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They took a step in that direction in '02 when they made an agreement with Capcom for the Resident Evil series to be a Gamecube exlusive. Not sure it helped them shed the kiddie image, though.Nintendo's real dominance is the handheld market. Sony is trying to make in-roads there with the PSP, but Gamboy still rules especially with the younger market.
Oh for sure, Goon.I just see MS making huge strides into the market is really all I'm saying. What was once thought to be an inpenetrable market share stranglehold by Sony is now shaping up to at least be a fight.
Don't believe the hype, Joe. It's still Bill Gate's world, we're all just living in it.
Seriously though, it's interesting to watch M$ try and compete in a market where they can't rely on bullying, buying and stealing their way to the top. They actually have to innovate and compete with another giant company on an even playing field, Sony is not another bug they can just squash like so many other competitors. I refuse to buy into M$ as the underdog, even against a Goliath like Sony. They're too big, too cocky and too crooked for that.![[icon]](/data/avatars/m/5/5167.jpg?1660313464){kind=avatar}
I coudln't disagree more. There are several facts in the gaming world:
Those "bottom feaders" are a huge consideration when talking market share. How do you think Dell has an almost 20% share of PC sales? It's not from selling $3500 premium systems, it's from selling $400 boxes to bottom feeders. Playstation 2 isn't going away in the next year, all Sony has to do is keep moving units until the PS3 is ready. Then they have the inside track with name recognition and backwards compatibility. You may be right that M$ could gain 10 points in the next year with early adapters buying 360's, but I'd wager that a large percentage of those early adapters will also buy a PS3 when it launches. Gaining market share without equal competition in the market place is easy. But once PS3 launches, how do you see M$ winning over the incredibly large and loyal Playstation consumer base and getting them to buy 360 instead of PS3? It all comes down to killer apps. Halo 3 will move boxes, but not any more than Metal Gear Solid, GTA and Grand Turismo will. Getting your 10 points is the easy part with a year head start. Keeping the 10 points and growing it over the long term is the trick.]Regarding PS2 outsellling 360 this christmas... Duh. You mean a $100 console just reaching stage 3 of a console life cycle (hitting the bottom feeders) outsold a premium priced new release that was horribly short-supplied? No way! Someone alert the media!
I think that 6 months after the release of the PS3, Microsoft will have at gained at least 10 share points in the US market over the level they had just prior to the 360 launch. I'll be eager to see that data but I think that's a conservative estimate.
That may be easier said than done. Many consumers will throw on the brakes if they think the next version is just about to be released. I expect PS2 sales will slow significantly.
Okay.... so PS2 outsold 360 thanks to bottom feeders. The real question here is how did PS2 do ompared to XBOX during that same timeframe. I'd wager those numbers were MUCH MUCH closer (if not even). Sony lost share over the holidays. Regarding the head start... that's fine, the releases are staggered. But just as PS3 is hitting its' stride two years into release we will see the Next XBOX system.Those "bottom feaders" are a huge consideration when talking market share. How do you think Dell has an almost 20% share of PC sales? It's not from selling $3500 premium systems, it's from selling $400 boxes to bottom feeders. Playstation 2 isn't going away in the next year, all Sony has to do is keep moving units until the PS3 is ready. Then they have the inside track with name recognition and backwards compatibility. You may be right that M$ could gain 10 points in the next year with early adapters buying 360's, but I'd wager that a large percentage of those early adapters will also buy a PS3 when it launches. Gaining market share without equal competition in the market place is easy. But once PS3 launches, how do you see M$ winning over the incredibly large and loyal Playstation consumer base and getting them to buy 360 instead of PS3? It all comes down to killer apps. Halo 3 will move boxes, but not any more than Metal Gear Solid, GTA and Grand Turismo will. Getting your 10 points is the easy part with a year head start. Keeping the 10 points and growing it over the long term is the trick.,Feb 20 2006, 11:41 AM]Regarding PS2 outsellling 360 this christmas... Duh. You mean a $100 console just reaching stage 3 of a console life cycle (hitting the bottom feeders) outsold a premium priced new release that was horribly short-supplied? No way! Someone alert the media!
I think that 6 months after the release of the PS3, Microsoft will have at gained at least 10 share points in the US market over the level they had just prior to the 360 launch. I'll be eager to see that data but I think that's a conservative estimate.
Agreed, but more importantly development for PS2 games is not slowing down, and as long as compelling new games are available there is less of a need for the average consumer to upgrade. The longer Sony can hold out and keep people from jumping ship, the better chance those same cautious consumers will throw on the brakes and wait for PS3 instead of buying 360.
I dont see Sony falling short with blu ray with exclusive support from these studios........Sony Pictures
That may be - but not all titles are available for both system. I could be wrong but I thought the crossover titles were in the minority. So the PS3 looming on the horizon will probably have a greater impact on those considering a PS2. In fact, I'm interested in the PS2 games myself, but there's no way I'm buying one now just to have the urge to replace it in 9 months. I felt the same way about Xbox last summer - I want one but Ill wait for 360.
I don't gamble but I would be willing to place several "units" on those studios supporting both formats regardless of what they're saying now. That includes Sony pictures.
http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/17/directv...-360-dashboard/
One real hurdle I see with this is that 20G of storage gets gobbled up in a big hurry when you start talking about HD media. They'd need to address that.
Hi HT,Do you have the link for these companies being exclusive supporters?
I hear ya, goon, but they are clearly the underdog here. It's interesting to watch for the reasons you said.I'm one of the few that don't hate MS and I'm actually interested for the reasons you say - with everyone always charging them of unfair bullying etc, it's interesting to watch the succeed in an area where they are totally unable to do that. This is about smarts and business smarts and money.Don't believe the hype, Joe. It's still Bill Gate's world, we're all just living in it.
Hi Greg,Yes, I'd think most all would support Blu Ray. And HD-DVD. Huge difference between supporting Blu Ray and supporting Blu Ray exclusively though. That's what I was looking for.
Blu-Ray Board of Directors:Apple
Sure. Any word on the ones that are supporing blu ray exclusively?J
I hear ya, goon, but they are clearly the underdog here. It's interesting to watch for the reasons you said.I'm one of the few that don't hate MS and I'm actually interested for the reasons you say - with everyone always charging them of unfair bullying etc, it's interesting to watch the succeed in an area where they are totally unable to do that. This is about smarts and business smarts and money.Don't believe the hype, Joe. It's still Bill Gate's world, we're all just living in it.
J
In the end the consumer will get to choose the better format.
I'd like to know though. The first article I checked had HP switching from exclusive blu ray to supporting both.1/6/06 article
I'd like to see a full list of who is supporting exactly what.J
And from your link:
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but supporting blu ray is a very different from exclusively supporting blu ray.J
This could be huge. I can't have a dish in my condo, and want to get the ticket.I wonder what the anti-trust laws are like for something like this. They are already offering Direct TV thru Verizon FIOS, now 360. They are going to have a monopoly on TV soon, especially with exclusive programing such as the NFL.
the Disney non-exclusive listed is from 2004. With Steve Jobs now heading Disney they are blu ray as is Apple computer.Right now being exclusive doesnt matter much , if HD DVD sells more than blu ray you will see every studio except Sony jump to both. Remember Fox being divx exclusive ?
I'm not sure I follow your previous post then, HT.You said,
I would see exclusive support as a huge boost if it were there. And of course it woudl depend on how locked up this exclusive support was.I do agree with you that it makes sense for studios to support both.
All this means is you wouldn't be able to watch cable TV through your X-Box. I fail to see how that causes a monopoly on TV.This could be huge. I can't have a dish in my condo, and want to get the ticket.I wonder what the anti-trust laws are like for something like this. They are already offering Direct TV thru Verizon FIOS, now 360. They are going to have a monopoly on TV soon, especially with exclusive programing such as the NFL.
Thanks HT,That is helpful.
]I coudln't disagree more. There are several facts in the gaming world:
1) Games take a long time to be able to ramp up and maximize use of the internal graphics engine of the console.
2) The first batch of a console are riddled with flaws that are remedied with subsequent editions.
With that said, while the graphics engine might be superior with the playstation, the 360 games will arleady be be optimized for the engine an will be gorgeous. Also, the PS3 games will be in their infancy and likely won't be anywhere near what the PS3 is capable (much like madden 06 and tiger woods 06 are not anything close to what the 07 versions will look like. The gap in qualiity of graphics at the PS3 launch will be insignificant or could even favor the 360 at that point.
Regarding the hardware issues... while its' commmon sense that there were going to be some, I think you're going overboard with the (HD Isn't working) comment.... I know 3 friends/coworkers who have a 360 and all 3 are using HD setup without issues. Hell, my original XBOX looks great via Component cables. Any hardware probs will be long gone by the time the PS3 omes out... and the PS3 will have issues at launch as well.
Regarding your forthcoming links... all "Screen Shots" of PS3 graphics thus far have been simulated on a PC and are likely highly optimistic.
Regarding PS2 outsellling 360 this christmas... Duh. You mean a $100 console just reaching stage 3 of a console life cycle (hitting the bottom feeders) outsold a premium priced new release that was horribly short-supplied? No way! Someone alert the media!
I think that 6 months after the release of the PS3, Microsoft will have at gained at least 10 share points in the US market over the level they had just prior to the 360 launch. I'll be eager to see that data but I think that's a conservative estimate.
on all accounts.What a lot of people don't realize is that most games will look the same on the PS3 and 360. The only time there would be any real graphics advantage is if a particular game is made for only one console and not the other.
Hi icon, This makes sense to me. Unless there were huge sums of cash thrown around for exclusivity, I'd expect studios to go with both.
Actually, most games are developed for multiple platforms. Developers need to reach the widest audience possible, so it costs major $$ to sign a franchise to an exclusive agreement. All three major companies have their own in-house game developers as well, so those games are obviously platform specific (Halo, Mario... etc). But it costs major dollars to sign a third-party game (GTA, Resident Evil) to an exclusive deal.I own both PS2 and XBox. Most games I buy are availble for both systems, when that's the case I usually choose the XBox title because the graphics tend to be a bit better and I subscibe to XBox Live.
It does appear to be just a blade, but I wonder if one day they will make Direct TV available thru the 360. Make the 360 a cable box?Both Blue-Ray and HD-DVD will become useless when these come out http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,39020351,2107853,00.htmAll this means is you wouldn't be able to watch cable TV through your X-Box. I fail to see how that causes a monopoly on TV.This could be huge. I can't have a dish in my condo, and want to get the ticket.I wonder what the anti-trust laws are like for something like this. They are already offering Direct TV thru Verizon FIOS, now 360. They are going to have a monopoly on TV soon, especially with exclusive programing such as the NFL.
Unless DirecTV gave them a boat load of money I don't see why XBox or any other console would want to be exclusively cable or satellite. More likely there will be a DirecTV blade and a corresponding Cable blade. I'm sure it's DirecTV that is developing this, and it will be up to the Cable companies to develope their own version.
This is very true. Sony needs to take online gaming seriously, they tend to treat it as an afterthought right now. If anything is going to give M$ a chance to gain major ground, it would be Sony continuing to ignore online gaming. I see this as along the lines of Nintendo stubbornly sticking to cartridges for the N64 when CD-ROM was clearly the future. If Sony shows the same hubris in regards to online, it would open the door for M$, to be sure.Has anybody heard anything about Sony's online plans for PS3?]
Good use of hubris.This is very true. Sony needs to take online gaming seriously, they tend to treat it as an afterthought right now. If anything is going to give M$ a chance to gain major ground, it would be Sony continuing to ignore online gaming. I see this as along the lines of Nintendo stubbornly sticking to cartridges for the N64 when CD-ROM was clearly the future. If Sony shows the same hubris in regards to online, it would open the door for M$, to be sure.Has anybody heard anything about Sony's online plans for PS3?,Feb 20 2006, 03:10 PM]
