Pick Value Calculator - Help memorizing it (1 Viewer)

[Rounders]

Here's the deal, I want to go my live draft to wheel and deal and move around the draft to make my team better. In the past 11 years in my league, there has been 2 draft day trades involving picks. Many of the owners like to stay put and draft out of their slot.

I see this as an opportunity to take advantage of their lazy ways, with the Pick Value Calculator. Here's the rub, this years draft I will not be able to use my laptop (yes, no DD for me either), so it got me thinking are their any principles or rules involved with the Pick Value Calculator that I can memorize, so in the middle of my draft, I can use that knowledge to shout out a trade offer that sounds great, but in reality is better for me.

Do you guys have any strategy for using it?

TIA

 

[P Boy]

Not to sound condescending, but why not just use your own sense of value/fairness? I'll bet unless you are a neophyte - which I know that you aren't - that you'll know what is and what isn't a good deal without ever having to use some kind of calculator to confirm your decisions.

 

[onionsack]

I hope Mr. Dodds chimes in here at some point, because I'm curious about the logic that went into the calculator. I was holding the 1.02 pick in one league, and wanted to find out what it would take to move up to 1.01. According to the draft pick calculator, I would be giving up too much if I offered my 1.02 and a late tenth round pick (#130 overall). Good luck finding a 1.01 holder who would accept the #130 pick as adequate compensation to move down. My Math is sucky in the extreme, and maybe I'm using it wrong, but it seems like the calculator in general vastly undervalues high picks.

 

[code]

There are at least 2 other threads floating around here about creating a pick value chart...something you could print and bring to the draft...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=236712

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=239688

 

[wannabee]

Here's the deal, I want to go my live draft to wheel and deal and move around the draft to make my team better. In the past 11 years in my league, there has been 2 draft day trades involving picks. Many of the owners like to stay put and draft out of their slot.

I see this as an opportunity to take advantage of their lazy ways, with the Pick Value Calculator. Here's the rub, this years draft I will not be able to use my laptop (yes, no DD for me either), so it got me thinking are their any principles or rules involved with the Pick Value Calculator that I can memorize, so in the middle of my draft, I can use that knowledge to shout out a trade offer that sounds great, but in reality is better for me.

Do you guys have any strategy for using it?

TIA

I agree with Pony. I think we all know what is fair for the most part. But, here is one strategy:Go to nfl.com and print off the pick value chart that the NFL uses. The nfl chart differs quite a bit that one (fbg) that is for fantasy .... because of many factors. I would think that you could play around a bit with the fbg calculator (but remember that most see it as best for redraft) and write down three-four numeric values per round. You can extrapolate the difference on the fly.

I would notice how the fbg and nfl charts differ and use that as you advantage. For example, I could see someone telling a fellow owner that "it is a fair deal. Look at this nfl draft pick chart".

I think you might run into problems if you call it the chart the Vikings used when they acquired Hershell Walker.

Just a thought.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Here's the deal, I want to go my live draft to wheel and deal and move around the draft to make my team better. In the past 11 years in my league, there has been 2 draft day trades involving picks. Many of the owners like to stay put and draft out of their slot.

I see this as an opportunity to take advantage of their lazy ways, with the Pick Value Calculator. Here's the rub, this years draft I will not be able to use my laptop (yes, no DD for me either), so it got me thinking are their any principles or rules involved with the Pick Value Calculator that I can memorize, so in the middle of my draft, I can use that knowledge to shout out a trade offer that sounds great, but in reality is better for me.

Do you guys have any strategy for using it?

TIA

How many rounds is your draft?Just trying to formulate a pattern for you.

 

[Rounders]

Here's the deal,  I want to go my live draft to wheel and deal and move around the draft to make my team better.  In the past 11 years in my league, there has been 2 draft day trades involving picks.  Many of the owners like to stay put and draft out of their slot. 

I see this as an opportunity to take advantage of their lazy ways, with the Pick Value Calculator.  Here's the rub, this years draft I will not be able to use my laptop (yes, no DD for me either), so it got me thinking are their any principles or rules involved with the Pick Value Calculator that I can memorize, so in the middle of my draft, I can use that knowledge to shout out a trade offer that sounds great, but in reality is better for me.

Do you guys have any strategy for using it?

TIA

How many rounds is your draft?Just trying to formulate a pattern for you.

10 team, 16 rounds.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

This is tricky, but I'll give it a shot.

16 rounds, 10 teams.

Round Value of 1st Subtract Step Pick in Round for each pick1 1900 552 1375 403 1030 204 820 145 680* 11**6 570* 10**7 470* 9**8 380* 8**9 300* 7**10 230* 6*** Note that starting in Round 5, you just subtract (16-Round Number)*10 to reduce the value by each round. So 5.02 is worth 110 less than 4.02, and 6.02 is 100 points less than 5.02.** The step is easy - just (16 - Round number). This is also ((Total Rounds) - (Round number)). So 5.01 is worth 11 more than 5.02 and 33 more than 5.04.

This pattern will have your values within +/- 3% of the FBG calc for the first 119 picks. (Sorry, 120 is 5% off - hope you can live with that).

So just memorize the first 4 pick values in the chart and the first 4 steps, after that is simple math.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Feel free to check me on this.

 

[wannabee]

This is tricky, but I'll give it a shot.

16 rounds, 10 teams.

Round  Value of 1st   Subtract Step       Pick in Round   for each pick1          1900           552          1375           403          1030           204           820           145           680*          11**6           570*          10**7           470*           9**8           380*           8**9           300*           7**10          230*           6*** Note that starting in Round 5, you just subtract (16-Round Number)*10 to reduce the value by each round. So 5.02 is worth 110 less than 4.02, and 6.02 is 100 points less than 5.02.** The step is easy - just (16 - Round number). This is also ((Total Rounds) - (Round number)). So 5.01 is worth 11 more than 5.02 and 33 more than 5.04.

This pattern will have your values within +/- 3% of the FBG calc for the first 119 picks. (Sorry, 120 is 5% off - hope you can live with that).

So just memorize the first 4 pick values in the chart and the first 4 steps, after that is simple math.

hard working rookie staff member earning his stripes. I like this model. Now, off to memorizing ......

 

[SSOG]

I don't like the concept of pick value calculators. I would much rather just use VBD. I'm going to assume that you have your projections with you at the draft.

If you move up in the draft, how much VBD are you gaining. What's the VBD of the pick you're giving up. Place additional emphasis on picks that will net you a starter and less emphasis on picks dealing with backups, especially second or third backups. There you go, you now know if a trade is favorable for you or not.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I don't like the concept of pick value calculators. I would much rather just use VBD. I'm going to assume that you have your projections with you at the draft.

If you move up in the draft, how much VBD are you gaining. What's the VBD of the pick you're giving up. Place additional emphasis on picks that will net you a starter and less emphasis on picks dealing with backups, especially second or third backups. There you go, you now know if a trade is favorable for you or not.

SSOG,Not really the spot for that argument (VBD vs. calculator), although I'm sure it would be a good one. Rounders asked for some rules of thumb for drafting, so if he can quote the FBG calculator (within 3%) and say that in the middle of the draft, OR can evaluate an offer that is thrown his way against it with a quick calculation, then I accomplished what he needed.

Some owners live and breathe pick calculators. Some don't. As an owner that is your choice, but as a TRADER it pays to know all different languages and methods to sell your deal or evaluate an offer.

 

[SSOG]

I don't like the concept of pick value calculators. I would much rather just use VBD. I'm going to assume that you have your projections with you at the draft.

If you move up in the draft, how much VBD are you gaining. What's the VBD of the pick you're giving up. Place additional emphasis on picks that will net you a starter and less emphasis on picks dealing with backups, especially second or third backups. There you go, you now know if a trade is favorable for you or not.

SSOG,Not really the spot for that argument (VBD vs. calculator), although I'm sure it would be a good one. Rounders asked for some rules of thumb for drafting, so if he can quote the FBG calculator (within 3%) and say that in the middle of the draft, OR can evaluate an offer that is thrown his way against it with a quick calculation, then I accomplished what he needed.

Some owners live and breathe pick calculators. Some don't. As an owner that is your choice, but as a TRADER it pays to know all different languages and methods to sell your deal or evaluate an offer.

Well, I was just suggesting that he use his projections as a pick-value calculator. All arguements about value aside... assuming he takes his projections with him, valuing picks based on projections meets all of his criteria. It gives him a tool to evaluate trades, and it requires minimal memorization.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I don't like the concept of pick value calculators. I would much rather just use VBD. I'm going to assume that you have your projections with you at the draft.

If you move up in the draft, how much VBD are you gaining. What's the VBD of the pick you're giving up. Place additional emphasis on picks that will net you a starter and less emphasis on picks dealing with backups, especially second or third backups. There you go, you now know if a trade is favorable for you or not.

SSOG,Not really the spot for that argument (VBD vs. calculator), although I'm sure it would be a good one. Rounders asked for some rules of thumb for drafting, so if he can quote the FBG calculator (within 3%) and say that in the middle of the draft, OR can evaluate an offer that is thrown his way against it with a quick calculation, then I accomplished what he needed.

Some owners live and breathe pick calculators. Some don't. As an owner that is your choice, but as a TRADER it pays to know all different languages and methods to sell your deal or evaluate an offer.

Well, I was just suggesting that he use his projections as a pick-value calculator. All arguements about value aside... assuming he takes his projections with him, valuing picks based on projections meets all of his criteria. It gives him a tool to evaluate trades, and it requires minimal memorization.

SSOG, Nice work on a spinoff thread.

I agree with your point as far as self-evaluation of a trade offer, but if you want to try and SELL another owner on a trade, knowing (approximate) pick values is extremely valuable.

If you know you can get the value you want 2 rounds later, for example, why not use that to your advantage and trade down while moving up a later pick? Selling that using pick values to another owner (such as getting 2 6ths for a 4th and a 10th) would be very valuable information.