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I didn't get the impression that this would allow you to get DTV signal without a dish, just that the 360 could replace your DTV receiver/Tivo unit.This could be huge. I can't have a dish in my condo, and want to get the ticket.I wonder what the anti-trust laws are like for something like this. They are already offering Direct TV thru Verizon FIOS, now 360. They are going to have a monopoly on TV soon, especially with exclusive programing such as the NFL.
Sony has free online gameplay though. I have friends so i see no need to pay for a subscription, I primarily just download rosters anyways.]XBOX absolutely OWS Playstation when it comes to Online gameplay... and that is the fastest growing aspect of gaming. If Sony ignores this, it will cost them dearly.
Good question. And what are the key differences now?I know XBox allows you to have one screen name for all your games, while PS you could have different names across the board. And I think XBox allows you to switch games without disconnecting.This is very true. Sony needs to take online gaming seriously, they tend to treat it as an afterthought right now. If anything is going to give M$ a chance to gain major ground, it would be Sony continuing to ignore online gaming. I see this as along the lines of Nintendo stubbornly sticking to cartridges for the N64 when CD-ROM was clearly the future. If Sony shows the same hubris in regards to online, it would open the door for M$, to be sure.Has anybody heard anything about Sony's online plans for PS3?,Feb 20 2006, 03:10 PM]
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1) Sony's online gameplay is a shadow of what Xbox Live is.... not even close.... though it is rumored to be launching a pay service to compete with Live.2) I have friends as well.. but I also have a brother who lives 1000 miles away. It's nice to keep in touch through the occational game of tiger woods or madden. Especially with the headset so you can talk trash, etc. Very much like "being there".Sony has free online gameplay though. I have friends so i see no need to pay for a subscription, I primarily just download rosters anyways.,Feb 20 2006, 03:10 PM]
Someone needs to start elaborating, even if it is xbox vs ps2, unless this is supposed to be basic knowledge. You can start by responding to my post above. tia.,Feb 21 2006, 09:24 AM]
1) Sony's online gameplay is a shadow of what Xbox Live is.... not even close.... though it is rumored to be launching a pay service to compete with Live.2) I have friends as well.. but I also have a brother who lives 1000 miles away. It's nice to keep in touch through the occational game of tiger woods or madden. Especially with the headset so you can talk trash, etc. Very much like "being there".Sony has free online gameplay though. I have friends so i see no need to pay for a subscription, I primarily just download rosters anyways.,Feb 20 2006, 03:10 PM]
Xbox Live is better because:1) You log into a centralized server. This allows you to maintain a "buddies" list to see who is online... send voice and text messages back and forth. If someone is NOT online you can leave them a message that they will get immediately upon logging in.Good question. And what are the key differences now?I know XBox allows you to have one screen name for all your games, while PS you could have different names across the board. And I think XBox allows you to switch games without disconnecting.This is very true. Sony needs to take online gaming seriously, they tend to treat it as an afterthought right now. If anything is going to give M$ a chance to gain major ground, it would be Sony continuing to ignore online gaming. I see this as along the lines of Nintendo stubbornly sticking to cartridges for the N64 when CD-ROM was clearly the future. If Sony shows the same hubris in regards to online, it would open the door for M$, to be sure.Has anybody heard anything about Sony's online plans for PS3?,Feb 20 2006, 03:10 PM]
Sony is free.
Are the XBox servers better making the actual online gameplay better? Lag, glitching, etc?
Please see my post above, and let me know if you have any questions. Also, note that Microsoft is completely overhauling their Xbox Live software and data center for the 360 launch to include many new features and functionalities. Some obvious, some invisible to the user (ie intelligent matchmaking).
isn't that why they signed Capcom (I think) to release the RE games on GameCube before they release them on other platforms?
1. you forgot Final Fantasy/RPGS by Square-Enix...2. in regards to "killer apps", if they are most important, why isn't Nintendo #1 with stuff like Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda, RE, etc. on thier system? Doesn't Nintendo, really, have the most "killer apps"???Those "bottom feaders" are a huge consideration when talking market share. How do you think Dell has an almost 20% share of PC sales? It's not from selling $3500 premium systems, it's from selling $400 boxes to bottom feeders. Playstation 2 isn't going away in the next year, all Sony has to do is keep moving units until the PS3 is ready. Then they have the inside track with name recognition and backwards compatibility. You may be right that M$ could gain 10 points in the next year with early adapters buying 360's, but I'd wager that a large percentage of those early adapters will also buy a PS3 when it launches. Gaining market share without equal competition in the market place is easy. But once PS3 launches, how do you see M$ winning over the incredibly large and loyal Playstation consumer base and getting them to buy 360 instead of PS3? It all comes down to killer apps. Halo 3 will move boxes, but not any more than Metal Gear Solid, GTA and Grand Turismo will. Getting your 10 points is the easy part with a year head start. Keeping the 10 points and growing it over the long term is the trick.,Feb 20 2006, 11:41 AM]Regarding PS2 outsellling 360 this christmas... Duh. You mean a $100 console just reaching stage 3 of a console life cycle (hitting the bottom feeders) outsold a premium priced new release that was horribly short-supplied? No way! Someone alert the media!
I think that 6 months after the release of the PS3, Microsoft will have at gained at least 10 share points in the US market over the level they had just prior to the 360 launch. I'll be eager to see that data but I think that's a conservative estimate.
You CAN have a dish on your condo. It is illegal to restrict your use of a dish.See here.This could be huge. I can't have a dish in my condo, and want to get the ticket.I wonder what the anti-trust laws are like for something like this. They are already offering Direct TV thru Verizon FIOS, now 360. They are going to have a monopoly on TV soon, especially with exclusive programing such as the NFL.
I don't own the outside, so it falls under the common area issue. I can put it on my balcony, but I don't really want to do that.You CAN have a dish on your condo. It is illegal to restrict your use of a dish.See here.This could be huge. I can't have a dish in my condo, and want to get the ticket.I wonder what the anti-trust laws are like for something like this. They are already offering Direct TV thru Verizon FIOS, now 360. They are going to have a monopoly on TV soon, especially with exclusive programing such as the NFL.
The stealth move on Microsoft's part is that they've partnered with the phone companies in their build out of their video networks. So within 5 years you'll have a Microsoft internet/HD enabled game box in your house, Microsoft software on your PC and cell phone and Microsoft software (Windows Media 9/VC-1) driving the content to a significant minority of the video (i.e. cable) subscribers in the US.When that happens, guess which formats will prevail?Don't believe the hype, Joe. It's still Bill Gate's world, we're all just living in it.Seriously though, it's interesting to watch M$ try and compete in a market where they can't rely on bullying, buying and stealing their way to the top. They actually have to innovate and compete with another giant company on an even playing field, Sony is not another bug they can just squash like so many other competitors. I refuse to buy into M$ as the underdog, even against a Goliath like Sony. They're too big, too cocky and too crooked for that.
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The stealth move on Microsoft's part is that they've partnered with the phone companies in their build out of their video networks. So within 5 years you'll have a Microsoft internet/HD enabled game box in your house, Microsoft software on your PC and cell phone and Microsoft software (Windows Media 9/VC-1) driving the content to a significant minority of the video (i.e. cable) subscribers in the US.When that happens, guess which formats will prevail?Don't believe the hype, Joe. It's still Bill Gate's world, we're all just living in it.
They have been planning the merger of all these media forms and service for some time now. I like the idea of increased compatability amongst all of these devices.
Nintendo lost the war when they made the arrogant decision to stick with a cartridge-based system for N64. Sure, they had the killer app in Mario 64 (and later Zelda 64) to initially sell machines, but their overall library of games couldn't compete with Playstation. The memory capacity of the cartridge was so low compared to CD-ROM that developers couldn't port games to both consoles. Add in the higher production costs of the cartridge and you have a limited library of games for N64 costing $59.99 per title vs. $39.99 for Playstation discs. Playstation also had a year or two head start, a huge installed base and their own roster of killer apps: Tomb Raider, Metal Gear, Resident Evil, Gran Turismo... etc. All of this made for a decidely uneven playing field, Nintendo's apps couldn't overcome the strategic mistakes the company made. I'm not much of a Nintendo fan, so maybe someone else can chime in. Moving forward, I just don't see Nintendo's properties having a broad enough appeal to the average (18-25+) video game purchaser. Their games appeal mainly to kids and game purists. I don't how they can swing that audience away from Playstation or XBox at this point. They are just so far behind and don't have enough apps with adult appeal.
Nintendo will always be around for the simple reason that there will always be kids to play with and fall in love with their games. They do have a good line up of adult apps, such as Res Evil 4 that was a gamecube exclusive for a long time, the new Zelda coming out, sprots games, etc. Also -- don't underestimate the backwards compatibility of the Revolution coming out. You're telling me no adults now wouldn't want to go back and play all the Super Mario bros, Mike Tyson's punch out, and every game that they grew into adults while playing?
I bet you Nintendo is going to start cracking down big-time on emulation as soon as the Revolution is released...
Hi Goon,I hear you. Although I will say I loved those bomb proof Nintendo cartridges for the little kids who are not as careful with handling the games.
It wouldn't make a difference even if they did.
I haven't read the whole thread yet (I'm busy with the PSP price drop thing) but I have two things. 1: The price won't be anywhere close to $800 so don't worry about that.They'd have to drop the ball on this pretty badly to allow Nintendo even a portion of their market share back.
I believe we have a Sony insider on the board. Waiting to hear what he has to say.
Blu-Ray has shored up slightly more support from the studios then HD-DVD has (think 55-45) ans Sony will have a Blue-Ray player in the market by late spring/early summer.
Blu Ray is a terrible name compared to HD-DVD. Just awful.
I'd call this nearly 2 strikes against Sony.
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Apart from my all-time favs, I wouldn't pay $40 either, but once they drop to about $20, I'll be all over it. Now that I have an HDTV, even digital cable doesn't quite look right. Once you've got it, you won't want to see them in any other format....
The same people that paid $69.95 for VHS taped movies when they came out....
people paid $70 for VHS tapes??man, I wouldn't pay more than $10 for DVDs now, minus a few exceptions... that's nuts...
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I would think that Microsoft would be cleaning up right now, but I haven't seen any more 360s available, and really haven't seen that many games being put out. You'd think they'd be more aggressive.
The people that have the money for the technology will pay that. It's all about having the new ####.And the studios have said one of their biggest mistakes in the DVD format was dropping the prices too quickly. One big reason people aren't going to see movies in the theaters as much.
From what Microsoft has said, and what a friend of mine that is a Gamestop manager said, you should be able to walk into any store and buy any flavor of 360 within the next month or so.I agree. All I see are "bundles". F that....
news sites are reporting under 200 and possible $150...that would rock...
That would be huge. No doubt they would dominate the young kids market even more if this is the case.
young kids?? I wouldn't be surprised if Revolution was the #1 selling system period, the lower the price is the better of Nintendo is...
Until they get more and better "adult" titles they won't be overtaking XBOX or PS
