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Portis OUT (1 Viewer)

I feel like i am watching Pats press conferences -- all vague innuendo and no hard facts.

I believe it that Portis may be on the outs with Gibbs - coach sounds increasingly frustrated with Portis and it could explain the Duckett acquisition and the wishy-washiness of his comments. He needs his top RB in there but the guy is pissing him off.

 
So let's see if we can clarify things a bit:

Gibbs -- Doubtful

AP/ESPN/Number of other media sources -- Out

Portis -- GTD

Yup, that sure looks pretty clear all right.

:D

 
TeddyKGB said:
After listening to Bram Weinstein, beat reporter for the Skins for Danny Snyder's radio station, it's safe to say this is the maybe the most confusing situation in the history of history. Among Bram's throughts and speculation:

1) Portis is legit injured and played too much last week. Suspects he was running on adrenaline and should not have played as much as he did, if at all.

2) He reinjured himself last week in the same shoulder, but not in the same spot (consistent with the vague comments from Gibbs). This new injury has set him back to where he did not practice at all this week. He thinks the Skins may be worried for his season.

3) Portis may be partially in Gibbs's doghouse.

4) He tends to believe Gibbs here in that Portis will likely NOT play.

Take it for what its worth. I don't believe either side is telling the full truth, and I currently harbor much frustration with all parties involved. This is a cluster-eff.
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Haven't the injury reports for today come out? NFL.com lists him as 'questionable' still -- I would assume they know what his 'official' status is at - and it doesn't appear to be at 'Out'.

Who knows? My head hurts, that's the only thing I know.

 
packersfan said:
doughboydeluxe said:
packersfan said:
So let's see if we can clarify things a bit:Gibbs -- DoubtfulAP/ESPN/Number of other media sources -- OutPortis -- GTDYup, that sure looks pretty clear all right. :D
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Gibbs never said "doubtful." He said "downgraded." Not that it makes it any clearer or anything.
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Portis was questionable on Thursday. Gibbs said Portis would be downgraded a notch. The next notch down is doubtful.
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how does this not make sense to people?he's doubtful to play. 25% chance, regardless of if espn hit or missed on maroney.gibbs does not equal maroney.if anything i'd say that espn would be MORE careful now in declaring players out.
 
Both back up are available in my league. Not sure if this is true in every league. But I don't here much talk about picking up Betts or Duckett.

Are they just not worth the roster spot?

 
packersfan said:
Just saw Friday's updated NFL injury report (no link, sorry) and Portis is now listed as Doubtful.
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off of Nfl.comWashington Redskins at Dallas Cowboys

WAS

OUT CB Shawn Springs (Abdomen)

DOUBTFUL RB Clinton Portis (Shoulder)

PROBABLE TE Christian Fauria (Shin)

DE Renaldo Wynn (Ankle)

 
Real Man of Genius said:
TeddyKGB said:
After listening to Bram Weinstein, beat reporter for the Skins for Danny Snyder's radio station, it's safe to say this is the maybe the most confusing situation in the history of history. Among Bram's throughts and speculation:

1) Portis is legit injured and played too much last week. Suspects he was running on adrenaline and should not have played as much as he did, if at all.

2) He reinjured himself last week in the same shoulder, but not in the same spot (consistent with the vague comments from Gibbs). This new injury has set him back to where he did not practice at all this week. He thinks the Skins may be worried for his season.

3) Portis may be partially in Gibbs's doghouse.

4) He tends to believe Gibbs here in that Portis will likely NOT play.

Take it for what its worth. I don't believe either side is telling the full truth, and I currently harbor much frustration with all parties involved. This is a cluster-eff.
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Pure speculation by the reporter. Honestly, nobody here knows what is going on. They just keep talking about it here on John Riggins's radio show, and everybody is clueless. Nobody really thinks his season is in question...they haven't been talking about that, anyways.
 
Wooderson said:
Both back up are available in my league. Not sure if this is true in every league. But I don't here much talk about picking up Betts or Duckett.Are they just not worth the roster spot?
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i'm playing the guy who has portis this week; so i definitely picked up betts to be on the safe side; also, someone else already had duckett, thank goodness. all in all, i probably won't keep betts longer than this weekend unless something drastic happens.
 
Instead of flatly saying "he won't play", Gibbs said "if you don't practice you won't play." That leaves him an out, such as he had a good walk-through tomorrow. :shrug:

 
The question here becomes "Is Betts, Duckett, or Cartwright a starter in any format?"

Dallas allowed Rush: 21 - 74 - 1, Rec: 6 - 41 - 0 (6 targets) to Fred Taylor last week. Betts is a pretty good receiving back and may put up decent numbers if he gets the majority of the touches.

I can't see Duckett being too involved in the offense after just a few weeks in an offense who's playbook contains 700 pages. So does Cartwright see enough action to make Betts a bad play or do we believe the preseason hype about how much they liked Betts?

 
Aaronstory said:
Todem said:
GroveDiesel said:
Sounds to me like Gibbs isn't happy that Portis isn't practicing. And he's going to make his point by keeping Portis on the bench this week.
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And go 0-2 in the process. they have no shot without him. Sorry that's a fact.
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Because playing him at less than 100% helped get them to 1-0....um...wait....
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I agree. This should have been a get the shoulder 100% and see you in week 3 or 4 situation. I would not be a happy camper if I was a Redskins fan right now. The decision making seems a bit shaky.
 
monkeysee said:
Aaronstory said:
Todem said:
GroveDiesel said:
Sounds to me like Gibbs isn't happy that Portis isn't practicing. And he's going to make his point by keeping Portis on the bench this week.
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And go 0-2 in the process. they have no shot without him. Sorry that's a fact.
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Because playing him at less than 100% helped get them to 1-0....um...wait....
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I agree. This should have been a get the shoulder 100% and see you in week 3 or 4 situation. I would not be a happy camper if I was a Redskins fan right now. The decision making seems a bit shaky.
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It's a fuster cluck out at Reskin Park. Most of us Skins fans aren't at all happy about it.Chalk up a second loss for the Skins. This is what happens when you take a playoff team that looked to be heading in the right direction and blow everything up. Saunders may pay dividends down the road but the qb is admitting that he doesn't know the offense yet. Not good. At least he knew the old offense(the one that actually got them to the playoffs last year despite the fact that they had only one wr who was worth a damn).Take the Boys and give the 6. It's a lock. Start TO and Glenn no matter what. Skins D is getting exposed again this week. No quality backups in the secondary.
 
FWIW

From KFFL

Redskins | Portis has not been told he will not play Week 2

Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:58:25 -0700

Ryan O'Halloran, of the Washington Times, reports Washington Redskins RB Clinton Portis (shoulder) is expected to be a gametime decision for the Week 2 game. He has not been told he will not play in the game.

Doesn't THAT clear things up?

 
I hope Gibbs just shuts him down this week. If he had just given Portis the first two weeks off - the Skins would be 0-2, BUT their stud RB would be ready to carry the load. Instead, the Skins will be 0-2 and their franchise back is probably going to be fighting this shoulder crap straight thru the bye week. Reguardless of how it affects us Portis owners - playing Portis week 1 was a pretty POOR football decision on Gibbs part. :wall:

 
IMHO this looks like Gibbs wondering if Portis is milking the injury to miss practice yet be ready for gameday. Wouldn't surprise me much if Portis sat this week out of principle. It also wouldn't surprise me if Gibbs does an about face now that the message was sent.

 
My prediction is that Gibb is pissed that Portis is not practicing (I think Gibbs thinks he should be out there).

So to motivate him, he says if he does not practice he cannot play (kinda like what Parcell's has said ).

 
Direct Link to Washington Times story cited by KFFL

The saga of Clinton Portis' injured shoulder took another wild twist today when Washington coach Joe Gibbs said the Redskins' star running back won't play Sunday in Dallas [...] while Portis said he planned to play.

"Clinton didn't practice today," Gibbs said. "He'll probably tell me he can play on gameday, but [...] if a guy doesn't practice, he's not going to play, so we'll downgrade him [to doubtful].

"It's really just because of soreness," Gibbs added. "Actually, it's in a different spot in his shoulder. He's got some soreness there that lingered and kept him from practicing. Hopefully, he's going to be back next week."

But, that game next week is a much less critical contest with AFC lightweight Houston, as opposed to Sunday's date with NFC East archrival Cowboys.

"I feel a lot different than yesterday," Portis said. "I feel better. Yesterday, I was really sore. Today, you see how I'm moving around. As of now, my bag's packed and ready to go to Dallas. We have seen some miracle things happen. This ain't no situation for me not to be playing in."

Portis entered Monday's season-opening loss to Minnesota late in the first quarter and wound up with more carries (10-8) and yards (39-22) than starter Ladell Betts. He also scored Washington's only touchdown.

Apparently, Betts will start again in Dallas with T.J. Duckett, who didn't play against the Vikings, and Rock Cartwright, who only saw action on special teams, as his backups.

"As far as I know, [Gibbs] is leaving it up to me," Portis said. "I didn't know the decision had been made. I thought it was a game-time decision. Am I up or down, playing or not? Whatever's best for the team."
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SteelerMurf said:
My prediction is that Gibb is pissed that Portis is not practicing (I think Gibbs thinks he should be out there).So to motivate him, he says if he does not practice he cannot play (kinda like what Parcell's has said ).
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I don't disagree with this conclusion, but here is what concerns me: Portis' rep, in my eyes, was of a tough, play hurt kind of RB. So that leaves three options:1) Portis isn't a tough, play/practice hurt kind of RB2) Portis is mad at Gibbs/Skins and not practicing as a "protest"3) Portis really is too hurt to practiceNone of those options are good.
 
SteelerMurf said:
My prediction is that Gibb is pissed that Portis is not practicing (I think Gibbs thinks he should be out there).So to motivate him, he says if he does not practice he cannot play (kinda like what Parcell's has said ).
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ahhhh... a ploy to motivate!!!!!!like that Tatum Bell guy huh? :bag:
 
Why does this feel like last week all over again? By last Friday there was basically no chance of Portis playing, then by Monday afternoon he's ready to play a backup role.

I bet by Sunday afternoon there will be news that Portis will suit up for the Sunday night game and play a limited role.

 
surprised no one has brought this possibility up...

Gibbs and Portis are saying opposite things, basically, to screw with Parcells and the 'Boys and keep them off balance.

it's certainly screwing with everyone's head here (including mine, I have no insight on whether or not he's playing either...)

 
The Fish said:
surprised no one has brought this possibility up...Gibbs and Portis are saying opposite things, basically, to screw with Parcells and the 'Boys and keep them off balance.it's certainly screwing with everyone's head here (including mine, I have no insight on whether or not he's playing either...)
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I think others have eluded to this. I said last week that I'm not listening to any of the BS that does on with Gibbs and Portis this week. I don't care what is said...he's playing IMO.I have him starting over T. Bell and F. Taylor. If I hear something definitive on NFL countdown, then I'll pull him...but I agree, these are mind games.
 
If Gibbs doesn't play Portis Washington will be in an uproar. They have to have him to win this game. He's only got soreness, no further injury...he'll be fine during the game. It's after when it bothers him.

 
and AGAIN, to make situations worse, Portis plays after the the majortiy of games have been decided... so if they are saying GTD Sunday morning, you have to roll the dice

i think i might start Addai :cry:

 
Deuce said:
If Gibbs doesn't play Portis Washington will be in an uproar. They have to have him to win this game. He's only got soreness, no further injury...he'll be fine during the game. It's after when it bothers him.
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I doubt you will find one RB in the NFL whose shoulder is not sore after a game. If Portis didn't re-injure it, he should be practicing. I think this was Gibbs way of telling Portis, get out here. As a Portis owner, sit him until next week when they play Houston. I can't start Portis cause of the late game.
 
Ok, I just listened to Gibbs' comments verbatim per the video posted on the Redskins.com website, and I'm struck by how they differ from "Portis is out". Here's what he said:

"Probably what everybody will ask about is Clinton. He didn't practice today and so we'll probably downgrade him. It's really just because of soreness, he hasn't been able to get the soreness out. It's actually in a different spot in his shoulder, so I think it's just an issue of he had some soreness linger that kept him from practicing this week so we'll downgrade him."

[in response to a question about whether he'd (therefore) leave Portis out (of the lineup) this weekend.]

"Well, you know, if a guy doesn't practice he's not going to play, so we'll downgrade him. I would say that he'd probably tell me he can play on gameday (chuckling), but he didn't practice, so we'll grade him down accordingly."

[Asked about Ladell Betts being Portis' replacement]

"Yeah, Ladell, TJ and Rock will be our group."

[Asked whether it's a disappointment to not have "him" for such a big game.]

"Yeah, anytime you're obviously missing players- obviously we're missing Priolieu. Certainly Clinton means a lot to our team, he's one of our leaders, but it's tough. You've just got to realize that what I'm thankful of is that it's not going to be something- it'll be something- hopefully he's going to be back next week, so that would be my hope."

[He was asked questions about other players over the course of 20 more seconds, the last question being "Is Shawn Springs out?"]

"Yeah, Shawn's out."

I have to say that I think this is deception, pure and simple. When he spoke of not practicing means you don't play, he spoke generally and not about Clinton. The only things he said about Clinton directly were:

1) He didn't practice during the week because of lingering soreness (in a different spot on the shoulder);

2) they would downgrade him (which they did, to "Doubtful");

3) he means a lot to the team;

4) hopefully they'll have him for next week's game.

Notably, when asked a direct question about Shawn Springs being "out", he stated unequivocally, "Yeah, Shawn's out." He never did that with Clinton., and in fact he seemed to deflect the question to Pierson Priolieu who everyone already knows is lost for the season.

I don't have Clinton on my rosters so it's not my risk, but I think he's going to play. Now, how much he plays and how effectively is anyone's guess, but that's my read.

EDIT to add: my read on Gibbs' modus operandi when speaking to the press is 1) they are the enemy given how precious accurate information is in today's ultra-competitive NFL, 2) he rarely comes out and says something clearly if he can avoid it, the only exceptions being obvious facts or harmless facts, or perhaps things compelled by league policy (e.g. Springs being out); and 3) his personal ethics steer him away from deception through outright lying, meaning that instead of saying one thing and intending another he'll instead deflect or reframe a question that puts him on the spot.

 
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September 16, 2006, 11:01Redskins :: RBRB Portis Says He Is Game-Time DecisionHoward Bryant, Washington Post - [Full Article]Redskins HC Joe Gibbs said yesterday that RB Clinton Portis's status for tomorrow's game would be downgraded to doubtful. But for the second consecutive week, Gibbs and Portis did not communicate the same message about his health. "I can't do anything but tell you to wait until Sunday," Portis said. "We've seen some miracle days happen. This isn't a situation for me not to be playing." Yesterday, Gibbs said because Portis didn't practice this week, he likely would not play in Dallas. But Portis said his practice schedule this week was no different than last. Portis said "I don't make the decisions around here. The best way to say it is that I'm a game-time decision.
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redman said:
[Asked whether it's a disappointment to not have "him" for such a big game.]

"Yeah, anytime you're obviously missing players- obviously we're missing Priolieu. Certainly Clinton means a lot to our team, he's one of our leaders, but it's tough. You've just got to realize that what I'm thankful of is that it's not going to be something- it'll be something- hopefully he's going to be back next week, so that would be my hope."
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that WOULD be his hope..... IF his lil act of doubt was true... but it's not, it's an act. Very telling quote

 
Like I said before, I think he plays. This is so much like last week, I think they're playing games.

I will keep Portis in the lineup, and since he has a 8pm game, I should be able to sub in Tatum (4pm game) if something comes up before then.

If no additional info is given, Portis is in my lineup.

 
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