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[ignatiusjreilly]

Coaches that go for it on 4th down to win the game?

Hell yeah

I did think it was a slightly closer call given that the Lions were up 4. If the lead is 3, it's a no-brainer.

But overall, this is a point I've hit repeatedly in this thread: Don't give the ball back to HOF QBs with a chance for them to win the game! Get one yard and put them away.

the discussion we were having is why not

kick FG they can still tie/win the game

make it & it’s over

didn’t come all this way to play it safe

no hesitation from the sidelines

Especially given the context of the game for Detroit, no reason to not let it all hang out. But I think it would be a smart decision in most scenarios

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Coaches that go for it on 4th down to win the game?

Hell yeah

I did think it was a slightly closer call given that the Lions were up 4. If the lead is 3, it's a no-brainer.

But overall, this is a point I've hit repeatedly in this thread: Don't give the ball back to HOF QBs with a chance for them to win the game! Get one yard and put them away.

the discussion we were having is why not

kick FG they can still tie/win the game

make it & it’s over

didn’t come all this way to play it safe

no hesitation from the sidelines

Plus it’s not an automatic that if they don’t get it they lose.

GB still needs a TD to win it, and a FG can’t tie. And they have no TOS.

So at worst, you make the Packers drive 70+ yards for a touchdown with 0 TO. And to that point they’d been containing the packers pretty well - extremely well the last series.

I loved the decision there.

FWIW, 4th down decision bot said the first 4th down attempt was a toss-up and the second was a strong "Go for it"

 

[Tau837]

So, the chargers. In a meaningless game. Had starters in.

Mike Williams carted off with a back injury & now being reported that Joey Bosa is hurt, too.

That all sounds pretty not smart to me. Maybe rest players if the week 18 game doesn’t count?

Williams' injury has been reported as back spasms. Assuming that is true, he should be fine and will play in the wild card game. Bosa did not suffer a new injury or reaggravate a previous injury. As far as I know, no others were injured.

I think sometimes people overlook the reality of fielding a team for a game. The fewest players the Chargers played on offense this season in any of the first 16 games is 17. The fewest on defense is 16. They have 3 special teams specialists who don't overlap on offense defense (LS, PK, P) and 3+ players who play special teams and do not play on offense or defense, even though they are listed with an offensive/defensive position (they play on coverage and return teams).

That is 39 players at a minimum. The team only has 46-48 players active on gameday, depending on whether they activate 0-2 players from the practice squad. Today, they activated the max number (2) and had 48 active players. The Chargers absolutely should have held out or limited the snaps for any player dealing with a current injury, and they did that -- SCB Callahan was inactive because he is dealing with a current injury. Otherwise, they should have shifted more snaps to the depth players in the various rotations, and they did that in the second half. If there is any valid criticism, it is that they should have done that sooner.

Meanwhile, it was appropriate for the offense to try to build on its good game last week, its first good game in weeks, and build some momentum entering the playoffs. And on defense, both Bosa and James needed game reps with the starting defense to re-integrate and be ready for the playoffs; they got them and exited the game in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, respectively.

Agree to disagree.

Chargers had nothing to play for. Bosa re-injured his groin for nothing. He absolutely could have been rested, as could Mike Williams.

Williams has been notoriously fragile. And FYI, it was reported as more significant than back spasms. They took him for X-rays.

I don’t see why you start an important pass rusher coming off a groin injury and an oft-injured WR in a game that can’t help your team.

If either player misses the playoff game, it will prove to be a horrible decision.

Bosa did not reinjure his groin. That was misreported. It was easy to tell this if one watched the game, simply by observing his demeanor on the sideline, and Staley said in his press conference after the game that he was removed from the game according to the plan for his playing time entering the game. I already told you the reason he was playing. He missed most of the season due to injury and was getting game reps to get back up to full capability for the playoffs.

Williams had tests, which were negative. Again, reported after the game and now this morning as back spasms. The Chargers only had 4 WRs active for the game. The only reasonable way to have precluded Williams' injury was to make him inactive for the game and make Michael Bandy active as the 4th WR. But Williams was healthy entering the game, so there was no particular reason to identify him as a player to hold out.

Just because the media at large wants to jump to conclusions with click bait doesn't mean you have to follow suit.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Just because the media at large wants to jump to conclusions with click bait doesn't mean you have to follow suit.

I’m reacting to what was reported

That doesn’t mean I’m following suit - how am I jumping to conclusions if I am reacting to their reporting?

 

[Tau837]

Just because the media at large wants to jump to conclusions with click bait doesn't mean you have to follow suit.

I’m reacting to what was reported

That doesn’t mean I’m following suit - how am I jumping to conclusions if I am reacting to their reporting?

I gave you the actual facts in my first response.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Just because the media at large wants to jump to conclusions with click bait doesn't mean you have to follow suit.

I’m reacting to what was reported

That doesn’t mean I’m following suit - how am I jumping to conclusions if I am reacting to their reporting?

I gave you the actual facts in my first response.

Yeah, but you aren’t a national publication reporting it.

 

[Tau837]

Just because the media at large wants to jump to conclusions with click bait doesn't mean you have to follow suit.

I’m reacting to what was reported

That doesn’t mean I’m following suit - how am I jumping to conclusions if I am reacting to their reporting?

I gave you the actual facts in my first response.

Yeah, but you aren’t a national publication reporting it.

OK, carry on waiting for the national publications to get around to the actual facts.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Just because the media at large wants to jump to conclusions with click bait doesn't mean you have to follow suit.

I’m reacting to what was reported

That doesn’t mean I’m following suit - how am I jumping to conclusions if I am reacting to their reporting?

I gave you the actual facts in my first response.

Yeah, but you aren’t a national publication reporting it.

OK, carry on waiting for the national publications to get around to the actual facts.

This isn't a big deal, friend.

He was indeed carted off with a back injury, and they did report an aggravation of the groin. Again - just reacting to what was reported. If you want me to take your word over national press, maybe start a blog or something.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

So, the chargers. In a meaningless game. Had starters in.

Mike Williams carted off with a back injury & now being reported that Joey Bosa is hurt, too.

That all sounds pretty not smart to me. Maybe rest players if the week 18 game doesn’t count?

Williams' injury has been reported as back spasms. Assuming that is true, he should be fine and will play in the wild card game. Bosa did not suffer a new injury or reaggravate a previous injury. As far as I know, no others were injured.

I think sometimes people overlook the reality of fielding a team for a game. The fewest players the Chargers played on offense this season in any of the first 16 games is 17. The fewest on defense is 16. They have 3 special teams specialists who don't overlap on offense defense (LS, PK, P) and 3+ players who play special teams and do not play on offense or defense, even though they are listed with an offensive/defensive position (they play on coverage and return teams).

That is 39 players at a minimum. The team only has 46-48 players active on gameday, depending on whether they activate 0-2 players from the practice squad. Today, they activated the max number (2) and had 48 active players. The Chargers absolutely should have held out or limited the snaps for any player dealing with a current injury, and they did that -- SCB Callahan was inactive because he is dealing with a current injury. Otherwise, they should have shifted more snaps to the depth players in the various rotations, and they did that in the second half. If there is any valid criticism, it is that they should have done that sooner.

Meanwhile, it was appropriate for the offense to try to build on its good game last week, its first good game in weeks, and build some momentum entering the playoffs. And on defense, both Bosa and James needed game reps with the starting defense to re-integrate and be ready for the playoffs; they got them and exited the game in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, respectively.

Agree to disagree.

Chargers had nothing to play for. Bosa re-injured his groin for nothing. He absolutely could have been rested, as could Mike Williams.

Williams has been notoriously fragile. And FYI, it was reported as more significant than back spasms. They took him for X-rays.

I don’t see why you start an important pass rusher coming off a groin injury and an oft-injured WR in a game that can’t help your team.

If either player misses the playoff game, it will prove to be a horrible decision.

Bosa did not reinjure his groin. That was misreported. It was easy to tell this if one watched the game, simply by observing his demeanor on the sideline, and Staley said in his press conference after the game that he was removed from the game according to the plan for his playing time entering the game. I already told you the reason he was playing. He missed most of the season due to injury and was getting game reps to get back up to full capability for the playoffs.

Williams had tests, which were negative. Again, reported after the game and now this morning as back spasms. The Chargers only had 4 WRs active for the game. The only reasonable way to have precluded Williams' injury was to make him inactive for the game and make Michael Bandy active as the 4th WR. But Williams was healthy entering the game, so there was no particular reason to identify him as a player to hold out.

Just because the media at large wants to jump to conclusions with click bait doesn't mean you have to follow suit.

What if I jump to the conclusion that wide receivers who have significant injury histories shouldn't play in meaningless games before the playoffs start?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So, the chargers. In a meaningless game. Had starters in.

Mike Williams carted off with a back injury & now being reported that Joey Bosa is hurt, too.

That all sounds pretty not smart to me. Maybe rest players if the week 18 game doesn’t count?

Williams' injury has been reported as back spasms. Assuming that is true, he should be fine and will play in the wild card game. Bosa did not suffer a new injury or reaggravate a previous injury. As far as I know, no others were injured.

I think sometimes people overlook the reality of fielding a team for a game. The fewest players the Chargers played on offense this season in any of the first 16 games is 17. The fewest on defense is 16. They have 3 special teams specialists who don't overlap on offense defense (LS, PK, P) and 3+ players who play special teams and do not play on offense or defense, even though they are listed with an offensive/defensive position (they play on coverage and return teams).

That is 39 players at a minimum. The team only has 46-48 players active on gameday, depending on whether they activate 0-2 players from the practice squad. Today, they activated the max number (2) and had 48 active players. The Chargers absolutely should have held out or limited the snaps for any player dealing with a current injury, and they did that -- SCB Callahan was inactive because he is dealing with a current injury. Otherwise, they should have shifted more snaps to the depth players in the various rotations, and they did that in the second half. If there is any valid criticism, it is that they should have done that sooner.

Meanwhile, it was appropriate for the offense to try to build on its good game last week, its first good game in weeks, and build some momentum entering the playoffs. And on defense, both Bosa and James needed game reps with the starting defense to re-integrate and be ready for the playoffs; they got them and exited the game in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, respectively.

Agree to disagree.

Chargers had nothing to play for. Bosa re-injured his groin for nothing. He absolutely could have been rested, as could Mike Williams.

Williams has been notoriously fragile. And FYI, it was reported as more significant than back spasms. They took him for X-rays.

I don’t see why you start an important pass rusher coming off a groin injury and an oft-injured WR in a game that can’t help your team.

If either player misses the playoff game, it will prove to be a horrible decision.

Bosa did not reinjure his groin. That was misreported. It was easy to tell this if one watched the game, simply by observing his demeanor on the sideline, and Staley said in his press conference after the game that he was removed from the game according to the plan for his playing time entering the game. I already told you the reason he was playing. He missed most of the season due to injury and was getting game reps to get back up to full capability for the playoffs.

Williams had tests, which were negative. Again, reported after the game and now this morning as back spasms. The Chargers only had 4 WRs active for the game. The only reasonable way to have precluded Williams' injury was to make him inactive for the game and make Michael Bandy active as the 4th WR. But Williams was healthy entering the game, so there was no particular reason to identify him as a player to hold out.

Just because the media at large wants to jump to conclusions with click bait doesn't mean you have to follow suit.

What if I jump to the conclusion that wide receivers who have significant injury histories shouldn't play in meaningless games before the playoffs start?

I was at that conclusion before the game even started.

 

[Tau837]

So, the chargers. In a meaningless game. Had starters in.

Mike Williams carted off with a back injury & now being reported that Joey Bosa is hurt, too.

That all sounds pretty not smart to me. Maybe rest players if the week 18 game doesn’t count?

Williams' injury has been reported as back spasms. Assuming that is true, he should be fine and will play in the wild card game. Bosa did not suffer a new injury or reaggravate a previous injury. As far as I know, no others were injured.

I think sometimes people overlook the reality of fielding a team for a game. The fewest players the Chargers played on offense this season in any of the first 16 games is 17. The fewest on defense is 16. They have 3 special teams specialists who don't overlap on offense defense (LS, PK, P) and 3+ players who play special teams and do not play on offense or defense, even though they are listed with an offensive/defensive position (they play on coverage and return teams).

That is 39 players at a minimum. The team only has 46-48 players active on gameday, depending on whether they activate 0-2 players from the practice squad. Today, they activated the max number (2) and had 48 active players. The Chargers absolutely should have held out or limited the snaps for any player dealing with a current injury, and they did that -- SCB Callahan was inactive because he is dealing with a current injury. Otherwise, they should have shifted more snaps to the depth players in the various rotations, and they did that in the second half. If there is any valid criticism, it is that they should have done that sooner.

Meanwhile, it was appropriate for the offense to try to build on its good game last week, its first good game in weeks, and build some momentum entering the playoffs. And on defense, both Bosa and James needed game reps with the starting defense to re-integrate and be ready for the playoffs; they got them and exited the game in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, respectively.

Agree to disagree.

Chargers had nothing to play for. Bosa re-injured his groin for nothing. He absolutely could have been rested, as could Mike Williams.

Williams has been notoriously fragile. And FYI, it was reported as more significant than back spasms. They took him for X-rays.

I don’t see why you start an important pass rusher coming off a groin injury and an oft-injured WR in a game that can’t help your team.

If either player misses the playoff game, it will prove to be a horrible decision.

Bosa did not reinjure his groin. That was misreported. It was easy to tell this if one watched the game, simply by observing his demeanor on the sideline, and Staley said in his press conference after the game that he was removed from the game according to the plan for his playing time entering the game. I already told you the reason he was playing. He missed most of the season due to injury and was getting game reps to get back up to full capability for the playoffs.

Williams had tests, which were negative. Again, reported after the game and now this morning as back spasms. The Chargers only had 4 WRs active for the game. The only reasonable way to have precluded Williams' injury was to make him inactive for the game and make Michael Bandy active as the 4th WR. But Williams was healthy entering the game, so there was no particular reason to identify him as a player to hold out.

Just because the media at large wants to jump to conclusions with click bait doesn't mean you have to follow suit.

What if I jump to the conclusion that wide receivers who have significant injury histories shouldn't play in meaningless games before the playoffs start?

You are free to jump to whatever conclusions you like.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Interviewing for the Denver Broncos

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

At this point, it's almost a cliche to slam coaches for punting on 4th and short near midfield. But that doesn't make the criticism any less valid.

Last night Bowles punted on 4th and 5 from his own 46 in a scoreless game (maybe defensible) and then again on 4th and 3 from his own 47 down two scores (totally indefensible).

It's not even about what the numbers say (for the record: toss-up for the first, medium rec to go for it on the second). You're already underdogs and, by the time of the second opportunity, looked to be in danger of getting run off the field. You simply can't be playing for field position. Besides which, a lot of good that field position did them, since Dallas reeled off 80- and 91-yard scoring drives immediately after both punts

 

[Gally]

End of the first half of the Vikes/Giants. Vikes had 3 time outs (maybe 2) and Giants pinned deep. Why not use those timeouts to try and force a punt and maybe have a chance at a FG or better to close out the half? Made no sense.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Last night Bowles punted on 4th and 5 from his own 46 in a scoreless game (maybe defensible) and then again on 4th and 3 from his own 47 down two scores (totally indefensible).

Good call - I was baffled by that one.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

So about that Vikings trick play ...

 

[BobbyLayne]

So about that Vikings trick play ...

from the replies:

It probably looked great in practice against the Vikings defense

 

[Gally]

So about that Vikings trick play ...

from the replies:

It probably looked great in practice against the Vikings defense

I read somewhere that it was supposed to be used vs a man defense where all the WR's were flowing across the field leaving the back side open. Unfortunately the Giants weren't in a man defense and the stay at home corner just waited for Cousins to get the ball. Seems like they should have had some pre-snap clue this wasn't going to work and the audibled out of it.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I’ve never bought into the Tomlin hate, but man does that dude have a blind spot when it comes to assistant coaches. He’s been in the job for 15 years and, despite being one of the best coaches in the league across that span, he has basically no coaching tree other than Arians, who he fired in 2011.

And now his response to an offense that has underperformed across multiple years/QBs, and that is widely recognized as one of the least innovative in the NFL, is to retain Matt Canada

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

At this point, it's almost a cliche to slam coaches for punting on 4th and short near midfield. But that doesn't make the criticism any less valid.

Last night Bowles punted on 4th and 5 from his own 46 in a scoreless game (maybe defensible) and then again on 4th and 3 from his own 47 down two scores (totally indefensible).

It's not even about what the numbers say (for the record: toss-up for the first, medium rec to go for it on the second). You're already underdogs and, by the time of the second opportunity, looked to be in danger of getting run off the field. You simply can't be playing for field position. Besides which, a lot of good that field position did them, since Dallas reeled off 80- and 91-yard scoring drives immediately after both punts

What about punting from the 38? Sure 4th and 10. Sure early 3rd quarter and up 20. Sure, coaching a team that never seems to have a capable kicker. But in 2023 punting from the 38? Worked out well.

 

[BobbyLayne]

So about that Vikings trick play ...

from the replies:

It probably looked great in practice against the Vikings defense

I read somewhere that it was supposed to be used vs a man defense where all the WR's were flowing across the field leaving the back side open. Unfortunately the Giants weren't in a man defense and the stay at home corner just waited for Cousins to get the ball. Seems like they should have had some pre-snap clue this wasn't going to work and the audibled out of it.

Sending a guy in motion immediately tells you if it’s man or zone. Unfortunately they ran the arcing jet sweep motion which told them nothing (I bet right when it was snapped Kirk knew “oh **** that DB didn’t follow we’re screwed” lol.)

 

[IHEARTFF]

So about that Vikings trick play ...

from the replies:

It probably looked great in practice against the Vikings defense

I read somewhere that it was supposed to be used vs a man defense where all the WR's were flowing across the field leaving the back side open. Unfortunately the Giants weren't in a man defense and the stay at home corner just waited for Cousins to get the ball. Seems like they should have had some pre-snap clue this wasn't going to work and the audibled out of it.

Sending a guy in motion immediately tells you if it’s man or zone. Unfortunately they ran the arcing jet sweep motion which told them nothing (I bet right when it was snapped Kirk knew “oh **** that DB didn’t follow we’re screwed” lol.)

Have defenses not figured out how to counter the motion thing? Like you move across like you’re in man but you adjust someone else and still hold a zone after the snap.

 

[BobbyLayne]

So about that Vikings trick play ...

from the replies:

It probably looked great in practice against the Vikings defense

I read somewhere that it was supposed to be used vs a man defense where all the WR's were flowing across the field leaving the back side open. Unfortunately the Giants weren't in a man defense and the stay at home corner just waited for Cousins to get the ball. Seems like they should have had some pre-snap clue this wasn't going to work and the audibled out of it.

Sending a guy in motion immediately tells you if it’s man or zone. Unfortunately they ran the arcing jet sweep motion which told them nothing (I bet right when it was snapped Kirk knew “oh **** that DB didn’t follow we’re screwed” lol.)

Have defenses not figured out how to counter the motion thing? Like you move across like you’re in man but you adjust someone else and still hold a zone after the snap.

I heard today that New England uses the sane terminology & hand signals they used in 2002. #truestory

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

https://twitter.com/josh_adhd/status/1617353373153624065?s=46&t=zIoDfAIsxRHtVMYUHVBDsQ

 

[Godsbrother]

Bills down 17 with 7:32 left., 4th down and 6 at the Bengals 16. Gotta kick the field goal and going for it was dumb. The one thing you have to do in that situation is come away with points to make it a 2-score game.

They almost certainly lose anyway but the moment they didn't convert that fourth down the game was over.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Bills down 17 with 7:32 left., 4th down and 6 at the Bengals 16. Gotta kick the field goal and going for it was dumb. The one thing you have to do in that situation is come away with points to make it a 2-score game.

They almost certainly lose anyway but the moment they didn't convert that fourth down the game was over.

We debated this in the game thread. You're going to need to score TDs to win, and that was a good opportunity to score one. "Keeping yourself in the game" is an irrelevant factor. What does it matter if the game was over with 7 minutes left or with 3 minutes left? Also, Buffalo didn't need 17 points. They needed more than that to win. Scoring a TD keeps alive the possibility that they could score two more TDs and win in regulation.

It's similar to the situation where you're down 15 and score a TD. Should you kick the XP because if you go for two and fail, the game is over? The game is going to be over if you fail to get a 2PC regardless, whether that happens with five minutes left or on the final play.

 

[nysfl2]

Bills down 17 with 7:32 left., 4th down and 6 at the Bengals 16. Gotta kick the field goal and going for it was dumb. The one thing you have to do in that situation is come away with points to make it a 2-score game.

They almost certainly lose anyway but the moment they didn't convert that fourth down the game was over.

We debated this in the game thread. You're going to need to score TDs to win, and that was a good opportunity to score one. "Keeping yourself in the game" is an irrelevant factor. What does it matter if the game was over with 7 minutes left or with 3 minutes left? Also, Buffalo didn't need 17 points. They needed more than that to win. Scoring a TD keeps alive the possibility that they could score two more TDs and win in regulation.

It's similar to the situation where you're down 15 and score a TD. Should you kick the XP because if you go for two and fail, the game is over? The game is going to be over if you fail to get a 2PC regardless, whether that happens with five minutes left or on the final play.

With 7 minutes left, you pretty much have to assume that your defense is going to stop the other team from scoring again. If the other team puts together enough first downs to even get a field goal on another possession, you're never going to have enough time to score two more times.

 

[Godsbrother]

If it was 4th and short or 4th and 6 inside the 5 then I could see going for it. They were at the 16 and it was a three score game. I think you need to close it to 2 scores and then put the game in the hands of your defense to get the ball back which you would have to do even if you score the TD.

Like I said, they were likely going to lose anyway but failing to convert the 4th ended it right there.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Bills down 17 with 7:32 left., 4th down and 6 at the Bengals 16. Gotta kick the field goal and going for it was dumb. The one thing you have to do in that situation is come away with points to make it a 2-score game.

They almost certainly lose anyway but the moment they didn't convert that fourth down the game was over.

I would have picked the decision to punt on fourth-and-short from their own 20 a few minutes earlier. That was the point where the game ended IMO.

 

[menobrown]

I would have picked the decision to punt on fourth-and-short from their own 20 a few minutes earlier. That was the point where the game ended IMO.

I agree and combined with choosing to go for it on 4th and 6 on the next drive only made that decision look worse. But 4th and 2, you got to let Josh Allen try and make a play.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I would have picked the decision to punt on fourth-and-short from their own 20 a few minutes earlier. That was the point where the game ended IMO.

I agree and combined with choosing to go for it on 4th and 6 on the next drive only made that decision look worse. But 4th and 2, you got to let Josh Allen try and make a play.

I generally try to avoid criticizing play call strategy because there's always so much going on that we don't know about. But watching that game, I was mystified that Buffalo didn't have more designed runs for Allen. Especially when nothing else seemed to be working.

Then again, Cinci seems to have gotten really good at scheming away teams' strengths, so maybe that was more a good job by them than a bad one by Buffalo

 

[Bankerguy]

I would like to do the opposite. I’d like to praise a coach.

Mike McCarthy.

Just a heartfelt thank you for your ingenious and creative play design on the last play of your season again.

I mean, the brilliance of finally getting some value out of one of the highest paid RB’s and using him as Center. Great value add.

Then to baffle the defense and throw it 7 yards to your 6th WR is legendary stuff bud. I just can’t believe it didn’t work, this is like 4D chess level thinking on display here.

Our franchise is a ****ing joke.
Get stuffed Jerry, Mike and Kellen. The Mount Rushmore of assclowns

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

If it was 4th and short or 4th and 6 inside the 5 then I could see going for it. They were at the 16 and it was a three score game. I think you need to close it to 2 scores and then put the game in the hands of your defense to get the ball back which you would have to do even if you score the TD.

Like I said, they were likely going to lose anyway but failing to convert the 4th ended it right there.

4th and 6 from inside the 5 would be quite the accomplishment

I do agree that 4th and 6 isn't as obvious a call as 4th and 1, because it lowers the EPA in going for it. Once that number drops below ~2.7 (assuming a 90% chance of making the FG) then it doesn't make sense to go for it. But it has nothing to do with the game being over if you fail. That's a fallacy that gives people psychological comfort but no actual benefit in terms of winning.

 

[eighsse2]

Bengals fan here, at the end of the first half, I thought a 63-yard field goal attempt would have been better than a 46-yard hail mary. Yeah 63 is not great odds ... but Mac can do it with an ounce or two of luck.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Bengals fan here, at the end of the first half, I thought a 63-yard field goal attempt would have been better than a 46-yard hail mary. Yeah 63 is not great odds ... but Mac can do it with an ounce or two of luck.

The driving snow probably effected that decision a bit.

 

[eighsse2]

Bengals fan here, at the end of the first half, I thought a 63-yard field goal attempt would have been better than a 46-yard hail mary. Yeah 63 is not great odds ... but Mac can do it with an ounce or two of luck.

The driving snow probably effected that decision a bit.

I suppose that makes sense. Does snow have a significant effect on the ball in the air? Wind obviously, but it didn't appear to be particularly windy. I don't know how much affect the actual snowfall has?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Bengals fan here, at the end of the first half, I thought a 63-yard field goal attempt would have been better than a 46-yard hail mary. Yeah 63 is not great odds ... but Mac can do it with an ounce or two of luck.

The driving snow probably effected that decision a bit.

I suppose that makes sense. Does snow have a significant effect on the ball in the air? Wind obviously, but it didn't appear to be particularly windy. I don't know how much affect the actual snowfall has?

I’m no meteorologist, but I’ve long understood rain & snow to be two negative factors with Long distance FGs.

 

[eighsse2]

Bengals fan here, at the end of the first half, I thought a 63-yard field goal attempt would have been better than a 46-yard hail mary. Yeah 63 is not great odds ... but Mac can do it with an ounce or two of luck.

The driving snow probably effected that decision a bit.

I suppose that makes sense. Does snow have a significant effect on the ball in the air? Wind obviously, but it didn't appear to be particularly windy. I don't know how much affect the actual snowfall has?

I’m no meteorologist, but I’ve long understood rain & snow to be two negative factors with Long distance FGs.

That makes sense.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

How about McCarthy wasting a bunch of time at the end of the Niners/Cowboys game instead of using a time-out?

Just seemed like they let SF run 30 seconds before the FG, and that those 30 seconds would have been very helpful to have.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Bengals fan here, at the end of the first half, I thought a 63-yard field goal attempt would have been better than a 46-yard hail mary. Yeah 63 is not great odds ... but Mac can do it with an ounce or two of luck.

The driving snow probably effected that decision a bit.

I suppose that makes sense. Does snow have a significant effect on the ball in the air? Wind obviously, but it didn't appear to be particularly windy. I don't know how much affect the actual snowfall has?

I’m no meteorologist, but I’ve long understood rain & snow to be two negative factors with Long distance FGs.

Temperature, too. It doesn't travel as far in cold air.

Incidentally, that's why Vinatieri's game-tying 45-yarder in the Tuck Rule Game was among the most impressive kicks in NFL history

 

[efactor]

I would like to do the opposite. I’d like to praise a coach.

Mike McCarthy.

Just a heartfelt thank you for your ingenious and creative play design on the last play of your season again.

I mean, the brilliance of finally getting some value out of one of the highest paid RB’s and using him as Center. Great value add.

Then to baffle the defense and throw it 7 yards to your 6th WR is legendary stuff bud. I just can’t believe it didn’t work, this like 4D chess level think on display here.

Our franchise is a ****ing joke.
Get stuffed Jerry, Mike and Kellen. The Mount Rushmore of assclowns

Would be interesting to know what the actual design on the last play was. Elliott obviously had a role somewhere in the play and SF seemed to know that because Al-Shaair lined up right on Zeke and bowled him over instead of just taking a straight line to Dak. But yeah, really stupid play

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I would like to do the opposite. I’d like to praise a coach.

Mike McCarthy.

Just a heartfelt thank you for your ingenious and creative play design on the last play of your season again.

I mean, the brilliance of finally getting some value out of one of the highest paid RB’s and using him as Center. Great value add.

Then to baffle the defense and throw it 7 yards to your 6th WR is legendary stuff bud. I just can’t believe it didn’t work, this like 4D chess level think on display here.

Our franchise is a ****ing joke.
Get stuffed Jerry, Mike and Kellen. The Mount Rushmore of assclowns

Would be interesting to know what the actual design on the last play was. Elliott obviously had a role somewhere in the play and SF seemed to know that because Al-Shaair lined up right on Zeke and bowled him over instead of just taking a straight line to Dak. But yeah, really stupid play

I think it’s a quick read to EE, who wasn’t supposed to actually block anyone.

Still wouldn’t have worked, but I’m reasonably certain the plan wasn’t to convert EE to a center & get him destroyed.

Hilarious, but yeah - not the design.

 

[Gally]

It would have been more interesting to run a play like KC ran for HIll against the Cowboys (I think) a couple years ago on a a last second play to close out a half. I don't mind getting it to Turpin (maybe their best open field runner?) but there was no blocking in front. Just seemed like someone missed something

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I would like to do the opposite. I’d like to praise a coach.

Mike McCarthy.

Just a heartfelt thank you for your ingenious and creative play design on the last play of your season again.

I mean, the brilliance of finally getting some value out of one of the highest paid RB’s and using him as Center. Great value add.

Then to baffle the defense and throw it 7 yards to your 6th WR is legendary stuff bud. I just can’t believe it didn’t work, this like 4D chess level think on display here.

Our franchise is a ****ing joke.
Get stuffed Jerry, Mike and Kellen. The Mount Rushmore of assclowns

Would be interesting to know what the actual design on the last play was. Elliott obviously had a role somewhere in the play and SF seemed to know that because Al-Shaair lined up right on Zeke and bowled him over instead of just taking a straight line to Dak. But yeah, really stupid play

I think it’s a quick read to EE, who wasn’t supposed to actually block anyone.

Still wouldn’t have worked, but I’m reasonably certain the plan wasn’t to convert EE to a center & get him destroyed.

Hilarious, but yeah - not the design.

Barnwell's best guess

If the intention was to throw it to Zeke and not have him block anyone, then having him line up at center was a pretty bad idea, considering a) he would be the only thing standing between a DL and the QB, and b) he would be ineligible for the initial throw

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I would like to do the opposite. I’d like to praise a coach.

Mike McCarthy.

Just a heartfelt thank you for your ingenious and creative play design on the last play of your season again.

I mean, the brilliance of finally getting some value out of one of the highest paid RB’s and using him as Center. Great value add.

Then to baffle the defense and throw it 7 yards to your 6th WR is legendary stuff bud. I just can’t believe it didn’t work, this like 4D chess level think on display here.

Our franchise is a ****ing joke.
Get stuffed Jerry, Mike and Kellen. The Mount Rushmore of assclowns

Would be interesting to know what the actual design on the last play was. Elliott obviously had a role somewhere in the play and SF seemed to know that because Al-Shaair lined up right on Zeke and bowled him over instead of just taking a straight line to Dak. But yeah, really stupid play

I think it’s a quick read to EE, who wasn’t supposed to actually block anyone.

Still wouldn’t have worked, but I’m reasonably certain the plan wasn’t to convert EE to a center & get him destroyed.

Hilarious, but yeah - not the design.

Barnwell's best guess

If the intention was to throw it to Zeke and not have him block anyone, then having him line up at center was a pretty bad idea, considering a) he would be the only thing standing between a DL and the QB, and b) he would be ineligible for the initial throw

i believe it was a LB (Aziz) but yeah - good point.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I would like to do the opposite. I’d like to praise a coach.

Mike McCarthy.

Just a heartfelt thank you for your ingenious and creative play design on the last play of your season again.

I mean, the brilliance of finally getting some value out of one of the highest paid RB’s and using him as Center. Great value add.

Then to baffle the defense and throw it 7 yards to your 6th WR is legendary stuff bud. I just can’t believe it didn’t work, this like 4D chess level think on display here.

Our franchise is a ****ing joke.
Get stuffed Jerry, Mike and Kellen. The Mount Rushmore of assclowns

Would be interesting to know what the actual design on the last play was. Elliott obviously had a role somewhere in the play and SF seemed to know that because Al-Shaair lined up right on Zeke and bowled him over instead of just taking a straight line to Dak. But yeah, really stupid play

He might not have known the exact play, but saw an opportunity to remove one of Dallas' skill position players from the equation.

Also, LBs just like to hit people. That's what makes them LBs

 

[efactor]

I would like to do the opposite. I’d like to praise a coach.

Mike McCarthy.

Just a heartfelt thank you for your ingenious and creative play design on the last play of your season again.

I mean, the brilliance of finally getting some value out of one of the highest paid RB’s and using him as Center. Great value add.

Then to baffle the defense and throw it 7 yards to your 6th WR is legendary stuff bud. I just can’t believe it didn’t work, this like 4D chess level think on display here.

Our franchise is a ****ing joke.
Get stuffed Jerry, Mike and Kellen. The Mount Rushmore of assclowns

Would be interesting to know what the actual design on the last play was. Elliott obviously had a role somewhere in the play and SF seemed to know that because Al-Shaair lined up right on Zeke and bowled him over instead of just taking a straight line to Dak. But yeah, really stupid play

I think it’s a quick read to EE, who wasn’t supposed to actually block anyone.

Still wouldn’t have worked, but I’m reasonably certain the plan wasn’t to convert EE to a center & get him destroyed.

Hilarious, but yeah - not the design.

But Olsen pointed out that Elliott wasn't an eligible receiver, so while he could take a lateral during the play, he couldn't be the receiver.

 

[nysfl2]

I would like to do the opposite. I’d like to praise a coach.

Mike McCarthy.

Just a heartfelt thank you for your ingenious and creative play design on the last play of your season again.

I mean, the brilliance of finally getting some value out of one of the highest paid RB’s and using him as Center. Great value add.

Then to baffle the defense and throw it 7 yards to your 6th WR is legendary stuff bud. I just can’t believe it didn’t work, this like 4D chess level think on display here.

Our franchise is a ****ing joke.
Get stuffed Jerry, Mike and Kellen. The Mount Rushmore of assclowns

Would be interesting to know what the actual design on the last play was. Elliott obviously had a role somewhere in the play and SF seemed to know that because Al-Shaair lined up right on Zeke and bowled him over instead of just taking a straight line to Dak. But yeah, really stupid play

I think it’s a quick read to EE, who wasn’t supposed to actually block anyone.

Still wouldn’t have worked, but I’m reasonably certain the plan wasn’t to convert EE to a center & get him destroyed.

Hilarious, but yeah - not the design.

But Olsen pointed out that Elliott wasn't an eligible receiver, so while he could take a lateral during the play, he couldn't be the receiver.

It looks like Dak was running around to get a pitch from the receiver. Maybe follow the blockers on the left side as far as he can go, and then throw it cross-field to CeeDee, who also had some blockers in front of him?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I would like to do the opposite. I’d like to praise a coach.

Mike McCarthy.

Just a heartfelt thank you for your ingenious and creative play design on the last play of your season again.

I mean, the brilliance of finally getting some value out of one of the highest paid RB’s and using him as Center. Great value add.

Then to baffle the defense and throw it 7 yards to your 6th WR is legendary stuff bud. I just can’t believe it didn’t work, this like 4D chess level think on display here.

Our franchise is a ****ing joke.
Get stuffed Jerry, Mike and Kellen. The Mount Rushmore of assclowns

Would be interesting to know what the actual design on the last play was. Elliott obviously had a role somewhere in the play and SF seemed to know that because Al-Shaair lined up right on Zeke and bowled him over instead of just taking a straight line to Dak. But yeah, really stupid play

I think it’s a quick read to EE, who wasn’t supposed to actually block anyone.

Still wouldn’t have worked, but I’m reasonably certain the plan wasn’t to convert EE to a center & get him destroyed.

Hilarious, but yeah - not the design.

But Olsen pointed out that Elliott wasn't an eligible receiver, so while he could take a lateral during the play, he couldn't be the receiver.

It looks like Dak was running around to get a pitch from the receiver. Maybe follow the blockers on the left side as far as he can go, and then throw it cross-field to CeeDee, who also had some blockers in front of him?

None of it made sense.

But while EE wasn’t an eligible receiver, he could still get the ball on a lateral.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I would like to do the opposite. I’d like to praise a coach.

Mike McCarthy.

Just a heartfelt thank you for your ingenious and creative play design on the last play of your season again.

I mean, the brilliance of finally getting some value out of one of the highest paid RB’s and using him as Center. Great value add.

Then to baffle the defense and throw it 7 yards to your 6th WR is legendary stuff bud. I just can’t believe it didn’t work, this like 4D chess level think on display here.

Our franchise is a ****ing joke.
Get stuffed Jerry, Mike and Kellen. The Mount Rushmore of assclowns

Would be interesting to know what the actual design on the last play was. Elliott obviously had a role somewhere in the play and SF seemed to know that because Al-Shaair lined up right on Zeke and bowled him over instead of just taking a straight line to Dak. But yeah, really stupid play

I think it’s a quick read to EE, who wasn’t supposed to actually block anyone.

Still wouldn’t have worked, but I’m reasonably certain the plan wasn’t to convert EE to a center & get him destroyed.

Hilarious, but yeah - not the design.

But Olsen pointed out that Elliott wasn't an eligible receiver, so while he could take a lateral during the play, he couldn't be the receiver.

It looks like Dak was running around to get a pitch from the receiver. Maybe follow the blockers on the left side as far as he can go, and then throw it cross-field to CeeDee, who also had some blockers in front of him?

None of it made sense.

But while EE wasn’t an eligible receiver, he could still get the ball on a lateral.

Not after he was driven three feet under the turf he couldn’t