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Players that are MISUSED on their teams. (1 Viewer)

mr roboto

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Seems like a lot of complaining lately about guys like Rice, Matthews, Ingram, and DWill being underused or mismanaged.

Got me thinking except for the usual FF owner whining about underperforming guys on their own teams which players are the most underutilized/misused by NFL teams?

 
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It's mainly RB's IMO. Pierre Thomas and C.J. Spiller come to mind. Both of the CAR backs could be studs if they were workhorse RB's. Mike Tolbert is also too good to be a FB with limited touches.

I really think that Rob Housler in Arizona has a huge upside and could become a great weapon if used more.

There's a lot more, but those are the first that come to mind for me.

 
DMC in the ZBS

Dez Bryant (I think he could be great if he was a team's unquestioned no.1 and force fed at times)

 
Josh Cribbs comes to mind - figured he would have carved out some kind of a bigger role throughout the years.

 
Pierre Thomas and Chris Ivory. Spiller now that Jackson is back. Stewart for Carolina. Housler and all Cardinal receiving options could be better but it isn't misuse as much as bad quarterback and o-line play. Joel Dressen, the guy catches touchdowns, and is a great blocker. Darren Mcfadden, that blocking scheme is horrible for him.

David Wilson, I am sorry but 1 fumble shouldn't put you in the dog house for that long, you don't see Eli Manning or any other quarterback that has been pulled from a game for too many picks not get back in the game next week. Lets remember that last year right after Bradshaw had his monster game against the Bills, 26 carries for 103 yards 3 tds, he got injured the next game. That was his only game of the year with more than 17 carries. Wilson has ability they need to keep Bradshaw healthy and let this kid work his way into a starter in a year or two. Legarrette Blount, you can't average 5.0 ypc, and then 4.1 on a horrible team and all of the sudden you can't run the ball anymore. This is clearly a case of Tampa's new regime saying we want our guy, no matter what.

Matt Flynn, as good as Wilson was in the preseason, he looks equally bad and lost this regular season. I am not sure Flynn would be better but they should find out, it is going to suck when they cut Flynn in the off season because they don't want to pay that contract and someone like Arizona picks him up and he comes back to abuse them.

An honorable mention should go to MJD, it isn't that he isn't used right, but how good he is on such a bad team. One could only imagine how good he would be if he was on a team like Houston or the Patriots.

 
'Chazzhawk said:
it is going to suck when they cut Flynn in the off season because they don't want to pay that contract and someone like Arizona picks him up and he comes back to abuse them.
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This doesn't make much sense. Why would Seattle cut him in the coming off season? Are you sure you fully understand Flynn's contract structure?
 
'Chazzhawk said:
Pierre Thomas and Chris Ivory. Spiller now that Jackson is back. Stewart for Carolina. Housler and all Cardinal receiving options could be better but it isn't misuse as much as bad quarterback and o-line play. Joel Dressen, the guy catches touchdowns, and is a great blocker. Darren Mcfadden, that blocking scheme is horrible for him. David Wilson, I am sorry but 1 fumble shouldn't put you in the dog house for that long, you don't see Eli Manning or any other quarterback that has been pulled from a game for too many picks not get back in the game next week. Lets remember that last year right after Bradshaw had his monster game against the Bills, 26 carries for 103 yards 3 tds, he got injured the next game. That was his only game of the year with more than 17 carries. Wilson has ability they need to keep Bradshaw healthy and let this kid work his way into a starter in a year or two. Legarrette Blount, you can't average 5.0 ypc, and then 4.1 on a horrible team and all of the sudden you can't run the ball anymore. This is clearly a case of Tampa's new regime saying we want our guy, no matter what. Matt Flynn, as good as Wilson was in the preseason, he looks equally bad and lost this regular season. I am not sure Flynn would be better but they should find out, it is going to suck when they cut Flynn in the off season because they don't want to pay that contract and someone like Arizona picks him up and he comes back to abuse them. An honorable mention should go to MJD, it isn't that he isn't used right, but how good he is on such a bad team. One could only imagine how good he would be if he was on a team like Houston or the Patriots.
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Good call with Ivory, disagree with Wilson and Flynn though.
 
'Hooper31 said:
'Chazzhawk said:
it is going to suck when they cut Flynn in the off season because they don't want to pay that contract and someone like Arizona picks him up and he comes back to abuse them.
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This doesn't make much sense. Why would Seattle cut him in the coming off season? Are you sure you fully understand Flynn's contract structure?
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I don't know the whole thing but from what I see, his cap number is 7.25 million next year, that is a lot to pay a back up on a team that could use a receiver among other things.
 
'Chazzhawk said:
'Hooper31 said:
'Chazzhawk said:
it is going to suck when they cut Flynn in the off season because they don't want to pay that contract and someone like Arizona picks him up and he comes back to abuse them.
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This doesn't make much sense. Why would Seattle cut him in the coming off season? Are you sure you fully understand Flynn's contract structure?
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I don't know the whole thing but from what I see, his cap number is 7.25 million next year, that is a lot to pay a back up on a team that could use a receiver among other things.
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No, that number includes the prorated portion of the signing bonus that the team already paid him. Its not the number they have to pay him next year. His guaranteed number is $10 million over two years. His salary next year calculates to only $2 million.
 
'mr roboto said:
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'Max Power said:
Marcel Reece is the correct answer.
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:goodposting: :thumbup:
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This guy intrigues me. I've only seen him play a few times but he's basically a FB in a TE body who can catch, correct?How do you guys think he should be used? Classic pass catching TE? More as a FB for the run game?
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He's got good hands and speed, and is actually a pretty decent runner as well. Could probably play a RB/FB/TE role and do some damage with mismatches if he was used that way.
 
Mathias Kiwanuka makes for a decent SLB but I think he'd perform better as a DE. The last season he played DE for the Giants he started off looking great but got injured and put on IR.

 
Jermichael Finley. Guy is too inconsistent and undisciplined to be a focal point of an offense.

Obviously there is some bizarre #### going on in Diego with Matthews.

Agree on Tolbert. He deserves better.

Lamar Smith needs more touches behind Bush.

 
'Nucker101 said:
'mr roboto said:
'krsone21 said:
'Max Power said:
Marcel Reece is the correct answer.
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:goodposting: :thumbup:
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This guy intrigues me. I've only seen him play a few times but he's basically a FB in a TE body who can catch, correct?How do you guys think he should be used? Classic pass catching TE? More as a FB for the run game?
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He's got good hands and speed, and is actually a pretty decent runner as well. Could probably play a RB/FB/TE role and do some damage with mismatches if he was used that way.
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agree but those guys dont tend do put up fantasy numbers (see james casey). i have him in a deep league and like him, but i think its going to take a dmac injury and goodson injury/fumbles/bad play for reese to show what he can do. otherwise, i don't think oak will ever fully utilize him
 
Ben Tate, David Wilson (as we've seen today) needing more touches.

Joe Webb used strictly as a QB, probably the best athlete on our team and will never see the field, barring a Ponder injury.

Sanchez, not being used correctly because he still plays for a professional NFL team.

 
'THE SNOWMAN said:
Ben Tate, David Wilson (as we've seen today) needing more touches.Joe Webb used strictly as a QB, probably the best athlete on our team and will never see the field, barring a Ponder injury.Sanchez, not being used correctly because he still plays for a professional NFL team.
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I almost said Ben Tate as well, but they won't sacrifice Fosters touches in favor of Tate. Tate is just unfortunate being on the Texans until next year. He is not being misused.
 
'JHuber77 said:
'THE SNOWMAN said:
Ben Tate, David Wilson (as we've seen today) needing more touches.Joe Webb used strictly as a QB, probably the best athlete on our team and will never see the field, barring a Ponder injury.Sanchez, not being used correctly because he still plays for a professional NFL team.
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I almost said Ben Tate as well, but they won't sacrifice Fosters touches in favor of Tate. Tate is just unfortunate being on the Texans until next year. He is not being misused.
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You can argue the fact that when Tate is in, he has almost the same amount of burst and production that Foster has. So why not give him more touches and help keep Foster more fresh?The thing about the Texans is that they have a tendency to ride their players 'hard'. Every year that team is a tease, they do really well, start to tear it up and BOOM. Injury to Johnson (cause you know it's coming), Daniels injury and perhaps a slight injury to Foster that will keep him out a game. Schaub usually gets injured too.
 
'THE SNOWMAN said:
'JHuber77 said:
'THE SNOWMAN said:
Ben Tate, David Wilson (as we've seen today) needing more touches.Joe Webb used strictly as a QB, probably the best athlete on our team and will never see the field, barring a Ponder injury.Sanchez, not being used correctly because he still plays for a professional NFL team.
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I almost said Ben Tate as well, but they won't sacrifice Fosters touches in favor of Tate. Tate is just unfortunate being on the Texans until next year. He is not being misused.
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You can argue the fact that when Tate is in, he has almost the same amount of burst and production that Foster has. So why not give him more touches and help keep Foster more fresh?The thing about the Texans is that they have a tendency to ride their players 'hard'. Every year that team is a tease, they do really well, start to tear it up and BOOM. Injury to Johnson (cause you know it's coming), Daniels injury and perhaps a slight injury to Foster that will keep him out a game. Schaub usually gets injured too.
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Are the Texans undefeated? Don't get me wrong, I think Tate is a great player and he will get paid to play for a new team when he is a UFA next year. The Texans just don't need to keep Foster fresh because they know what they have in Tate. They don't need this to be an even timeshare, especially if they want to try to keep Tate at the end of this season. The only team that can keep up is probably NE.
 
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'JHuber77 said:
'THE SNOWMAN said:
'JHuber77 said:
'THE SNOWMAN said:
Ben Tate, David Wilson (as we've seen today) needing more touches.Joe Webb used strictly as a QB, probably the best athlete on our team and will never see the field, barring a Ponder injury.Sanchez, not being used correctly because he still plays for a professional NFL team.
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I almost said Ben Tate as well, but they won't sacrifice Fosters touches in favor of Tate. Tate is just unfortunate being on the Texans until next year. He is not being misused.
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You can argue the fact that when Tate is in, he has almost the same amount of burst and production that Foster has. So why not give him more touches and help keep Foster more fresh?The thing about the Texans is that they have a tendency to ride their players 'hard'. Every year that team is a tease, they do really well, start to tear it up and BOOM. Injury to Johnson (cause you know it's coming), Daniels injury and perhaps a slight injury to Foster that will keep him out a game. Schaub usually gets injured too.
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Are the Texans undefeated? Don't get me wrong, I think Tate is a great player and he will get paid to play for a new team when he is a UFA next year. The Texans just don't need to keep Foster fresh because they know what they have in Tate. They don't need this to be an even timeshare, especially if they want to try to keep Tate at the end of this season. The only team that can keep up is probably NE.
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And NE uses three RBs.
 
Ingram and D Will are overused, imo. Better options on their teams.

Sproles is definitely underused.

Mike Wallace is my pick at WR.

Matt Schaub might be a top 5 QB in the NFL but lack of attempts is the only thing keeping him from being fantasy elite.

 
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'THE SNOWMAN said:
'JHuber77 said:
'THE SNOWMAN said:
'JHuber77 said:
'THE SNOWMAN said:
Ben Tate, David Wilson (as we've seen today) needing more touches.Joe Webb used strictly as a QB, probably the best athlete on our team and will never see the field, barring a Ponder injury.Sanchez, not being used correctly because he still plays for a professional NFL team.
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I almost said Ben Tate as well, but they won't sacrifice Fosters touches in favor of Tate. Tate is just unfortunate being on the Texans until next year. He is not being misused.
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You can argue the fact that when Tate is in, he has almost the same amount of burst and production that Foster has. So why not give him more touches and help keep Foster more fresh?The thing about the Texans is that they have a tendency to ride their players 'hard'. Every year that team is a tease, they do really well, start to tear it up and BOOM. Injury to Johnson (cause you know it's coming), Daniels injury and perhaps a slight injury to Foster that will keep him out a game. Schaub usually gets injured too.
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Are the Texans undefeated? Don't get me wrong, I think Tate is a great player and he will get paid to play for a new team when he is a UFA next year. The Texans just don't need to keep Foster fresh because they know what they have in Tate. They don't need this to be an even timeshare, especially if they want to try to keep Tate at the end of this season. The only team that can keep up is probably NE.
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And NE uses three RBs.
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None of which are as good as Tate and Foster. My point was, the Texans don't need to share carries evenly between their two backs, and the only team that can actually compete with Hou this year will probably be NE.
 
'Awful Waffle said:
I feel like LeSean McCoy should get a mention for being a top 5 RB and not getting enough touches.
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As an Eagles fan who watches the games, it would appear he deserves more touches but on paper he gets tons of touches. Through week 4, he was 5th in carries in the league. He is on pace for over 300 carries and he is a relatively small back. Sure, they don't run as much to start games but he gets his touches and if you own him in fantasy, it almost works out better b/c he gets to run on tired defenses and he gets outside the tackles b/c he wouldn't be nearly as effective running the ball 30 times between the tackles. He was also 7th in receptions coming into the week. That means coming into the week, only 2 backs had more attempts/receptions in Foster/Lynch.
 
DWill remains the most criminally underused RB in NFL history. Since Stewart if forced to share the few crumbs there, too, he obviously is being misused as well.

Jordy Nelson is virtually ignored by Rodgers and the offensive coordinators. What kind of offensive mind gives way more targets to the worst pass catching TE in the league (Finley), and give WR3 type targets to the guy who was the premier deep threat in the league last season?

I agree with McCoy- he should be the focal point of the Eagles offense. I think Desean Jackson needs to get more targets as well.

The Vikings aren't going to be satisfied until ADP gets hurt again. They are not giving enough work to Gerhart, who proved last year he can be very effective and could help extend ADP's career.

David Wilson- Couglin is a psycho to punish a rookie for several games for a fumble. He adds an element to the Giants offense that no one else does. Maybe the long TD today will bring him more into the game plan.

Ray Rice- the Ravens definitely give him too few carries.

Cedric Benson- his slow, plodding, barely 3 ypc style not only doesn't fit the Packers offense, it has disrupted it to the point it no longer resembles the high scoring machine from last season. Give Alex Green a chance.

Brian Leonard- the Law Firm is awful, and now injured, and Scott has shown nothing since he's been there. Leonard's ypc is consistently solid, on the few touches he gets. Hope the team will finally give him a real chance.

Rob Gronkowski- McDaniels has done his best to destroy the Patriots high powered offense. Brilliant idea to turn the game's most unstoppable force into a blocker for the likes of Bolden. What an idiot.

Jacquizz Rodgers- I don't even know if he's any good, but no one can produce on the few touches he gets. Everyone seems to think Turner is almost through, but Rodgers gets little action even when he sees a lot of snaps.

Kevin Smith- getting royally and inexplicably screwed. He fits the Lions' high tempo passing attack much better than any other Lions' back except Best. So the brilliant Lions' strategists decide to banish him to parts uknown and hand the keys over to Mikel Leshoure, who is a slightly faster version of the awful Cedric Benson. Leshoure doesn't fit the offense and the insistence the coaches have on running him has derailed a great passing offense.

Josh Freeman- how bad does he have to be before the team brings in any real competition?

 
'bigunreal said:
DWill remains the most criminally underused RB in NFL history. Since Stewart if forced to share the few crumbs there, too, he obviously is being misused as well.

Jordy Nelson is virtually ignored by Rodgers and the offensive coordinators. What kind of offensive mind gives way more targets to the worst pass catching TE in the league (Finley), and give WR3 type targets to the guy who was the premier deep threat in the league last season?

I agree with McCoy- he should be the focal point of the Eagles offense. I think Desean Jackson needs to get more targets as well.

The Vikings aren't going to be satisfied until ADP gets hurt again. They are not giving enough work to Gerhart, who proved last year he can be very effective and could help extend ADP's career.

David Wilson- Couglin is a psycho to punish a rookie for several games for a fumble. He adds an element to the Giants offense that no one else does. Maybe the long TD today will bring him more into the game plan.

Ray Rice- the Ravens definitely give him too few carries.

Cedric Benson- his slow, plodding, barely 3 ypc style not only doesn't fit the Packers offense, it has disrupted it to the point it no longer resembles the high scoring machine from last season. Give Alex Green a chance.

Brian Leonard- the Law Firm is awful, and now injured, and Scott has shown nothing since he's been there. Leonard's ypc is consistently solid, on the few touches he gets. Hope the team will finally give him a real chance.

Rob Gronkowski- McDaniels has done his best to destroy the Patriots high powered offense. Brilliant idea to turn the game's most unstoppable force into a blocker for the likes of Bolden. What an idiot.

Jacquizz Rodgers- I don't even know if he's any good, but no one can produce on the few touches he gets. Everyone seems to think Turner is almost through, but Rodgers gets little action even when he sees a lot of snaps.

Kevin Smith- getting royally and inexplicably screwed. He fits the Lions' high tempo passing attack much better than any other Lions' back except Best. So the brilliant Lions' strategists decide to banish him to parts uknown and hand the keys over to Mikel Leshoure, who is a slightly faster version of the awful Cedric Benson. Leshoure doesn't fit the offense and the insistence the coaches have on running him has derailed a great passing offense.

Josh Freeman- how bad does he have to be before the team brings in any real competition?
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Six touches each in a close game. I wish I could trade Stewart in my keeper league. I can't. I can't get anything for him. I gave up Colston after the 2010 season. I really thought Stewart was going to be a stud. I believed all the hype. BS. No coaches can be this freaking stupid to waste two talents like that.
 
Hate to labour on the point, but every Carolina player other than Cam Newton... Who is similarly misused, but only because he is so overused. Today was embarrassing for offensive play-calling in Carolina.

I've never watched a game and ever been fully impressed by Newton either. I can't claim to have watched all of his games obviously, but even in games where most say he's played well, I just don't get how people are still so adamant about his early 2011 show was actually indicative of his talent as opposed to what we saw from midyear last year to now.

 
'Kree said:
Hate to labour on the point, but every Carolina player other than Cam Newton... Who is similarly misused, but only because he is so overused. Today was embarrassing for offensive play-calling in Carolina.I've never watched a game and ever been fully impressed by Newton either. I can't claim to have watched all of his games obviously, but even in games where most say he's played well, I just don't get how people are still so adamant about his early 2011 show was actually indicative of his talent as opposed to what we saw from midyear last year to now.
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I have a thread about this. Boils down to Newton owners.While his play has been bad, he has had a few decent fantasy weeks. People don't want to draw criticism because Newton can salvage a week with a rushing touchdown or two.Newton in a slump is not a fun player to own. But you always know he might punch in a rushing touchdown or two.
 
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I agree with McCoy- he should be the focal point of the Eagles offense. I think Desean Jackson needs to get more targets as well.
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I don't understand, perhaps you missed it, but he is 5th in the league in attempts. He trails Foster by 6 carries entering this week. And the Texans are known as a huge run team entering the week, even though the Eagles had more rush attempts (granted Vick adds to that). Only Rice, Richardson and Sproles had more receptions coming into the week. Not sure what else you want. He has never gone over 300 carries (on pace for 310) and his career high is 321 touches (on pace for 368 touches). The Eagles are being safe with their best player and they want him fresh towards the end of games/the season. Eagles consistently use the pass to set up the run and while it might infuriate their fans, by all accounts it seems to help McCoy's fantasy owners b/c his YPC by quarter is 2.9, 4.8, 4.2, and 5.8. At the same time, his YPC goes down as his attempts go up. From attempts 1-10, he averages 4.9 ypc, 11-20 at 4.2 ypc, and 21-30 at 3.5 ypc. I guess you could explain the attempt stats by saying 21-30 are in situations when they are winning so the other team is trying to stop the run. You might also try to say that since his first 10 carries are usually strongest, that he should get more in the first quarter but I think the Eagles are actually using him fairly well and stats seem to back that up saving his strongest carries (his first 10) for later in the game when the D-line isn't as strong. Either way, his usage rate isn't going to go up, perhaps just his usage in the first half.
 
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'Eminence said:
'Kree said:
Hate to labour on the point, but every Carolina player other than Cam Newton... Who is similarly misused, but only because he is so overused. Today was embarrassing for offensive play-calling in Carolina.I've never watched a game and ever been fully impressed by Newton either. I can't claim to have watched all of his games obviously, but even in games where most say he's played well, I just don't get how people are still so adamant about his early 2011 show was actually indicative of his talent as opposed to what we saw from midyear last year to now.
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I have a thread about this. Boils down to Newton owners.While his play has been bad, he has had a few decent fantasy weeks. People don't want to draw criticism because Newton can salvage a week with a rushing touchdown or two.Newton in a slump is not a fun player to own. But you always know he might punch in a rushing touchdown or two.
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He's very much a developmental project I think. People just went way overboard way early and attributed a certain level of competence to him before he had actually reached it. That's not his fault though I suppose, and probably is born from fantasy football.Can't stand the Superman thing though, especially when facing the Giants...
 
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'bigunreal said:
I agree with McCoy- he should be the focal point of the Eagles offense. I think Desean Jackson needs to get more targets as well.
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I don't understand, perhaps you missed it, but he is 5th in the league in attempts. He trails Foster by 6 carries entering this week. And the Texans are known as a huge run team entering the week, even though the Eagles had more rush attempts (granted Vick adds to that). Only Rice, Richardson and Sproles had more receptions coming into the week. Not sure what else you want. He has never gone over 300 carries (on pace for 310) and his career high is 321 touches (on pace for 368 touches). The Eagles are being safe with their best player and they want him fresh towards the end of games/the season. Eagles consistently use the pass to set up the run and while it might infuriate their fans, by all accounts it seems to help McCoy's fantasy owners b/c his YPC by quarter is 2.9, 4.8, 4.2, and 5.8. At the same time, his YPC goes down as his attempts go up. From attempts 1-10, he averages 4.9 ypc, 11-20 at 4.2 ypc, and 21-30 at 3.5 ypc. I guess you could explain the attempt stats by saying 21-30 are in situations when they are winning so the other team is trying to stop the run. You might also try to say that since his first 10 carries are usually strongest, that he should get more in the first quarter but I think the Eagles are actually using him fairly well and stats seem to back that up saving his strongest carries (his first 10) for later in the game when the D-line isn't as strong. Either way, his usage rate isn't going to go up, perhaps just his usage in the first half.
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Point well taken. I seem to have mistakenly believed he was being underused, since his production seems down (at least the TDs). But then again, I don't own him in any leagues, and would probably pay a lot more attention to him if he was my player.
 
I think the issue with Jordy is that the line can't protect long enough for him to get deep as much as last year. I think Cobb is the one that is under-used personally.

Agree with Dez, I don't think he needs to be the focal point but he is talented enough where he should see 8-10 targets no matter what.

I've always been very impressed with Reece and thought he should be more involved.

 
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