Planned Parenthood leaked video (1 Viewer)

[jonessed]

Much of the outrage from many (in this thread and elsewhere) against PP is that abortion is their "cash cow". The Services number is irrelevant if this argument has any relevance. Revenue would be far more important.

Shader, I erred, and I apologize for the confusion.That being said, if only 3% of PP's services are abortion-related, then it seems sort of counterintuitive to me that abortion would be their "cash cow." I don't know what the numbers actually are, but that doesn't make much sense.

Why would it be counterintuitive to make higher profits on a lower volume, but more complex procedure/product?

Of course not. But 3% of services? That's too low for a "cash cow."(Also, I want to reiterate that Planned Parenthood doesn't make any kind of "profit".)

Why is it far too low to buy the primary profit driver? I doubt there is a lot of money to be made in handing out birth control pills.

They make a net margin that they reinvest in expansion, increased salaries, political donations, etc. We don't have to call it profit if that bothers you. I think everybody knows what it's referencing so I'm not sure why it really matters though.

 

[Hang 10]

Much of the outrage from many (in this thread and elsewhere) against PP is that abortion is their "cash cow". The Services number is irrelevant if this argument has any relevance. Revenue would be far more important.

Shader, I erred, and I apologize for the confusion.

That being said, if only 3% of PP's services are abortion-related, then it seems sort of counterintuitive to me that abortion would be their "cash cow." I don't know what the numbers actually are, but that doesn't make much sense.

Right, you don't know what the numbers actually are. You can stop right there. But if you want to speculate wildly, I can just as easily make the assumptions that they don't release the revenue numbers because shader is right about it being PP's cash cow.

You can make any assumptions you want. But some are going to make sense and some aren't. It doesn't make sense to me that if 3% of the services are from abortion, that abortion is going to be the main source of revenue, which is how I would define the word "cash cow." But if you think it DOES make sense, then please explain it to me. Perhaps there's something I'm not considering here.

Show me percentages of their other services and maybe we can draw some conclusions but until then, your 3% doesn't mean ####.

Here are some numbers for both services provided and revenue. Unfortunately they don't break down the 23% of revenue from "non-government health services" in further detail, but obviously you can assume the revenue from abortions is under 23%. Whether that's a "cash cow" or not is up to you, I guess. Although as I said before I'm not sure why it matters.

Based on that pie chart, the cash cow is the government, followed by private donations and then that 23% which is probably abortions and who knows what else. So basically that thing doesn't tell us anything.

 

[Henry Ford]

Anyone here a fan of setting aside their political differences and meeting in the middle to endorse a commitment to reducing the number of abortions with the use of reasonable measures?

Sadly, not enough to make it happen in the political arena.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Much of the outrage from many (in this thread and elsewhere) against PP is that abortion is their "cash cow". The Services number is irrelevant if this argument has any relevance. Revenue would be far more important.

Does it matter to you that none of their public funding goes towards abortions? The public funding is for women's health and contraception. If you cut that off, wouldn't it follow that there would be more abortions (whether at PP or elsewhere)?

Not really.

http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/there-is-no-pro-life-case-for-planned-parenthood/?module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Opinion&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs&region=Body&_r=0

I think this is a reasonable article. I would want to read more from the other side before reaching a conclusion, but this guy's evidence makes sense to me.

And I agree with his final point as well. I can't speak for other "pro-choice" people, but I don't personally accept the idea that abortion is some sort of "necessary evil". I regard abortion, in many instances, as a moral good. I'm not interested in the arguments over what are the best way to reduce abortions; I don't want to see them reduced.

Tim, that article is total nonsense. Breaking it down by states ignores the many other variables that would lead to higher rates of abortion in blue states (more urban areas, differing morality, etc). Douthat is a widely mocked right wing ###hat.

You can google the link between birth control and abortion rates and see very clearly from a wide variety of sources that there is a link between improved access to contraception and a reduction in abortion rates. The Guttmacher Institute (cited by Douthat) found that to be the case in a study across seven countries. A Wash U study found that to be the case with respect to free access to contraception. Or you can just look at the national trend of declining abortion rates paired with increased contraception access. Even the linked article ultimately had to admit this before falling back on some nonsense about the link not being strong enough to "justify the kind of moral blackmail that moderate liberals keep trying to deploy," a sentence that's hard to get through without making a fart noise.

 

[Henry Ford]

I think they have come out with the best videos they had and nobody really gives a ####. I am not super pro choice or anything at all (If you could stop the skull crush abortions I'd be fine with that, but I think this represents a really small number) and nothing in these videos have shown me anything that disgusts me in the least. It's what I expect people to do with this tissue.

Many modern medicines came from human tissue, insulin used now was sourced from a living braindead donor that was effectively killed in the process, a human donor that has gone on to basically give diabetics a normal lifespan. One that was cut short by decades before.

I expect to donate my tissue, and I expect doctors to profit off of it and my family won't get a cut. I still don't get the outrage over selling baby tissue for a profit I just don't. Nothing here that's been said has changed that for me in the slightest.

Women will always have abortions, may as well get something useful out of it.

I guess the question mark is how often Intact Dilation and Extraction procedures happen. I know that the number being championed by pro life groups before IDX procedures were made illegal in most cases was approximately .24% of abortions in Virginia (slightly less than 1/4 of 1%, not 1/4 of all abortions) at Planned Parenthood were IDX procedures. I think it stands to reason that there are significantly less of them done today.

 

[dhockster]

Okay, based on information from the fact check article: Abortions represented 3% of the number of medical services provided but they were given to 10% of PP's clients in 2009 (332,000 out of 3 million). Government funding was $362 million in 2009 which was roughly 1/3 of total revenues. That means total revenues were roughly 1 billion dollars. If 332,000 abortions were performed and abortions cost $100 each then that would be $30 million of abortion revenue which would be about 3 percent of total revenues. If abortions cost $500 each than that would be about $150 million of abortion revenue or about 15% of total revenues. I have no idea how much individual abortions actually cost so if anyone has a good number on that we could come pretty close to what % of revenues abortions account for.

 

[Henry Ford]

Okay, based on information from the fact check article: Abortions represented 3% of the number of medical services provided but they were given to 10% of PP's clients in 2009 (332,000 out of 3 million). Government funding was $362 million in 2009 which was roughly 1/3 of total revenues. That means total revenues were roughly 1 billion dollars. If 332,000 abortions were performed and abortions cost $100 each then that would be $30 million of abortion revenue which would be about 3 percent of total revenues. If abortions cost $500 each than that would be about $150 million of abortion revenue or about 15% of total revenues. I have no idea how much individual abortions actually cost so if anyone has a good number on that we could come pretty close to what % of revenues abortions account for.

Depends on where you are, and I believe they use a sliding scale.

 

[timschochet]

Much of the outrage from many (in this thread and elsewhere) against PP is that abortion is their "cash cow". The Services number is irrelevant if this argument has any relevance. Revenue would be far more important.

Does it matter to you that none of their public funding goes towards abortions? The public funding is for women's health and contraception. If you cut that off, wouldn't it follow that there would be more abortions (whether at PP or elsewhere)?

Not really.

http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/there-is-no-pro-life-case-for-planned-parenthood/?module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Opinion&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs&region=Body&_r=0

I think this is a reasonable article. I would want to read more from the other side before reaching a conclusion, but this guy's evidence makes sense to me.

And I agree with his final point as well. I can't speak for other "pro-choice" people, but I don't personally accept the idea that abortion is some sort of "necessary evil". I regard abortion, in many instances, as a moral good. I'm not interested in the arguments over what are the best way to reduce abortions; I don't want to see them reduced.

Tim, that article is total nonsense. Breaking it down by states ignores the many other variables that would lead to higher rates of abortion in blue states (more urban areas, differing morality, etc). Douthat is a widely mocked right wing ###hat.

You can google the link between birth control and abortion rates and see very clearly from a wide variety of sources that there is a link between improved access to contraception and a reduction in abortion rates. The Guttmacher Institute (cited by Douthat) found that to be the case in a study across seven countries. A Wash U study found that to be the case with respect to free access to contraception. Or you can just look at the national trend of declining abortion rates paired with increased contraception access. Even the linked article ultimately had to admit this before falling back on some nonsense about the link not being strong enough to "justify the kind of moral blackmail that moderate liberals keep trying to deploy," a sentence that's hard to get through without making a fart noise.

Well, I don't care whether Douthat is a right winger or whatever his politics are, what matters is if he made sense. I thought his information sounded compelling, but the information you're presenting here seems to refute that. I still found his last argument to be somewhat compelling, as I wrote.

 

[Hang 10]

Anyone here a fan of setting aside their political differences and meeting in the middle to endorse a commitment to reducing the number of abortions with the use of reasonable measures?

Sadly, not enough to make it happen in the political arena.

I bemoaned this a few pages back. The people who actually want to reduce the number of abortions and do things that would help that are few and far between. Most people use abortion as a political football without wanting to do anything to help the problem.

And what was your solution? Access to birth control?

 

[jonessed]

Anyone here a fan of setting aside their political differences and meeting in the middle to endorse a commitment to reducing the number of abortions with the use of reasonable measures?

Sadly, not enough to make it happen in the political arena.

I bemoaned this a few pages back. The people who actually want to reduce the number of abortions and do things that would help that are few and far between. Most people use abortion as a political football without wanting to do anything to help the problem.

The only significant minority in the U.S. that are opposed to birth control are devout Catholics. If there is a political movement to cut off access to birth control it's not large enough to hold any sway.

Birth control access for kids and parental knowledge is certainly stickier, but I don't really see much political movement there. It's more a discussion on how young is too young and parent vs. school teaching.

I think the problems here mirror the gun control debate. Sensible changes are impossible because the defending position sees it as a movement towards a bigger goal. That position is easy to validate because some people DO see it as a movement to a bigger goal, but obviously not all. You could build a consensus amongst the majority, but the political will on the defensive side is likely too much to overcome.

 

[Apple Jack]

Morning after pill is where it's at.

 

[Slapdash]

Much of the outrage from many (in this thread and elsewhere) against PP is that abortion is their "cash cow". The Services number is irrelevant if this argument has any relevance. Revenue would be far more important.

This is bull####. If they were charging more for these other services to subsidize cheaper abortions, you anti-choice folks would be throwing even more a fit. Instead, they are over-charging for abortions to more easily provide cheaper screening/birth control options.

 

[Hang 10]

Anyone here a fan of setting aside their political differences and meeting in the middle to endorse a commitment to reducing the number of abortions with the use of reasonable measures?

Sadly, not enough to make it happen in the political arena.

I bemoaned this a few pages back. The people who actually want to reduce the number of abortions and do things that would help that are few and far between. Most people use abortion as a political football without wanting to do anything to help the problem.

And what was your solution? Access to birth control?

I'm not arrogant enough to think I know exactly how to fix the problem, but I think that plenty of access to free birth control combined with some manner of government support that is automatic monthly for every kid under 18 would be a good place to start.

Basically, I'd want to attack two things. First, unplanned pregnancies, since that's almost always a prerequisite for abortions. Second, I'd want to start trying to address the main reasons women give for not wanting to keep a baby, and economic reasons are always at the top of the list. Maybe state colleges should offer childcare? Maybe there should be scholarships for single moms?

These may be terrible ideas, but my main point is that nobody is actually looking for any ideas, good or bad, to reduce abortion. People are clamoring on about defunding planned parenthood like that will do anything other than raise the total number of abortions. I just wish there was a larger group of people who actually wanted to do something about this rather than try to make it illegal. We have data on countries who make abortion illegal, and it doesn't seem to reduce the incidence at all.

So the answer is money? Lots of money.

Sorry but I just don't see American being a place where people lack access to birth control. I also don't think the answer is the state giving more incentive to have babies you can't afford.

How about encouraging adoption?

 

[jonessed]

Anyone here a fan of setting aside their political differences and meeting in the middle to endorse a commitment to reducing the number of abortions with the use of reasonable measures?

Sadly, not enough to make it happen in the political arena.

I bemoaned this a few pages back. The people who actually want to reduce the number of abortions and do things that would help that are few and far between. Most people use abortion as a political football without wanting to do anything to help the problem.

The only significant minority in the U.S. that are opposed to birth control are devout Catholics. If there is a political movement to cut off access to birth control it's not large enough to hold any sway.Birth control access for kids and parental knowledge is certainly stickier, but I don't really see much political movement there. It's more a discussion on how young is too young and parent vs. school teaching.

I think the problems here mirror the gun control debate. Sensible changes are impossible because the defending position sees it as a movement towards a bigger goal. That position is easy to validate because some people DO see it as a movement to a bigger goal, but obviously not all. You could build a consensus amongst the majority, but the political will on the defensive side is likely too much to overcome.

This thread is part of a huge campaign to defund the organization that provides free birth control to the most at risk group for abortion. Whether or not they are against birth control in theory, they are definitely against planned parenthood getting federal dollars to provide birth control to poor, at risk young women, which seems like it will only make the problem worse.

Only if the money doesn't go to another group to provide those services.

 

[Hang 10]

Anyone here a fan of setting aside their political differences and meeting in the middle to endorse a commitment to reducing the number of abortions with the use of reasonable measures?

Sadly, not enough to make it happen in the political arena.

I bemoaned this a few pages back. The people who actually want to reduce the number of abortions and do things that would help that are few and far between. Most people use abortion as a political football without wanting to do anything to help the problem.

The only significant minority in the U.S. that are opposed to birth control are devout Catholics. If there is a political movement to cut off access to birth control it's not large enough to hold any sway.

Birth control access for kids and parental knowledge is certainly stickier, but I don't really see much political movement there. It's more a discussion on how young is too young and parent vs. school teaching.

I think the problems here mirror the gun control debate. Sensible changes are impossible because the defending position sees it as a movement towards a bigger goal. That position is easy to validate because some people DO see it as a movement to a bigger goal, but obviously not all. You could build a consensus amongst the majority, but the political will on the defensive side is likely too much to overcome.

This thread is part of a huge campaign to defund the organization that provides free birth control to the most at risk group for abortion. Whether or not they are against birth control in theory, they are definitely against planned parenthood getting federal dollars to provide birth control to poor, at risk young women, which seems like it will only make the problem worse.

They don't provide #### for free. Did you see how much of their revenue was our tax dollars? We are paying for all the "free" services. Why do we need planned parenthood when we have obamacare?

 

[Hang 10]

So the answer is money? Lots of money.

Sorry but I just don't see American being a place where people lack access to birth control. I also don't think the answer is the state giving more incentive to have babies you can't afford.

How about encouraging adoption?

First, like I said, they may indeed be terrible ideas, but they're part of a conversation nobody is having. I'd rather have someone come up with bad ideas to reduce abortion than scream ideas from their moral high ground that will end up increasing abortion.

As far as money goes, yup, it would probably cost money to reduce abortion. If you think abortion is baby murder, I can't think of too many things you'd rather see money spent on. What people spend money on (or want to spend the government's money on) says a lot about how strongly you feel about something. If you say that abortion is baby murder and a modern day holocaust against the unborn, but in the next breath complain that solutions to fix that holocaust would cost money, I frankly don't think you're actually that serious when you call it a tragedy.

Making adoption easier would certainly be an option to look at to reduce abortion. I'm not familiar with the intricacies of the system, but I've got a few friends that can't conceive that are in the middle of years long expensive processes to try to adopt an infant. Seems like there's an opportunity to streamline that system and provide some manner of incentive to the young moms that have babies who don't want them, as well as open the doors to families who could adopt but don't have a spare $50k to throw at it. The problem is that in order to reduce abortion you have to do something for the pregnant woman to make it worth her while to bring the kid to term and go through everything that entails. And the minute we start paying people to have babies, we run into some Cobra effect type problems.

This isn't an easy problem. It's never going to be completely solved. Anything we do to help is going to have some manner of cost. But it would be nice if we could have an honest conversation about how to reduce abortion rather than screaming about how terrible it is from our moral high ground while we push options that would only make the problem worse.

Honestly, I can easily say that I'd rather someone profit from selling babies than aborting them.

 

[Hang 10]

Anyone here a fan of setting aside their political differences and meeting in the middle to endorse a commitment to reducing the number of abortions with the use of reasonable measures?

Sadly, not enough to make it happen in the political arena.

I bemoaned this a few pages back. The people who actually want to reduce the number of abortions and do things that would help that are few and far between. Most people use abortion as a political football without wanting to do anything to help the problem.

The only significant minority in the U.S. that are opposed to birth control are devout Catholics. If there is a political movement to cut off access to birth control it's not large enough to hold any sway.

Birth control access for kids and parental knowledge is certainly stickier, but I don't really see much political movement there. It's more a discussion on how young is too young and parent vs. school teaching.

I think the problems here mirror the gun control debate. Sensible changes are impossible because the defending position sees it as a movement towards a bigger goal. That position is easy to validate because some people DO see it as a movement to a bigger goal, but obviously not all. You could build a consensus amongst the majority, but the political will on the defensive side is likely too much to overcome.

This thread is part of a huge campaign to defund the organization that provides free birth control to the most at risk group for abortion. Whether or not they are against birth control in theory, they are definitely against planned parenthood getting federal dollars to provide birth control to poor, at risk young women, which seems like it will only make the problem worse.

They don't provide #### for free. Did you see how much of their revenue was our tax dollars? We are paying for all the "free" services. Why do we need planned parenthood when we have obamacare?

By "free" I mean that the person using the birth control doesn't have to pay for it. I assure you I don't need an economics lesson from you or a clarification of the word definition. I thought my use of the term was fairly obvious.

You think abortion is a tragedy, right? The murder of innocent babies? Yet you're against using tax dollars for programs that actually reduce abortions. Why is that?

Because I think throwing money at a problem is stupid. War on drugs. War on poverty. Plus we already do many of things you suggest. People have access to free contraception and their already are welfare for single mothers.

 

[Hang 10]

Honestly, I can easily say that I'd rather someone profit from selling babies than aborting them.

Great! We're getting somewhere. You would rather see women carry their babies to term, deliver them, and adopt them to families who want to adopt. Put on your economist hat. What could we as a society do to accomplish that goal that would have as few externalities as possible?

One could definitely make an assload of money were this legal.

 

[tommyboy]

Much of the outrage from many (in this thread and elsewhere) against PP is that abortion is their "cash cow". The Services number is irrelevant if this argument has any relevance. Revenue would be far more important.

This is bull####. If they were charging more for these other services to subsidize cheaper abortions, you anti-choice folks would be throwing even more a fit. Instead, they are over-charging for abortions to more easily provide cheaper screening/birth control options.

this is like the poster child for a crappy, emotion filled argument

 

[timschochet]

Question for those of you who are pro-life:

If the House Republicans go through with their threat in October to shut down the government rather than accept a budget that continues to fund Planned Parenthood, would you approve of that move? Yes or no?

 

[tommyboy]

Question for those of you who are pro-life:

If the House Republicans go through with their threat in October to shut down the government rather than accept a budget that continues to fund Planned Parenthood, would you approve of that move? Yes or no?

if the Republican that were swept into office in a wave election of historical proportions actually did something ballsy, it would shock me.

 

[Fennis]

I personally see little issue with the number of abortions, but if people have a desire to reduce them, by having their churches provide free/low cost contraceptives I am supportive of that. Providing additional sex education would also be very beneficial.

OTOH, I would strongly oppose a ban on using fetal tissue for medical research, which sounds like the direction this may go.

That seems like quite a leap from where we are now. What leads you to this conclusion?

Because Republicans.

The Arkansas legislature passed a bill this year that requires burial n a “respectful manner.

Wisconsin Republicans are pushing similar legislation

A Republican congressman is drafting a similar bill at the federal bill.

There are many more examples.

 

[jonessed]

Question for those of you who are pro-life:

If the House Republicans go through with their threat in October to shut down the government rather than accept a budget that continues to fund Planned Parenthood, would you approve of that move? Yes or no?

The House Republicans can't shut anything down without their leadership on board. Boehner has already shown he will cut a deal with the Dems if it comes to that. This is much ado about nothing.

 

[jonessed]

I personally see little issue with the number of abortions, but if people have a desire to reduce them, by having their churches provide free/low cost contraceptives I am supportive of that. Providing additional sex education would also be very beneficial.

OTOH, I would strongly oppose a ban on using fetal tissue for medical research, which sounds like the direction this may go.

That seems like quite a leap from where we are now. What leads you to this conclusion?

Because Republicans.

The Arkansas legislature passed a bill this year that requires burial n a respectful manner.

Wisconsin Republicans are pushing similar legislation

A Republican congressman is drafting a similar bill at the federal bill.

There are many more examples.

I see. I thought you were talking about action at a federal level.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Enough of this killing babies and selling their parts.

Did you hear someone shot and killed a lion? A LION! And not just any lion, a lion with a name!

 

[shader]

The latest video is absolutely appalling. I'm sure some in here won't mind seeing a moving baby in a pan that has been/is about to be executed.

The Nazis did a lot of good things, but they were shut down because of the horrible things they did.

The same should apply to Planned Parenthood.

Disgusting, horrific people.

I knew they were building to something.

 

[Scoresman]

and there's the nazi comparison. time to shut it down.

 

[sublimeone]

and there's the nazi comparison. time to shut it down.

While Godwin's Law is once again proven, the comparison here is an apt one as the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a racist eugenicist.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/5/grossu-margaret-sanger-eugenicist/

 

[Bucky86]

Did somebody say Nazis?!!?!?

 

[matuski]

A RACIST EUGENICIST!!!

 

[SacramentoBob]

I'm glad I haven't seen any of these videos. Disgusting people that should be in jail.

 

[Johnnymac]

Happened to see a few hours of the president of PP testifying before some bs house committee. Did anyone else see this travesty? Most of the repubs wouldn't even let her answer their own ####### questions. It was an embarrassment. It really did show how the GOP have lost their collective minds.

 

[urbanhack]

Happened to see a few hours of the president of PP testifying before some bs house committee. Did anyone else see this travesty? Most of the repubs wouldn't even let her answer their own ####### questions. It was an embarrassment. It really did show how the GOP have lost their collective minds.

Yes. it was pathetic. The best was the bogus chart they tried to throw up and say the data was from the PP annual report.

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/29/9417845/planned-parenthood-terrible-chart

 

[MaxThreshold]

Happened to see a few hours of the president of PP testifying before some bs house committee. Did anyone else see this travesty? Most of the repubs wouldn't even let her answer their own ####### questions. It was an embarrassment. It really did show how the GOP have lost their collective minds.

Really? Seems like a lot was said and a lot more was even learned.

Here are 9 important takeaways from today’s testimony:

1) Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards confirms that some Planned Parenthood affiliates sell the body parts of aborted babies.

2) Planned Parenthood clinics perform zero mammograms. None.

3) Planned Parenthood Receives Taxpayer Subsidies, Throws Big Parties

4) Planned Parenthood Refuses to Admit How Much Money They Make on Abortions

5) Planned Parenthood Cancer Screenings on the Decline, While Abortions on the Rise

6) Planned Parenthood Uses their Organizational Structure to Avoid Tough Questions

7) Planned Parenthood Provides Fewer Services than Federally Qualified Health Centers

8) Planned Parenthood Officials Visited the Obama White House 151 Times in the Last Six Years

9) Planned Parenthood fights higher medical standards while claiming they are exactly like hospitals and other health care centers.

 

[Johnnymac]

Happened to see a few hours of the president of PP testifying before some bs house committee. Did anyone else see this travesty? Most of the repubs wouldn't even let her answer their own ####### questions. It was an embarrassment. It really did show how the GOP have lost their collective minds.

Really? Seems like a lot was said and a lot more was even learned.

Here are 9 important takeaways from today’s testimony:

1) Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards confirms that some Planned Parenthood affiliates sell the body parts of aborted babies.

2) Planned Parenthood clinics perform zero mammograms. None.

3) Planned Parenthood Receives Taxpayer Subsidies, Throws Big Parties

4) Planned Parenthood Refuses to Admit How Much Money They Make on Abortions

5) Planned Parenthood Cancer Screenings on the Decline, While Abortions on the Rise

6) Planned Parenthood Uses their Organizational Structure to Avoid Tough Questions

7) Planned Parenthood Provides Fewer Services than Federally Qualified Health Centers

8) Planned Parenthood Officials Visited the Obama White House 151 Times in the Last Six Years

9) Planned Parenthood fights higher medical standards while claiming they are exactly like hospitals and other health care centers.

If you believe all of that it tells me you must have missed the hearing.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Happened to see a few hours of the president of PP testifying before some bs house committee. Did anyone else see this travesty? Most of the repubs wouldn't even let her answer their own ####### questions. It was an embarrassment. It really did show how the GOP have lost their collective minds.

Really? Seems like a lot was said and a lot more was even learned.

Here are 9 important takeaways from today’s testimony:

1) Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards confirms that some Planned Parenthood affiliates sell the body parts of aborted babies.

2) Planned Parenthood clinics perform zero mammograms. None.

3) Planned Parenthood Receives Taxpayer Subsidies, Throws Big Parties

4) Planned Parenthood Refuses to Admit How Much Money They Make on Abortions

5) Planned Parenthood Cancer Screenings on the Decline, While Abortions on the Rise

6) Planned Parenthood Uses their Organizational Structure to Avoid Tough Questions

7) Planned Parenthood Provides Fewer Services than Federally Qualified Health Centers

8) Planned Parenthood Officials Visited the Obama White House 151 Times in the Last Six Years

9) Planned Parenthood fights higher medical standards while claiming they are exactly like hospitals and other health care centers.

If you believe all of that it tells me you must have missed the hearing.

Is there something factually wrong with them?

 

[Johnnymac]

Happened to see a few hours of the president of PP testifying before some bs house committee. Did anyone else see this travesty? Most of the repubs wouldn't even let her answer their own ####### questions. It was an embarrassment. It really did show how the GOP have lost their collective minds.

Really? Seems like a lot was said and a lot more was even learned.

Here are 9 important takeaways from today’s testimony:

1) Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards confirms that some Planned Parenthood affiliates sell the body parts of aborted babies.

2) Planned Parenthood clinics perform zero mammograms. None.

3) Planned Parenthood Receives Taxpayer Subsidies, Throws Big Parties

4) Planned Parenthood Refuses to Admit How Much Money They Make on Abortions

5) Planned Parenthood Cancer Screenings on the Decline, While Abortions on the Rise

6) Planned Parenthood Uses their Organizational Structure to Avoid Tough Questions

7) Planned Parenthood Provides Fewer Services than Federally Qualified Health Centers

8) Planned Parenthood Officials Visited the Obama White House 151 Times in the Last Six Years

9) Planned Parenthood fights higher medical standards while claiming they are exactly like hospitals and other health care centers.

If you believe all of that it tells me you must have missed the hearing.

Is there something factually wrong with them?

Yes

 

[Hang 10]

Was interesting to find out that abortions make up 3% of PP's services but makeup 86% of their revenue.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Was interesting to find out that abortions make up 3% of PP's services but makeup 86% of their revenue.

Apparently you missed the hearing as well. Johnnymac will give us the truth shortly.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Happened to see a few hours of the president of PP testifying before some bs house committee. Did anyone else see this travesty? Most of the repubs wouldn't even let her answer their own ####### questions. It was an embarrassment. It really did show how the GOP have lost their collective minds.

Really? Seems like a lot was said and a lot more was even learned.

Here are 9 important takeaways from today’s testimony:

1) Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards confirms that some Planned Parenthood affiliates sell the body parts of aborted babies.

2) Planned Parenthood clinics perform zero mammograms. None.

3) Planned Parenthood Receives Taxpayer Subsidies, Throws Big Parties

4) Planned Parenthood Refuses to Admit How Much Money They Make on Abortions

5) Planned Parenthood Cancer Screenings on the Decline, While Abortions on the Rise

6) Planned Parenthood Uses their Organizational Structure to Avoid Tough Questions

7) Planned Parenthood Provides Fewer Services than Federally Qualified Health Centers

8) Planned Parenthood Officials Visited the Obama White House 151 Times in the Last Six Years

9) Planned Parenthood fights higher medical standards while claiming they are exactly like hospitals and other health care centers.

If you believe all of that it tells me you must have missed the hearing.

Is there something factually wrong with them?

Yes

Please show your work. TIA!

 

[Amused to Death]

Happened to see a few hours of the president of PP testifying before some bs house committee. Did anyone else see this travesty? Most of the repubs wouldn't even let her answer their own ####### questions. It was an embarrassment. It really did show how the GOP have lost their collective minds.

Really? Seems like a lot was said and a lot more was even learned.

Here are 9 important takeaways from today’s testimony:

1) Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards confirms that some Planned Parenthood affiliates sell the body parts of aborted babies.

2) Planned Parenthood clinics perform zero mammograms. None.

3) Planned Parenthood Receives Taxpayer Subsidies, Throws Big Parties

4) Planned Parenthood Refuses to Admit How Much Money They Make on Abortions

5) Planned Parenthood Cancer Screenings on the Decline, While Abortions on the Rise

6) Planned Parenthood Uses their Organizational Structure to Avoid Tough Questions

7) Planned Parenthood Provides Fewer Services than Federally Qualified Health Centers

8) Planned Parenthood Officials Visited the Obama White House 151 Times in the Last Six Years

9) Planned Parenthood fights higher medical standards while claiming they are exactly like hospitals and other health care centers.

1. Who's buying fetus tissue?

2. Mammograms are performed at radiology clinics. My wife is referred to a one by her private OB/Gyn and the results are sent back to her doctor. SOP.

3. Do you realize the fake chart was graphically wrong? What's the % rise in abortions over the time period of the chart?

Do you think PP has done good work overall?

 

[Hang 10]

PP also has a lobbying arm and makes political donations. No conflicts of interest there!

 

[MaxThreshold]

Happened to see a few hours of the president of PP testifying before some bs house committee. Did anyone else see this travesty? Most of the repubs wouldn't even let her answer their own ####### questions. It was an embarrassment. It really did show how the GOP have lost their collective minds.

Really? Seems like a lot was said and a lot more was even learned.

Here are 9 important takeaways from today’s testimony:

1) Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards confirms that some Planned Parenthood affiliates sell the body parts of aborted babies.

2) Planned Parenthood clinics perform zero mammograms. None.

3) Planned Parenthood Receives Taxpayer Subsidies, Throws Big Parties

4) Planned Parenthood Refuses to Admit How Much Money They Make on Abortions

5) Planned Parenthood Cancer Screenings on the Decline, While Abortions on the Rise

6) Planned Parenthood Uses their Organizational Structure to Avoid Tough Questions

7) Planned Parenthood Provides Fewer Services than Federally Qualified Health Centers

8) Planned Parenthood Officials Visited the Obama White House 151 Times in the Last Six Years

9) Planned Parenthood fights higher medical standards while claiming they are exactly like hospitals and other health care centers.

1. Who's buying fetus tissue?

2. Mammograms are performed at radiology clinics. My wife is referred to a one by her private OB/Gyn and the results are sent back to her doctor. SOP.

3. Do you realize the fake chart was graphically wrong? What's the % rise in abortions over the time period of the chart?

Do you think PP has done good work overall?

1. Ask Celia Richards - she's admitted selling to the parts so whoever she's selling them to for "fetal tissue research"
2. Why does PP need funding for Mammograms if someone else is doing them?
3. Which "fake" chart would you be speaking about?

Doing "good work overall" doesn't give you a pass if you're killing babies.

 

[Johnnymac]

Happened to see a few hours of the president of PP testifying before some bs house committee. Did anyone else see this travesty? Most of the repubs wouldn't even let her answer their own ####### questions. It was an embarrassment. It really did show how the GOP have lost their collective minds.

Really? Seems like a lot was said and a lot more was even learned.

Here are 9 important takeaways from today’s testimony:

1) Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards confirms that some Planned Parenthood affiliates sell the body parts of aborted babies.

2) Planned Parenthood clinics perform zero mammograms. None.

3) Planned Parenthood Receives Taxpayer Subsidies, Throws Big Parties

4) Planned Parenthood Refuses to Admit How Much Money They Make on Abortions

5) Planned Parenthood Cancer Screenings on the Decline, While Abortions on the Rise

6) Planned Parenthood Uses their Organizational Structure to Avoid Tough Questions

7) Planned Parenthood Provides Fewer Services than Federally Qualified Health Centers

8) Planned Parenthood Officials Visited the Obama White House 151 Times in the Last Six Years

9) Planned Parenthood fights higher medical standards while claiming they are exactly like hospitals and other health care centers.

If you believe all of that it tells me you must have missed the hearing.

Is there something factually wrong with them?

Yes

Please show your work. TIA!

I would recommend doing some real research instead of going to a pro-life website to find out about PP and what they do or dont do.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Happened to see a few hours of the president of PP testifying before some bs house committee. Did anyone else see this travesty? Most of the repubs wouldn't even let her answer their own ####### questions. It was an embarrassment. It really did show how the GOP have lost their collective minds.

Really? Seems like a lot was said and a lot more was even learned.

Here are 9 important takeaways from today’s testimony:

1) Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards confirms that some Planned Parenthood affiliates sell the body parts of aborted babies.

2) Planned Parenthood clinics perform zero mammograms. None.

3) Planned Parenthood Receives Taxpayer Subsidies, Throws Big Parties

4) Planned Parenthood Refuses to Admit How Much Money They Make on Abortions

5) Planned Parenthood Cancer Screenings on the Decline, While Abortions on the Rise

6) Planned Parenthood Uses their Organizational Structure to Avoid Tough Questions

7) Planned Parenthood Provides Fewer Services than Federally Qualified Health Centers

8) Planned Parenthood Officials Visited the Obama White House 151 Times in the Last Six Years

9) Planned Parenthood fights higher medical standards while claiming they are exactly like hospitals and other health care centers.

If you believe all of that it tells me you must have missed the hearing.

Is there something factually wrong with them?

Yes

Please show your work. TIA!

I would recommend doing some real research instead of going to a pro-life website to find out about PP and what they do or dont do.

I'm asking you to show your work. You're the one who said that the 9 points were factually incorrect.

And by "real research" you mean Daily Kos? HuffPo? MSNBC? amiright?

 

[Johnnymac]

Happened to see a few hours of the president of PP testifying before some bs house committee. Did anyone else see this travesty? Most of the repubs wouldn't even let her answer their own ####### questions. It was an embarrassment. It really did show how the GOP have lost their collective minds.

Really? Seems like a lot was said and a lot more was even learned.

Here are 9 important takeaways from today’s testimony:

1) Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards confirms that some Planned Parenthood affiliates sell the body parts of aborted babies.

2) Planned Parenthood clinics perform zero mammograms. None.

3) Planned Parenthood Receives Taxpayer Subsidies, Throws Big Parties

4) Planned Parenthood Refuses to Admit How Much Money They Make on Abortions

5) Planned Parenthood Cancer Screenings on the Decline, While Abortions on the Rise

6) Planned Parenthood Uses their Organizational Structure to Avoid Tough Questions

7) Planned Parenthood Provides Fewer Services than Federally Qualified Health Centers

8) Planned Parenthood Officials Visited the Obama White House 151 Times in the Last Six Years

9) Planned Parenthood fights higher medical standards while claiming they are exactly like hospitals and other health care centers.

1. Who's buying fetus tissue?

2. Mammograms are performed at radiology clinics. My wife is referred to a one by her private OB/Gyn and the results are sent back to her doctor. SOP.

3. Do you realize the fake chart was graphically wrong? What's the % rise in abortions over the time period of the chart?

Do you think PP has done good work overall?

1. Ask Celia Richards - she's admitted selling to the parts so whoever she's selling them to for "fetal tissue research"
2. Why does PP need funding for Mammograms if someone else is doing them?
3. Which "fake" chart would you be speaking about?

Doing "good work overall" doesn't give you a pass if you're killing babies.

1. She did not admit to selling body parts. PP is involved in fetal tissue research in that they provide tissues to research facilities. They only collect money for their cost of providng those tissues. They don't "profit" from it. In fact, PP is a non-profit organization. Also, they have 2 facilities in the entire country that do this service. It's a very small part of what they do.

2. PP is like any other health care physician service. They do "breast exams", not mammograms. They NEVER have done mammograms. They refer women to radiological health care providers for mammograms, just like any other womens health care physician.

3. The committee made a chart showing something (not sure what it was) but it was pointed out by Richards that the chart was came from a pro-life group.

They perform abortions as a part of their service. Abortion is LEGAL in the USA.

 

[Johnnymac]

Happened to see a few hours of the president of PP testifying before some bs house committee. Did anyone else see this travesty? Most of the repubs wouldn't even let her answer their own ####### questions. It was an embarrassment. It really did show how the GOP have lost their collective minds.

Really? Seems like a lot was said and a lot more was even learned.

Here are 9 important takeaways from today’s testimony:

1) Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards confirms that some Planned Parenthood affiliates sell the body parts of aborted babies.

2) Planned Parenthood clinics perform zero mammograms. None.

3) Planned Parenthood Receives Taxpayer Subsidies, Throws Big Parties

4) Planned Parenthood Refuses to Admit How Much Money They Make on Abortions

5) Planned Parenthood Cancer Screenings on the Decline, While Abortions on the Rise

6) Planned Parenthood Uses their Organizational Structure to Avoid Tough Questions

7) Planned Parenthood Provides Fewer Services than Federally Qualified Health Centers

8) Planned Parenthood Officials Visited the Obama White House 151 Times in the Last Six Years

9) Planned Parenthood fights higher medical standards while claiming they are exactly like hospitals and other health care centers.

If you believe all of that it tells me you must have missed the hearing.

Is there something factually wrong with them?

Yes

Please show your work. TIA!

I would recommend doing some real research instead of going to a pro-life website to find out about PP and what they do or dont do.

I'm asking you to show your work. You're the one who said that the 9 points were factually incorrect.

And by "real research" you mean Daily Kos? HuffPo? MSNBC? amiright?

I'm asking you to do your own research. Not sure what Daily Kos or Huffpo are. I dont have cable so dont watch MSNBC.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Happened to see a few hours of the president of PP testifying before some bs house committee. Did anyone else see this travesty? Most of the repubs wouldn't even let her answer their own ####### questions. It was an embarrassment. It really did show how the GOP have lost their collective minds.

Really? Seems like a lot was said and a lot more was even learned.

Here are 9 important takeaways from today’s testimony:

1) Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards confirms that some Planned Parenthood affiliates sell the body parts of aborted babies.

2) Planned Parenthood clinics perform zero mammograms. None.

3) Planned Parenthood Receives Taxpayer Subsidies, Throws Big Parties

4) Planned Parenthood Refuses to Admit How Much Money They Make on Abortions

5) Planned Parenthood Cancer Screenings on the Decline, While Abortions on the Rise

6) Planned Parenthood Uses their Organizational Structure to Avoid Tough Questions

7) Planned Parenthood Provides Fewer Services than Federally Qualified Health Centers

8) Planned Parenthood Officials Visited the Obama White House 151 Times in the Last Six Years

9) Planned Parenthood fights higher medical standards while claiming they are exactly like hospitals and other health care centers.

If you believe all of that it tells me you must have missed the hearing.

Is there something factually wrong with them?

Yes

Please show your work. TIA!

I would recommend doing some real research instead of going to a pro-life website to find out about PP and what they do or dont do.

I'm asking you to show your work. You're the one who said that the 9 points were factually incorrect.

And by "real research" you mean Daily Kos? HuffPo? MSNBC? amiright?

I'm asking you to do your own research. Not sure what Daily Kos or Huffpo are. I dont have cable so dont watch MSNBC.

Well, whatever. The onus is on you to defend your statement, not me. I did the research which is why I posted what I did.

I don't believe for one second you don't know what DailyKos or Huffpo are. The fact that you are on a FBG message board betrays your claim.

 

[Fennis]

PP also has a lobbying arm and makes political donations. No conflicts of interest there!

that explains where the baby arms went

 

[shadrap]

PP also has a lobbying arm and makes political donations. No conflicts of interest there!

that explains where the baby arms went

If that's your attempt at humor, please keep your day job. Holly cripes man.