Warsteinner
Footballguy
I haven't had a nintendo since SNES. If this is the case I will buy it just for the heck of it. Just got my 360 3 days ago and like it so far with no plans of buying a PS3 if its as much as stated.
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PlayStation 3 Delayed, Over $800? (1 Viewer)
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larry_boy_44
Footballguy
you realize that all these adult gamers you are referring to remember how great Mario 64, Super Mario World, Zelda 1-3, etc., etc., etc. were on NES, SNES, & N64, right???I mean, really...
you have nostalgia factor, the fact that Nintendo makes the best games period, the #1 error of GameCube is fixed (no true Mario game), AND the full library of Nintendo games available to buy for emulation and you have the #1 system...
THEN they decide to charge 1/4 of the price of X-Box 360 or PS3??
and they have RE games exclusive for like 1 or 2 years, that's an "adult" game...
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
aren't they going for $500+???I coulda swore they were...
adn no, math isn't down, caring about X-Box 360 is down...
Quez
Footballguy
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entert...t-e3-162514.php
new PS3 controller
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entert...n-xp-162495.php
PS3 dev kit running on XP
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/pcs/1080p-d...ream-162491.php
Good info explaining HD on games
Here are a few other interesting things I found on Gizmodo that some sports fans may find interesting.
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entert...tion-162538.php
Sling Box mobile in action
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/diy...nnon-162506.php
A must for all War Eagle's that plan on TPing Toomers corner
new PS3 controller
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entert...n-xp-162495.php
PS3 dev kit running on XP
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/pcs/1080p-d...ream-162491.php
Good info explaining HD on games
Here are a few other interesting things I found on Gizmodo that some sports fans may find interesting.
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entert...tion-162538.php
Sling Box mobile in action
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/diy...nnon-162506.php
A must for all War Eagle's that plan on TPing Toomers corner
thesurfshop19
Footballguy
Nintendo still makes games, but there are some major issues.By going with the new remote setup and by eschewing the most modern technology, they're alienating developers who make games for all the systems. Every Nintendo system has sold fewer systems and has had less third-party support than its predecessor. That's a bad trend.
Nintendo makes great games, but their magic touch has dropped off recently. While the N64 had amazing, groundbreaking games (Mario 64, Zelda Ocarina of Time), virtually none of the sequels to these games were hailed as surpassing the originals.
They've been, curiously, one of the worst offenders of "sequelitis" -- you could argue that their only original first-party title this generation was Pikmin! All of their other big hits were sequels that essentially copied the formula from the original game while changing something superficial (Mario: add a waterpack; Zelda: change the graphic style; Mario Kart: put 2 riders per cart).
Finally, the price difference. This past generation, PS2 and Xbox retailed at $300 while the GameCube started at $200. Yet, GameCube was blown away in sales by the PS2 and finished behind the Xbox in North America. Consumers showed this past generation that they're willing to shell out the extra cash for perceived better technology (many consumers believe the GameCube is less powerful than the PS2).
Nintendo's been full of contradictions. This generation, they plainly said that consumers don't want online games -- now a big selling point is WiFi online play with downloadable classics (a la Xbox Live Arcade). They say that too few companies are out there innovating when they're arguably one of the worst culprits of it (any chance of a great new game without Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Donkey Kong, etc.?). And they say that gamers don't want realistic graphics or Hollywood-style presentation, but they're going to release their new Zelda game alongside with the Revolution.
I've owned every Nintendo system (sadly yes, this includes the Virtual Boy, although I got it for $20 at Blockbuster
) and the only system I still play all the time is my Super NES (that is, until I can actually find an Xbox360!). I think they can be a relevant mass-market player in the market again, but Nintendo has to make better games. I'd argue that only one game this past generation made by Nintendo was a real classic -- Zelda Wind Waker -- with the other huge hits (Metroid Prime, Resident Evil 4) being exclusives from other developers (Prime from a 2nd-party studio). That is unacceptable for me to buy an entire extra system (especially if it can't even play Madden as well).
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
ok... from what I've heard:1. Revolution might have MORE exclusive games than X-Box 360 or PS3...Nintendo still makes games, but there are some major issues.By going with the new remote setup and by eschewing the most modern technology, they're alienating developers who make games for all the systems. Every Nintendo system has sold fewer systems and has had less third-party support than its predecessor. That's a bad trend.
Nintendo makes great games, but their magic touch has dropped off recently. While the N64 had amazing, groundbreaking games (Mario 64, Zelda Ocarina of Time), virtually none of the sequels to these games were hailed as surpassing the originals.
They've been, curiously, one of the worst offenders of "sequelitis" -- you could argue that their only original first-party title this generation was Pikmin! All of their other big hits were sequels that essentially copied the formula from the original game while changing something superficial (Mario: add a waterpack; Zelda: change the graphic style; Mario Kart: put 2 riders per cart).
Finally, the price difference. This past generation, PS2 and Xbox retailed at $300 while the GameCube started at $200. Yet, GameCube was blown away in sales by the PS2 and finished behind the Xbox in North America. Consumers showed this past generation that they're willing to shell out the extra cash for perceived better technology (many consumers believe the GameCube is less powerful than the PS2).
Nintendo's been full of contradictions. This generation, they plainly said that consumers don't want online games -- now a big selling point is WiFi online play with downloadable classics (a la Xbox Live Arcade). They say that too few companies are out there innovating when they're arguably one of the worst culprits of it (any chance of a great new game without Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Donkey Kong, etc.?). And they say that gamers don't want realistic graphics or Hollywood-style presentation, but they're going to release their new Zelda game alongside with the Revolution.
I've owned every Nintendo system (sadly yes, this includes the Virtual Boy, although I got it for $20 at Blockbuster
2. EA plans on porting every sports title to Revolution.
3. Mario: Sunshine was not a true sequel, the true sequal along the lines of Mario 1, 2, 3, Super Mario World 1, Mario 64 will be coming out on Revolution.
4. I think that this thing will sells tens of millions of units based on the online arcade alone... seriously...
5. Nintendo is BY FAR the most innovative gaming company ever... from Virtual Boy to DS to Revolutiont hey are the only ones trying to change gaming, everyone else is just making the status quo look prettier...
thesurfshop19
Footballguy
1. Pretty much every big-name developer has signed on to the 360 and PS3. Few of them even have dev kits for the Rev.2. EA probably can't possibly port full versions of their sports games -- the Rev is going to be quite a bit inferior to the 360 and PS3 and it simply may not be able to run the hi-def games.
3. Virtually no first-party game released this generation did anything to raise the bar from its predecessor. This is quite a disappointment, because (from #5) you're absolutely right, Nintendo has historically been the most innovative gaming company out there.
4. I was thinking about this ... if you really wanted to play NES and Super NES games, would you a) buy a (likely) $200 machine brand new and then pay $X per game download or would you b) buy a $20 machine on eBay and then pay $Y per game cartridge? Xbox Live Arcade is already doing what Nintendo is promising with Revolution -- Street Fighter 2 Turbo is coming out in a few months with more on the way. Nintendo better price these games low, low, low if this is to be a real selling point.
5. Again, I agree that historically Nintendo's been on the ball. But this generation was a huge disappointment. Relying on gimmicks (forced connectivity with Game Boy, bongos) is not a winning, long-term proposition in the gaming industry, as almost no peripheral has had major success (if you don't count the original PlayStation, the former "Super NES CD").
I also think you've been reading too much PR if you really think the competition is only about graphics. Graphics are a fundamental part of gameplay, as a lot of developers today are working to provide more immersive experiences. In addition to graphics, we've seen a lot of developments as far as player freedom in games -- the amount of different things you can do and experience in games has increased so much this generation. Finally, 360 in particular has built quite an impressive online platform and they're 1 generation ahead of the competitors.
I hope Nintendo can turn it around, but I'm going to expect a lot more from them than some "awesome" cooking game where you use the remote as a knife or Nintendogs 2 where you use the remote as the leash for your dog.
I need to see real, fun applications of the remote that enhance gameplay. Innovation is where you change things up and it enhances the overall experience, and the gimmicks of this past generation aren't going to cut it.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
games announced/confirmed so far:(* means exclusive to Revolution)
Nintendo:
*Smash Bros. Online (possibly even featuring Sonic)
*Super Mario Revolution (first true sequel since Mario 64)
*Zelda
*Animal Crossing
*Mario Kart
*Metroid: Prime 3
*Donkey Kong (brand new DK game)
*Cooking Game
*Brand New IP (Pokemon, Pikmin, Nintendog, Mario, etc.)
*Battalian Wars(Kuji Entertainment)
*??? (N-Space)
*RPG (Camelot)
Activision:
*Launch Title (possibly Tony Hawk spinoff)
Spiderman Sequal (possibly, could be something else)
Atlus:
*Trauma Center Revolution (use the free-hand style to operate on people)
AQ Interactive:
*Untitled
Blitz Games:
*untitled, but excited about it lol
Capcom:
*Untitled (not RE)
*RE (at some point)
*untitled Grasshopper Manufacture game
Midway:
*Untitled (launch game)
EA:
has developement kit (one of the first to get it) has confirmed support for the REvolution. Madden, James Bond, etc. are expected... 2-5 games in developement, ALL OF WHICH WILL BE PLAYABLE AT E3!!
Natsume:
*untitled (River King or Harvest Moon)
Tecmo:
Pangya Golf (launch) (probably Japan only)
THQ:
Disney/Pixar's Cars
WWE game (at some point)
SEGA:
*Sonic the Hedgehog (different from the X-Box 360/PS3 one, done by Sonic Team and using free-hand controller)
other possibly un-named, un-confirmed, un-identified projects (there is something else, no one knows what)
Square Enix:
*FF: Crystal Chronicles
Ubisoft:
untitled FPS
23 games already announced as exclusive to Revolution and I'd say at least 10 of them sound very good interesting (Mario, Kart, FF, Sonic, Trauma Center, New IP, Smash Bros., DK, Metroid, Zelda, & the cooking game)
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but every single one of those EA Sports games will be playable without an HD TV this generation... MAYBE next generation HD TV will be required, but I'd honestly be quite surprised at that...
I think Nintendo kind of threw in the towel for this generation almost immediately.... I think they were planning Revolution AT MINIMUM right after the Game Cube launch, they knew GC was gonna flop...
NES games will cost pennies per game... SNES like $2-3 tops... N64 will be like $5-7 at most...PLUS they just signed TurboGraphix-16 and SEGA's old system (only Genesis so far), too... so Sega Genesis and TG16 games iwll be available (probably similarly priced to SNES games)
they will have a launch library of probably 2,000-3,000 games IF NOT MORE!!!
Like I said, I think they threw in the towel as far as Game Cube goes... 2 new game boys have been released since GC (Advance & DS, plus the minis and such) and now Revolution pretty quick (it might beat PS3 and Game Cube was the last to be released by quite a bit if I remember right)...they knew Game Cube was losing and were just "holding on" making sure thier name was still out there...
X-Box 360 is an X-Box that looks prettier... that's it...and I think the cooking sounds cool, and I'd be surprised if a full Nintendogs game was released on Revolution, that feels more like a handheld game (like the Tamagachi pets were 5 years ago)...
and I think PS3 and Nintendo will be fine as far as online goes...
also, something you should consider: http://revolution.ign.com/articles/696/696754p1.html
supposedly Nintendo still has some tricks up its sleeves as far as its hardware goes that not even the Pokemon people know about yet...
Hoosier Daddy?
The General's Army
They can port them over....the PS2 version, that is.
You'll notice a big difference between the 360/PS3 version and the Rev version.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
for one, the Rev version will look better than PS2...for two, yes, there will be a big difference, PS3 & 360 will look prettier, Rev's will be 10 TIMES cooler...They can port them over....the PS2 version, that is.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I went to a Gamestop the other day. All I could find was a used one with one controller and the memory card or whatever was so crappy that the clerk told me I would be dumb to not buy an addittional harddrive. Bottom line, when you totaled everything up, I'd be paying over $550.So 4 months after release, I still pay $550 for a used one? No thanks. The Revolution will probably be a much better bargain.
thesurfshop19
Footballguy
As great as the Rev lineup, I'm going to wait and see. Like I said before (and you sort of agreed), GameCube was by far Nintendo's weakest first-party effort, so I'll wait until E3.I hope you're right about Nintendo's prices on the downloads; rumors were going around that they wanted to charge $10 for Super NES and $20 for N64, which is absurd.
I definitely don't see it as bad news if the Rev gets full versions of the sports games, but we'd better hope this system flies off the shelf if we want EA to put their full effort into the games. If I'm the Madden team and I see 20 times more sales on 360+PS3, I'm surely not spending a significant amount of time adapting the game to the Rev.
And finally, if even the developers aren't fully aware of Rev's capabilities, that can't bode well for the software. We may not see titles that fully use all of the "secrets" until holiday season of 2007.
I'm rooting for Nintendo, but they don't make it easy.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I"m a big Nintendo supporter since I grew up with their classic line of games, butNintendo still makes games, but there are some major issues.By going with the new remote setup and by eschewing the most modern technology, they're alienating developers who make games for all the systems. Every Nintendo system has sold fewer systems and has had less third-party support than its predecessor. That's a bad trend.
Nintendo makes great games, but their magic touch has dropped off recently. While the N64 had amazing, groundbreaking games (Mario 64, Zelda Ocarina of Time), virtually none of the sequels to these games were hailed as surpassing the originals.
They've been, curiously, one of the worst offenders of "sequelitis" -- you could argue that their only original first-party title this generation was Pikmin! All of their other big hits were sequels that essentially copied the formula from the original game while changing something superficial (Mario: add a waterpack; Zelda: change the graphic style; Mario Kart: put 2 riders per cart).
Finally, the price difference. This past generation, PS2 and Xbox retailed at $300 while the GameCube started at $200. Yet, GameCube was blown away in sales by the PS2 and finished behind the Xbox in North America. Consumers showed this past generation that they're willing to shell out the extra cash for perceived better technology (many consumers believe the GameCube is less powerful than the PS2).
Nintendo's been full of contradictions. This generation, they plainly said that consumers don't want online games -- now a big selling point is WiFi online play with downloadable classics (a la Xbox Live Arcade). They say that too few companies are out there innovating when they're arguably one of the worst culprits of it (any chance of a great new game without Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Donkey Kong, etc.?). And they say that gamers don't want realistic graphics or Hollywood-style presentation, but they're going to release their new Zelda game alongside with the Revolution.
I've owned every Nintendo system (sadly yes, this includes the Virtual Boy, although I got it for $20 at Blockbuster
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
WTF is the cooking game?? 
thesurfshop19
Footballguy
No idea. Honestly, unless they mail me the food I "cooked" I don't see the point, though.WTF is the cooking game??
cstu
Footballguy
]I coudln't disagree more. There are several facts in the gaming world:
1) Games take a long time to be able to ramp up and maximize use of the internal graphics engine of the console.
2) The first batch of a console are riddled with flaws that are remedied with subsequent editions.
With that said, while the graphics engine might be superior with the playstation, the 360 games will arleady be be optimized for the engine an will be gorgeous. Also, the PS3 games will be in their infancy and likely won't be anywhere near what the PS3 is capable (much like madden 06 and tiger woods 06 are not anything close to what the 07 versions will look like. The gap in qualiity of graphics at the PS3 launch will be insignificant or could even favor the 360 at that point.
Regarding the hardware issues... while its' commmon sense that there were going to be some, I think you're going overboard with the (HD Isn't working) comment.... I know 3 friends/coworkers who have a 360 and all 3 are using HD setup without issues. Hell, my original XBOX looks great via Component cables. Any hardware probs will be long gone by the time the PS3 omes out... and the PS3 will have issues at launch as well.
Regarding your forthcoming links... all "Screen Shots" of PS3 graphics thus far have been simulated on a PC and are likely highly optimistic.
Regarding PS2 outsellling 360 this christmas... Duh. You mean a $100 console just reaching stage 3 of a console life cycle (hitting the bottom feeders) outsold a premium priced new release that was horribly short-supplied? No way! Someone alert the media!
I think that 6 months after the release of the PS3, Microsoft will have at gained at least 10 share points in the US market over the level they had just prior to the 360 launch. I'll be eager to see that data but I think that's a conservative estimate.
It's important to recognize that a lot more goes into making nice graphics than the CPU. The PS3's processing power looks good on paper, but in terms of real graphics it's not going to be that noticeable. With developers getting better at developing for the 360, by the time the PS3 is released you'll see much better graphics on the 360 than you do now. Besides, graphics will always be better on a PC than on console systems so I don't understand the fight over graphics.As far as the battle between the 360 and PS3, it will come down to the games. Many people will buy a PS3 because they assume that there will be more proprietary games. With the 360 getting Square games this is less of an advantage that it used be for Sony.
On top of it, the 360 has already been hacked and people will soon be able to mod their 360's without soldering.
cstu
Footballguy
I've heard the same thing, just wait and they will be everywhere soon.From what Microsoft has said, and what a friend of mine that is a Gamestop manager said, you should be able to walk into any store and buy any flavor of 360 within the next month or so.I agree. All I see are "bundles". F that....
Warsteinner
Footballguy
Any links with details about Revolution?
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
Revolution.ign.com
Quez
Footballguy
I have 360 with PGR3 & PD0. They are ok, but neither of them have the crack effect that makes me really want to play. There are people out there that are dieing to get their hands on a 360 and I only play it about once every 3 days. The reason is they just don't have any great titles.
I think this is an excelent marketing ploy by MS. With the original Xbox, nobody bought many games because Halo was the only one you needed. Now, people are buying a bunch of $60 games, and getting tired of them quickly.
The only way I will get a PS3 or Revolution is if there is a must have title. Online Mario Kart & Smash Bros. sound better than anything MS has to offer right now.
I am interested in a few MMORPG that are planned to be released for 360 in about a year. One is APB, and the other is a similar game by MS game studios. They are like GTA, but you can be either a gangster or a cop.
I think this is an excelent marketing ploy by MS. With the original Xbox, nobody bought many games because Halo was the only one you needed. Now, people are buying a bunch of $60 games, and getting tired of them quickly.
The only way I will get a PS3 or Revolution is if there is a must have title. Online Mario Kart & Smash Bros. sound better than anything MS has to offer right now.
I am interested in a few MMORPG that are planned to be released for 360 in about a year. One is APB, and the other is a similar game by MS game studios. They are like GTA, but you can be either a gangster or a cop.
Warsteinner
Footballguy
How are you supposed to play games with that?Well, if you want to see the new controller, just pick up your freaking DVD player remote.
I don't think one-handed is the way to go when playing games.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I'll be purchasing a 360 before too long. The game I'm really looking forward to is Gears of War.EA Sports Friday Night Round 3 is a pretty impressive game. I'm not sure that I'd buy it, but I've played it and the graphics really are amazing. The newest Tom Clancy game looks pretty impressive too, although the Tom Clancy games aren't so much my cup of tea.
No. 16
Footballguy
If you're a fan of boxing Fight Night RD 3 is the best boxing game ever. The gameplay is as good as it gets... perfect balance with the power of the jab, power punches, and haymakers. One of the best multiplayer games out there because it truly takes skill to win. Not like football or basketball, where there are instances decided by random luck (ie. catching a pass, making a shot), but in order to be good you have to know what you're doing. Must have title for any guy with a 360 or XBOX and a group of friends.
thesurfshop19
Footballguy
Check this site out ... you can get it online if you have the right timing. You may not even have to buy a bundle! Yesterday, I ordered the $400 "premium" version from Amazon.com thanks to this site.MS keeps saying that by mid April you can walk into a store and just buy one, but you're still going to have to check around several stores and spend a good hour looking. If you can get the exact same thing for only $5 more shipping, why not, right?
PS - At this moment, KMart.com has the core system in stock. You have to be quick on these though ... Amazon.com ran out after only 2 hours of this site having them listed!
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MelvinTScupper
Guest
I walked into Target yesterday and bought one. I also bought a hard drive for it.Check this site out ... you can get it online if you have the right timing. You may not even have to buy a bundle! Yesterday, I ordered the $400 "premium" version from Amazon.com thanks to this site.MS keeps saying that by mid April you can walk into a store and just buy one, but you're still going to have to check around several stores and spend a good hour looking. If you can get the exact same thing for only $5 more shipping, why not, right?
PS - At this moment, KMart.com has the core system in stock. You have to be quick on these though ... Amazon.com ran out after only 2 hours of this site having them listed!
thesurfshop19
Footballguy
I wish we had Target in Norwalk (instead of choosing between Walmart or going to the Stamford Target).Maybe it is getting easier ... I've had no luck and was getting fed up.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Just picked one up for $20 bucks, suckers!!!
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