Planned Parenthood leaked video (1 Viewer)

[Amused to Death]

They perform abortions as a part of their service. Abortion is LEGAL in the USA.

And this is the important point. So far there has been NO evidence of wrong-doing, yet the pro-birthers are trying to push their agenda. When a law has been broken, then punish. Abortion is legal and safe.

They sell the tissue for medial research - research for cures for childhood diabetes, leukemia and other horrible illnesses and diseases.

 

[Amused to Death]

Editorial from local paper:

GOP endorsed fetal tissue research long before Planned Parenthood smear

Congressional Republicans are pondering a shutdown of the government over the funding of Planned Parenthood, because through their opaque political prism, they only see the health care provider as a full-time abortion mill that sells fetal parts to the highest bidder.

None of that is true, but Planned Parenthood has been smeared in a video sting operation by an anti-abortion group called the Center for Medical Progress, which conveniently omits the importance of fetal tissue in medical research.

This issue has always pitted right-to-life advocates against researchers who believe that the use of the tissue shows extraordinary promise in the treatment of juvenile diabetes, Parkinson's disease and leukemia.

Actually, fetal tissue is currently being used in more than 150 different medical research projects. Currently, it is used to study connectivity in the brain at Yale; the pathogenesis of neonatal lupus at the NYU School of Medicine; the study of endocrine cell development at the Cincinnati's Children's Hospital Medical Center; vision restoration at Cal-Irvine; neurodevelopmental disorders at Stanford; and scores of other worthy projects that can be found at the National Institutes for Health website.

But a group of ideologues want to close the spigot, because they saw a heavily-edited video that suggested fetuses were sold by Planned Parenthood for surreptitious purposes – a claim widely discredited.

The American people aren't as gullible, and they understand how and why Planned Parenthood sends fetal tissue only to medical researchers, and that under federal law it can be reimbursed only for the cost of obtaining, transferring, and maintaining the tissue.

Indeed, the imagery of a fetus in one video makes this a volatile subject, as a video of any surgical procedure involving a cadaver would be disturbing. It has been this way for decades.

But there have been two federal committees who examined the issue from a legal, ethical, and scientific standpoint, and both concluded that the research was not only medically invaluable, but ethically acceptable.

The most recent was the Human Fetal Tissue Transplantation Research advisory committee, which convened at the NIH in December of 1988 on the order of President Reagan, who had placed a moratorium on its funding.

That panel was chaired by a federal judge named Arlin Adams, a pro-life Republican, and it voted 18-3 to approve of the research – as long as the use of the tissue did not encourage women to have abortions they might not otherwise undertake.

In other words, the woman can be asked to give her consent to donate the remains only after she has decided to have an abortion.

"Using human fetal tissue does not signify approval of abortion," the panel said, just as "organ transplantation from homicide and accident victims does not mean that society approves of homicide or encourages accidents."

It would take four more years for funding to be restored in the NIH Revitalization Act. John McCain, one of the 30 GOP votes in 85-12 Senate landslide, famously wrote, "My abhorrence for the practice of abortion is unquestionable. Yet my abhorrence for these diseases and the suffering they cause is just as strong."

The funding has held ever since, and Americans understand the value of the research, and they aren't oblivious to the source of the tissue: One poll says 61 percent oppose defunding Planned Parenthood; another poll says 9 percent want the GOP to shut down the government over the issue.

Neither is likely to happen. But that doesn't mean Congress is opposed to having budget negotiations and election cycles driven by slander.

 

[shadrap]

It is legal, but appears to me it's getting a little too pushed by PP. I like the research part but I don't like the abortion part. Can't have it both ways I guess. I will still never belittle someone that thinks it's right when I think it wrong.

 

[Johnnymac]

Please show your work. TIA!

I would recommend doing some real research instead of going to a pro-life website to find out about PP and what they do or dont do.

I'm asking you to show your work. You're the one who said that the 9 points were factually incorrect.

And by "real research" you mean Daily Kos? HuffPo? MSNBC? amiright?

I'm asking you to do your own research. Not sure what Daily Kos or Huffpo are. I dont have cable so dont watch MSNBC.

Well, whatever. The onus is on you to defend your statement, not me. I did the research which is why I posted what I did.

I don't believe for one second you don't know what DailyKos or Huffpo are. The fact that you are on a FBG message board betrays your claim.

Your "research" came from a pro-life website.

I honestly don't know what huffpro and dailykos are, assuming they are websites that lean the opposite of your ideology.

Look, PP does good work, in fact they are vital for many poor people in this country. If the right wing is so concerned about the funding of PP I would like to know how they are going to fund the thousands of children that are born because places like PP are not around? If they think the cost is too high now, just wait and see what the cost will be without access to birth control and abortions.

 

[MaxThreshold]

They perform abortions as a part of their service. Abortion is LEGAL in the USA.

And this is the important point. So far there has been NO evidence of wrong-doing, yet the pro-birthers are trying to push their agenda. When a law has been broken, then punish. Abortion is legal and safe.

They sell the tissue for medial research - research for cures for childhood diabetes, leukemia and other horrible illnesses and diseases.

So...they have to kill a baby to save a baby?

 

[MaxThreshold]

I honestly don't know what huffpro and dailykos are, assuming they are websites that lean the opposite of your ideology.

Look, PP does good work, in fact they are vital for many poor people in this country. If the right wing is so concerned about the funding of PP I would like to know how they are going to fund the thousands of children that are born because places like PP are not around? If they think the cost is too high now, just wait and see what the cost will be without access to birth control and abortions.

If you're killing babies no amount of "good work" should give you a pass.

Also, what about these places?

 

[Johnnymac]

I honestly don't know what huffpro and dailykos are, assuming they are websites that lean the opposite of your ideology.

Look, PP does good work, in fact they are vital for many poor people in this country. If the right wing is so concerned about the funding of PP I would like to know how they are going to fund the thousands of children that are born because places like PP are not around? If they think the cost is too high now, just wait and see what the cost will be without access to birth control and abortions.

If you're killing babies no amount of "good work" should give you a pass.

Also, what about these places?

You can call it whatever you want, I prefer "abortion" to "killing babies". The fact is abortion is legal. PP is not breaking any law.

What about those places? PP sees 2.7 million patients a year, many of them choose PP over other providers that are available for them to go see. Many of those places may not take on more medicaid patients, which is most of PP's patient population. Why can't we have those places and PP?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I honestly don't know what huffpro and dailykos are, assuming they are websites that lean the opposite of your ideology.

Look, PP does good work, in fact they are vital for many poor people in this country. If the right wing is so concerned about the funding of PP I would like to know how they are going to fund the thousands of children that are born because places like PP are not around? If they think the cost is too high now, just wait and see what the cost will be without access to birth control and abortions.

If you're killing babies no amount of "good work" should give you a pass.

Also, what about these places?

Glad Eric Rudolph is allowed to use the internet in Supermax, says how far we've come as a nation.

 

[Amused to Death]

They perform abortions as a part of their service. Abortion is LEGAL in the USA.

And this is the important point. So far there has been NO evidence of wrong-doing, yet the pro-birthers are trying to push their agenda. When a law has been broken, then punish. Abortion is legal and safe.

They sell the tissue for medial research - research for cures for childhood diabetes, leukemia and other horrible illnesses and diseases.

So...they have to kill a baby to save a baby?

So you think PP talks people into having abortions? Or maybe they just take advantage of the tissue that already going to be aborted?

 

[tommyboy]

I honestly don't know what huffpro and dailykos are, assuming they are websites that lean the opposite of your ideology.

Look, PP does good work, in fact they are vital for many poor people in this country. If the right wing is so concerned about the funding of PP I would like to know how they are going to fund the thousands of children that are born because places like PP are not around? If they think the cost is too high now, just wait and see what the cost will be without access to birth control and abortions.

If you're killing babies no amount of "good work" should give you a pass.

Also, what about these places?

You can call it whatever you want, I prefer "abortion" to "killing babies". The fact is abortion is legal. PP is not breaking any law.

What about those places? PP sees 2.7 million patients a year, many of them choose PP over other providers that are available for them to go see. Many of those places may not take on more medicaid patients, which is most of PP's patient population. Why can't we have those places and PP?

you can. PP can raise enough money from fundraisers and their own work to fund themselves, without the need for taxpayer subsidies.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

They perform abortions as a part of their service. Abortion is LEGAL in the USA.

And this is the important point. So far there has been NO evidence of wrong-doing, yet the pro-birthers are trying to push their agenda. When a law has been broken, then punish. Abortion is legal and safe.

They sell the tissue for medial research - research for cures for childhood diabetes, leukemia and other horrible illnesses and diseases.

So...they have to kill a baby to save a baby?

So you think PP talks people into having abortions? Or maybe they just take advantage of the tissue that already going to be aborted?

Max is not going to present facts, he's pretty much PFC Hyperbole round these parts. HTH.

 

[Hang 10]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

 

[tommyboy]

my read on this dispute is that conservatives don't want federal funding of PP. Liberals don't want to remove federal funding. That's a pretty simple argument to have, why don't we just focus on that.

 

[glvsav37]

I know I'm going to regret jumping into this tread....but

Regardless of which side you fall on, I'm really tired of the people and the politicans who harp on "our tax dollars are being spent on this..." I heard it over and over again during he hearings by the same government body that gave them the money in the first place. Then they act shocked that they even exist.

We don't live in an a la carte country. For every dollar that goes to PP, there are hundreds of millions of dollars that go to places that I may not agree with.

Military spending Getting funneled to private companies

Politicans private jets and lavish presidential trips

Aide going to countries that don't support us

Hell....I may not like the way my road is paved.

But the fact is, that if we nickel and dimed every dollar spent, I think you will find line items that dwarf PP in overall dollars spent and greater issues facing this country and people.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Because it's a service, a small part of what PP does. PP exists in Europe and elsewhere, it doesn't exist in place like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan because the people there don't take kindly to abortion, or assisting women in any way. I'd rather spend my tax dollars assisting women than I would giving the NRA tax breaks or subsidizing farmers to produce ethanol.

 

[General Malaise]

I know I'm going to regret jumping into this tread....but

Regardless of which side you fall on, I'm really tired of the people and the politicans who harp on "our tax dollars are being spent on this..." I heard it over and over again during he hearings by the same government body that gave them the money in the first place. Then they act shocked that they even exist.

We don't live in an a la carte country. For every dollar that goes to PP, there are hundreds of millions of dollars that go to places that I may not agree with.

Military spending Getting funneled to private companies

Politicans private jets and lavish presidential trips

Aide going to countries that don't support us

Hell....I may not like the way my road is paved.

But the fact is, that if we nickel and dimed every dollar spent, I think you will find line items that dwarf PP in overall dollars spent and greater issues facing this country and people.

Great posting.

 

[General Malaise]

I honestly don't know what huffpro and dailykos are, assuming they are websites that lean the opposite of your ideology.

Look, PP does good work, in fact they are vital for many poor people in this country. If the right wing is so concerned about the funding of PP I would like to know how they are going to fund the thousands of children that are born because places like PP are not around? If they think the cost is too high now, just wait and see what the cost will be without access to birth control and abortions.

If you're killing babies no amount of "good work" should give you a pass.

Also, what about these places?

You can call it whatever you want, I prefer "abortion" to "killing babies". The fact is abortion is legal. PP is not breaking any law.What about those places? PP sees 2.7 million patients a year, many of them choose PP over other providers that are available for them to go see. Many of those places may not take on more medicaid patients, which is most of PP's patient population. Why can't we have those places and PP?

you can. PP can raise enough money from fundraisers and their own work to fund themselves, without the need for taxpayer subsidies.

So wrong. You are smarter than this.

 

[Hang 10]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Because it's a service, a small part of what PP does. PP exists in Europe and elsewhere, it doesn't exist in place like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan because the people there don't take kindly to abortion, or assisting women in any way. I'd rather spend my tax dollars assisting women than I would giving the NRA tax breaks or subsidizing farmers to produce ethanol.

Abortion is not a small part. Not counting government funding, it represents 86% of their revenue.

 

[General Malaise]

Happened to see a few hours of the president of PP testifying before some bs house committee. Did anyone else see this travesty? Most of the repubs wouldn't even let her answer their own ####### questions. It was an embarrassment. It really did show how the GOP have lost their collective minds.

Really? Seems like a lot was said and a lot more was even learned.

Here are 9 important takeaways from todays testimony:

1) Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards confirms that some Planned Parenthood affiliates sell the body parts of aborted babies.

2) Planned Parenthood clinics perform zero mammograms. None.

3) Planned Parenthood Receives Taxpayer Subsidies, Throws Big Parties

4) Planned Parenthood Refuses to Admit How Much Money They Make on Abortions

5) Planned Parenthood Cancer Screenings on the Decline, While Abortions on the Rise

6) Planned Parenthood Uses their Organizational Structure to Avoid Tough Questions

7) Planned Parenthood Provides Fewer Services than Federally Qualified Health Centers

8) Planned Parenthood Officials Visited the Obama White House 151 Times in the Last Six Years

9) Planned Parenthood fights higher medical standards while claiming they are exactly like hospitals and other health care centers.

Jesus Christ...this reads like an email forward from my deranged cousin.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I know I'm going to regret jumping into this tread....but

Regardless of which side you fall on, I'm really tired of the people and the politicans who harp on "our tax dollars are being spent on this..." I heard it over and over again during he hearings by the same government body that gave them the money in the first place. Then they act shocked that they even exist.

We don't live in an a la carte country. For every dollar that goes to PP, there are hundreds of millions of dollars that go to places that I may not agree with.

Military spending Getting funneled to private companies

Politicans private jets and lavish presidential trips

Aide going to countries that don't support us

Hell....I may not like the way my road is paved.

But the fact is, that if we nickel and dimed every dollar spent, I think you will find line items that dwarf PP in overall dollars spent and greater issues facing this country and people.

We are aiding 96% of countries on earth and sinking $1.1 billion into Burkina Faso, neat.

The U.S. disbursed $33.2 billion—$19 billion in economic assistance to 184 countries and $14.2 billion in military assistance to 142 countries.

 

[General Malaise]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Because it's a service, a small part of what PP does. PP exists in Europe and elsewhere, it doesn't exist in place like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan because the people there don't take kindly to abortion, or assisting women in any way. I'd rather spend my tax dollars assisting women than I would giving the NRA tax breaks or subsidizing farmers to produce ethanol.

Abortion is not a small part. Not counting government funding, it represents 86% of their revenue.

As a college student, I would go to PP and get bags of condems for free. I would give these out to my fraternity brothers at chapter meetings. Free condems. Helped prevent unwanted pregnancy and spread of STDs. You want to explain to me why this is a bad thing? What other sources of revenue is there for PP?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Because it's a service, a small part of what PP does. PP exists in Europe and elsewhere, it doesn't exist in place like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan because the people there don't take kindly to abortion, or assisting women in any way. I'd rather spend my tax dollars assisting women than I would giving the NRA tax breaks or subsidizing farmers to produce ethanol.

Abortion is not a small part. Not counting government funding, it represents 86% of their revenue.

Did you read that at Redstate.com? I bet you did.

3% of their services are abortion-related.

 

[Hang 10]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Because it's a service, a small part of what PP does. PP exists in Europe and elsewhere, it doesn't exist in place like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan because the people there don't take kindly to abortion, or assisting women in any way. I'd rather spend my tax dollars assisting women than I would giving the NRA tax breaks or subsidizing farmers to produce ethanol.

Abortion is not a small part. Not counting government funding, it represents 86% of their revenue.

Did you read that at Redstate.com? I bet you did.

3% of their services are abortion-related.

You serious? There's a big difference between a percentage or services and percentage of revenue.

 

[Hang 10]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Because it's a service, a small part of what PP does. PP exists in Europe and elsewhere, it doesn't exist in place like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan because the people there don't take kindly to abortion, or assisting women in any way. I'd rather spend my tax dollars assisting women than I would giving the NRA tax breaks or subsidizing farmers to produce ethanol.

Abortion is not a small part. Not counting government funding, it represents 86% of their revenue.

As a college student, I would go to PP and get bags of condems for free. I would give these out to my fraternity brothers at chapter meetings. Free condems. Helped prevent unwanted pregnancy and spread of STDs. You want to explain to me why this is a bad thing? What other sources of revenue is there for PP?

Cool story, bro.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Because it's a service, a small part of what PP does. PP exists in Europe and elsewhere, it doesn't exist in place like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan because the people there don't take kindly to abortion, or assisting women in any way. I'd rather spend my tax dollars assisting women than I would giving the NRA tax breaks or subsidizing farmers to produce ethanol.

Abortion is not a small part. Not counting government funding, it represents 86% of their revenue.

As a college student, I would go to PP and get bags of condems for free. I would give these out to my fraternity brothers at chapter meetings. Free condems. Helped prevent unwanted pregnancy and spread of STDs. You want to explain to me why this is a bad thing? What other sources of revenue is there for PP?

Cool story, bro.

Sure it is, because that is the primary mission of PP. Contraception.

Redstate.com doesn't tell you this, I know. I know. I know.

 

[General Malaise]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Because it's a service, a small part of what PP does. PP exists in Europe and elsewhere, it doesn't exist in place like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan because the people there don't take kindly to abortion, or assisting women in any way. I'd rather spend my tax dollars assisting women than I would giving the NRA tax breaks or subsidizing farmers to produce ethanol.

Abortion is not a small part. Not counting government funding, it represents 86% of their revenue.

As a college student, I would go to PP and get bags of condems for free. I would give these out to my fraternity brothers at chapter meetings. Free condems. Helped prevent unwanted pregnancy and spread of STDs. You want to explain to me why this is a bad thing? What other sources of revenue is there for PP?

Cool story, bro.

This story is the closest you've ever come to a condom, isn't it?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Because it's a service, a small part of what PP does. PP exists in Europe and elsewhere, it doesn't exist in place like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan because the people there don't take kindly to abortion, or assisting women in any way. I'd rather spend my tax dollars assisting women than I would giving the NRA tax breaks or subsidizing farmers to produce ethanol.

Abortion is not a small part. Not counting government funding, it represents 86% of their revenue.

Did you read that at Redstate.com? I bet you did.

3% of their services are abortion-related.

You serious? There's a big difference between a percentage or services and percentage of revenue.

This article says that the revenue is no higher than 37%.

Who cares what the revenue is anyway? It's a non-for-profit. Of course an abortion costs more than giving out a condom, heart surgery cost more than a flu shot also FWIW.

 

[Amused to Death]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Its not. Not a dime of taxpayer money goes towards PP abortions*. That's what the Hyde amendment is for. Taxpayer money funds their other services. Why defund the other services like disease prevention and contraception? That would only lead to more (legal) abortions.

*except in extreme cases like rape, incest and life of mother.

 

[timschochet]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

It isn't. Wasn't that what the Hyde Amendment was all about?

 

[Hang 10]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Because it's a service, a small part of what PP does. PP exists in Europe and elsewhere, it doesn't exist in place like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan because the people there don't take kindly to abortion, or assisting women in any way. I'd rather spend my tax dollars assisting women than I would giving the NRA tax breaks or subsidizing farmers to produce ethanol.

Abortion is not a small part. Not counting government funding, it represents 86% of their revenue.

As a college student, I would go to PP and get bags of condems for free. I would give these out to my fraternity brothers at chapter meetings. Free condems. Helped prevent unwanted pregnancy and spread of STDs. You want to explain to me why this is a bad thing? What other sources of revenue is there for PP?

Cool story, bro.

This story is the closest you've ever come to a condom, isn't it?

Yeah, was never fond of wearing them.

 

[Hang 10]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Its not. Not a dime of taxpayer money goes towards PP abortions*. That's what the Hyde amendment is for. Taxpayer money funds their other services. Why defund the other services like disease prevention and contraception? That would only lead to more (legal) abortions.

*except in extreme cases like rape, incest and life of mother.

How the hell can you separate the money when it's one organization? Funding here causes them to spend different money else where.

 

[Johnnymac]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Its not. Not a dime of taxpayer money goes towards PP abortions*. That's what the Hyde amendment is for. Taxpayer money funds their other services. Why defund the other services like disease prevention and contraception? That would only lead to more (legal) abortions.

*except in extreme cases like rape, incest and life of mother.

How the hell can you separate the money when it's one organization? Funding here causes them to spend different money else where.

That's a fair point, at least I get the argument. I don't know how the money is separated but I do know that PP does not get a big check every year from the government. They are paid for the services they provide, much of that coming from state medicaid and title 10. Abortions are a very small percentage of the services they provide. I really don't have a problem with de-funding, as long as it does not affect their services. They provide a valuable service to millions of people, services that save the taxpayers money, not waste it. But hey, if they can survive without the govt funds, have at it. I just think this whole thing is about politics when you get right down to it. Our congress men and women want votes and I dont think they really give a #### about abortion.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Because it's a service, a small part of what PP does. PP exists in Europe and elsewhere, it doesn't exist in place like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan because the people there don't take kindly to abortion, or assisting women in any way. I'd rather spend my tax dollars assisting women than I would giving the NRA tax breaks or subsidizing farmers to produce ethanol.

Abortion is not a small part. Not counting government funding, it represents 86% of their revenue.

As a college student, I would go to PP and get bags of condems for free. I would give these out to my fraternity brothers at chapter meetings. Free condems. Helped prevent unwanted pregnancy and spread of STDs. You want to explain to me why this is a bad thing? What other sources of revenue is there for PP?

Cool story, bro.

This story is the closest you've ever come to a condom, isn't it?

Yeah, was never fond of wearing them.

Be careful mang

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I bet this thread would have 20 less pages if it was about immigrants using Planned Parenthood.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

In the end... this was a far bigger exposure of social conservatives then of PP.

 

[tommyboy]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Its not. Not a dime of taxpayer money goes towards PP abortions*. That's what the Hyde amendment is for. Taxpayer money funds their other services. Why defund the other services like disease prevention and contraception? That would only lead to more (legal) abortions.

*except in extreme cases like rape, incest and life of mother.

another fallacy. they have the revenue from the feds, its fungible. You can't sit there and watch where the money goes and guarantee it doesn't fund abortions. Unless they're spending millions on office supplies

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Its not. Not a dime of taxpayer money goes towards PP abortions*. That's what the Hyde amendment is for. Taxpayer money funds their other services. Why defund the other services like disease prevention and contraception? That would only lead to more (legal) abortions.

*except in extreme cases like rape, incest and life of mother.

another fallacy. they have the revenue from the feds, its fungible. You can't sit there and watch where the money goes and guarantee it doesn't fund abortions. Unless they're spending millions on office supplies

Get over it.

 

[General Malaise]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Its not. Not a dime of taxpayer money goes towards PP abortions*. That's what the Hyde amendment is for. Taxpayer money funds their other services. Why defund the other services like disease prevention and contraception? That would only lead to more (legal) abortions.*except in extreme cases like rape, incest and life of mother.

How the hell can you separate the money when it's one organization? Funding here causes them to spend different money else where.

That's a fair point, at least I get the argument. I don't know how the money is separated but I do know that PP does not get a big check every year from the government. They are paid for the services they provide, much of that coming from state medicaid and title 10. Abortions are a very small percentage of the services they provide. I really don't have a problem with de-funding, as long as it does not affect their services. They provide a valuable service to millions of people, services that save the taxpayers money, not waste it. But hey, if they can survive without the govt funds, have at it. I just think this whole thing is about politics when you get right down to it. Our congress men and women want votes and I dont think they really give a #### about abortion.

Excellent post.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Its not. Not a dime of taxpayer money goes towards PP abortions*. That's what the Hyde amendment is for. Taxpayer money funds their other services. Why defund the other services like disease prevention and contraception? That would only lead to more (legal) abortions.

*except in extreme cases like rape, incest and life of mother.

another fallacy. they have the revenue from the feds, its fungible. You can't sit there and watch where the money goes and guarantee it doesn't fund abortions. Unless they're spending millions on office supplies

Who cares? Abortion is legal in this country.

Again, there is a ton of #### my tax dollars go to that I don't agree with. I don't throw a ####### fit like a child like your ilk does, I accept that is part of bureaucracy and democracy. We can't always have 100% of what we want, unless of course we are narcissistic morons who think we are above the system. Oh wait, forgot who I was speaking to.

Carry on, Goebbels.

 

[General Malaise]

Really have a hard time believing that Tommy - or anybody here, frankly - loses sleep at night when a dirt poor Mexican teenager has an early term abortion because her uncle raped her...even if the PP abortion was su sidized by tax dollars.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Its not. Not a dime of taxpayer money goes towards PP abortions*. That's what the Hyde amendment is for. Taxpayer money funds their other services. Why defund the other services like disease prevention and contraception? That would only lead to more (legal) abortions.

*except in extreme cases like rape, incest and life of mother.

another fallacy. they have the revenue from the feds, its fungible. You can't sit there and watch where the money goes and guarantee it doesn't fund abortions. Unless they're spending millions on office supplies

Who cares? Abortion is legal in this country.

Again, there is a ton of #### my tax dollars go to that I don't agree with. I don't throw a ####### fit like a child like your ilk does, I accept that is part of bureaucracy and democracy. We can't always have 100% of what we want, unless of course we are narcissistic morons who think we are above the system. Oh wait, forgot who I was speaking to.

Carry on, Goebbels.

Looks like we found the real PFC Hyperbole.

 

[Sand]

Really have a hard time believing that Tommy - or anybody here, frankly - loses sleep at night when a dirt poor Mexican teenager has an early term abortion because her uncle raped her...even if the PP abortion was su sidized by tax dollars.

You really ought to issue an all points construction alert when building straw men like this.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Abortion is legal sure but why does it have to be funded by tax payers?

Its not. Not a dime of taxpayer money goes towards PP abortions*. That's what the Hyde amendment is for. Taxpayer money funds their other services. Why defund the other services like disease prevention and contraception? That would only lead to more (legal) abortions.

*except in extreme cases like rape, incest and life of mother.

another fallacy. they have the revenue from the feds, its fungible. You can't sit there and watch where the money goes and guarantee it doesn't fund abortions. Unless they're spending millions on office supplies

Who cares? Abortion is legal in this country.

Again, there is a ton of #### my tax dollars go to that I don't agree with. I don't throw a ####### fit like a child like your ilk does, I accept that is part of bureaucracy and democracy. We can't always have 100% of what we want, unless of course we are narcissistic morons who think we are above the system. Oh wait, forgot who I was speaking to.

Carry on, Goebbels.

Looks like we found the real PFC Hyperbole.

Even Tommyboy is better than you. And he's pretty close to the worst ever.

 

[General Malaise]

Really have a hard time believing that Tommy - or anybody here, frankly - loses sleep at night when a dirt poor Mexican teenager has an early term abortion because her uncle raped her...even if the PP abortion was su sidized by tax dollars.

You really ought to issue an all points construction alert when building straw men like this.

So that never happens?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Enough of this killing babies and selling their parts.

Did you hear someone shot and killed a lion? A LION! And not just any lion, a lion with a name!

Bump for PFC Hyperbole

You can't make this stuff up, only MaxDumb*** can deliver this kind of terrible.

 

[General Malaise]

Really have a hard time believing that Tommy - or anybody here, frankly - loses sleep at night when a dirt poor Mexican teenager has an early term abortion because her uncle raped her...even if the PP abortion was su sidized by tax dollars.

You really ought to issue an all points construction alert when building straw men like this.

You seem like a reasonable guy, decent stock man...why the public outcry over PP now? Why not 20 years ago? I don't get it.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Enough of this killing babies and selling their parts.

Did you hear someone shot and killed a lion? A LION! And not just any lion, a lion with a name!

Bump for PFC Hyperbole

You can't make this stuff up, only MaxDumb*** can deliver this kind of terrible.

This all you got? Really?

You try so hard and fail. Is that something you had to learn with constant practice or does it just come natural for you? I actually feel bad for you it's so pathetic.

 

[General Malaise]

Enough of this killing babies and selling their parts.

Did you hear someone shot and killed a lion? A LION! And not just any lion, a lion with a name!

Bump for PFC Hyperbole You can't make this stuff up, only MaxDumb*** can deliver this kind of terrible.

This all you got? Really?

You try so hard and fail. Is that something you had to learn with constant practice or does it just come natural for you? I actually feel bad for you it's so pathetic.

What did the lion have to do with PP?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Enough of this killing babies and selling their parts.

Did you hear someone shot and killed a lion? A LION! And not just any lion, a lion with a name!

Bump for PFC Hyperbole

You can't make this stuff up, only MaxDumb*** can deliver this kind of terrible.

This all you got? Really?

You try so hard and fail. Is that something you had to learn with constant practice or does it just come natural for you? I actually feel bad for you it's so pathetic.

1 star, left you a comment but you have to approve them because you get so many that tell you the truth.



1,2,3 his name is PFC Hyperbole!

 

[MaxThreshold]

Enough of this killing babies and selling their parts.

Did you hear someone shot and killed a lion? A LION! And not just any lion, a lion with a name!

Bump for PFC Hyperbole

You can't make this stuff up, only MaxDumb*** can deliver this kind of terrible.

This all you got? Really?

You try so hard and fail. Is that something you had to learn with constant practice or does it just come natural for you? I actually feel bad for you it's so pathetic.

1 star, left you a comment but you have to approve them because you get so many that tell you the truth.



1,2,3 his name is PFC Hyperbole!

Says the guy who brings the nazi references. Once again, fail - but you're probably used to that anyways.