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Plaxico Burress...time to stick a fork in him? (1 Viewer)

Sabertooth

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I was seriously contemplating inserting Lance Moore into the lineup this week instead of Burress. I found myself slapping myself in the head and saying "Hello McFly...Plaxico Burress!" Well, obviously Burress had only the one catch although he did score. His fantasy points on a per week basis have dipped 50% from last season's mark.

Is there any hope of a rebound? Have Steve Smith and others closed the gap to a point where Burress is just another option?

I am perfectly happy to put him on the bench for the stretch run here, but as I haven't been able to actually watch the G Men play, I was wondering if somebody could provide some insight and/or prognostication on Burress from here on out.

 
I was seriously contemplating inserting Lance Moore into the lineup this week instead of Burress. I found myself slapping myself in the head and saying "Hello McFly...Plaxico Burress!" Well, obviously Burress had only the one catch although he did score. His fantasy points on a per week basis have dipped 50% from last season's mark. Is there any hope of a rebound? Have Steve Smith and others closed the gap to a point where Burress is just another option? I am perfectly happy to put him on the bench for the stretch run here, but as I haven't been able to actually watch the G Men play, I was wondering if somebody could provide some insight and/or prognostication on Burress from here on out.
I think a large part of it are defenses are scheming to take Burress away in the passing game and forcing/daring Eli to find other receivers. Eli has been excellent in doing that and his other receivers are coming through. That and a healthy RB corps (not to mention Burress's suspension) has lead to a major dip in Burress production.Before the season is over, I'd expect the pendulum to swing back to Burress with some big games.I think he's a good "buy low" right now.
 
I am seriously considering cutting him for Matt Jones in one league (short benches so save the canned lines).

 
Sabertooth said:
I am seriously considering cutting him for Matt Jones in one league (short benches so save the canned lines).
Not a good idea. Forget the fact that Matt Jones has a three game suspension looming, you'd be crazy to release Burress for him.
 
Exactly why I traded him last offseason. Gave Burress, Romo, and TJones for Gore & #2 pick (Stewart). Wish I could have held onto Jones now, but so glad I got rid of Burress.

 
Avery said:
Sabertooth said:
I was seriously contemplating inserting Lance Moore into the lineup this week instead of Burress. I found myself slapping myself in the head and saying "Hello McFly...Plaxico Burress!" Well, obviously Burress had only the one catch although he did score. His fantasy points on a per week basis have dipped 50% from last season's mark. Is there any hope of a rebound? Have Steve Smith and others closed the gap to a point where Burress is just another option? I am perfectly happy to put him on the bench for the stretch run here, but as I haven't been able to actually watch the G Men play, I was wondering if somebody could provide some insight and/or prognostication on Burress from here on out.
I think a large part of it are defenses are scheming to take Burress away in the passing game and forcing/daring Eli to find other receivers. Eli has been excellent in doing that and his other receivers are coming through. That and a healthy RB corps (not to mention Burress's suspension) has lead to a major dip in Burress production.Before the season is over, I'd expect the pendulum to swing back to Burress with some big games.I think he's a good "buy low" right now.
Eli's a dork. He doesn't even look his way.
 
Someone mentioned the strong running game, and that's a big part of Burress' production drop IMO. The OL is among the very best in the league, and the running game has been dominant as a result. I think the team is averaging over 5 yards a carry or something like that - both Jacobs and Ward may get to 1K yards for the season.

One other thing that was mentioned is the lack of a credible threat alongside Plaxico. Say what you want about Shockey, but when he was there, he commanded a lot of attention that gave Plaxico more room to operate. Now, defenses have been increased focus on Burress, which have opened up opportunities for Smith, Boss and even old man Toomer.

The last thing, which may actually be the biggest factor, is a possible lack of hunger. Plax has his ring, has his big contract. While he may not quite be the same malcontent he used to be, the incentive to go all out may just not be there anymore.

 
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He certainly appears to just dissappear in games. He's obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed, but his production has really dipped this season. Is Manning making some kind of example out of him? Is Coughlin?

 
Just traded him for D. Ward in a deep redraft in which I've been hurting for a solid RB.

 
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Avery said:
Sabertooth said:
I was seriously contemplating inserting Lance Moore into the lineup this week instead of Burress. I found myself slapping myself in the head and saying "Hello McFly...Plaxico Burress!" Well, obviously Burress had only the one catch although he did score. His fantasy points on a per week basis have dipped 50% from last season's mark. Is there any hope of a rebound? Have Steve Smith and others closed the gap to a point where Burress is just another option? I am perfectly happy to put him on the bench for the stretch run here, but as I haven't been able to actually watch the G Men play, I was wondering if somebody could provide some insight and/or prognostication on Burress from here on out.
I think a large part of it are defenses are scheming to take Burress away in the passing game and forcing/daring Eli to find other receivers. Eli has been excellent in doing that and his other receivers are coming through. That and a healthy RB corps (not to mention Burress's suspension) has lead to a major dip in Burress production.Before the season is over, I'd expect the pendulum to swing back to Burress with some big games.I think he's a good "buy low" right now.
Eli's a dork. He doesn't even look his way.
They are 8-1 he doesnt need to look his way.
 
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Someone mentioned the strong running game, and that's a big part of Burress' production drop IMO. The OL is among the very best in the league, and the running game has been dominant as a result. I think the team is averaging over 5 yards a carry or something like that - both Jacobs and Ward may get to 1K yards for the season.

One other thing that was mentioned is the lack of a credible threat alongside Plaxico. Say what you want about Shockey, but when he was there, he commanded a lot of attention that gave Plaxico more room to operate. Now, defenses have been increased focus on Burress, which have opened up opportunities for Smith, Boss and even old man Toomer.

The last thing, which may actually be the biggest factor, is a possible lack of hunger. Plax has his ring, has his big contract. While he may not quite be the same malcontent he used to be, the incentive to go all out may just not be there anymore.
I always get a kick out of the attempted Shockey-Burress correlation. Last season Shockey was out most of the year and Plax did just fine. Actually this season I'd say the other WR's are better this year and that is why Burress has less targets. The G-men are moving the chains just fine without going for the deep ball very often. His presense on the field is important though.Your 3rd paragraph says it all. I can put some stock in the 1st paragraph, but the 2nd one is just hooey.

 
I don't understand why teams continue to try to shut him down with double teams all game long while they are getting run over by Jacobs and dink and dunked to death by Eli.

 
Someone mentioned the strong running game, and that's a big part of Burress' production drop IMO. The OL is among the very best in the league, and the running game has been dominant as a result. I think the team is averaging over 5 yards a carry or something like that - both Jacobs and Ward may get to 1K yards for the season.

One other thing that was mentioned is the lack of a credible threat alongside Plaxico. Say what you want about Shockey, but when he was there, he commanded a lot of attention that gave Plaxico more room to operate. Now, defenses have been increased focus on Burress, which have opened up opportunities for Smith, Boss and even old man Toomer.

The last thing, which may actually be the biggest factor, is a possible lack of hunger. Plax has his ring, has his big contract. While he may not quite be the same malcontent he used to be, the incentive to go all out may just not be there anymore.
I always get a kick out of the attempted Shockey-Burress correlation. Last season Shockey was out most of the year and Plax did just fine. Actually this season I'd say the other WR's are better this year and that is why Burress has less targets. The G-men are moving the chains just fine without going for the deep ball very often. His presense on the field is important though.Your 3rd paragraph says it all. I can put some stock in the 1st paragraph, but the 2nd one is just hooey.
Shockey only missed weeks 16 and 17. You may want to look before you leap.
 
Seriously considering dropping Burress for Mark Bradley right now. I also have Lance Moore and Santonio as potential drops but not seriously considering those guys. Well maybe Santonio.

 
It's simple, teams almost always leave a safety to cover Plax over the top, and he's not a great intermediate route runner. Add that to the fact that Eli doesnt throw a particularly good deep ball, atleast consistently.

 
Someone mentioned the strong running game, and that's a big part of Burress' production drop IMO. The OL is among the very best in the league, and the running game has been dominant as a result. I think the team is averaging over 5 yards a carry or something like that - both Jacobs and Ward may get to 1K yards for the season.

One other thing that was mentioned is the lack of a credible threat alongside Plaxico. Say what you want about Shockey, but when he was there, he commanded a lot of attention that gave Plaxico more room to operate. Now, defenses have been increased focus on Burress, which have opened up opportunities for Smith, Boss and even old man Toomer.

The last thing, which may actually be the biggest factor, is a possible lack of hunger. Plax has his ring, has his big contract. While he may not quite be the same malcontent he used to be, the incentive to go all out may just not be there anymore.
You're right Zamboni, he's twice the malcontent he used to be.
 
Seriously considering dropping Burress for Mark Bradley right now. I also have Lance Moore and Santonio as potential drops but not seriously considering those guys. Well maybe Santonio.
I'd do that in a heartbeat. Bradley gets more targets than Dwayne Bowe these days.
 
Someone mentioned the strong running game, and that's a big part of Burress' production drop IMO. The OL is among the very best in the league, and the running game has been dominant as a result. I think the team is averaging over 5 yards a carry or something like that - both Jacobs and Ward may get to 1K yards for the season.

One other thing that was mentioned is the lack of a credible threat alongside Plaxico. Say what you want about Shockey, but when he was there, he commanded a lot of attention that gave Plaxico more room to operate. Now, defenses have been increased focus on Burress, which have opened up opportunities for Smith, Boss and even old man Toomer.

The last thing, which may actually be the biggest factor, is a possible lack of hunger. Plax has his ring, has his big contract. While he may not quite be the same malcontent he used to be, the incentive to go all out may just not be there anymore.
You're right Zamboni, he's twice the malcontent he used to be.
I don't agree with the last part. Burress and all great WR's want "theirs" each and every game. These guys are selfish which is not particularly a bad thing to have out of a WR. Obviously you want them to be team players but selfish is not really a bad thing. I have watched pretty much every giant play this season and Burress has not received consistent targets game in and game out. The Giants have a great supporting cast and Eli is taking what the defense is giving him. S. Smith is killing teams in the slot and why would he force a ball into Burress when he has a LB trying to defend Smith. Teams are game planning to take away Burress in the passing game which sucks for fantasy but the giants are good enough else where that they are not forcing the ball into him. If something is working you don't need to change that; I mean the giants are 8 and 1.

In saying that Burress is still the Giants best play maker and one of the best red zone threats in the game and will still have some pretty good games going forward. He is a WR 1 on a good/great offensive team. I think he is a descent buy low going forward.

 
Someone mentioned the strong running game, and that's a big part of Burress' production drop IMO. The OL is among the very best in the league, and the running game has been dominant as a result. I think the team is averaging over 5 yards a carry or something like that - both Jacobs and Ward may get to 1K yards for the season.

One other thing that was mentioned is the lack of a credible threat alongside Plaxico. Say what you want about Shockey, but when he was there, he commanded a lot of attention that gave Plaxico more room to operate. Now, defenses have been increased focus on Burress, which have opened up opportunities for Smith, Boss and even old man Toomer.

The last thing, which may actually be the biggest factor, is a possible lack of hunger. Plax has his ring, has his big contract. While he may not quite be the same malcontent he used to be, the incentive to go all out may just not be there anymore.
You're right Zamboni, he's twice the malcontent he used to be.
I don't agree with the last part. Burress and all great WR's want "theirs" each and every game. These guys are selfish which is not particularly a bad thing to have out of a WR. Obviously you want them to be team players but selfish is not really a bad thing. I have watched pretty much every giant play this season and Burress has not received consistent targets game in and game out. The Giants have a great supporting cast and Eli is taking what the defense is giving him. S. Smith is killing teams in the slot and why would he force a ball into Burress when he has a LB trying to defend Smith. Teams are game planning to take away Burress in the passing game which sucks for fantasy but the giants are good enough else where that they are not forcing the ball into him. If something is working you don't need to change that; I mean the giants are 8 and 1.

In saying that Burress is still the Giants best play maker and one of the best red zone threats in the game and will still have some pretty good games going forward. He is a WR 1 on a good/great offensive team. I think he is a descent buy low going forward.
I think you kind of contradict yourself here a little bit. If teams continuously double Burress, why would Eli start treating him like a WR1? More of a WRBC type of thing with Burress as the redzone threat.
 
Seriously considering dropping Burress for Mark Bradley right now. I also have Lance Moore and Santonio as potential drops but not seriously considering those guys. Well maybe Santonio.
Starting Bradley over Buress this week. look for a big game from Burress
 
Championship + new contract + disgruntled + lazy + legal issues + issues at home + issues at work = Burress

Look what happened to Shockey after the G-Men got sick of his same sad story.

That being said, I think that once teams decide to fully commit to trying to stop the run vs the Giants then he may begin to see more targets. Plays like nothing is on the line right now. NFL playoffs could wake him up but it's to late for FF owners championship dreams by then.

 
Someone mentioned the strong running game, and that's a big part of Burress' production drop IMO. The OL is among the very best in the league, and the running game has been dominant as a result. I think the team is averaging over 5 yards a carry or something like that - both Jacobs and Ward may get to 1K yards for the season.

One other thing that was mentioned is the lack of a credible threat alongside Plaxico. Say what you want about Shockey, but when he was there, he commanded a lot of attention that gave Plaxico more room to operate. Now, defenses have been increased focus on Burress, which have opened up opportunities for Smith, Boss and even old man Toomer.

The last thing, which may actually be the biggest factor, is a possible lack of hunger. Plax has his ring, has his big contract. While he may not quite be the same malcontent he used to be, the incentive to go all out may just not be there anymore.
You're right Zamboni, he's twice the malcontent he used to be.
I don't agree with the last part. Burress and all great WR's want "theirs" each and every game. These guys are selfish which is not particularly a bad thing to have out of a WR. Obviously you want them to be team players but selfish is not really a bad thing. I have watched pretty much every giant play this season and Burress has not received consistent targets game in and game out. The Giants have a great supporting cast and Eli is taking what the defense is giving him. S. Smith is killing teams in the slot and why would he force a ball into Burress when he has a LB trying to defend Smith. Teams are game planning to take away Burress in the passing game which sucks for fantasy but the giants are good enough else where that they are not forcing the ball into him. If something is working you don't need to change that; I mean the giants are 8 and 1.

In saying that Burress is still the Giants best play maker and one of the best red zone threats in the game and will still have some pretty good games going forward. He is a WR 1 on a good/great offensive team. I think he is a descent buy low going forward.
I think you kind of contradict yourself here a little bit. If teams continuously double Burress, why would Eli start treating him like a WR1? More of a WRBC type of thing with Burress as the redzone threat.
Plaxico's issues with being a malcontent appear to have very little to do with how much he is getting the ball. Sleeping in meetings, being constantly late (or not showing up at all), showing zero accountability for his actions etc. are issues related to ego, selfishness or just not getting it.
 
Someone mentioned the strong running game, and that's a big part of Burress' production drop IMO. The OL is among the very best in the league, and the running game has been dominant as a result. I think the team is averaging over 5 yards a carry or something like that - both Jacobs and Ward may get to 1K yards for the season.

One other thing that was mentioned is the lack of a credible threat alongside Plaxico. Say what you want about Shockey, but when he was there, he commanded a lot of attention that gave Plaxico more room to operate. Now, defenses have been increased focus on Burress, which have opened up opportunities for Smith, Boss and even old man Toomer.

The last thing, which may actually be the biggest factor, is a possible lack of hunger. Plax has his ring, has his big contract. While he may not quite be the same malcontent he used to be, the incentive to go all out may just not be there anymore.
You're right Zamboni, he's twice the malcontent he used to be.
I don't agree with the last part. Burress and all great WR's want "theirs" each and every game. These guys are selfish which is not particularly a bad thing to have out of a WR. Obviously you want them to be team players but selfish is not really a bad thing. I have watched pretty much every giant play this season and Burress has not received consistent targets game in and game out. The Giants have a great supporting cast and Eli is taking what the defense is giving him. S. Smith is killing teams in the slot and why would he force a ball into Burress when he has a LB trying to defend Smith. Teams are game planning to take away Burress in the passing game which sucks for fantasy but the giants are good enough else where that they are not forcing the ball into him. If something is working you don't need to change that; I mean the giants are 8 and 1.

In saying that Burress is still the Giants best play maker and one of the best red zone threats in the game and will still have some pretty good games going forward. He is a WR 1 on a good/great offensive team. I think he is a descent buy low going forward.
I think you kind of contradict yourself here a little bit. If teams continuously double Burress, why would Eli start treating him like a WR1? More of a WRBC type of thing with Burress as the redzone threat.
Plaxico's issues with being a malcontent appear to have very little to do with how much he is getting the ball. Sleeping in meetings, being constantly late (or not showing up at all), showing zero accountability for his actions etc. are issues related to ego, selfishness or just not getting it.
I can't rember where I read or heard that Burress does tons of homework before each and every game against the opposing teams/players secondary that will be covering him. He makes extra notes and fills his play book with ways to be successful. We hear a lot of the negatives from this guy (and he has some), but there are some positives.
 
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Someone mentioned the strong running game, and that's a big part of Burress' production drop IMO. The OL is among the very best in the league, and the running game has been dominant as a result. I think the team is averaging over 5 yards a carry or something like that - both Jacobs and Ward may get to 1K yards for the season.

One other thing that was mentioned is the lack of a credible threat alongside Plaxico. Say what you want about Shockey, but when he was there, he commanded a lot of attention that gave Plaxico more room to operate. Now, defenses have been increased focus on Burress, which have opened up opportunities for Smith, Boss and even old man Toomer.

The last thing, which may actually be the biggest factor, is a possible lack of hunger. Plax has his ring, has his big contract. While he may not quite be the same malcontent he used to be, the incentive to go all out may just not be there anymore.
You're right Zamboni, he's twice the malcontent he used to be.
I don't agree with the last part. Burress and all great WR's want "theirs" each and every game. These guys are selfish which is not particularly a bad thing to have out of a WR. Obviously you want them to be team players but selfish is not really a bad thing. I have watched pretty much every giant play this season and Burress has not received consistent targets game in and game out. The Giants have a great supporting cast and Eli is taking what the defense is giving him. S. Smith is killing teams in the slot and why would he force a ball into Burress when he has a LB trying to defend Smith. Teams are game planning to take away Burress in the passing game which sucks for fantasy but the giants are good enough else where that they are not forcing the ball into him. If something is working you don't need to change that; I mean the giants are 8 and 1.

In saying that Burress is still the Giants best play maker and one of the best red zone threats in the game and will still have some pretty good games going forward. He is a WR 1 on a good/great offensive team. I think he is a descent buy low going forward.
I think you kind of contradict yourself here a little bit. If teams continuously double Burress, why would Eli start treating him like a WR1? More of a WRBC type of thing with Burress as the redzone threat.
I guess I should have added that teams will start realizing that doubling Burress to much might not be the best way to beat the Giants.
 
Carter_Can_Fly said:
Chaka said:
Someone mentioned the strong running game, and that's a big part of Burress' production drop IMO. The OL is among the very best in the league, and the running game has been dominant as a result. I think the team is averaging over 5 yards a carry or something like that - both Jacobs and Ward may get to 1K yards for the season.

One other thing that was mentioned is the lack of a credible threat alongside Plaxico. Say what you want about Shockey, but when he was there, he commanded a lot of attention that gave Plaxico more room to operate. Now, defenses have been increased focus on Burress, which have opened up opportunities for Smith, Boss and even old man Toomer.

The last thing, which may actually be the biggest factor, is a possible lack of hunger. Plax has his ring, has his big contract. While he may not quite be the same malcontent he used to be, the incentive to go all out may just not be there anymore.
You're right Zamboni, he's twice the malcontent he used to be.
I don't agree with the last part. Burress and all great WR's want "theirs" each and every game. These guys are selfish which is not particularly a bad thing to have out of a WR. Obviously you want them to be team players but selfish is not really a bad thing. I have watched pretty much every giant play this season and Burress has not received consistent targets game in and game out. The Giants have a great supporting cast and Eli is taking what the defense is giving him. S. Smith is killing teams in the slot and why would he force a ball into Burress when he has a LB trying to defend Smith. Teams are game planning to take away Burress in the passing game which sucks for fantasy but the giants are good enough else where that they are not forcing the ball into him. If something is working you don't need to change that; I mean the giants are 8 and 1.

In saying that Burress is still the Giants best play maker and one of the best red zone threats in the game and will still have some pretty good games going forward. He is a WR 1 on a good/great offensive team. I think he is a descent buy low going forward.
I think you kind of contradict yourself here a little bit. If teams continuously double Burress, why would Eli start treating him like a WR1? More of a WRBC type of thing with Burress as the redzone threat.
Plaxico's issues with being a malcontent appear to have very little to do with how much he is getting the ball. Sleeping in meetings, being constantly late (or not showing up at all), showing zero accountability for his actions etc. are issues related to ego, selfishness or just not getting it.
I can't rember where I read or heard that Burress does tons of homework before each and every game against the opposing teams/players secondary that will be covering him. He makes extra notes and fills his play book with ways to be successful. We hear a lot of the negatives from this guy (and he has some), but there are some positives.
Many positives, no doubt. He's tough as nails, plays through pain, sacrifices his body and his antics don't seem to be negatively impacting the team.
 
He's on my bench for now until I see more targets. If I miss a big week...oh well. But he's got to consistently get targeted more before he starts again.

 
He's starting over Berrian for me. Hopefully if he sucks again I can shake my addition to the Burress Kool-Aid

 
He's $17 in my auction league on my squad. I made a move to give me the flexibility of cutting him this week. Not sure if I cut him or Santonio Holmes though. Both have been major disappointments.

 
I don't know why people think that Eli is getting the job done. Anyone who has Carney knows that isn't true. The NYG rank 18th in TD redzone efficiency, converting 51% of their redzone visits into TD's. Even Cincinnati and KC are ahead of them. Until Eli starts converting more of those trips into TD's, Plax will continue to get blanketed.

 
As previously mentioned, he was targetted twice on fade routes in the end zone. One he was blatently interfered with and then Jacobs pounded it in from the one after the penalty. The other one he actually could/should have caught and 9 out of 10 times I think he makes that catch.

He did not get a pile of targets throughout the game and part of the reason is the Giants big lead early and they continued to run it down the Ravens throats.

On a positive though he still did get those end zone targets and would have gave him a nice WR 2 type of day with a TD there.

 

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