CalBear
Footballguy
He may not have been at much risk but why have him in the game at all if he can't throw? At least snap it to someone who can run.
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The Cowboys released six coaches and then made a statement that they haven't decided upon the DC and OC and would meet with them.
Whatever happened in the meeting went well.
McCarthy couldn't meet with Moore because he was interviewing so he texted him(quote "not a call, sent word" I assume text) that he'd be taking over play calling duties. At the meeting Moore did not feel he needed to be replaced and thought his work spoke for itself. McCarthy disagreed and was taking over play all duties.
Moore felt like he was already fired getting his role replaced and they issued a statement they agreed to part ways.
On the radio they likened it to watching what happens on TV when they tell a fireman he can't put out fires anymore or a cop he is on desk duty.
I tend to lean towards Moore. If you want to call it agreeable that's fine. To each their own.
There isn't a Cowboys fan that doesn't realize how good Moore has done or how the WRs not named CeeDee played poorly this year despite targets/opportunity.
I believe in NFL when coaches take over calling plays or sets it is usually the beginning of the end for them. There's a myriad of reasons from lack of control of their ego to being downright tired working too much and making bad decisions to all sorts of things. I give McCarthy a year or two.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Ah, my mistake, I thought he was let go.
I don't believe there isn't a guy that can make some throws on the roster. If we're going to be too nitpicky and speak of NFL proper technique then fine but if we're saying chuck the rock, that's different.
Many NFL players played QB til at least eighth grade as they were their local team's best player. Maybe they played QB some in high school. Human nature, they surely throw the ball around some messing around. This concept that only three or four guys ever throw the ball can't be true.
Ramble.....
I'd have thrown some jump balls (with whomever at QB) to their targets that all seem tough to beat on jump balls.
I'd have called some college option plays.
I'd have drawn up some plays like the 1960s and had four guys in the backfield.
I'd have "died trying" because the other 52 gave me all they had all year and are owed that
Oh, I completely agree with this. I thought it was dumb to have Purdy in because it was obvious he couldn't throw and there was no deception or anything else. It was a complete give up move by SF. If they did some sorty of street ball with the athletes they had they may have at least moved the ball a little. This was time to pull the oop de oop from Varsity Blues or any of the other movie miracle plays to see what happens. It was really a missed opportunity.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
Yeah he immediately popped into my head when reading the initial post you responded to. In short, completing a pass in the NFL is really, really hard. I tend to agree with those saying bring in mccaffrey and an extra blocker and do the wildcat, but honestly I don’t fault shanahan a ton here as he has to choose from all bad options.
I do continue to fault shanahan for the Devonta Smith “catch.”
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Jerry Jones and Kellen Moore on the radio.
Most Cowboys reporters tweeted snips of it. See Todd Archer
dschuler
Footballguy
You don’t think another half of one on one man coverage against Tyreek Hill in the second half is a good idea after he barely managed 100 receiving yards at half time?
bryhamm
Footballguy
Yeah, that was a head scratcher. It was north of 2:00 and they had 2 TOs left. Punt it and try to hold em.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Probably not the call I would have made, especially with how badly their WRs were playing, but they were screwed no matter what
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
You might think a fake punt from your own 17 on 4th and 2 is always the wrong call. After going 3 n out their first possession, Detroit’s ST coordinator (Dave Fipp) picked up on the personnel in Chiefs punt return were DBs and offensive skill players. Lined up across them in the middle of the OL were the FB & big linebackers. The only good sized KCC was Gay (#50) on the edge. McKinnon (#1) was the backer. FB Jason Cabinda, WLB Malcolm Rodriguez and especially MLB Jack Campbell combined for a good push, and ST Captain Jalen Reeves-Maybin (LB) easily picked up the first down.
Dan Campbell has called 8 fake punts through his first 35 games. They have succeeded 7 times. 4 runs for 86 yards, 3/4 passes from P Jack Fox for 44 yards. On the only failed attempt, Fox delivered a strike but the 4th string RB dropped it.
Dan Campbell has called 8 fake punts through his first 35 games. They have succeeded 7 times. 4 runs for 86 yards, 3/4 passes from P Jack Fox for 44 yards. On the only failed attempt, Fox delivered a strike but the 4th string RB dropped it.
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Yes, didn't see the game, but I heard that scenario and definitely thought it belonged in this thread. Not as bad as the time Dan Quinn kicked a FG in a similar situation on 4th and goal from the 1, but pretty close. Apparently it cost them like 10% of WP
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Buffalo’s decision to not go for it on 4th & 2 was wild.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
And DC was a Head Coach for Miami, decent amount of games and that was after working his way up as an Asst, not sure he was ever Special Teams but then he leaves Miami for New Orleans and is the Asst Head Coach or had a title that eluded to that, he had season after season there looking over Sean Payton's shoulder and he learned a lot about what it takes to succeed in the NFL.. His ability to see what the opposing team is doing and make on the spot chess moves to exploit them, it's starting to become a calling card with DC, especially these fake punts. .
I don't want to jinx y'all, long season and one day things look rosy, the next day a catastrophe happens and your season changes arcs. I hope DC is there to see it thru is what I'm getting at because I think even if he isn't the future head coach of Detroit at some point, I think he is carving out his skills as a Head Coach in this league. He'll get more time in Detroit than he will other places but he also needs to push them into the Playoffs this year. So far things are looking up.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Couldn't decide whether to give this a Like to indicate agreement or the little crying emoji to indicate my feelings about that call at the time. Went with the Like since I could always just clarify.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I was truly shocked by that one.
Any good poker player will tell you the best time to go all-in with a weak hand is when the other players least expect that you'd go all-in with a weak hand. Of course, in the moment you have to have the brass to actually do it.
Literally no one is expecting a fake punt from the 17 on your 2nd series of a nationally-televised season opener. If you've got the stones to try it, it's a brilliant move.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Obviously they didn’t have much of a chance regardless, but Vikings have the ball at their own 17 with 7 seconds left and they try a Hail Mary instead of a lateral play? Cousins’ throw made it to around the Philly 30; even if it had been caught there was no chance of advancing it any further.
I would really love to know the thought process when that play got called in
I would really love to know the thought process when that play got called in
Tau837
Footballguy
They had time for 2 plays. One out of pounds pass to get close to their own 40. Then a Hail Mary or a lateral ala the Miami Miracle. Hoping for a dpi and then a Hail Mary, I disagree with the strategy.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
By running a play where DPIs never get called (see Tate, Golden)?
4:13 left in the game. And a porous pass defense against a potent passing offense. High school coaches know better.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
This is the right answer. Probably very difficult to get a 20-yard completion off in 7 seconds, but that was likely their best bet.
Worst play call I ever saw in this situation: 2012 NFC Championship Game. Falcons losing 28-24, ball on their own 41 with six seconds left. You'd think that's close enough for a Hail Mary, but apparently Ryan was having some shoulder issues. So instead they complete a 24-yard pass down the middle to Julio. No lateral, and he gets tackled to end the game (and their season). I remember watching it and being dumbfounded that they gave up like that.
In the MIA-LAC game, we had the ball on our own 25 with 9 seconds left. I thought McDaniel was too aggressive when Tua completed a 22-yard pass to Waddle who got out of bounds at the 47 with 2 seconds left. Then Tua threw it to Ezukanma at the 23 who got a DPI, followed by an untimed FG.
With some urgency, in yesterday's game, Cousins had a chance to get the ball close to the 40.
With some urgency, in yesterday's game, Cousins had a chance to get the ball close to the 40.
JAA
Footballguy
This deserves its own thread. It doesnt make any sense to me
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
College edition: Ohio State is at the Notre Dame 1 with time for two plays. ND only puts 10 men on the field and somehow stops then the first time, Irish call a timeout and then send 10 men on the field again. OSU runs right at where the missing DE should be and scores the game winner
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
49ers game, 4 mins & change left, Niners at the 42 up 30-12.
Coulda sent out Moody for the 59 yard FGA but like the gutless punks they are, they punted.
3 & out, Niners get the ball back, take a knee, game over.
They still win 30-12.
Terrible terrible decision that I completely disagreed with.
Signed,
-Moody shareholders
Coulda sent out Moody for the 59 yard FGA but like the gutless punks they are, they punted.
3 & out, Niners get the ball back, take a knee, game over.
They still win 30-12.
Terrible terrible decision that I completely disagreed with.
Signed,
-Moody shareholders
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Are there any college , hs, or youth coaches in here?
my son is 11 plays in 12-13 yr old league ( had to move up in division because of his size 155lb , weight limit on division below is 135lbs). he's a brute force of a RG.
last week:
we're up by 6pts with 1.41 left in the game.
4th and 18 from our OWN 34 yard line. instead of punting to play field position, the brainey coach goes for it, turnover on downs.
the opposing team moves the ball to about the 20 yard line. now the clock is at 23 seconds, they have no timeouts left. instead of playing the pass with many defenders in the endzone or near it at least, they're playing the run. the QB takes the handoff and flips it to a RB who then throws it to the endzone for the TD. tall kid against one of our smallest DBs. like megatron against danny devito.
no the game it tied, and they get the 2-pt play to win by 1.
yesterday, our fearless leader head coach screws up again.
game tied 7-7 our def just stopped the opposing team on our own 30 yard line. 1.21 left, .. we use 3 straight run plays, handoff given to the HC's son all 3 times, for no gain. during this time the opposing team has burned their timeouts, and has NO TIMEOUTS left. once again our fearless leader goes for it on 4th down.piece of cake right ?? basically take a knee and we go to OT.
nope no way. The coaches son takes the handoff runs right, all the way to run out of bounds and STOP the CLOCK! turnover on downs.
there's about 11 secs on the clock. opposing team runs a hard count, we jump offsides. 5 yard penalty, next play the QB throws a deep pass to the endzone for the TD and the win!
I mean, I'm not a coach, not a volunteer ( I do volunteer at the local BMX track) , but the textbook that they give coaches on page 1 is 'play field position with a late lead, dont run out of bounds'
and the coaching staff has the audacity to gather players after the game, and admonish parents for getting on the coaches after last week's debacle, and then they go out and do it again yesterday but dont want to hear it.
'if you think you can do it better get your own damn team' the one coach said to parents. every parent was like 'good coaching wtf was that?' muttering amongst themselves away from the coaches ears. for $300/season league fee we have a right to be upset these were just brainless plays. this is football 101 how did he not realize that two weeks in a row?
my son is 11 plays in 12-13 yr old league ( had to move up in division because of his size 155lb , weight limit on division below is 135lbs). he's a brute force of a RG.
last week:
we're up by 6pts with 1.41 left in the game.
4th and 18 from our OWN 34 yard line. instead of punting to play field position, the brainey coach goes for it, turnover on downs.
the opposing team moves the ball to about the 20 yard line. now the clock is at 23 seconds, they have no timeouts left. instead of playing the pass with many defenders in the endzone or near it at least, they're playing the run. the QB takes the handoff and flips it to a RB who then throws it to the endzone for the TD. tall kid against one of our smallest DBs. like megatron against danny devito.
no the game it tied, and they get the 2-pt play to win by 1.
yesterday, our fearless leader head coach screws up again.
game tied 7-7 our def just stopped the opposing team on our own 30 yard line. 1.21 left, .. we use 3 straight run plays, handoff given to the HC's son all 3 times, for no gain. during this time the opposing team has burned their timeouts, and has NO TIMEOUTS left. once again our fearless leader goes for it on 4th down.piece of cake right ?? basically take a knee and we go to OT.
nope no way. The coaches son takes the handoff runs right, all the way to run out of bounds and STOP the CLOCK! turnover on downs.
there's about 11 secs on the clock. opposing team runs a hard count, we jump offsides. 5 yard penalty, next play the QB throws a deep pass to the endzone for the TD and the win!
I mean, I'm not a coach, not a volunteer ( I do volunteer at the local BMX track) , but the textbook that they give coaches on page 1 is 'play field position with a late lead, dont run out of bounds'
and the coaching staff has the audacity to gather players after the game, and admonish parents for getting on the coaches after last week's debacle, and then they go out and do it again yesterday but dont want to hear it.
'if you think you can do it better get your own damn team' the one coach said to parents. every parent was like 'good coaching wtf was that?' muttering amongst themselves away from the coaches ears. for $300/season league fee we have a right to be upset these were just brainless plays. this is football 101 how did he not realize that two weeks in a row?
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Controversial opinion, but I think opposing defenses should try to cover Tyreek Hill instead of letting him run free in the secondary
Tau837
Footballguy
Chargers up 28-24, 4th and 1, own 24 yard line, 1:51 remaining, Vikings have no timeouts.
Chargers primary RB Kelley had 10 carries for 12 yards in the game up to that point, with 4 of those 10 carries going for no gain or negative yards.
Chargers have a good punter and good punt coverage team.
Chargers went for it, and Kelley was stopped for no gain.
I thought this was a terrible decision and was shocked before the play that Staley made that decision. Two aspects: (1) deciding to go for it, and (2) deciding to hand off rather than sneak or otherwise put the play in Herbert's hands.
Fortunately, the Vikings let the Chargers off the hook by choking themselves in the end, rushing their final play interception instead of calmly spiking the ball (on first down) to take their time.
Chargers primary RB Kelley had 10 carries for 12 yards in the game up to that point, with 4 of those 10 carries going for no gain or negative yards.
Chargers have a good punter and good punt coverage team.
Chargers went for it, and Kelley was stopped for no gain.
I thought this was a terrible decision and was shocked before the play that Staley made that decision. Two aspects: (1) deciding to go for it, and (2) deciding to hand off rather than sneak or otherwise put the play in Herbert's hands.
Fortunately, the Vikings let the Chargers off the hook by choking themselves in the end, rushing their final play interception instead of calmly spiking the ball (on first down) to take their time.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Re: aspect (2): In his 2 starts, Joshua Kelley is averaging 1.7 yards per carry...what gave Staley the idea that he could convert?
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Falcons trailing 20-3 with 4 minutes left in the game, 4th and goal at the Detroit 6. Smith kicks the FG. I know the logic is that you're going to need three scores, so you have to get at least one of them there. But two of those scores need to be TDs, and 4th and goal is a really good opportunity to get one of those TDs.
As it turned out, they only got one more possession the rest of the game
As it turned out, they only got one more possession the rest of the game
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Wasn't watching the game, so all my opinions are provisional. Analytically, going for it is the higher WP% decision, but it certainly sounds like, on a day where your RB had run for 12 yards while your QB had throw for 400 and one of the best possession WRs in the game had caught 18 passes, you might want to throw there
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Falcons dropped back 8 of their first 10 plays
Hutch said in the postgame that was not the team we watched film of, they abandoned the run early and never really got back to it, which surprised him
- Ridder 47 drop backs, 38 passes, 7 sacks, 2 scrambles
- Bijan 10-33
- Allgeier 7-12
- 20 att for 44 yards on the day - that is not who they are
Detroit has now allowed 53 ATT for 152 yards and 1 TD to RBs on the year.
London 2-31, Pitts at 5-41 with one of his more productive games in the Smith era.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
Brandon Staley’s mom.
The entire coaching staff in Las Vegas.
The entire coaching staff in Las Vegas.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Raiders kicking the FG down 8 with less than 3 mins on the clock was… a choice?
Not one that I, or anyone in the game topic would make, apparently, but Josh called it, so they kicked it.
Weird.
Not one that I, or anyone in the game topic would make, apparently, but Josh called it, so they kicked it.
Weird.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
It seems like once you take the first FG off the board, you’ve committed to going for the next one. Assuming it’s a reasonable yardage to get. I agree that was odd.
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