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Pittsburgh = overrated? (1 Viewer)

Unless someone thinks they are one of the top four teams in the NFL right now, no, they are not overrated. After NE, Indy, Dallas, and GB, they have just about as good a case as any other team for being the 5th best team in the NFL.

 
they look a lot better this week than they have the last two weeks. Last week, it was almost as if they were playing in mud...

 
I'm sure someone will start a thread about this later (and if they don't, I probably will,) but...

the way the defense is playing, I think they'll give the Pats a game next week. Not saying they'll win but I think it will be a game. Just saying...

 
timschochet said:
I'm sure someone will start a thread about this later (and if they don't, I probably will,) but...the way the defense is playing, I think they'll give the Pats a game next week. Not saying they'll win but I think it will be a game. Just saying...
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Perhaps, but you gotta figure that the Patriots opportunistic defense will be all over the suddenly mistake-prone Steelers offense, and I wouldn't count on the Patriots being as awful at converting off of turnovers as the Bengals have been.
 
Ghost Rider said:
timschochet said:
I'm sure someone will start a thread about this later (and if they don't, I probably will,) but...the way the defense is playing, I think they'll give the Pats a game next week. Not saying they'll win but I think it will be a game. Just saying...
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Perhaps, but you gotta figure that the Patriots opportunistic defense will be all over the suddenly mistake-prone Steelers offense, and I wouldn't count on the Patriots being as awful at converting off of turnovers as the Bengals have been.
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If the Steelers play the way they've played tonight, they will get destroyed just like most other teams. If the Steelers play to the level that they can and get some of their key players back, they have a fighting chance.
 
Pittsburgh = Lucky Tonight!

Fumble for a TD turned over

Another fumble turned over

The 'almost' Chris Henry TD

I think the game could have been a lot closer than the score shows.

 
nerangers said:
Pittsburgh = Lucky Tonight!Fumble for a TD turned overAnother fumble turned overThe 'almost' Chris Henry TDI think the game could have been a lot closer than the score shows.
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I don't know how you can say they were lucky. They won despite all the mistakes because of a combination of good defense and terrible play by the Bungles. But I'm assuming you're gonna blame this one on the refs.....
 
With a D this good they will most likely be in almost any game. If the offense can start to click, they could actually be pretty dangerous. But they've been way too inconsistent on offense.

 
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CrossEyed said:
With a D this good they will most likely be in almost any game. If the offense can start to click, they could actually be pretty dangerous. But they've been way too inconsistent on offense.
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New England will crush them next week.
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We'll see. I think the Steeler D is capable of slowing down that Patriot offense. It will come down to how well the Steelers can move the ball.
 
Ghost Rider said:
Unless someone thinks they are one of the top four teams in the NFL right now, no, they are not overrated. After NE, Indy, Dallas, and GB, they have just about as good a case as any other team for being the 5th best team in the NFL.
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Steelers with a healthy Polamalu and Holmes are better than Green Bay.
 
Giant Wooden Badger said:
Ghost Rider said:
Unless someone thinks they are one of the top four teams in the NFL right now, no, they are not overrated. After NE, Indy, Dallas, and GB, they have just about as good a case as any other team for being the 5th best team in the NFL.
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Steelers with a healthy Polamalu and Holmes are better than Green Bay.
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I know this might be hard to believe, but the Steelers have played better D this year the games that Troy has been out. He's an amazing physical talent when healthy, but he makes a lot of mistakes and over runs plays way too often.
 
timschochet said:
I'm sure someone will start a thread about this later (and if they don't, I probably will,) but...the way the defense is playing, I think they'll give the Pats a game next week. Not saying they'll win but I think it will be a game. Just saying...
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yeah, and you were just saying it about washington, too.I think you say that every week, as a matter of fact, so congrats on last week, and too bad about the other 10.
 
eom said:
timschochet said:
I'm sure someone will start a thread about this later (and if they don't, I probably will,) but...the way the defense is playing, I think they'll give the Pats a game next week. Not saying they'll win but I think it will be a game. Just saying...
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yeah, and you were just saying it about washington, too.I think you say that every week, as a matter of fact, so congrats on last week, and too bad about the other 10.
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I can always hope, can't I? (Besides, no joke, I really mean it this time...)Note that I made no such claim about the Ravens...
 
The defense is playing incredibly well. The O-line is looking better with Max Starks in at RT. The Steelers can give a game if they hit Moss early and hard, and of course if Ben is on a good day.

 
I am a longtime Steelers fan who unfortunately lives in Maine (heart of Pats country). The Steelers played good 2nd and 4th quarters, but horrible 1st and 3rd quarters. This will not go well against New England. Davenpoo and his mystery injury hurt us last night. The play calling was horrible as more passes need to be attempted on 1st and 2nd downs. Ben needs to set his feet before he throws. Are the Steelers overated? I don't think so if you count their potential but they certainly didn't play like champions last night.

 
Steeler07 said:
The defense is playing incredibly well. The O-line is looking better with Max Starks in at RT. The Steelers can give a game if they hit Moss early and hard, and of course if Ben is on a good day.
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Starks has been playing LT for Smith. He played a lot better this week, but last week he looked as horrid as the rest of them.This OL still has no edge, tenacity, or balls. Too many times the RBs are hit as soon as they get the ball. Roeth is still forced to throw on the move too much. Sean Mahan seems to have one gear: reverse.Their D has played really well, even without Polamalu(who was sort of sucking since he was playing hurt anyway), but they're an improved OL away from making a serious run, IMO.I'll still take a needed win, in crappy weather, versus a division opponent, in which they overcame some horrible turnovers, every time.
 
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Urinal Mint said:
They don't effectively run the ball IMO.
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RightFWP #2 in the NFL in rushing...... :sadbanana:
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I actually agree with the OP. The Steelers can't "impose their will" on teams like they have in the past to close out games. FWP's total yards don't tell the story here; what's his YPC (I really don't know)? He's an explosive back who's strength is being able to take it to the house on any given play, but that's hard to do when you get stuffed at the line so often.
 
Before the season started, I had hoped that the Steelers would vie for the division crown or to possibly sneak into the playoffs. So far, they are in position to do both.

Early season blowouts most likely pumped the Steelers value higher than deserved, especially considering their losses to ARI, DEN, and NYJ. If you would have told me the Steelers would go 9-3 with a 7-2 Conference record going into week 14, I would have thought you were crazy.

So, yes, I think the Steelers are slightly overrated. Improved OL play and ST play plus more QB pressure and INTs by th defense would go a long way to improving the Steelers' ranking in my eyes.

 
Four weaknesses, none of which can be fixed this year:

1. Pass protection is spotty on it's best days.

2. No matter how hard they try to make it so, Parker is not a heavy duty back. He's really a change of pace back. Far too many times he goes up the middle for NO yardage. I think the Steelers need to pick up a heavy duty back in the draft or through trades, and switch FWP to a 3rd down back.

3. Thse secondary is playing better, but there is just not enough athleticism there to handle a good spread offense. this will unfortunately be demonstrated next week.

4. Too many players on this team have a tendency to take plays or whole games off, which leads to the inconsistency we all witness. Whether this is coaching or something else remains to be seen.

 
timschochet said:
Four weaknesses, none of which can be fixed this year:1. Pass protection is spotty on it's best days.2. No matter how hard they try to make it so, Parker is not a heavy duty back. He's really a change of pace back. Far too many times he goes up the middle for NO yardage. I think the Steelers need to pick up a heavy duty back in the draft or through trades, and switch FWP to a 3rd down back.3. Thse secondary is playing better, but there is just not enough athleticism there to handle a good spread offense. this will unfortunately be demonstrated next week.4. Too many players on this team have a tendency to take plays or whole games off, which leads to the inconsistency we all witness. Whether this is coaching or something else remains to be seen.
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Wow. One out of 4. Not good even in baseball.2 thru 4 are absolutely incorrect. Not saying the Pats aren't the better team but wrong is wrong.#1 is accurate.The beginning and end of the Steelers problems is the O-line and Bruce Arians.
 
timschochet said:
Four weaknesses, none of which can be fixed this year:1. Pass protection is spotty on it's best days.2. No matter how hard they try to make it so, Parker is not a heavy duty back. He's really a change of pace back. Far too many times he goes up the middle for NO yardage. I think the Steelers need to pick up a heavy duty back in the draft or through trades, and switch FWP to a 3rd down back.3. Thse secondary is playing better, but there is just not enough athleticism there to handle a good spread offense. this will unfortunately be demonstrated next week.4. Too many players on this team have a tendency to take plays or whole games off, which leads to the inconsistency we all witness. Whether this is coaching or something else remains to be seen.
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1. Agree2. Strongly disagree. Relegate FWP to 3rd down back and give the starting gig to a guy you pick up in a trade is utterly ridiculous. A RB needs a hole in order to run effectively up the middle and they haven't been very good doing that. Drafting a RB when your line is so-so at best and getting worse when Faneca goes, is silly.3. The secondary has played very well thsi season and would look even better if the front 7 generated more of a pass rush. My biggest complaint with the 2ndary is they give too much of a cushion and Brasy will eat them alive if they do that next week.4. At times the Steelers have looked flat. I don't know if they are necessarily taking plays/games off as much as playing without fire. I think Tomlin is doing a terrific job as HC but this is one area where I don't think he holds a candle to Cowher.
 
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And to answer the original question I think the Ghostrider said it best:

Unless someone thinks they are one of the top four teams in the NFL right now, no, they are not overrated. After NE, Indy, Dallas, and GB, they have just about as good a case as any other team for being the 5th best team in the NFL.
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I think on their best day the Steelers have a chance to beat any of the Top 4 but they more rightfully belong with Jacksonville and maybe San Diego. Cleveland and Tennessee are close but a little behind.
 
Godsbrother said:
timschochet said:
Four weaknesses, none of which can be fixed this year:1. Pass protection is spotty on it's best days.2. No matter how hard they try to make it so, Parker is not a heavy duty back. He's really a change of pace back. Far too many times he goes up the middle for NO yardage. I think the Steelers need to pick up a heavy duty back in the draft or through trades, and switch FWP to a 3rd down back.3. Thse secondary is playing better, but there is just not enough athleticism there to handle a good spread offense. this will unfortunately be demonstrated next week.4. Too many players on this team have a tendency to take plays or whole games off, which leads to the inconsistency we all witness. Whether this is coaching or something else remains to be seen.
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1. Agree2. Strongly disagree. Relegate FWP to 3rd down back and give the starting gig to a guy you pick up in a trade is utterly ridiculous. A RB needs a hole in order to run effectively up the middle and they haven't been very good doing that. Drafting a RB when your line is so-so at best and getting worse when Faneca goes, is silly.3. The secondary has played very well thsi season and would look even better if the front 7 generated more of a pass rush. My biggest complaint with the 2ndary is they give too much of a cushion and Brasy will eat them alive if they do that next week.4. At times the Steelers have looked flat. I don't know if they are necessarily taking plays/games off as much as playing without fire. I think Tomlin is doing a terrific job as HC but this is one area where I don't think he holds a candle to Cowher.
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One of the reasons that Cowher had such a great record when he was up by ten or more was that he would send the Bus in and get 4 tough yards a carry in the 4th quarter. FWP is a very exciting back, but he struggles mightily against good defenses, and he just doesn't scratch out those tough yards. You can't blame it all on the offensive line. I want a back on the Steelers like Barber, who is winning games for Dallas the way Bettis used to for Pittsburgh: he gets the yardage when he has to.A nice low rounder the Steelers could pick up might be Chauncey Washington from USC. He's slightly injury prone, but I notice this guy gets done in college what I am talking about.
 
analog_hiss said:
So, yes, I think the Steelers are slightly overrated. Improved OL play and ST play plus more QB pressure and INTs by th defense would go a long way to improving the Steelers' ranking in my eyes.
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:shrug: I only watched the game off and on last night but it didn't look like they were pressuring Palmer much. They will need to get to Brady more than that if they want to hang with the Patriots.
 
Don't all those FWP fumbles (or almost fumbles) worry people? Pitts also gives up sacks like they're going out of style.

Pats are # 1 in T.O. differential by a wide margin (and that's before they face Boller) - it could be a LONG day for them on Sunday.

Edited to say that he doesn't fumble a whole lot - but last night was worrisome.

 
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timschochet said:
Godsbrother said:
timschochet said:
Four weaknesses, none of which can be fixed this year:1. Pass protection is spotty on it's best days.2. No matter how hard they try to make it so, Parker is not a heavy duty back. He's really a change of pace back. Far too many times he goes up the middle for NO yardage. I think the Steelers need to pick up a heavy duty back in the draft or through trades, and switch FWP to a 3rd down back.3. Thse secondary is playing better, but there is just not enough athleticism there to handle a good spread offense. this will unfortunately be demonstrated next week.4. Too many players on this team have a tendency to take plays or whole games off, which leads to the inconsistency we all witness. Whether this is coaching or something else remains to be seen.
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1. Agree2. Strongly disagree. Relegate FWP to 3rd down back and give the starting gig to a guy you pick up in a trade is utterly ridiculous. A RB needs a hole in order to run effectively up the middle and they haven't been very good doing that. Drafting a RB when your line is so-so at best and getting worse when Faneca goes, is silly.3. The secondary has played very well thsi season and would look even better if the front 7 generated more of a pass rush. My biggest complaint with the 2ndary is they give too much of a cushion and Brasy will eat them alive if they do that next week.4. At times the Steelers have looked flat. I don't know if they are necessarily taking plays/games off as much as playing without fire. I think Tomlin is doing a terrific job as HC but this is one area where I don't think he holds a candle to Cowher.
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One of the reasons that Cowher had such a great record when he was up by ten or more was that he would send the Bus in and get 4 tough yards a carry in the 4th quarter. FWP is a very exciting back, but he struggles mightily against good defenses, and he just doesn't scratch out those tough yards. You can't blame it all on the offensive line. I want a back on the Steelers like Barber, who is winning games for Dallas the way Bettis used to for Pittsburgh: he gets the yardage when he has to.A nice low rounder the Steelers could pick up might be Chauncey Washington from USC. He's slightly injury prone, but I notice this guy gets done in college what I am talking about.
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I understand your opinion since a lot of Steeler fans still want a huge back but it’s just not the right move. Parker’s great. This O-Line has been awful this year, and his still staying healthy fighting for yards inside and putting up a understandable 3.8 avg this year. He offers so much to this offense and benching him is wrong. At least you want a late round pick instead of trading a second for a Duckett type player or a third on M. Bush like in recent years. Steeler fans across the nation will fall in love with some huge man in the off-season, it's just inevitable
 
timschochet said:
One of the reasons that Cowher had such a great record when he was up by ten or more was that he would send the Bus in and get 4 tough yards a carry in the 4th quarter. FWP is a very exciting back, but he struggles mightily against good defenses, and he just doesn't scratch out those tough yards. You can't blame it all on the offensive line. I want a back on the Steelers like Barber, who is winning games for Dallas the way Bettis used to for Pittsburgh: he gets the yardage when he has to.A nice low rounder the Steelers could pick up might be Chauncey Washington from USC. He's slightly injury prone, but I notice this guy gets done in college what I am talking about.
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I don't have a problem grabbing a big RB in the later rounds that would be used in short yardage situations and to grind down the clock in the 4th quarter the way Bettis used to. But unless we get very lucky and get a very talented big back that can do it all I just don't want him starting over FWP. Parker has proven that he can be a very effective starting RB in the NFL. It just seems to me there haven't been that many holes this season, especially up the middle, for him to get through. In my opinion they really miss Hartings at center and replacing Mahan (and likely Faneca) has got to be a top priority in the offseason.
 
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parrot said:
analog_hiss said:
So, yes, I think the Steelers are slightly overrated. Improved OL play and ST play plus more QB pressure and INTs by th defense would go a long way to improving the Steelers' ranking in my eyes.
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:thumbup: I only watched the game off and on last night but it didn't look like they were pressuring Palmer much. They will need to get to Brady more than that if they want to hang with the Patriots.
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Seemed like Palmer was under pressure a few times but he was great at getting rid of the ball before getting sacked.
 
The Steelers are traditionally a team that plays defense and runs the ball. This style of play isn't pretty. In fact it can be absolutely brutal to watch. But make no mistake this is Steelers football and that game went the way they wanted it to. They only gave up 10 points you know.

 
Intergalactic Kegger said:
The Steelers are traditionally a team that plays defense and runs the ball. This style of play isn't pretty. In fact it can be absolutely brutal to watch. But make no mistake this is Steelers football and that game went the way they wanted it to. They only gave up 10 points you know.
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Except for the 4-1 against turnover margin. Felt like the Bengals kept trying to score and failing and the Steelers kept putting the ball back at the 25 and saying.. "Here, try again....... here, try again..... here, try again....."
 
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