blackjack23
Footballguy
I own Thomas but I really dont think weve seen the end of Deuce yet. Why would they even have him on the roster if we did? I wouldnt get too excited just yet.
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packersfan
Footballguy
I'm wondering about this as well. They have Bush, Thomas and Stecker. If the Saints believed Deuce was finished why keep him? It's not like they need him with the emerging Thomas. This goes back to my question a few posts ago - was Payton's call to Deuce just a way to keep the veteran content or does he genuinely believe Deuce is going to play a major role at some point this season? If it's the latter, than that will significantly impact Thomas' value.
I noticed Duece and Stecker practiced fully this week. With Colston out I expect the Saints to put a little more emphasis on the run. Any homers know what the split of playing time will be for Duece, Bush, Thomas and Stecker. Everytime Thomas gets the opportunity to play he shines. This is reminding me of Turners first couple of years in the league where he had to wait it out to be the 'man'.
packersfan
Footballguy
I get that but at the end of the day this is about winning games. Does Payton genuinely believe Deuce can regain his starter's role (or co-starter's) or is he just showing him respect and all that? This, to me, is the most important question that needs to be answered if you're evaluating picking up Thomas. Because if Thomas is going to have a short window of opportunity, his fantasy value isn't anywhere near as high.
Alexander was a star in Seattle, but they released him because they didn't think he could perform at the level required anymore. The Saints organization still thinks Deuce can contribute otherwise he wouldn't be there.
bcr8f
Footballguy
They'd probably keep him on the team even if he didn't play. Does he think he'll start again? Who knows?Right now it looks like Stecker is the backup(to Deuce and Bush) and PT backs up everyone. Thomas isn't close to starting the way I see it but will get touches.
It's an unusual situation down there and hard to understand what's going on.
packersfan
Footballguy
I agree. And this is, in my opinion, is what limits Thomas' fantasy upside. Now if Deuce can't make it back then Thomas will have nice value. But if it's just a matter of time before Deuce returns than Thomas isn't someone to pursue as aggressively in my opinion.
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm not forgetting about Stecker but he looks to be the No. 3 guy right now. The Saints really need a physical complement to Bush. Thomas brings that more than Stecker which is why he fits the "Deuce" role so well. The question I have is:
How long will he keep it?
How long will he keep it?
profit
Footballguy
Oddly I seem to remember SA getting booed at times even during his MVP year. I can't remember why, but the Seattle fans always always had issues with SA.Duece has always been loved by the Saints fans (for good reason). As a falcons fan I've been to a few games at the Superdome, and when Duece would get the ball, the fans would go nutz. But at the same time they felt this way about Horn, and mangement kicked him to the curb (although the some fans were in an uproar over that for a while).
Anyway, I think their going to continue to use an RBBC, with Stecker being the backup to Bush, and Duece the backup to Thomas. Although I do think Duece will get some "token" goal line carries regardless since, as I said before, he can really get Saints fans fired up.
bcr8f
Footballguy
I wish because I have him on several teams but the Saints fans I know say it differently. I hope you're right.
bcr8f
Footballguy
They love him like Packers fans love Favre. Look at how he acted when Bush came in. No controversy. He embraced him. Horn was liked too especially because of how he acted after Katrina but you are right they did get rid of him.They thought of cutting Deuce too until he re worked his contract. Horn was given that option too but chose to be released.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
The last thing they consider when deciding to release a player or not is his work in the community. Good for the player but the team doesn't care..
saintfool
Dead sexy
this is true. the fans will forgive the front office if it brings NOLA a superbowl trophy.moreover, loomis has approached the job in a very no nonsense manner. fan favorite and locker room leaders like joe horn and willie roaf have left under loomis' tenure. he's not a sentimental fool.
Afro Samurai
Footballguy
If the team didn't really care they would've cut him by now. If they really thought Thomas could replace him, they would've cut him by now.I will maintain my stance that Deuce is still the best RB on the team. It has nothing to do with sentiment. If healthy, he is just plain old better than every other back on the roster. The Saints obviously see it that way, and they know way more about his status and effectiveness than anybody on this message board.
packersfan
Footballguy
I don't think Deuce is the best RB on the team at this point but I agree with your first two sentences. If the Saints thought he was done he'd be gone. The fact he's still around is revealing. As much as I like Thomas, the fact Deuce is still hanging around is a mitigating factor in terms of his fantasy value in my opinion.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Deuce has had ACL surgery on both his knees. Left knee in 2005, and right knee if 2007. Then had microfracture surgery on his left knee again this offseason. He's 29 years old, and will be 30 by season's end.
Deuce is a warrior, and its amazing he's still on an NFL roster, because they don't just give those spots away for being a good guy. I think he made the team because he is one of the best four RBs that the Saints have. The Saints may give him a legit shot at getting his job back over Thomas, but I just don't see how he could beat out a young, healthy 23 year old RB in Pierre Thomas, who has done nothing but look good in the opportunities provided to him.
Deuce is a warrior, and its amazing he's still on an NFL roster, because they don't just give those spots away for being a good guy. I think he made the team because he is one of the best four RBs that the Saints have. The Saints may give him a legit shot at getting his job back over Thomas, but I just don't see how he could beat out a young, healthy 23 year old RB in Pierre Thomas, who has done nothing but look good in the opportunities provided to him.
Like to see this:
September
Sept. 11, 2008
RB McAllister stuck as an emergency plan in New Orleans
For the time being, it appears RB Deuce McAllister will remain an emergency option and a backup plan for the Saints. He was activated in Week One but did not play a single down, and sources say he could play the same role for weeks. We hear the team is pleased with second-year RB Pierre Thomas and if he continues to play well, there’s no guarantee that McAllister will regain a prominent role in the ground game this season. Reggie Bush seems to be making strides, as well, in his third season and there’s no urgency to get McAllister back on the field. McAllister tore his left ACL almost one year ago and he also underwent microfracture surgery on his right knee in the winter. New Orleans is not at all counting him out yet, but there are better options ahead of him at this point, and that might not change soon.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/N...WHI/default.htm
September
Sept. 11, 2008
RB McAllister stuck as an emergency plan in New Orleans
For the time being, it appears RB Deuce McAllister will remain an emergency option and a backup plan for the Saints. He was activated in Week One but did not play a single down, and sources say he could play the same role for weeks. We hear the team is pleased with second-year RB Pierre Thomas and if he continues to play well, there’s no guarantee that McAllister will regain a prominent role in the ground game this season. Reggie Bush seems to be making strides, as well, in his third season and there’s no urgency to get McAllister back on the field. McAllister tore his left ACL almost one year ago and he also underwent microfracture surgery on his right knee in the winter. New Orleans is not at all counting him out yet, but there are better options ahead of him at this point, and that might not change soon.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/N...WHI/default.htm
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm hopeful Deuce will not be a factor. If he isn't, Thomas has a chance to be a good RB3 and possibly even a RB2. Deuce ranked 13th among RBs two seasons ago so if Thomas can keep the job, get 12-15 carries a game and a good number of TDs he could become a solid RB2.
Dr. Seuss
Footballguy
Does that link work for anyone? It comes up empty for me.I'm hopeful Deuce will not be a factor. If he isn't, Thomas has a chance to be a good RB3 and possibly even a RB2. Deuce ranked 13th among RBs two seasons ago so if Thomas can keep the job, get 12-15 carries a game and a good number of TDs he could become a solid RB2.
Link puked for me too, but I found it...http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/N.../wwhi091108.htmDoes that link work for anyone? It comes up empty for me.
az_prof
Footballguy
Sounds like the reason Deuce has been kept around isn't because he is the best back on the roster, but because he is the second best, and you can never have too many backs. So, Deuce is really insurance for Pierre!
For those of you that play in league's that give points for return yards, keep in mind that Thomas returns KOs. If he does take the "Deuce" role from a couple of years ago this season, then those return yards will probably go away, but his increased touches will make up for it. If he doesn't take the "Deuce" role this year, he still has value as at least a good bye week fill-in and possibly as a good RB3 candidate due to the KR yards.
Jerry Lawler
Footballguy
fwiw, Pierre filled both the "between the tackles" and the kickoff returner roles in week 1. NO seems to be making an effort to get him involved, and with Stecker and Deuce on the roster as insurance, they may be willing to risk using him in both roles going forward.
packersfan
Footballguy
This is from today's ESPN chat with their NFC South blog writer Pat Yasinskas. The bolded part in the question about Deuce appears to echo the Pro Football Weekly report:
Ryan (Morgan City, LA): Pierre Thomas...a fluke in the couple of games he's been featured in or a rising star running back?
SportsNation Pat Yasinskas: Not sure about a star, but definitely a rising player. He's solid in a combo with Bush.
Mike (Nola): Pat - Deuce seems to be practicing fully, will he play this week? Why was he "really" kept out of last week's game?
SportsNation Pat Yasinskas: Saints are being cautious. You'll see him before long. Not saying it will be in his previous role, but you'll see him.
Ryan (Morgan City, LA): From what I saw in the preseason, it looked like Deuce doesn't have any power running left in him. I think, instead of being cautious, the Saints are slowly phasing him out. Your thoughts?
SportsNation Pat Yasinskas: They definitely want the young legs out there more. But they also know it's a long season and they'll need him at some point. Got to find a way to keep him content.
Ryan (Morgan City, LA): Pierre Thomas...a fluke in the couple of games he's been featured in or a rising star running back?
SportsNation Pat Yasinskas: Not sure about a star, but definitely a rising player. He's solid in a combo with Bush.
Mike (Nola): Pat - Deuce seems to be practicing fully, will he play this week? Why was he "really" kept out of last week's game?
SportsNation Pat Yasinskas: Saints are being cautious. You'll see him before long. Not saying it will be in his previous role, but you'll see him.
Ryan (Morgan City, LA): From what I saw in the preseason, it looked like Deuce doesn't have any power running left in him. I think, instead of being cautious, the Saints are slowly phasing him out. Your thoughts?
SportsNation Pat Yasinskas: They definitely want the young legs out there more. But they also know it's a long season and they'll need him at some point. Got to find a way to keep him content.
DropKick
Footballguy
Wow! A realistic, practical and intelligent answer. These are few and far between these days.
Do you like Pierre Thomas better than Justin Fargas? Who do you see with the most upside out of those two who are in somewhat similar situations.
Stecker is out, not sure about Duece, play P. Thomas with confidence.
New Orleans Saints' injuries: Simoneau out for season
Posted by Mike Triplett, The Times-Picayune September 12, 2008 2:23PM
Categories: Saints Michael DeMocker/The Times-PicayuneSaints linebacker Mark Simoneau out for the season.
The Saints placed linebacker Mark Simoneau on injured reserve with a lingering back injury that will require surgery. They also ruled out three starters for Sunday's game at Washington - linebacker Scott Fujita (knee), safety Roman Harper (hamstring) and cornerback Randall Gay (hamstring/illness).
Tailback Aaron Stecker (hamstring) has also been ruled out, along with receiver Marques Colston (thumb) and defensive tackle Antwan Lake (groin), who were ruled out earlier in the week.
To replace Simoneau on the roster, the Saints will activate defensive end Josh Savage from the practice squad. The most likely replacements for the injured starters are linebacker Troy Evans, safety Josh Bullocks and cornerback Aaron Glenn.
Michael DeMocker/The Times-PicayuneSaints linebacker Scott Fujita won't play against Washington this week.
It's still not clear if the Saints are ready to activate veteran corner Mike McKenzie, who is recovering from a torn anterior cruicate knee ligament. He has been fully participating in practice and preseason games for more than a month now, but the Saints kept him on the bench in Week 1.
Check back for an in-depth follow-up this afternoon.
New Orleans Saints' injuries: Simoneau out for season
Posted by Mike Triplett, The Times-Picayune September 12, 2008 2:23PM
Categories: Saints Michael DeMocker/The Times-PicayuneSaints linebacker Mark Simoneau out for the season.
The Saints placed linebacker Mark Simoneau on injured reserve with a lingering back injury that will require surgery. They also ruled out three starters for Sunday's game at Washington - linebacker Scott Fujita (knee), safety Roman Harper (hamstring) and cornerback Randall Gay (hamstring/illness).
Tailback Aaron Stecker (hamstring) has also been ruled out, along with receiver Marques Colston (thumb) and defensive tackle Antwan Lake (groin), who were ruled out earlier in the week.
To replace Simoneau on the roster, the Saints will activate defensive end Josh Savage from the practice squad. The most likely replacements for the injured starters are linebacker Troy Evans, safety Josh Bullocks and cornerback Aaron Glenn.
Michael DeMocker/The Times-PicayuneSaints linebacker Scott Fujita won't play against Washington this week.
It's still not clear if the Saints are ready to activate veteran corner Mike McKenzie, who is recovering from a torn anterior cruicate knee ligament. He has been fully participating in practice and preseason games for more than a month now, but the Saints kept him on the bench in Week 1.
Check back for an in-depth follow-up this afternoon.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Why would you say this?
3C's
Footballguy
CZAR'S SCOOP: Apparently, there were discussions inside the Saints about actually releasing RB Deuce McAllister during training camp.http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8561116...nswers-to-Davis
Kleck
Footballguy
I'm in a similar situation with a team I took over in a dynasty league. I'm going with Thomas as my flex over Selvin this week.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Based on how bad the Redskins looked in Week 1, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Pierre takes off starting this week.
Deuce is behind him on the depth chart, plain and simple.
Deuce is behind him on the depth chart, plain and simple.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
:catfight:In the Deuce/Thomas thread... you directed conversation at me initially.Seems like this is becoming a pattern with you, but by all means, have your fun.I've never been stalked before (well, at least not in the SP). Should be interesting.
around gametime.
DropKick
Footballguy
I do.. but I'll add the disclaimer that the Raiders are largely off my radar. Also, I tend to have more of a dynasty focus.As the season progresses, I think the Raiders will transition more to McFadden. Thomas is also limited by Reggie Bush, but I'll take the guy in a better offense.
WarRedbirds
Footballguy
Fixed...HoTnickZ said:
Corrected, have any questions let me know.
Kleck
Footballguy
Well I'm going for it. Deuce isn't inactive this game, but hopefully last game repeats itself. The Skins have been bad against the run this year, and Marcus Washington is out this game.You only live once. Good thing I'll beKleck said:around gametime.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
And only 5 for Bush. Seems about right.It will switch around should the Saints get a noticeable lead.Still only 3 carries though
I was getting worried for a second there. The Saints should definitely be using him more.Also, it's going to be a while until I wash this hand again.. high five from a single digiter, doesn't get much better than that.Well I'm going for it. Deuce isn't inactive this game, but hopefully last game repeats itself. The Skins have been bad against the run this year, and Marcus Washington is out this game.You only live once. Good thing I'll beKleck said:
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