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Possible Watershed Moment for Trump? (1 Viewer)
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JbizzleMan
Footballguy
Wat?
@ddale8
Asked about his criticism of Obama not being tougher re Ebola, Trump says, "This is a much different problem than Ebola. Ebola, you disintegrated. Especially at the beginning." He says this is different because it's "a flu."
@ddale8
Asked about his criticism of Obama not being tougher re Ebola, Trump says, "This is a much different problem than Ebola. Ebola, you disintegrated. Especially at the beginning." He says this is different because it's "a flu."
The General
Footballguy
Pence does an excellent job of standing there looking concerned about everything.
JbizzleMan
Footballguy
hagmania
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Easy question to end on...walk away!
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I thought it was a fair press conference, some downplaying, but you don’t need hysteria.
The flu thing is bull####, this is like 20x more deadly, that’s nonsense.
The flu thing is bull####, this is like 20x more deadly, that’s nonsense.
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The General
Footballguy
He says he'll do more of these.
Please make this happen when talking about regular stuff and not end of the world pandemics.
Please make this happen when talking about regular stuff and not end of the world pandemics.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
No impact at all for 33%, huge negative impact for another 33%, another 34% won`t even know or care what happened.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
I voted yes. I think if it gets bad it hurts him as a healthcare crisis and also probably hurts the economy.
The General
Footballguy
This should have been a cakewalk for him. He did a good job.
Hard part though is probably making sure this doesn't become a real thing and not reading a speech and taking a few questions.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Nobody knows what will happen in November but even though I am not a fan Trump was good tonight as he should be. As far as the flu comparison I have heard the stats compared to the flu many times in the last couple weeks.
Jackstraw
Footballguy
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Its kind of like the old fantasy football axiom, you can't win your league with your first pick but you sure can lose it. I don't think if this is abated or contained in any reasonable way it will benefit him nearly as much as anything approaching significant disruption will hurt him. If the NCAA Tournament is played in empty arenas, or further down the road if we have to cancel graduations from high school and college due to a limitation on public gatherings, that will sting. This story will also continue into the fall so he's got to thread this needle.
That said, I feel strangely at ease and comforted with him in charge, thought he did ok in this presser save for the political stuff with Pelosi but I think him putting together teams is to his strengths. Lets hope anyway. The metaphor is never more true than now, we are all in the same lifeboat so lets not root for the leak.
That said, I feel strangely at ease and comforted with him in charge, thought he did ok in this presser save for the political stuff with Pelosi but I think him putting together teams is to his strengths. Lets hope anyway. The metaphor is never more true than now, we are all in the same lifeboat so lets not root for the leak.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
He has an acting job waiting for him after politics.
"Concerned Man in Background"
The General
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
- Flu mortality rate 0.1%
- Covid 19 mortality rate 2-3% estimates at this time
It’s a terrible comparison!
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caustic
Footballguy
I’m a single-issue voter, and that issue is decorum during coronavirus press conferences. President Trump locked up my vote tonight.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Wonder if there could be a flip side to this.... and Ill preface by saying, we are all prone to being in our information silos, we may we gravitate to that what we connect with. But my first reaction to Trump's presser was... solid... not a perfect call, but, ok, the players are in their proper spots on the field, lets see how the game plays out.
And I flip to see the punditry on msNBC and on the young turks... and its an instant crush of negativity. I'm not asking for pollyanna coverage but there was not one bone to be thrown here? The coverage felt way more like an attack on a standard level for them, I have to if a completely partisan field of coverage won't finally sour people on these outlets.
Now this is an absolutely imperfect analogy and I know this isn't 9/11, but its a probably the first situation since that time that could really touch every corner of the nation (perhaps the 2008 crash too but thankfully that was reasonably well managed). We all knew Bush was a moron going into 9/11 but I certainly don't recall a climate where he was attacked standing on top of the rubble. If the media, even fellow candidates, come after him too hard if he's taking the good faith steps to deal with an emergency created halfway around the world, that could backfire too.
And I flip to see the punditry on msNBC and on the young turks... and its an instant crush of negativity. I'm not asking for pollyanna coverage but there was not one bone to be thrown here? The coverage felt way more like an attack on a standard level for them, I have to if a completely partisan field of coverage won't finally sour people on these outlets.
Now this is an absolutely imperfect analogy and I know this isn't 9/11, but its a probably the first situation since that time that could really touch every corner of the nation (perhaps the 2008 crash too but thankfully that was reasonably well managed). We all knew Bush was a moron going into 9/11 but I certainly don't recall a climate where he was attacked standing on top of the rubble. If the media, even fellow candidates, come after him too hard if he's taking the good faith steps to deal with an emergency created halfway around the world, that could backfire too.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Then tell the dam people on the news and radio to stop comparing it to the flu. Have heard it numerous times.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
LOL..we have Pence for prostate ads, Biden for memory loss ads, Pelosi for dentures, Bernie for bypass, they all have futures after politics.
James Daulton
Footballguy
Insane how far he’s lowered the bar. As long as he doesn’t say anything racist, call democrats traitorous scum, or try to bully judges it’s considered a good showing.
We live in Idiocracy.
We live in Idiocracy.
jm192
Footballguy
People want Trump to behave presidentially--eagerly watch everything hoping for him to slip up. When he doesn't "It's amazing how not doing these things is considered good."
You're only watching to catch him doing something you can criticize--and when he doesn't he still loses in your eyes.
The General
Footballguy
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
I am not a Trumper but what in your eyes could he have done better tonight in your OP? This is not a political battle in my OP.
squistion
Footballguy
James Daulton
Footballguy
I’m commenting on how Trump supporters are applauding how well he did because he almost sounded coherent. This should be the minimum we expect from the president.
moleculo
Footballguy
I didn't hear the whole thing, but I was mildly pleased he didn't screw it up. I didn't care for the political jabs - completely unnecessary, I wish our president had the maturity to be above that, and I don't really care for Mike Pence being the point man, but overall, not a complete #### show. I have a bit more respect for the man today than I did yesterday.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Dickies
Footballguy
mcintyre1
Footballguy
jm192
Footballguy
It has similar symptoms to the flu.
If we're being technical "a flu" or "the flu" refers to influenza. But people have colloquially referred to "having a flu" for hundreds of years with reference to a particular set of symptoms. The coronovirus has similar symptoms. I don't think it's an absurd comparison in that sense.
We have a vaccine for the flu. While many still get a mild flu, it has reduced the cases of severe influenza. Thus less people die from the flu. This has skew the stats.
jm192
Footballguy
Comparing the stats in general is a terrible comparison.
We have a flu vaccine. And while people still get the flu--it does a good job of reducing many of the most severe cases of the flu. This reduces the mortality.
jm192
Footballguy
There was a time on this board when Trump wasn't capable of the most basic stuff. And now "well of course he could handle this."
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
At an absolute minimum, we won’t have a vaccine for this for a year. Did you watch the press conference?
Go ahead and compare this to the flu, you take your 2.5% shot at death.
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jm192
Footballguy
I mean, I don't know that anything I do on a message board means I'm taking my shot at death.
The General
Footballguy
He read a speech and answered some questions without falling off the stage or freaking out. I think there's still some work left to do.
jm192
Footballguy
Sure. But all of the anti-trumpers were waiting for a screw up and didn't get it, and now you're in here saying "he read a speech, big deal."
The General
Footballguy
That's what happened. It's the job. He doesn't deserve a cookie, this was the easiest part of the whole thing. Now the real work happens.
jm192
Footballguy
We're in a thread about how if he downplays it and handles this poorly, could it be the downfall of the election? And after a solid speech you're all saying "big deal."
I get it. He didn't do anything special. But given the premise of the thread--it's comical how quick the attitudes in here have changed.
The General
Footballguy
I'm not speaking for other people.
He did exactly what I thought he would do. Complete with a few shots. I'm happy he didn't crap the bed as this is a potentially life changing event for everyone and this is one of the most important roles of government, if he flailed today I would be legit scared.
dkp993
Footballguy
Great job, this should become the new tag line/branding for American politics today. We should also just copy and repeat this answer for 95% of the topics around here.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
What attitude has changed? I started the thread and gave a very grounded and realistic response to his speech
The flu comparison is bull#### and my main complaint, this virus is very deadly, you don’t think of death when you think of the flu.
TBH, if he does a good job here and this is contained with relatively small clusters of breakouts, and only minor disruptions to life, he’ll prob earn my vote. Assigning Mike Pence to this doesn’t instill confidence though and the fact that just two days ago he said this would prob be gone by April also has me questioning him.
The results are what matters to me here and it’ll be months for this to play out, unfortunately.
Anyways, this politics forum is the most divisive toxic partisan place I’ve encountered on the innerwebs, I can’t read this #### anymore. Bottom line, I’m hopeful he’ll get this right, but remain skeptical.
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