Pope Francis 12.17.36 - 4.21.25 (1 Viewer)

[Nick Vermeil]

Not much to report from the Vatican other than it was jam packed and we were likely part of the last day (or two) of tours to get into the Sistine Chapel until after the next pope is named. I get the sense that most have been expecting his death so there isn’t a lot of grief. Rather there is celebration of a life a mostly good man as far as popes go.

There is a bit of dread from the locals I’ve interacted with that the next pope will follow in the recent line of elections world wide (including Italy’s) and be socially more conservative. Not a political statement, Joe. Just what your intrepid reporter is hearing in the ground.

This is Nick Vermeil, signing off from Rome.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Not much to report from the Vatican other than it was jam packed and we were likely part of the last day (or two) of tours to get into the Sistine Chapel until after the next pope is named. I get the sense that most have been expecting his death so there isn’t a lot of grief. Rather there is celebration of a life a mostly good man as far as popes go.

There is a bit of dread from the locals I’ve interacted with that the next pope will follow in the recent line of elections world wide (including Italy’s) and be socially more conservative. Not a political statement, Joe. Just what your intrepid reporter is hearing in the ground.

This is Nick Vermeil, signing off from Rome.

Thank you GB. And thanks for keeping us updated. That's amazing you're there.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Dumb question I'm sure I could google - how exactly is the next Pope chosen?

It's basically a cage match. All cardinals under the age of 80 are sealed in secrecy within the Sistine Chapel. They vote up to 4 times/day until one candidate gets two-thirds of the total vote. If they don't reach 2/3 majority, they burn the ballots and black smoke is emitted from the chapel's chimney. If they reach 2/3 majority, they burn the ballots, and white smoke is released. That's a signal to the world that a new pope has been elected.

Thank you. So the Pope is decided by the Cardinals? How many are there?

Do they make speeches and such and try to make their case for a candidate? Are some of the Cardinals more powerful than others?

And really dumb question, is the new Pope always one of the Cardinals?

 

[Ilov80s]

Not much to report from the Vatican other than it was jam packed and we were likely part of the last day (or two) of tours to get into the Sistine Chapel until after the next pope is named. I get the sense that most have been expecting his death so there isn’t a lot of grief. Rather there is celebration of a life a mostly good man as far as popes go.

There is a bit of dread from the locals I’ve interacted with that the next pope will follow in the recent line of elections world wide (including Italy’s) and be socially more conservative. Not a political statement, Joe. Just what your intrepid reporter is hearing in the ground.

This is Nick Vermeil, signing off from Rome.

It’s got to be pretty damn packed. I know it’s early in the season but with it being the jubilee, they are expecting record shattering numbers of visitors to Rome. How are you liking the trip? Been there before?

 

[TennesseeJed]

Not much to report from the Vatican other than it was jam packed and we were likely part of the last day (or two) of tours to get into the Sistine Chapel until after the next pope is named. I get the sense that most have been expecting his death so there isn’t a lot of grief. Rather there is celebration of a life a mostly good man as far as popes go.

There is a bit of dread from the locals I’ve interacted with that the next pope will follow in the recent line of elections world wide (including Italy’s) and be socially more conservative. Not a political statement, Joe. Just what your intrepid reporter is hearing in the ground.

This is Nick Vermeil, signing off from Rome.

I think it’s going to be an interesting election.

A lot of reports recently that Pope Francis was battling conservatives behind the scenes. But, I think I read that he has appointed close to 70% of the eligible cardinals, who you might think would want to continue along the existing path.

Certainly interesting, and it will be a consequential decision.

 

[Scoresman]

I don't remember where I saw this and cant find it now, but yesterday I saw a chart someone posted of the likely candidates and a quick summary of their views and they were all incredibly conservative save for two.

And it had stuff like "is against altar girls".

Edit: Found it. https://preview.redd.it/who-will-be...bp&s=dfad1389c832153dd117cdfaa24f629d0979eeaf

I can delete if this is too political.

 

[TennesseeJed]

Dumb question I'm sure I could google - how exactly is the next Pope chosen?

It's basically a cage match. All cardinals under the age of 80 are sealed in secrecy within the Sistine Chapel. They vote up to 4 times/day until one candidate gets two-thirds of the total vote. If they don't reach 2/3 majority, they burn the ballots and black smoke is emitted from the chapel's chimney. If they reach 2/3 majority, they burn the ballots, and white smoke is released. That's a signal to the world that a new pope has been elected.

Thank you. So the Pope is decided by the Cardinals? How many are there?

Do they make speeches and such and try to make their case for a candidate? Are some of the Cardinals more powerful than others?

And really dumb question, is the new Pope always one of the Cardinals?

I think I read there are 135 eligible Cardinals. All Cardinals under 80 are eligible to take place in the Conclave.

The Vatican is no different than any other political body - there are factions and people have undoubtedly been posturing for the position for years.

The conclave is pretty secretive and I don’t think there are any formal speeches- though conversations take place. Votes are in secret.

The new Pope does not have to be a Cardinal. Until John Paul II, they were almost always (for centuries) Italian.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

Not much to report from the Vatican other than it was jam packed and we were likely part of the last day (or two) of tours to get into the Sistine Chapel until after the next pope is named. I get the sense that most have been expecting his death so there isn’t a lot of grief. Rather there is celebration of a life a mostly good man as far as popes go.

There is a bit of dread from the locals I’ve interacted with that the next pope will follow in the recent line of elections world wide (including Italy’s) and be socially more conservative. Not a political statement, Joe. Just what your intrepid reporter is hearing in the ground.

This is Nick Vermeil, signing off from Rome.

It’s got to be pretty damn packed. I know it’s early in the season but with it being the jubilee, they are expecting record shattering numbers of visitors to Rome. How are you liking the trip? Been there before?

Milan, Venice and Rome (holy people Batman!) on this trip. First time in Italy for me and my 13 and 9 year old boys. My wife lived in Venice for a semester and has been to Rome. Trip has been incredible, but I’m exhausted. A lot for a spring break. Putting the wine down now. Flying back tomorrow and then reality on Thursday.

 

[Ilov80s]

Not much to report from the Vatican other than it was jam packed and we were likely part of the last day (or two) of tours to get into the Sistine Chapel until after the next pope is named. I get the sense that most have been expecting his death so there isn’t a lot of grief. Rather there is celebration of a life a mostly good man as far as popes go.

There is a bit of dread from the locals I’ve interacted with that the next pope will follow in the recent line of elections world wide (including Italy’s) and be socially more conservative. Not a political statement, Joe. Just what your intrepid reporter is hearing in the ground.

This is Nick Vermeil, signing off from Rome.

It’s got to be pretty damn packed. I know it’s early in the season but with it being the jubilee, they are expecting record shattering numbers of visitors to Rome. How are you liking the trip? Been there before?

Milan, Venice and Rome (holy people Batman!) on this trip. First time in Italy for me and my 13 and 9 year old boys. My wife lived in Venice for a semester and has been to Rome. Trip has been incredible, but I’m exhausted. A lot for a spring break. Putting the wine down now. Flying back tomorrow and then reality on Thursday.

Awesome. We did Venice and Rome last June. Loved it.

 

[Psychopav]

Dumb question I'm sure I could google - how exactly is the next Pope chosen?

It's basically a cage match. All cardinals under the age of 80 are sealed in secrecy within the Sistine Chapel. They vote up to 4 times/day until one candidate gets two-thirds of the total vote. If they don't reach 2/3 majority, they burn the ballots and black smoke is emitted from the chapel's chimney. If they reach 2/3 majority, they burn the ballots, and white smoke is released. That's a signal to the world that a new pope has been elected.

Thank you. So the Pope is decided by the Cardinals? How many are there?

Do they make speeches and such and try to make their case for a candidate? Are some of the Cardinals more powerful than others?

And really dumb question, is the new Pope always one of the Cardinals?

I think I read there are 135 eligible Cardinals. All Cardinals under 80 are eligible to take place in the Conclave.

The Vatican is no different than any other political body - there are factions and people have undoubtedly been posturing for the position for years.

The conclave is pretty secretive and I don’t think there are any formal speeches- though conversations take place. Votes are in secret.

The new Pope does not have to be a Cardinal. Until John Paul II, they were almost always (for centuries) Italian.

Technically, a cardinal doesn't even have to be a priest. But practically speaking that doesn't matter. The new pope will be a current cardinal, same as it ever was.

That said, I suspect the conclave works similar to many parishes around the world. There are political creatures and pastoral creatures, and some of each are more orthodox (conservative) and some of each are less orthodox (liberal). At the end of the day, the conclave is a process of discernment that that uses the process of the ballot box to facilitate the decision. Some will say it's all politics. Some will say it's not. In the end, it doesn't really matter to the Spirit or the faithful. That's the beauty of the faith.

As with everything else in the Church, imperfect people will make the perfect decision - despite themselves.

 

[HellToupee]

The new Pope does not have to be a Cardinal.

Yes , they must be a bishop

 

[BlackCrowes]

What can we do to make Pope Pizzaballa happen?

Write to your cardinal. Call his office.

You can also sign up to phone bank, knock doors, or write postcards. Whatever you’re comfortable doing and there’s bound to be something that fits your schedule.

I’m block walking for Tagle

 

[Runkle]

The new Pope does not have to be a Cardinal. Until John Paul II, they were almost always (for centuries) Italian.

Technically, any baptized male could be elected Pope. It's actually possible for some random civilian to be Pope, US Speaker of the House, and the Dalai Lama all at the same time. (the last time a non-bishop was elected pope, like 1000 years ago, the cardinals first promoted him to bishop and then to pope)

I may have faxed in my resume for these and/or other open jobs that have no pre-qualifications in the past...

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The new Pope does not have to be a Cardinal.

Yes , they must be a bishop

They also must know how to move diagonally.

 

[HellToupee]

The new Pope does not have to be a Cardinal. Until John Paul II, they were almost always (for centuries) Italian.

Technically, any baptized male could be elected Pope. It's actually possible for some random civilian to be Pope, US Speaker of the House, and the Dalai Lama all at the same time. (the last time a non-bishop was elected pope, like 1000 years ago, the cardinals first promoted him to bishop and then to pope)

I may have faxed in my resume for these and/or other open jobs that have no pre-qualifications in the past...

They have to be a bishop to be Pope. Now they could take any baptized male could be consecrated bishop before officially accepting election.

 

[TennesseeJed]

The new Pope does not have to be a Cardinal. Until John Paul II, they were almost always (for centuries) Italian.

Technically, any baptized male could be elected Pope. It's actually possible for some random civilian to be Pope, US Speaker of the House, and the Dalai Lama all at the same time. (the last time a non-bishop was elected pope, like 1000 years ago, the cardinals first promoted him to bishop and then to pope)

I may have faxed in my resume for these and/or other open jobs that have no pre-qualifications in the past...

They have to be a bishop to be Pope. Now they could take any baptized male could be consecrated bishop before officially accepting election.

Per Canon Law:

Can. 332 §1. The Roman Pontiff obtains full and supreme power in the Church by his acceptance of legitimate election together with episcopal consecration. Therefore, a person elected to the supreme pontificate who is marked with episcopal character obtains this power from the moment of acceptance. If the person elected lacks episcopal character, however, he is to be ordained a bishop immediately.