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Phillip Rivers Owners (1 Viewer)
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i'm sitting rivers and starting big ben against cleveland.
In general, I'll be starting him in leagues where he's my QB1 and sitting him in leagues where he's my QB2. I'll start McNabb or Manning over him, for example, but I'll start Rivers over Jeff Garcia. I guess that's kind of obvious, but those are examples from my own teams. I don't have any close calls involving Rivers.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I'd sit him if you've got a decent QB with a good matchup. Bears are rough, especially if you're not getting lots of garbage points against them (I doubt SD will be losing by 3 TDs in the 4th quarter).
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
I'm starting him over Cutler and Losman.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
My Back up is T Jackson.... guess I'm playing Rivers
Nookular Power
Footballguy
I'm starting Rex vs. SD over Rivers vs. Chicago. That's right, I said Rex. Let the jokes begin...I'll be back Monday to take it like a man, or make sure you all know I was right.
TheAristocrat
Footballguy
Starting McNabb over Rivers. And I will do so next week as well.
Week 1
Phil @ Green Bay
San Diego vs Chicago
Week 2
Phil vs Wash
San Diego vs New England
Obviously, this isn't to say that Rivers isn't worth starting. I just like my match-ups better with McNabb these first two weeks. After that, Rivers sees far better match-ups and I will probably be starting him 4-5 weeks in a row.
Week 1
Phil @ Green Bay
San Diego vs Chicago
Week 2
Phil vs Wash
San Diego vs New England
Obviously, this isn't to say that Rivers isn't worth starting. I just like my match-ups better with McNabb these first two weeks. After that, Rivers sees far better match-ups and I will probably be starting him 4-5 weeks in a row.
TheAristocrat
Footballguy
By a PowerBall ticket, too. Good luck!
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Philip Rivers has a TERRIBLE schedule..... I tried to tell everyone....
I hope you have other options - seriously.
Good luck.
I hope you have other options - seriously.
Good luck.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
I have benched Rivers in the 2 leagues I'm playing. I am starting VY in place of him in both leagues.
I 'waited' on QB in my 2 $ leagues, I don't think this tandem will hurt me, yet week 1.....
I 'waited' on QB in my 2 $ leagues, I don't think this tandem will hurt me, yet week 1.....
SYMPHONY X
Footballguy
Starting Leinart in place of Rivers this week...although I do think the Chargers could utterly destroy the Bears this week. Something to the tune of Chargers 31, Bears 13. Will it be LT running em in, or Rivers throwing for 2-3 TD's? I am letting Leinart take the guess work out of it.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Romo vs Big Ben in one league
Rivers vs Big Ben in another
Right now I have Rivers starting but I may sub him.
Rivers vs Big Ben in another
Right now I have Rivers starting but I may sub him.
Skinsfansince72
Footballguy
Rivers and Mcnabb aren't in the same class of fantasy qb's. Why would you be playing the matchups with those two? If you have Mcnabb, you start him every week over Rivers all the time.
az_prof
Footballguy
I am starting him, but I have Harrington as my backup in that league. If I had McNabb or Big Ben I would sit him. On the other hand, I don't put too much stock in how defenses did last year, which is why I don't worry about SOS until three or four weeks have been played THIS year; then I look at strength of schedule.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Peyton - Rivers
Campbell - Rivers
Kitna - Rivers
Big Ben - Rivers
I like Rivers this year, despite a tough schedule. Without Marty's conservative offense, and LT being the focus of opposing D's, Rivers should have pretty good year, in now his second full season. However, I see a low scoring game in SD this week, and my only close call was Kitna vs. Rivers, but as much hype as Oakland's pass D gets, they are not nearly as good as the Bears.
Sidenote: Chargers/Bears under 44 is a gimmie this week, Chargers win 16-10.
Campbell - Rivers
Kitna - Rivers
Big Ben - Rivers
I like Rivers this year, despite a tough schedule. Without Marty's conservative offense, and LT being the focus of opposing D's, Rivers should have pretty good year, in now his second full season. However, I see a low scoring game in SD this week, and my only close call was Kitna vs. Rivers, but as much hype as Oakland's pass D gets, they are not nearly as good as the Bears.
Sidenote: Chargers/Bears under 44 is a gimmie this week, Chargers win 16-10.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I personally had Rivers ranked 2 spots ahead of Mcnabb during my drafts this year. I most certainly think they are close enough to play matchups with.
I was aware of this, but what can you do really? In certain drafts you almost have to pick him if he drops to you.I figured the LT factor (attention he draws + redzone opportunities) would offset the difficult schedule at least somewhat.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
It may not be as obvious as you think. Check out Rivers vs McNabb in the experts rankings.... then compare those rankings to QB cheetsheet for week #1. Very interesting imo. Not saying I agree with it, I just found it interesting. So then I thought "Well, maybe Dodds just loves Rivers and/or hates McNabb so I look at his season projections on both. Still don't get it.Can you make heads or tales of it MT???? What's your best guess to explain the difference?
I've got the same two QB's but I've got PR in my lineup. Ben hasn't had much success against Cleveland in the past so I figure it's a wash but I like River's chances better.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Chargers havent been held under 20 at home in 3 years, just something to think about.
Skinsfansince72
Footballguy
Out of curiosity, what scoring system does your league use?
Skinsfansince72
Footballguy
Regardless of love for one player and/or hate for another, those rankings don't match the reality of what's happened on the field during Rivers's short career. I'm not going to say that he can't be better, only that I wouldn't bet on it until it happens at least once(say, for a year).
Tau837
Footballguy
Are you still spouting this stuff?
Rivers had the 10th hardest QB schedule last year. See Chase's rearview QB article for details. Then check out Clayton Gray's SOS, which shows Rivers' schedule as marginally (2.3%) easier this season.C'mon, you're just throwing softballs. I know you have better stuff. I mean, you aren't ranking him as QB21 just based on this, right? 
Meanwhile, I predict Rivers will have a good performance this week.Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Different systems, different leagues. After looking back, it appears i had Rivers only one spot ahead of Mcnabb, i moved Big Ben ahead of Rivers towards the end. For the record, i had Mcnabb ranked 8.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
While i didnt know this info specifically, i still stick by my prediction. I do have them scoring four times, but i think the Bears play good enough bend dont break Defense to keep the score close. The Grossman factor scares me a bit in my prediction, he could easily give the Chargers 21 points himself, but i dont see any way the Bears score more than 10, so the under 44 is a LOCK!!!!
Skinsfansince72
Footballguy
Interesting.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
FWIW, Rivers is projected by me as well to have the hardest schedule this year.http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2007/07stuart_1qbbc.phpAre you still spouting this stuff?
C'mon, you're just throwing softballs. I know you have better stuff. I mean, you aren't ranking him as QB21 just based on this, right?
Meanwhile, I predict Rivers will have a good performance this week.
And it's not really close. He's easily got the hardest schedule. The toughest six teams for QBs to face (according to my projections) are Jacksonville, Oakland, New England, Chicago, Denver and Baltimore. Rivers faces those teams EIGHT times this year. That's ridiculously tough. I expect Rivers to be average at best in most of those games.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
JP Losman?FWIW, Rivers is projected by me as well to have the hardest schedule this year.http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2007/07stuart_1qbbc.phpAre you still spouting this stuff?
C'mon, you're just throwing softballs. I know you have better stuff. I mean, you aren't ranking him as QB21 just based on this, right?
Meanwhile, I predict Rivers will have a good performance this week.
And it's not really close. He's easily got the hardest schedule. The toughest six teams for QBs to face (according to my projections) are Jacksonville, Oakland, New England, Chicago, Denver and Baltimore. Rivers faces those teams EIGHT times this year. That's ridiculously tough. I expect Rivers to be average at best in most of those games.
Pittsburgh United
Footballguy
I had thought of him as unsittable, but now I'm wondering. My other option is Schaub against the shoddy KC D.
Great, one more fantasy headache.......
Great, one more fantasy headache.......
Ditto for me. I'm really thinking that Big Ben has a chance at a very big year this year and I might wind up starting him more than I intended to on draft day.
Watching NFLTA last night during 4 downs they asked who will be the MVP this year and Jamie Dukes responded...Phillip Rivers!!!
I'm not going that far but I won't be sitting him anytime soon. I might even start him during his bye, mostly because my backup is Gross-man.
Chicago D is tuff, but Rivers has the 2 best safety valves in the league: Gates+LT2.
Start Him!
I'm not going that far but I won't be sitting him anytime soon. I might even start him during his bye, mostly because my backup is Gross-man.
Chicago D is tuff, but Rivers has the 2 best safety valves in the league: Gates+LT2.
Start Him!
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
No hesitations here............goin' with Rivers. 
Bender
Footballguy
I used my top picks to build depth, and drafted both Rivers and Leinart later in the draft. If you go down the schedule, you can tenatively find a great matchup for each almost every week.
This is my pre-season plan for Weeks 1-16...obviously performance, and how opposing teams do in reality can/will alter it as the season progresses.
-Leinart vs. San Francisco
-Leinart vs. Seattle
-Rivers vs. Green Bay
-Rivers vs. Kansas City
-Leinart vs. St. Louis
-Rivers vs. Oakland
-Leinart vs. Washington
-Rivers vs. Houston
-Rivers vs. Minnesota
-Leinart vs. Detroit (Rivers plays Indy, so both are good matchups)
-Leinart vs. Cincinnati
-Leinart vs. San Francisco
-Leinart vs. Cleveland (Rivers plays Kansas City, so both are good)
-Rivers vs. Tennessee
-Rivers vs. Detroit (Leinart plays New Orleans, so both are good)
-Leinart vs. Atlanta
Pretty sweet matchups each week, save maybe one or two.
This is my pre-season plan for Weeks 1-16...obviously performance, and how opposing teams do in reality can/will alter it as the season progresses.
-Leinart vs. San Francisco
-Leinart vs. Seattle
-Rivers vs. Green Bay
-Rivers vs. Kansas City
-Leinart vs. St. Louis
-Rivers vs. Oakland
-Leinart vs. Washington
-Rivers vs. Houston
-Rivers vs. Minnesota
-Leinart vs. Detroit (Rivers plays Indy, so both are good matchups)
-Leinart vs. Cincinnati
-Leinart vs. San Francisco
-Leinart vs. Cleveland (Rivers plays Kansas City, so both are good)
-Rivers vs. Tennessee
-Rivers vs. Detroit (Leinart plays New Orleans, so both are good)
-Leinart vs. Atlanta
Pretty sweet matchups each week, save maybe one or two.
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Wu-banger
Footballguy
Did the same thing .. but got Matt Hasselbeck instead ov er Leinart.
TheAristocrat
Footballguy
I had McNabb ranked 2 spots higher (at QB6) than Rivers, but think that is statistically close enough to play the match-ups. Especially if McNabb isn't as mobile in the first few games or all season.
I've got both as well and I'm going with Leinart. I just think it's a better matchup, but you never know......
Lord Lucan
Footballguy
This is interesting, but I don't think it's cut and dry that it's a negative for Rivers. The last thing his owners want is blow-out after blow-out in which all they see is Rivers handing off to LT and Turner throughout the 2nd half.Last year Rivers had 273 passing attempts in the first half compared with 219 in the 2nd half. That's probably not that unusual, but more interestingly, when the Chargers were in front, he threw just 8 TDs (from 217 passes, 4 ints) whereas when they were behind he threw 10 TDs from just 158 attempts with only 2 ints.FWIW, Rivers is projected by me as well to have the hardest schedule this year.http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2007/07stuart_1qbbc.phpAre you still spouting this stuff?Rivers had the 10th hardest QB schedule last year. See Chase's rearview QB article for details. Then check out Clayton Gray's SOS, which shows Rivers' schedule as marginally (2.3%) easier this season.
C'mon, you're just throwing softballs. I know you have better stuff. I mean, you aren't ranking him as QB21 just based on this, right?
Meanwhile, I predict Rivers will have a good performance this week.
And it's not really close. He's easily got the hardest schedule. The toughest six teams for QBs to face (according to my projections) are Jacksonville, Oakland, New England, Chicago, Denver and Baltimore. Rivers faces those teams EIGHT times this year. That's ridiculously tough. I expect Rivers to be average at best in most of those games.
I think San Diego's offense is good enough and varied enough that they will be able to move the ball on good defenses and I think Rivers might actually have some of his better fantasy days against some of the Ds you mention, especially as several of them are renowned against the run.
kbreaker
Footballguy
I'm going with Rivers over Cutler as well.
Resident A
Footballguy
I also have Schaub as my other option. While I like his chances vs KC, he has never started a game for the Texans. I just can't do it in Week 1 w/o seeing him in a meaningful game first.I had thought of him as unsittable, but now I'm wondering. My other option is Schaub against the shoddy KC D.
Great, one more fantasy headache.......
I'm sticking w/ Rivers, expecting the Bears to focus 90% on LT2, and leave passing lanes wide open. I don't see a lot of passing yards, but 2 TDs is what I expect
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twitch
Footballguy
I think Rivers is a start every week kind of QB. Unless you were able to draft him as Brees, Bulger or Palmer's backup or someone of that quality, which isnt likely, then Id think Rivers would be the QB1 on most fantasy teams he's on this year. He's leading a top 5 O...tough to bench a Q on such a good offense regardless of the matchup. San Diego is at home against a quality opponent and Rivers will be looking to shine. Dont outthink yourself. If youve got Rivers, give him the nod.
JerseyEagles
Footballguy
We're a start 2 QB league, so going w/ both Rivers and Vince this week. The only other option is Losman, but who knows how he'll end up this week. There are just too many weapons on the SD offense to consider sitting him week 1 when everyone's healthy, no matter how 
the bears D looks.
The only other option is Losman, but who knows how he'll end up this week. There are just too many weapons on the SD offense to consider sitting him week 1 when everyone's healthy, no matter how the bears D looks.
Bender
Footballguy
The only way it doesn't work out is if Leinart just flat out takes some steps backwards in his development this season. Because, on paper, it's hard to ignore that matchup with the 49ers, considering the weapons he has. Especially with Rivers vs. Chicago, which is just way too tough to get a handle on, especially Week 1.Dodge said:
MrJimiT
Footballguy
In my league, we use a superflex spot where the flex can be a QB. Rivers is my QB1 and Big Ben is my QB2. I have decided to sit Rivers and go with a 3 RB trio of Westbrook, Henry & Jordan. So basically I was deciding between Lamont Jordan and Rivers this week. The Bears D is what decided for me to try the 3 RB approach and play Big Ben against Cleveland. Part of my thinking happened this way because I also have the Bears D. While it may be stupid, I don't like to root for my guys while they are playing against my starting defense. Some times it cannot be helped but this time I opted for other options. So to keep in line with the other responses, I chose Big Ben over Rivers for this week (even though normally I'll be playing them both).
Bender
Footballguy
If it's a league where you get negative points for fumbles and interceptions, then it's a no-brainer. Eli is atrocious.
