks, there have been numerous reports that his neck is fully healed. I think that was true before the end of last season.

But there have been no reports that say the nerves are fully healed/regenerated. And that remains a major issue.

 

[Bayhawks]

From what I understand, his neck is fully healed, all that they have been waiting on is for the strength to return in his triceps and grip.

You understand incorrectly. It's not just a matter of "strength to return"; it's also a matter of nerves literally regenerating. link

No, I don't. You posted a link from January, with quotes from Doctors WHO HAVE NEVER EVEN MET Manning. What you posted is rumor and speculation. Here's a fact: In February, Peyton Manning's doctors, WHO ACTUALLY WORKED ON HIS CASE, AND HAVE PERSONALLY EVALUATED HIM, said his neck is healed: the fusion has achieved "firm fixation." LINK

So, which is more reliable: two doctors who have been completely involved with Manning's injury and recovery, or a doctor who has never even looked at Manning's neck, or his medical file? Hmmm..tough one.

You guys are talking about two different things. Manning needs two things to happen to return to full health. He needs his neck fusion to be fully healed, which is what Bayhawks is referring to, and he needs the relevant nerves to fully regenerate, which is what Sea Duck is referring to.I agree with Bayhawks, there have been numerous reports that his neck is fully healed. I think that was true before the end of last season.

But there have been no reports that say the nerves are fully healed/regenerated. And that remains a major issue.

We aren't actually talking about 2 different things, but (I think), he's misinterpreting what I meant.My original post with regards to Manning being healthy is referring to his neck. It was in response to a post that suggested that "Manning is one hit away from being done for a season." Based on everything that has been reported, by people with ACTUAL information, and not just speculation, Manning's neck is not the issue anymore, it is his nerve regeneration. I have read nothing that would suggest that the nerve regeneration could be damaged by further hits, rather that if they don't heal/regenerate, he wouldn't have the strength necessary to make the throws he used to be able to.

 

[CalBear]

Here's a fact: In February, Peyton Manning's doctors, WHO ACTUALLY WORKED ON HIS CASE, AND HAVE PERSONALLY EVALUATED HIM, said his neck is healed: the fusion has achieved "firm fixation." LINK

Here's another fact: In the general population, about one-third of spinal fusions result in complications in the adjacent vertebrae leading to the necessity of additional fusions. So the fact that the fusion worked doesn't mean that he won't have any problems with it.

 

[Bayhawks]

Here's a fact: In February, Peyton Manning's doctors, WHO ACTUALLY WORKED ON HIS CASE, AND HAVE PERSONALLY EVALUATED HIM, said his neck is healed: the fusion has achieved "firm fixation." LINK

Here's another fact: In the general population, about one-third of spinal fusions result in complications in the adjacent vertebrae leading to the necessity of additional fusions. So the fact that the fusion worked doesn't mean that he won't have any problems with it.

That is a good point. Another fact is that those complications you speak of usually occur many years after the fact. So while it is a fact that Manning has an increased risk of problems in the vertebrae around his fusion, it is also a fact that those aren't an immediate issue. It's also a likelihood that his NFL career won't last more than a few more years, so those complications shouldn't impact his NFL career.It's also a fact that these potential future complications don't mean he is "one hit away from being shut down for a season."

 

[Two Deep]

Are we looking through an inch and a half fence slot?

 

[Tau837]

Here's a fact: In February, Peyton Manning's doctors, WHO ACTUALLY WORKED ON HIS CASE, AND HAVE PERSONALLY EVALUATED HIM, said his neck is healed: the fusion has achieved "firm fixation." LINK

Here's another fact: In the general population, about one-third of spinal fusions result in complications in the adjacent vertebrae leading to the necessity of additional fusions. So the fact that the fusion worked doesn't mean that he won't have any problems with it.

That is a good point. Another fact is that those complications you speak of usually occur many years after the fact. So while it is a fact that Manning has an increased risk of problems in the vertebrae around his fusion, it is also a fact that those aren't an immediate issue. It's also a likelihood that his NFL career won't last more than a few more years, so those complications shouldn't impact his NFL career.It's also a fact that these potential future complications don't mean he is "one hit away from being shut down for a season."

With regard to the bolded, in fairness the general population isn't getting hit with the force of NFL defensive linemen on a regular basis.While Manning's fusion may not put him "one hit away from being shut down," it is equally off base to suggest that he has no increased risk to have medical issues related to his neck/spine during the remainder of his career when compared to other NFL QBs who have not had the same surgeries.

 

[Bayhawks]

Here's a fact: In February, Peyton Manning's doctors, WHO ACTUALLY WORKED ON HIS CASE, AND HAVE PERSONALLY EVALUATED HIM, said his neck is healed: the fusion has achieved "firm fixation." LINK

Here's another fact: In the general population, about one-third of spinal fusions result in complications in the adjacent vertebrae leading to the necessity of additional fusions. So the fact that the fusion worked doesn't mean that he won't have any problems with it.

That is a good point. Another fact is that those complications you speak of usually occur many years after the fact. So while it is a fact that Manning has an increased risk of problems in the vertebrae around his fusion, it is also a fact that those aren't an immediate issue. It's also a likelihood that his NFL career won't last more than a few more years, so those complications shouldn't impact his NFL career.It's also a fact that these potential future complications don't mean he is "one hit away from being shut down for a season."

With regard to the bolded, in fairness the general population isn't getting hit with the force of NFL defensive linemen on a regular basis.While Manning's fusion may not put him "one hit away from being shut down," it is equally off base to suggest that he has no increased risk to have medical issues related to his neck/spine during the remainder of his career when compared to other NFL QBs who have not had the same surgeries.

That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it, but there is no empirical evidence to support that opinion. You may believe (and I may agree with you) that Manning is at more risk than other QBs, but there have been no doctors to support that statement, nor is there any evidence to support it. Therefore, making a statement like he's "one hit away from being shut down," like it was a proven fact, is not based in scientific reality.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

With regard to the bolded, in fairness the general population isn't getting hit with the force of NFL defensive linemen on a regular basis.

While Manning's fusion may not put him "one hit away from being shut down," it is equally off base to suggest that he has no increased risk to have medical issues related to his neck/spine during the remainder of his career when compared to other NFL QBs who have not had the same surgeries.

That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it, but there is no empirical evidence to support that opinion. You may believe (and I may agree with you) that Manning is at more risk than other QBs, but there have been no doctors to support that statement, nor is there any evidence to support it. Therefore, making a statement like he's "one hit away from being shut down," like it was a proven fact, is not based in fact.

 

[footballnerd]

Are we looking through an inch and a half fence slot?

cell phone camera lenses sometimes produce movies like that.Manning would be a perfect risk for the 9ers to take with Smith as a back up. Lets go Jed!

 

[SacramentoBob]

Bill Polian confirmed this was Manning in the video. Manning haters need to take a step back.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Bill Polian confirmed this was Manning in the video. Manning haters need to take a step back.

I was surprised anyone thought it could be anyone else.