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Pfizer to release COVID-19 vaccine documentation to public... TODAY (originally 2076) (1 Viewer)

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https://timcast.com/news/fda-wants-55-years-to-release-information-regarding-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine/

The Food and Drug Administration asked a judge to let the agency wait over 5 decades before releasing information about Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine.

The FDA wants until 2076 to fully release the 329,000 pages of documents, according to a filing made as a result of a Freedom of Information Act request. The government wants to release 500 pages per month, citing a need to redact exempt material. 

With this contingency, the entirety of the document would not be available to the public for 55 years.

The FDA has repeatedly stated its commitment to “full transparency.”

 
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It's a good way to be transparent for the people that aren't even born yet to look back on this time and wonder just what the hell happened. 

 
Given the controversies over heavily coerced (i.e. extorted) vaccinations, you'd think President Brandon would step up and force transparency here, so that we could all trust his logic and process more.

 
crazy that 18 hours later there have only been a handful of comments on this.

anyone have any idea what they claim needs to be redacted?

 
ZADO said:
So what kind of responses can we expect in this thread ?

Any predictions?
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well, none.  no posts here since the day after the OP Nov. 18 until today.  there were a whopping 6 before today.   but actually, probably someone will want to fight.

 
moleculo said:
I'm going to assume that this isn't what the twitterer thinks it is.
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I assume he thinks it's "List of Adverse Events of Special Interest." Since that's the title of the appendix. Is there a code to decipher here we're missing?

 
Max Power said:
https://twitter.com/MDinCanada/status/1498742910384279552?s=20&t=zjkWA-nh3YPRnoRBXvX6rg

Benoit MD

@MDinCanada

Pfizer data release. 1223 reported fatalities during 3-month period, out of 42K reports.

CDC will have been aware of some of this data via VAERS. Not clear whose passive reporting system is more complete, Pfizer's or CDC's.

Either way, this drug should have been pulled
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If we're being charitable we can call this a deliberate attempt to confuse people instead of calling it a blatant lie but it amounts to the same thing. 

1223 deaths out of 42k reports. That's terrifying!   People are dropping like flies!

It's obviously not 1223 out of 42k people who received the vaccine died but boy did it get you to post here quickly and share their misinformation.  

You can use your own brain to sanity check it.  By that math you'd expect hundreds of millions dead of the billions of people who were vaccinated.  So you're sharing a scary sounding tweet and saying the vaccine should never have been approved.  

Now that you've posted the pdf you can look for yourself.  It's hard to read though.  I bet that's why they kindly summarized it for you. 

Hopefully this gives you a sense of how blatantly people fabricate anti vax statistics though.  

 
tl;dr -- after administering hundreds of millions of doses there are no new safety concerns.  The vaccine continues to be safe (and exceptionally effective against the worst outcomes from COVID).

 
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bostonfred said:
If we're being charitable we can call this a deliberate attempt to confuse people instead of calling it a blatant lie but it amounts to the same thing. 

1223 deaths out of 42k reports. That's terrifying!   People are dropping like flies!

It's obviously not 1223 out of 42k people who received the vaccine died but boy did it get you to post here quickly and share their misinformation.  

You can use your own brain to sanity check it.  By that math you'd expect hundreds of millions dead of the billions of people who were vaccinated.  So you're sharing a scary sounding tweet and saying the vaccine should never have been approved.  

Now that you've posted the pdf you can look for yourself.  It's hard to read though.  I bet that's why they kindly summarized it for you. 

Hopefully this gives you a sense of how blatantly people fabricate anti vax statistics though.  
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Wtf are you talking about? These are Pfizer's numbers from dec 2020 to Feb 2021. 

 
bostonfred said:
Also, who is this guy that you quoted?  Do you follow him or did someone retweet his tweet?
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Some random guy (my guess is an MD in Canada) who looked at the data and reported what he saw. The same data is available to everyone.

Someone pointed me to the tweet. 

 
Max Power said:
Some random guy (my guess is an MD in Canada) who looked at the data and reported what he saw. The same data is available to everyone.

Someone pointed me to the tweet. 
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He has md in his username and a mile long list of anti vax tweets.   That's the guy who "reported" the "1223 deaths out of 42k reports." number

 
Max Power said:
The document is a Pfizer document. 
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Right.  Yes. The one you posted.  But you also posted a tweet that apparently summarized it.   And it's from some random guy.  You guess he's a doctor.  That's what you posted for people who don't want to read pages and pages of a pdf. 

You posted 1223 deaths out of 42k reports. You confidently copied the label from table A in the pdf to answer what that means. 

But

What percentage of people who take the vaccine die?

Why did Benoit MD, whose credentials you don't know and whose tweet you found because somebody else pointed you to it, imply that 1223 in 42k means that the vaccine shouldn't have been approved?  Is that a lot or a little?  Compared with what?   Compared with other drugs that have been approved?   Compared with actual deaths from covid?  Compared with the number of people who had no adverse effects whatsoever?   

You don't need to answer that tonight, because you don't know the answer tonight, and there's other things to do.  

But that didn't stop you from sharing a tweet that said 1223 out of 42k died

That's a very misleading number... it sounds like one in 40 people who take this vaccine die!

On on the night that there's fully transparent information, why would you post something misleading?  Because someone else posted it.  And you don't know who it is but you'd guess from their Twitter handle that they're probably a doctor.   So you shared it here, along with their summary that the vaccine should never have been approved.  

This is exactly how misinformation spreads.  You weren't trying to do anything wrong, but you amplified the message of someone you don't know after someone else amplified that message to you on the night that real information came out, and you posted the pdf without verifying whether the tweet you posted was correct.  So now the next guy reads it and thinks ok that's obviously correct i don't need to read the pdf I'll just share the tweet too.  

Is it a doctor?  A Russian bot?  Some random anti vaxxer?  Who knows.  You agreed with the message so you amplified it without understanding it or knowing where it came from while you literally had the actual data in your hands and didn't read it to verify it. 

That's happening all the time. It's really dangerous. 

I understand that you didn't have bad intent when you shared it but I hope this illustrates that even you can get caught up in it if you're not careful.  And tonight, you weren't careful.  Not picking on you individually but seriously, I hope we all can learn from this.  

 
bostonfred said:
Right.  Yes. The one you posted.  But you also posted a tweet that apparently summarized it.   And it's from some random guy.  You guess he's a doctor.  That's what you posted for people who don't want to read pages and pages of a pdf. 

You posted 1223 deaths out of 42k reports. You confidently copied the label from table A in the pdf to answer what that means. 

But

What percentage of people who take the vaccine die?

Why did Benoit MD, whose credentials you don't know and whose tweet you found because somebody else pointed you to it, imply that 1223 in 42k means that the vaccine shouldn't have been approved?  Is that a lot or a little?  Compared with what?   Compared with other drugs that have been approved?   Compared with actual deaths from covid?  Compared with the number of people who had no adverse effects whatsoever?   

You don't need to answer that tonight, because you don't know the answer tonight, and there's other things to do.  

But that didn't stop you from sharing a tweet that said 1223 out of 42k died

That's a very misleading number... it sounds like one in 40 people who take this vaccine die!

On on the night that there's fully transparent information, why would you post something misleading?  Because someone else posted it.  And you don't know who it is but you'd guess from their Twitter handle that they're probably a doctor.   So you shared it here, along with their summary that the vaccine should never have been approved.  

This is exactly how misinformation spreads.  You weren't trying to do anything wrong, but you amplified the message of someone you don't know after someone else amplified that message to you on the night that real information came out, and you posted the pdf without verifying whether the tweet you posted was correct.  So now the next guy reads it and thinks ok that's obviously correct i don't need to read the pdf I'll just share the tweet too.  

Is it a doctor?  A Russian bot?  Some random anti vaxxer?  Who knows.  You agreed with the message so you amplified it without understanding it or knowing where it came from while you literally had the actual data in your hands and didn't read it to verify it. 

That's happening all the time. It's really dangerous. 

I understand that you didn't have bad intent when you shared it but I hope this illustrates that even you can get caught up in it if you're not careful.  And tonight, you weren't careful.  Not picking on you individually but seriously, I hope we all can learn from this.  
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I think you need to take a breath. Its ok. I posted nothing misleading. It's not ideal numbers and I think they have upset you.

The twitter post did claim the drug should be pulled. That was his opinion. From my understanding drugs have been pulled for less.

This is all Pfizer's own data, so it's not misinformation. You can justify it or defend it however you see fit, but the data is the data.

In 3 months of people using the product 42k AE reports were taken and 1223 outcomes were fatal. It's fine if you think its no big deal, but those are the facts here.

 
Max Power said:
In 3 months of people using the product 42k AE reports were taken and 1223 outcomes were fatal. It's fine if you think its no big deal, but those are the facts here.
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To be fair though - reading through pages 5-6 which proceed this chart - it isn’t saying that there were 42k incidents as a result of the vaccine or that 1,223 deaths were the result of the vaccine. 

 
Max Power said:
I think you need to take a breath. Its ok. I posted nothing misleading.
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Yes it's deliberately misleading but technically true. That's how plausible deniability works 

That's what I'm trying to explain here. It's exactly how misinformation gets spread.  I gave you the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't intentional but apparently you stand behind it even though you can't explain it.  

 
Witz said:
To be fair though - reading through pages 5-6 which proceed this chart - it isn’t saying that there were 42k incidents as a result of the vaccine or that 1,223 deaths were the result of the vaccine. 
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There were 42k case reports of 158,893 adverse events. All we can really conclude is that 42k people who took a Pfizer vaccine between Dec-Feb reported at least one AE. The deaths aren't 100% the result of taking the vaccine, but they shouldn't be dismissed as nothing either. Sadly Pfizer didn't provide the total number of shots during this period, so we really have all the details.

From the overview....

It is estimated that approximately [REDACTED] doses of BNT162b2 were shipped worldwide from the receipt of the first temporary authorisation for emergency supply on 01 December 2020 through 28 February 2021.

Cumulatively, through 28February2021, there was a total of 42,086 case reports (25,379 medically confirmed and 16,707 non-medically confirmed) containing 158,893 events. Most cases (34,762) were received from United States (13,739), United Kingdom (13,404) Italy (2,578), Germany (1913), France (1506), Portugal(866)and Spain (756); the remaining 7,324 were distributed among 56 other countries.
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bostonfred said:
Yes it's deliberately misleading but technically true. That's how plausible deniability works 

That's what I'm trying to explain here. It's exactly how misinformation gets spread.  I gave you the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't intentional but apparently you stand behind it even though you can't explain it.  
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What can't I explain? 

Something technically true but presented in a truncated way is misinformation? I again don't agree with that. 

I posted the full report for any and all to review the data. 

 
such garbage.  670 million people flew on planes in 2021.  If 1% of them died within 1 year of flying, that must be proof that flying on planes causes death. 

 
Max Power said:
The denominator is unknown for this group. It's more accurate to say 2% of the reported AE cases in the group died. 
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Sure.  But how many of those 1223 died because of car accidents, diabetes, heart disease, jealous partners, suicides, heartbreak over their team losing to the Rams this year (😉)etc etc etc.  The list of questions regarding these numbers far outnumber the list of answers. 

 
dkp993 said:
Sure.  But how many of those 1223 died because of car accidents, diabetes, heart disease, jealous partners, suicides, heartbreak over their team losing to the Rams this year (😉)etc etc etc.  The list of questions regarding these numbers far outnumber the list of answers. 
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These guys are really good at pointing out the difference between FROM vs. WITH covid deaths, but somehow forget that distinction when it comes to vaccines. Wonder why?

As others have pointed out, these numbers are useless without a denominator. But for the record,  7700 people die each day in the US, on average.

 
Max Power said:
The denominator is unknown for this group. It's more accurate to say 2% of the reported AE cases in the group died. 
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lol, died from what?  You know very well the tweet you posted, and you, are trying to imply these folks died of the vaccine.  But you also thought Syndey Powel would produce evidence of election fraud so it's not like you have a great track record when it comes to disinformation.

And we don't know how many the vaccine saved?  We DO know that 80%+ of the folks who have died, from Covid, since the vaccines have been widely available have been unvaccinated.  And that's with the most at risk from Covid largely receiving the vaccine and the most "not at risk" not getting the vaccine.

It's astounding to me how you and others continue to try to push the idea that the vaccines are dangerous.  We can of course discuss whether or not someone should get the vaccine or booster, but to claim the vaccine is dangerous or that the vaccine hasn't saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions of of lives, is simply lying at this point.

 
Terminalxylem said:
These guys are really good at pointing out the difference between FROM vs. WITH covid deaths, but somehow forget that distinction when it comes to vaccines. Wonder why?

As others have pointed out, these numbers are useless without a denominator. But for the record,  7700 people die each day in the US, on average.
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I'd love to see the breakdown of From vs With covid deaths.  As far as I know the CDC has yet to separate the two.  I think distinguishing between the two brings the death rate down quite a bit. 

I totally understand the 1223 didn't all necessarily die from the vaccine alone.  But we do know that 1223 people who took a Pfizer product in a three month period died.  Should that not give someone pause?  Is this normal? It would be great to know what the total number of doses was, but for some dang reason Pfizer felt like that shouldn't be public information.  It only adds more speculation and isn't very transparent.

I have a tough time coming up with a reason they would censor that number.  Any ideas? 

 
Insein said:
I assume he thinks it's "List of Adverse Events of Special Interest." Since that's the title of the appendix. Is there a code to decipher here we're missing?
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Yet in the comments there is a claim its the list of things they were looking for...not what they had found?

Seems best to hold off and find credible people reporting in its entirety vs portions like this without real explanation.  (not pointing this at just you...but all of us)

 
Max Power said:
So there weren't 1223 fatal cases in the pfizer report? 
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You’re doing exactly what AAA described. Information gets put out, some random person on the internet interprets it in a completely biased way. You then take it as being the absolute truth and repeat it as such.

What happens next? Someone who is an expert in the field and knows how to interpret the information explains that it’s nothing like what is being stated by the random person on the internet. You either back off the claim or continue that it’s a conspiracy to hide the truth.

My take is that I don’t know how to interpret the data and I’m not going to pretend that I can. I can say that if this is the bombshell that you believe it to be, it didn’t play out that way when given to the general public. No one is hiding millions of vaccine deaths. There are no vaccine injury wards at hospitals.

 
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