So much to choose from in that Cowboys-Texans game, but let's go with Garrett punting on 4th and 1 in OT.
lolLooked to me like after making the OT kick, Hue started to let everyone know there were still 2 seconds left on the clock.
So badSo much to choose from in that Cowboys-Texans game, but let's go with Garrett punting on 4th and 1 in OT.
I got so angry when the Broncos, down 17 in the 4th, decided to go for it on 4th down instead of kicking the field goal. Are coaches just idiots? I dont get it. Yes you want the touchdown, but if you dont score the game is over. Logic says - kick the field goal, cut the lead to 2 scores and move forward. YOU WERE GOING TO NEED 3 SCORES ANYWAY!Vance Joseph all year.....
if you get the TD you can get a 2 point conversion this time and a 3 point conversion next TD.I got so angry when the Broncos, down 17 in the 4th, decided to go for it on 4th down instead of kicking the field goal. Are coaches just idiots? I dont get it. Yes you want the touchdown, but if you dont score the game is over. Logic says - kick the field goal, cut the lead to 2 scores and move forward. YOU WERE GOING TO NEED 3 SCORES ANYWAY!
Nope. You've got it exactly backward. The "obviously stupid" move would have been to "take the points" in order to "stay in the game" and "live to fight another day".I got so angry when the Broncos, down 17 in the 4th, decided to go for it on 4th down instead of kicking the field goal. Are coaches just idiots? I dont get it. Yes you want the touchdown, but if you dont score the game is over. Logic says - kick the field goal, cut the lead to 2 scores and move forward. YOU WERE GOING TO NEED 3 SCORES ANYWAY!
I would not be surprised if this was Vance Joseph's strategy...if you get the TD you can get a 2 point conversion this time and a 3 point conversion next TD.
By "take advantage" you mean get nothing and give the ball over still down 3 scores... instead of down 2 scores and still in the game.Nope. You've got it exactly backward. The "obviously stupid" move would have been to "take the points" in order to "stay in the game" and "live to fight another day".
The Broncos had just driven 69 yards to the Jets 6 and had a fourth and three. Yes, they needed three scores, but what they especially needed was TDs. A drive where you're inside your opponent's 10 is about as good an opportunity as you'll get to score one of those TDs. Joseph is a terrible coach, but he was absolutely right to take advantage of that opportunity.
Both challenges in that game were absolutely moronic.So much to choose from in that Cowboys-Texans game, but let's go with Garrett punting on 4th and 1 in OT.
Bad results <> bad process.I would not be surprised if this was Vance Joseph's strategy...
By "take advantage" you mean get nothing and give the ball over still down 3 scores... instead of down 2 scores and still in the game.
If this was the situation and it was 4th and 3 at the 6, I completely agree that you have to go for the TD there.Nope. You've got it exactly backward. The "obviously stupid" move would have been to "take the points" in order to "stay in the game" and "live to fight another day".
The Broncos had just driven 69 yards to the Jets 6 and had a fourth and three. Yes, they needed three scores, but what they especially needed was TDs. A drive where you're inside your opponent's 10 is about as good an opportunity as you'll get to score one of those TDs. Joseph is a terrible coach, but he was absolutely right to take advantage of that opportunity.
That was my initial reaction, too, but it did take away a first down, and if the guys up in the booth felt confident they would win the challenge (which they did), I can see the logic.Both challenges in that game were absolutely moronic.
Bill O’Brian’s challenge in that game consisted of him challenging the spot of a Zeke run on first down inside the ten yard line that moved the ball 2 yards back.
Wilson is playing through a hamstring injury. I'm not a fan of OC Brian Schottenheimer, especially not paired with Wilson, but I think Wilson himself is limiting his running due to the injury.The Seahawks neutering Wilson’s running ability is insane to me. Especially now that they have a good run game going, they could have a really good offense if they opened things up
Pederson made the right call vs the Vikes Sunday.I just don't see any coach doing it in that situation (not even Doug Pederson).
Yes, meant to post that. Pederson may single-handedly force us to retire this entire thread (although I'm sure Hugh Jackson will immediately force us to re-open it).Pederson made the right call vs the Vikes Sunday.
You quoted a pretty old post of mine that wasn’t in reference to the Vikings game. I actually posted in this thread that Pederson made the right call to go for 2 against the VikesPederson made the right call vs the Vikes Sunday.
He quoted a post of yours where you said you didn't see any coach going for two in a situation where they score to make it an eight point game. That was exactly the scenario where Pederson went for two vs the Vikings.You quoted a pretty old post of mine that wasn’t in reference to the Vikings game. I actually posted in this thread that Pederson made the right call to go for 2 against the Vikes
He is the worst.Vance Joseph all year.....
You're totally right. Going back to that post, I agree with the decision to go for 2 in that situation. It's just that I didn't take any coach had the balls to do it. I was wrong.He quoted a post of yours where you said you didn't see any coach going for two in a situation where they score to make it an eight point game. That was exactly the scenario where Pederson went for two vs the Vikings.
I didn't read it as criticism, just pointing out that a prediction you made turned out to be wrong. But I was as shocked as anyone to see Pederson do that. It was only the second time this century that a coach had gone for two there.
And you're totally right regarding his press game conference. It was hilarious how he was actually shocked that the media would question him about a decision that in his mind was so obvious. He's so far ahead right now.Yes, meant to post that. Pederson may single-handedly force us to retire this entire thread (although I'm sure Hugh Jackson will immediately force us to re-open it).
Also, apparently he was asked about it after the game and said something to the effect of, "Duh! Of course you go for two there."
The important thing is that that process behind your prediction was good, even if the results weren't.You're totally right. Going back to that post, I agree with the decision to go for 2 in that situation. It's just that I didn't take any coach had the balls to do it. I was wrong.
Just heard them talking on the radio about some article that ranked the "hotness" of each NFL head coach's seat, and Joseph came in at #1.Vance Joseph all year.....
I was thinking he exact same thing re: Barkley. Throw him a ### #### bone for crying out loud. He was the only guy on the team who showed up. Embarrassing game by the Giants tonight. Truly pathetic.So tonight the Giants were getting blown out. There’s 2 mins left.
Giants had every starter out there except for Barkley - who was 1 receiving yard from being the 1st Giants RB to go 100/100 in a game.
And he was the only one not on the field.
and wait; there’s more. It’s two mins to go, the Eagles aren’t gonna stop the clock.
They don’t kneel, they don’t throw deep - they inexplicably call a couple intermediate plays that have none chance.
What the holy hell were the Giants even doing there at the end?
Just mind-bogglingly bad.
To be fair, Pat Shurmer has his current job because the last guy *didn't* put Eli Manning behind center.Pat Shurmur put Eli Manning behind center for the 5th straight game. Just sayin.
I feel like Eli is getting blamed more than he should. Which is largely the deal when you're qb, I guess. He's bad, but I don't think he's quite this bad. Where's the bad gm thread? They think about an offensive line?Pat Shurmur put Eli Manning behind center for the 5th straight game. Just sayin.
Reminds me of the 85 Bears SB against the Pats and Ditka didn't let Payton try to punch one in for a TD. Meant the world to Sweetness, too, but coaches aren't always clued in to these milestones when they are in the gameflow.So tonight the Giants were getting blown out. There’s 2 mins left.
Giants had every starter out there except for Barkley - who was 1 receiving yard from being the 1st Giants RB to go 100/100 in a game.
And he was the only one not on the field.
and wait; there’s more. It’s two mins to go, the Eagles aren’t gonna stop the clock.
They don’t kneel, they don’t throw deep - they inexplicably call a couple intermediate plays that have none chance.
What the holy hell were the Giants even doing there at the end?
Just mind-bogglingly bad.
Hey, you gotta protect your franchise players ... which is why they had OBJ returning punts with 1:30 left in the gameSo tonight the Giants were getting blown out. There’s 2 mins left.
Giants had every starter out there except for Barkley - who was 1 receiving yard from being the 1st Giants RB to go 100/100 in a game.
And he was the only one not on the field.
and wait; there’s more. It’s two mins to go, the Eagles aren’t gonna stop the clock.
They don’t kneel, they don’t throw deep - they inexplicably call a couple intermediate plays that have none chance.
What the holy hell were the Giants even doing there at the end?
Just mind-bogglingly bad.
The fact that Eli got benched isn't what caused fans to freak out. It's because he got benched for Geno effing Smith who every fan had already seen be a disaster in town.To be fair, Pat Shurmer has his current job because the last guy *didn't* put Eli Manning behind center.
To be fair, a 3-yard pass is about all Eli is capable of throwing these days.Giants had 1st and Goal tonight from the 5ish yard line. Saquon got the carry on 1st for a couple yards. Then the Giants proceeded to let Eli try and pass on 2nd and 3rd down from the 3 yard line. Unbelievable.
If I have Saquon Barkley and get 4 plays from inside the 5 yard line, I'm handing it off three times in a row, and probably just handing it off on 4th down again if needed.
Pat Shurmur is an idiot.
Because he was going 50 yards with them and the field is only 100 yards long.To be fair, a 3-yard pass is about all Eli is capable of throwing these days.
But yeah, that was a laugher. Barkley only got 13 handoffs last night. Why wasn't it 30?
Exactly - I was thinking that too last night.zftcg said:Hey, you gotta protect your franchise players ... which is why they had OBJ returning punts with 1:30 left in the game
I actually think the Saquon thing is defensible. Maybe he doesn't care about that milestone. Maybe his back was acting up a little. Or maybe Shurmur doesn't want to have his franchise back blow out a knee in pure garbage time.Exactly - I was thinking that too last night.
It occured to me that it might be a punishment.
Why would Shurmur know or care about some obscure and totally meaningless stat like his RB's receiving yards?I actually think the Saquon thing is defensible. Maybe he doesn't care about that milestone. Maybe his back was acting up a little. Or maybe Shurmur doesn't want to have his franchise back blow out a knee in pure garbage time.
But the OBJ thing is puzzling. I know the Steelers do it with Brown and the Chiefs with Hill, but they're both among the best return men in the game. Is OBJ that good? I've never seen it.
Agreed. The Eagles used to put Desean back every once in a while for punt returns, but Desean was actually a great punt returner. See 2010 Eagles/Giants game in the MeadowlandsI actually think the Saquon thing is defensible. Maybe he doesn't care about that milestone. Maybe his back was acting up a little. Or maybe Shurmur doesn't want to have his franchise back blow out a knee in pure garbage time.
But the OBJ thing is puzzling. I know the Steelers do it with Brown and the Chiefs with Hill, but they're both among the best return men in the game. Is OBJ that good? I've never seen it.
Because you’re at home, and your team is getting it’s butt royally kicked in a prime time game, and it would give the fanbase something to be excited about.I actually think the Saquon thing is defensible. Maybe he doesn't care about that milestone. Maybe his back was acting up a little. Or maybe Shurmur doesn't want to have his franchise back blow out a knee in pure garbage time.
But the OBJ thing is puzzling. I know the Steelers do it with Brown and the Chiefs with Hill, but they're both among the best return men in the game. Is OBJ that good? I've never seen it.