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Peyton Manning wins 4th MVP award (1 Viewer)
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The Colts defense this year is better than it has been. But their running game was a joke. With a mid-Tier QB they might win 9 games. I don' think Palmer gets them over 10 though.
He's comic relief. Please, I beg you, dude, make the case that Matt Schaub is the MVP.
treat88
Footballguy
Care to rethink the Palmer comment?
No, Palmer got 10 wins with the Bungles, he can surely do it with the ColtsThe Jets are an elite defense, they can make anyone look badPalmer had a bad day against a good defense for a 58.4 rating. Good thing such indignities never happen to Manning, like say a 65.6 against Denver
You seem so sure of yourself, explain how I'm wrong.I'm dying to hear how it's so specifically tailored to Manning that NO OTHER QB can take advantage of it
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Man In The Box
Footballguy
You don't watch much football, do you?
Manning has complete control of the offense. Manning is in the head of every defensive player out there. Everyone of them is convinced Manning is reading their minds as Manning is calling an audible. Meanwhile, guys like Brady have an armband and are reading plays off it.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Because it is Manning's offense.You need to watch more football and educate yourself a little bit.
You're talking about the play-callingI'm talking about the teamOf course you adjust the play-call to suit to the strengths of your QB, that's no different than the other 31 teams in the league.However, the TEAM itself, there's nothing there that's specific to Manning.Sure, if they had a different QB come in, the OC might actually have to work and call his own plays and change their gameplan, but the same would be true of any other team that had to replace their starting QB.In sum, there's nothing so peculiar about the Colts that would prevent another QB from stepping in and being successful there (provided a suitable time for adjustment)
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It is Manning's offense because Manning is thereIf Palmer was there, it would be Palmer's (and Tom Moore's) offense
Sure the playcalling and gameplanning would be DIFFERENT, but there's no reason it couldn't be SUCCESSFUL
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
Whatever. You really don't have a clue.It is Manning's offense because Manning is thereIf Palmer was there, it would be Palmer's (and Tom Moore's) offense
Sure the playcalling and gameplanning would be DIFFERENT, but there's no reason it couldn't be SUCCESSFUL
For all the handwaving and mock indignation, NO ONE can answer my question.It's a very simple question that should be a piece of cake to answer if it it's half as obvious as you all keep pretending it its.Why could another QB not POSSIBLY succeed with the Colts (given time for the OC to adjust playcalling/gameplanning as appropriate)?The reason no one can answer is because THERE IS NO SUCH REASONThe Colts would be an IDEAL situation for any QB to walk into
If you had one, you could answer my questionBut you can't
cobalt_27
Footballguy
If you can't spell C-A-T, even when someone spots you the C and the A, it's not really worth the time going through the explanation of what to do with the T.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Still Going
higgins
Footballguy
He is a persistent little snot, isn't he?
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Persistence is no substitute for aptitude.
higgins
Footballguy
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I'll quit whenever y'all stop avoiding my questionSince you obviously can't answer it and and can't admit you're wrong, well, it might be a long night
Just man up and admit that another competent QB could get 10 wins with the Colts, that's all I'm saying
Man In The Box
Footballguy
OK, I admit it. Drew Brees would probably win 10 games with the Colts. Now go away.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
Sure. For a season, a competent QB could have secured 10 wins in any one of the last 7 seasons.What I suspect is highly unlikely is that any more than 1 or 2 QBs in this league could even approach 12+ wins in EACH of the last 7 consecutive seasons.
Passer Rating
109.6 Brees
107.2 Favre
104.4 Rivers
103.2 Rodgers
100.5 Roethlisberger
99.9 Manning
Yards/Attempt
8.8 Rivers
8.6 Roethlisberger
8.5 Brees
8.2 Romo
8.2 Schaub
8.2 Rodgers
8.0 McNab
7.9 E Manning
7.9 Favre
7.9 P Manning
ANY/A
8.31 Brees
8.30 Rivers
7.61 Favre
7.54 Romo
7.51 Manning
INT%
1.3 Favre
1.3 Rodgers
1.6 Romo
1.9 Garrard
1.9 Rivers
2.1 Brees
2.2 Orton
2.3 Brady
2.3 McNab
2.4 Bulger
2.4 Flaco
2.4 Roethlisberger
....
....
2.8 Manning
TD%
6.6 Brees
6.2 Favre
5.8 Rivers
5.8 Manning
DVOA
46.1 Rivers
44.1 Brady
41.0 Brees
39.0 Favre
38.1 Manning
There is literally not a single major efficiency stat where Manning leads any of the big 3
109.6 Brees
107.2 Favre
104.4 Rivers
103.2 Rodgers
100.5 Roethlisberger
99.9 Manning
Yards/Attempt
8.8 Rivers
8.6 Roethlisberger
8.5 Brees
8.2 Romo
8.2 Schaub
8.2 Rodgers
8.0 McNab
7.9 E Manning
7.9 Favre
7.9 P Manning
ANY/A
8.31 Brees
8.30 Rivers
7.61 Favre
7.54 Romo
7.51 Manning
INT%
1.3 Favre
1.3 Rodgers
1.6 Romo
1.9 Garrard
1.9 Rivers
2.1 Brees
2.2 Orton
2.3 Brady
2.3 McNab
2.4 Bulger
2.4 Flaco
2.4 Roethlisberger
....
....
2.8 Manning
TD%
6.6 Brees
6.2 Favre
5.8 Rivers
5.8 Manning
DVOA
46.1 Rivers
44.1 Brady
41.0 Brees
39.0 Favre
38.1 Manning
There is literally not a single major efficiency stat where Manning leads any of the big 3
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Again the career vs this year thingIt truly is tiresome to keep beating y'all over your heads with it
cobalt_27
Footballguy
If you're arguing only that he should not be MVP this year, why don't you just stick with that.But, you went well beyond that to state that the Colts could plug in just about anyone off the street and get Manning's type of production. Whether you're referring only to this year or over his career, either way, it's really insane and you need to get a refill on your meds.
using the 'New Passer Rating' from nflstatanalysis.net
Philip Rivers 5.17
Drew Brees 4.72
Tony Romo 3.46
Tom Brady 3.44
Matt Schaub 3.35
Peyton Manning 3.20
Brett Favre 2.93
Woohoo! Manning finally managed to beat one of them!
Too bad he's still in 6th place . . .
Philip Rivers 5.17
Drew Brees 4.72
Tony Romo 3.46
Tom Brady 3.44
Matt Schaub 3.35
Peyton Manning 3.20
Brett Favre 2.93
Woohoo! Manning finally managed to beat one of them!
Too bad he's still in 6th place . . .
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That is all I have been arguing . . .
1. No I did not say anyone off the street would get Manning's type of productionI said they could be successful with the Colts, two very different things2. Such a line of discussion IS directly related to Manning not deserving the MVP THIS year because one of the main arguments seems to be people saying absolutely STUPID stuff like "If you took Manning off the Colts, the Colts would be lucky to win 3 games" or "Manning is all ALL the Colts have, without him they would be NOTHING"That sort of nonsense really irritates me. Sure losing Manning would be devastating, but the Colts are a good team, and they would still be a good team with a different QB. Maybe not a GREAT team, but still good.Let's put it this way, the Colts-Manning+JaMarcus Russell > Lions
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
What you said was...That is all I have been arguing . . .
1. No I did not say anyone off the street would get Manning's type of productionI said they could be successful with the Colts, two very different things2. Such a line of discussion IS directly related to Manning not deserving the MVP THIS year because one of the main arguments seems to be people saying absolutely STUPID stuff like "If you took Manning off the Colts, the Colts would be lucky to win 3 games"That sort of nonsense really irritates me. The Colts are a good team, and they would still be a good team with a different QB. Maybe not a GREAT team, but still good.
Curtis Painter, anyone?
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Lady!!!
If you actually bothered to watch the game, you would know that most of the rest of the 1st string was out tooPut Painter out there with the 1st string, give him a little time to adjust, and yes, I think he could look decent back there
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Awesome. You imagine strangely.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
He was efficient in the games he started and finished. I think he was 14-0.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
While I support Manning's MVP here, I can appreciate the argument for others.What is funny, though, is the irrational incontinence being thrown around by craxie.
Papa Georgio
Footballguy
I am late to the party and didn't read all of this so its probably been said but this award is mostly about the team. Had Manning had the exact stats and his team went 7-9. No way he gets the award.
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He is obviously still very deserving of the award. I don't understand the POV that he is a slam dunk choice at all though.
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He is obviously still very deserving of the award. I don't understand the POV that he is a slam dunk choice at all though.
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I hate to slow you down, because you have been on such a roll in this thread. But this data doesn't disprove the 'Manning makes his receivers' theory.
trader jake
Footballguy
It's already over. Peyton Manning won the MVP award.
If he wants to feel like a winner he can take a page from Jeff Fisher's playbook and wear a Peyton Manning jersey.Chris Johnson's tweet:"Do anybody got Payton's address I need to go get my award"
There have only been a handful of WR (Moss, Rice, TO) who can make a QB look great. As good as Harrison, Wayne, and Clark are, I don't consider them at that level.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I agree...its ok to argue that others could have won.But to completely ignore Manning or say he did not deserve it at all and dismiss it is just downright craxie...I mean crazy.While I support Manning's MVP here, I can appreciate the argument for others.What is funny, though, is the irrational incontinence being thrown around by craxie.
