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Saleh hiring Nathaniel Hackett is perhaps the dumbest thing in the history of dumb things. worse than ND hiring charlie weiss, worse than the bengals keeping marvin lewis and his perennial 8-8 record around for 42 years, worse than the Giants taking danny dimes, and then paying him big bucks in the offseason.
Hackett simply must be fired immediately and taken to the middle of the atlantic and forced to walk the plank. that dope couldn't coach a peewee football team to a victory. I also think it's time for Saleh to hit the road.
 
Tanner9919 said:
Saleh hiring Nathaniel Hackett is perhaps the dumbest thing in the history of dumb things. worse than ND hiring charlie weiss, worse than the bengals keeping marvin lewis and his perennial 8-8 record around for 42 years, worse than the Giants taking danny dimes, and then paying him big bucks in the offseason.
Hackett simply must be fired immediately and taken to the middle of the atlantic and forced to walk the plank. that dope couldn't coach a peewee football team to a victory. I also think it's time for Saleh to hit the road.
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Like most non-functional pieces of the Jets offense (Lazard, Cobb, etc), Hackett is a Rodgers guy. Only reason he has a career in the NFL these days is due to AA-Ron.
 
ignatiusjreilly said:
Is anyone going to discuss why Denver elected to go mayday FG instead of kicking on 3rd down? Why panic and rush? Got bailed out by 12 men.
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Could also have rolled Russ out and then had him throw the ball away.
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This. This is what I would have done. Still I wouldn't want to leave ANY time for Buffalo though there. I didn't catch it all, but why did Denver call that timeout near the end?
 
Benching Cook for 1.5 quarters because of a fumble is old school stupidity.

Fumbles are part of the game. Didn’t bench Davis for the volleyball. Didn’t bench Murray for the lazy drop in the flat. Didn’t bench Allen for the fumble handing it off.

But Cook, one of their best weapons, comes out for what, 16 offensive plays?

Stupid.
 
RenegadeRoy said:
Tanner9919 said:
Saleh hiring Nathaniel Hackett is perhaps the dumbest thing in the history of dumb things. worse than ND hiring charlie weiss, worse than the bengals keeping marvin lewis and his perennial 8-8 record around for 42 years, worse than the Giants taking danny dimes, and then paying him big bucks in the offseason.
Hackett simply must be fired immediately and taken to the middle of the atlantic and forced to walk the plank. that dope couldn't coach a peewee football team to a victory. I also think it's time for Saleh to hit the road.
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Like most non-functional pieces of the Jets offense (Lazard, Cobb, etc), Hackett is a Rodgers guy. Only reason he has a career in the NFL these days is due to AA-Ron.
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You got that right ree-neg-aid-Roy
 
Oof.

This is another case where you really don’t need to cite the analytics. Leave aside the expected conversion rate, just ask what you have to gain punting from your opponent’s 39?
 
Pip's Invitation said:
ignatiusjreilly said:
@BobbyLayne I know Lions are amazing at fake punts, but how do you call it that deep in your own territory unless you have a fool-proof play (not a run by the backup FB)
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The broadcast did a good job of showing that the Packers were lined up too wide for the blocking scheme to work. Lions should have noticed that and changed the play.
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I agree, the play had no chance for success. Packers were sitting on it.

Also did not like Campbell going for 2 even though they made it did not seem right, getting it to 10 made sense, they miss and it would be 11. aybe they don`t trust their kicker.

Then GB goes for 2 and does not make it leaving the door open for a possible Detroit win.
 
ignatiusjreilly said:
@BobbyLayne I know Lions are amazing at fake punts, but how do you call it that deep in your own territory unless you have a fool-proof play (not a run by the backup FB)
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i think if he had followed his blockers instead of trying to cut it back, it may have worked.

i thought it was a dumb call though.

after they were stopped and the Packers scored, the game was effectively over.
 
I know we generally focus on in-game decisions in this thread, but WTF is Saleh talking about here?
Robert Saleh said Breece Hall is a "special talent" but that "there's the grimy yards that a back has to understand he needs to get."

Said he's trying to create explosives right now and he needs to get more of the tough yards rather than always trying to hit a home run. #Jets
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Your offense is trash. Your QBs are trash. Explosive plays are the only thing you have going for you. If you try to matriculate the ball down the field, you just increase the likelihood that your QB will eventually make a mistake
 
I thought Seattle & the Jets game plans were equally terrible.

Establish then run. Stick with it. Try to control the clock, matchup be damned.

I’ve never seen 2 coaches abandon their game plans faster than SEA & NYJ.

I understand they were outmatched. I understand NY was struggling without a starting caliber QB, and I understand Seattle didn’t have Walker:

But they looked like rudferlees ships out there - as though they had no game plan.
 
ignatiusjreilly said:
College edition: As a UM fan, I don’t typically watch Ohio State outside of The Game, but whenever I do I’m reminded of how reassuring it is when Ryan Day consistently punts on 4th and short
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… or lets the clock run down on 4th and 2 at the end of the first half in order to attempt a FG beyond his kicker’s range (which he missed). Shades of Nathan Hackett there
 
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Saban today on that 3rd down play where the QB threw after passing the line of scrimmage. Penalty = 10s runoff or take a time out. With 3 TOs left and 43 seconds left (now 4th down) he saves 10 seconds by taking the timeout. Why??? If you convert don't convert 4th and goal, Auburn gets the ball on their 20 with 35s left and 3 TOs OR 25s left and 2 TOs. Why choose the latter?
 
ignatiusjreilly said:
ignatiusjreilly said:
College edition: As a UM fan, I don’t typically watch Ohio State outside of The Game, but whenever I do I’m reminded of how reassuring it is when Ryan Day consistently punts on 4th and short
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… or lets the clock run down on 4th and 2 at the end of the first half in order to attempt a FG beyond his kicker’s range (which he missed). Shades of Nathan Hackett there
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I had no problem with that call. 3 points are big when you both have tremendous defenses (I know it ended up being 54 total points, but still). And I don't know how many times he would make it from 52 yards if given 25 tries, but he made it on the first "iced" attempt.
 
eighsse2 said:
ignatiusjreilly said:
ignatiusjreilly said:
College edition: As a UM fan, I don’t typically watch Ohio State outside of The Game, but whenever I do I’m reminded of how reassuring it is when Ryan Day consistently punts on 4th and short
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… or lets the clock run down on 4th and 2 at the end of the first half in order to attempt a FG beyond his kicker’s range (which he missed). Shades of Nathan Hackett there
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I had no problem with that call. 3 points are big when you both have tremendous defenses (I know it ended up being 54 total points, but still). And I don't know how many times he would make it from 52 yards if given 25 tries, but he made it on the first "iced" attempt.
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All I know is, each of the last two years (possibly the year before that although I don’t specifically remember), I watched Day repeatedly make the “safe” call and Michigan be aggressive, and I consistently felt happy with both strategies even before I knew the results
 
jabarony said:
Saban today on that 3rd down play where the QB threw after passing the line of scrimmage. Penalty = 10s runoff or take a time out. With 3 TOs left and 43 seconds left (now 4th down) he saves 10 seconds by taking the timeout. Why??? If you convert don't convert 4th and goal, Auburn gets the ball on their 20 with 35s left and 3 TOs OR 25s left and 2 TOs. Why choose the latter?
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Not sure, but maybe he needed the timeout to actually discuss the play call? It was their shot at the CFP on the line, after all
 
I'm trying to remember specific examples, and will come back here and post about them next time I see it, but I feel like I've been seeing a lot of plays lately where teams throw a quick screen to WR out wide with a single CB on him, and the CB immediately blows him up. The call doesn't make any sense; the WR has to secure the catch, then turn and try to shake the tackle, while as soon as the CB realizes what's happening, he can make a beeline for the WR and hit him right after the ball arrives. Just a low-percentage play all around.

Anyone else notice this?
 
ignatiusjreilly said:
I'm trying to remember specific examples, and will come back here and post about them next time I see it, but I feel like I've been seeing a lot of plays lately where teams throw a quick screen to WR out wide with a single CB on him, and the CB immediately blows him up. The call doesn't make any sense; the WR has to secure the catch, then turn and try to shake the tackle, while as soon as the CB realizes what's happening, he can make a beeline for the WR and hit him right after the ball arrives. Just a low-percentage play all around.

Anyone else notice this?
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I especially hate these calls (or the WR screen version) on 3rd and long.
 
zed2283 said:
ignatiusjreilly said:
I'm trying to remember specific examples, and will come back here and post about them next time I see it, but I feel like I've been seeing a lot of plays lately where teams throw a quick screen to WR out wide with a single CB on him, and the CB immediately blows him up. The call doesn't make any sense; the WR has to secure the catch, then turn and try to shake the tackle, while as soon as the CB realizes what's happening, he can make a beeline for the WR and hit him right after the ball arrives. Just a low-percentage play all around.

Anyone else notice this?
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I especially hate these calls (or the WR screen version) on 3rd and long.
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Just remembered one of the worst examples I've ever seen of this play: In Waddle's rookie year, the Dolphins ran that play to him out of their own end zone! Raiders CB immediately tackled him for a safety. Pretty sure that in all my years of watching football, that's the only time I've ever seen a safety off a completed catch
 
You would think that Sean McDermott, of all people, would know that it's possible to put together a scoring drive in less than 20 seconds.

Seriously, absolutely hated the Bills taking a knee at the end of regulation. You're on the road in Philly, so not only are your odds less than 50% in OT, but there's also a good chance Hurts gets the kickoff and takes it down for a TD (and aside from the fact that Buffalo got the ball first, that's basically what happened). Sure, there's a risk of a turnover, but you have to push every advantage you can get in a situation like that, and having Josh Allen throwing to weapons like Diggs, Davis and Kincaid is a risk you gotta take.
 
ignatiusjreilly said:
You would think that Sean McDermott, of all people, would know that it's possible to put together a scoring drive in less than 20 seconds.

Seriously, absolutely hated the Bills taking a knee at the end of regulation. You're on the road in Philly, so not only are your odds less than 50% in OT, but there's also a good chance Hurts gets the kickoff and takes it down for a TD (and aside from the fact that Buffalo got the ball first, that's basically what happened). Sure, there's a risk of a turnover, but you have to push every advantage you can get in a situation like that, and having Josh Allen throwing to weapons like Diggs, Davis and Kincaid is a risk you gotta take.
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Agreed 100%. He takes a time out to “ice” the kicker (in reality probably settles his nerves) instead of keeping it, having 20 seconds and two time outs to go 35 yards and try for a long game winner.

Incompetence.
 
The Duff Man said:
ignatiusjreilly said:
You would think that Sean McDermott, of all people, would know that it's possible to put together a scoring drive in less than 20 seconds.

Seriously, absolutely hated the Bills taking a knee at the end of regulation. You're on the road in Philly, so not only are your odds less than 50% in OT, but there's also a good chance Hurts gets the kickoff and takes it down for a TD (and aside from the fact that Buffalo got the ball first, that's basically what happened). Sure, there's a risk of a turnover, but you have to push every advantage you can get in a situation like that, and having Josh Allen throwing to weapons like Diggs, Davis and Kincaid is a risk you gotta take.
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Agreed 100%. He takes a time out to “ice” the kicker (in reality probably settles his nerves) instead of keeping it, having 20 seconds and two time outs to go 35 yards and try for a long game winner.

Incompetence.
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He has consistently played not to lose and they have consistently lost precisely because of it. It’s time for him to go.
 
The Duff Man said:
ignatiusjreilly said:
You would think that Sean McDermott, of all people, would know that it's possible to put together a scoring drive in less than 20 seconds.

Seriously, absolutely hated the Bills taking a knee at the end of regulation. You're on the road in Philly, so not only are your odds less than 50% in OT, but there's also a good chance Hurts gets the kickoff and takes it down for a TD (and aside from the fact that Buffalo got the ball first, that's basically what happened). Sure, there's a risk of a turnover, but you have to push every advantage you can get in a situation like that, and having Josh Allen throwing to weapons like Diggs, Davis and Kincaid is a risk you gotta take.
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Agreed 100%. He takes a time out to “ice” the kicker (in reality probably settles his nerves) instead of keeping it, having 20 seconds and two time outs to go 35 yards and try for a long game winner.

Incompetence.
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Hadn't even realized he took the TO. Yeah, that makes it even worse (though it's not like he planned on using them anyway).

IIRC the data show that icing the kicker basically has no effect either way on accuracy. But it certainly doesn't make sense to do it if you can still use the TO
 
So Joe Burrow is out and Jake Browning is starting, and Zac Taylor calls 8 run plays to 26 passes? In a game that was a 1 score game all the way until the final 3 minutes.

Just a reminder that Zac Taylor has coached 33 games without Joe Burrow and won 4 of them.
 
I thought it was a terrible decision for the ravens to kick that FG with like 3 minutes left rather than go for it. Doesn't even matter to me that he missed it, that just makes it worse.
If you get it, game over. If you don't, still a 3 point game. Silly to me.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I thought Seattle & the Jets game plans were equally terrible.

Establish then run. Stick with it. Try to control the clock, matchup be damned.

I’ve never seen 2 coaches abandon their game plans faster than SEA & NYJ.

I understand they were outmatched. I understand NY was struggling without a starting caliber QB, and I understand Seattle didn’t have Walker:

But they looked like rudferlees ships out there - as though they had no game plan.
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I feel like NE falls into this trap a lot too. Mac Jones will have a 40% completion percentage and multiple INTs, but they just completely abandon the run and allow him 30+ attempts.
 
Dickies said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I thought Seattle & the Jets game plans were equally terrible.

Establish then run. Stick with it. Try to control the clock, matchup be damned.

I’ve never seen 2 coaches abandon their game plans faster than SEA & NYJ.

I understand they were outmatched. I understand NY was struggling without a starting caliber QB, and I understand Seattle didn’t have Walker:

But they looked like rudferlees ships out there - as though they had no game plan.
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I feel like NE falls into this trap a lot too. Mac Jones will have a 40% completion percentage and multiple INTs, but they just completely abandon the run and allow him 30+ attempts.
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Right - and then they’ll put in Zappe when it’s clear the game is completely out of hand, and they’ll have Zappe throw 20x too.
 
travdogg said:
So Joe Burrow is out and Jake Browning is starting, and Zac Taylor calls 8 run plays to 26 passes? In a game that was a 1 score game all the way until the final 3 minutes.

Just a reminder that Zac Taylor has coached 33 games without Joe Burrow and won 4 of them.
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And yet all the chatter after the game was that Mixon sucked and the blame should be on him. Bizarre.
 
Miami 38, Washington 15, early 4th quarter

4th & 8 at MIA 35​

(14:15 - 4th) J.Slye 53 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-C.Cheeseman, Holder-T.Way.
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If you're a Commanders player and you know your coach has given up, why shouldn't you do the same?
 
The Bills didn’t play this week but I still have the point out again their coach gave up with 20 seconds left rather than try to win 🤬
 
Andy Reid is a great coach, and the Chiefs got jobbed on the DPI no-call, but still, maybe you don’t keep targeting MVS with the game on the line?
 
I’m not quite sure what Mahomes and Reid were thinking on the play just before the Hail Mary when Mahomes threw a short incompletion. Felt like they could have had two shots at the hail Mary versus 1.
 
jvdesigns2002 said:
I’m not quite sure what Mahomes and Reid were thinking on the play just before the Hail Mary when Mahomes threw a short incompletion. Felt like they could have had two shots at the hail Mary versus 1.
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That was weird. My only thought was that they had a quick out called, but Mahomes didn't like what he saw so immediately threw it away to at least ensure he'd get one more play
 
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