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“He doesn’t love you. He doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up: To love this country,” Giuliani said of Obama at the Manhattan dinner, which was arranged for Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker.

“Look, this man was brought up basically in a white family, so whatever he learned or didn’t learn, I attribute this more to the influence of communism and socialism” than to his race, Giuliani told the Daily News.

“I don’t (see) this President as being particularly a product of African-American society or something like that. He isn’t,” the former mayor added. “Logically, think about his background. . . The ideas that are troubling me and are leading to this come from communists with whom he associated when he was 9 years old”
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cstu said:
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“He doesn’t love you. He doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up: To love this country,” Giuliani said of Obama at the Manhattan dinner, which was arranged for Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker.

“Look, this man was brought up basically in a white family, so whatever he learned or didn’t learn, I attribute this more to the influence of communism and socialism” than to his race, Giuliani told the Daily News.

“I don’t (see) this President as being particularly a product of African-American society or something like that. He isn’t,” the former mayor added. “Logically, think about his background. . . The ideas that are troubling me and are leading to this come from communists with whom he associated when he was 9 years old”
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Did he step out of a time machine? Is Rudy going 12 monkeys on us?

 
http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/02/rudy-guiliani-death-threats?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Rudy Giuliani Says He's Getting Death Threats Over Obama Comments

Rudy Giuliani has been under fire this week for accusing President Obama of being less-than-patriotic, and now he says his office has been getting death threats over it. He still doesn't think Obama loves America, though. CNN's senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta said he talked to the former New York City mayor this morning. "I don't regret making the statement. I believe it. I don't know if he loves America... I don't feel the same enthusiasm from him for America," Guiliani told him.

As the New York Daily News points out, Guiliani got his draft deferred several times to avoid serving time in Vietnam, and his father and five uncles ducked the draft during World War II. Both Obama's grandfather and uncle served in the war. Despite this, Giuliani claims Obama wasn't "brought up the way you were and the way I was brought up through love of this country." We're just gonna leave that right there.

 
If he's not planning to run for President again, Giuliani can say whatever wacko things he wants -- seems pretty standard for old people to be fairly nuts when it comes to political stuff, at least judging by the typical email forwards and facebook postings we all get from elderly relatives.

But if he's still got any kind of political aspirations -- beyond posting crazy rants on facebook, I mean -- I think he just killed them.

 
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Pretty much knows he's just fills a chair on Hannity's Super Duper American Panel at this point. This probably gets him a few more guest spots. Maybe even team up with Trump to pretend they are going to run.

 
Yeah, he may not even believe what he's saying but he's getting attention from the places he probably wants to get attention. A lot of the FOX crowd is probably loving it, while he's pissing off the overly sensitive weenies in the MSNBC crowd.

I think most normal folks don't really care.

 
The General said:
Pretty much knows he's just fills a chair on Hannity's Super Duper American Panel at this point. This probably gets him a few more guest spots. Maybe even team up with Trump to pretend they are going to run.
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Fake presidential candidacy has become a cottage industry.

 
RBM said:
Yeah, he may not even believe what he's saying but he's getting attention from the places he probably wants to get attention. A lot of the FOX crowd is probably loving it, while he's pissing off the overly sensitive weenies in the MSNBC crowd.

I think most normal folks don't really care.
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Sensitive weenies are not exclusive to the MSNBC crowd. If some hack Dem past his political prime said this about a sitting president the screamers on FOX would be crying like little babies for weeks.

 
squistion said:
http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/02/rudy-guiliani-death-threats?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Rudy Giuliani Says He's Getting Death Threats Over Obama Comments

Rudy Giuliani has been under fire this week for accusing President Obama of being less-than-patriotic, and now he says his office has been getting death threats over it. He still doesn't think Obama loves America, though. CNN's senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta said he talked to the former New York City mayor this morning. "I don't regret making the statement. I believe it. I don't know if he loves America... I don't feel the same enthusiasm from him for America," Guiliani told him.

As the New York Daily News points out, Guiliani got his draft deferred several times to avoid serving time in Vietnam, and his father and five uncles ducked the draft during World War II. Both Obama's grandfather and uncle served in the war. Despite this, Giuliani claims Obama wasn't "brought up the way you were and the way I was brought up through love of this country." We're just gonna leave that right there.
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Well, besides working for it 24/7 the past six years.

 
The General said:
RBM said:
Yeah, he may not even believe what he's saying but he's getting attention from the places he probably wants to get attention. A lot of the FOX crowd is probably loving it, while he's pissing off the overly sensitive weenies in the MSNBC crowd.

I think most normal folks don't really care.
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Sensitive weenies are not exclusive to the MSNBC crowd. If some hack Dem past his political prime said this about a sitting president the screamers on FOX would be crying like little babies for weeks.
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JFC, that's all they do is whine and freak the #### out about the coming apocalypse of whatever the next flavor of the month is. RBM saying this about the left demonstrates a not so very close relationship with reality.

 
Always has been a low class thug, always will be.

Doesn't mean he was not a good wartime general, but unless things are already in a crisis he only makes things worse. Times like this remind those of us from the NY area how awful his time as mayor had been until 9/11.

 
SacramentoBob said:
I don't see why his initial comments were portrayed as racist, but he didn't help himself with the follow ups.
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I never for a second thought rudy's comments were racist. Hell, that might even be a better reason as opposed to being a narcissistic has been and hard up for attention fame whore.

 
squistion said:
http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/02/rudy-guiliani-death-threats?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Rudy Giuliani Says He's Getting Death Threats Over Obama Comments

Rudy Giuliani has been under fire this week for accusing President Obama of being less-than-patriotic, and now he says his office has been getting death threats over it. He still doesn't think Obama loves America, though. CNN's senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta said he talked to the former New York City mayor this morning. "I don't regret making the statement. I believe it. I don't know if he loves America... I don't feel the same enthusiasm from him for America," Guiliani told him.

As the New York Daily News points out, Guiliani got his draft deferred several times to avoid serving time in Vietnam, and his father and five uncles ducked the draft during World War II. Both Obama's grandfather and uncle served in the war. Despite this, Giuliani claims Obama wasn't "brought up the way you were and the way I was brought up through love of this country." We're just gonna leave that right there.
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I agree with this 100 percent.

 
Koya said:
Always has been a low class thug, always will be.

Doesn't mean he was not a good wartime general, but unless things are already in a crisis he only makes things worse. Times like this remind those of us from the NY area how awful his time as mayor had been until 9/11.
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you don't remember how bad NYC was before Rudy? That is insane

 
popsecret said:
Koya said:
Always has been a low class thug, always will be.

Doesn't mean he was not a good wartime general, but unless things are already in a crisis he only makes things worse. Times like this remind those of us from the NY area how awful his time as mayor had been until 9/11.
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you don't remember how bad NYC was before Rudy? That is insane
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Never said that. I remember well. He was the stern ####### NY needed to whip our collective ### into shape; he also was great for unifying the city post 9/11 and did what was needed to have us feel - and be - safe.

Prior to that his admin was spinning wheels. Not a consensus builder in peacetime, but he was the perfect man for the time.

Still a pathetic low life, no class ########, though.

 
Koya said:
popsecret said:
Koya said:
Always has been a low class thug, always will be.

Doesn't mean he was not a good wartime general, but unless things are already in a crisis he only makes things worse. Times like this remind those of us from the NY area how awful his time as mayor had been until 9/11.
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you don't remember how bad NYC was before Rudy? That is insane
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Never said that. I remember well. He was the stern ####### NY needed to whip our collective ### into shape; he also was great for unifying the city post 9/11 and did what was needed to have us feel - and be - safe.

Prior to that his admin was spinning wheels. Not a consensus builder in peacetime, but he was the perfect man for the time.

Still a pathetic low life, no class ########, though.
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Obama forcing health care on us is a billion times worse than ANYTHING he did

 
popsecret said:
Koya said:
popsecret said:
Koya said:
Always has been a low class thug, always will be.

Doesn't mean he was not a good wartime general, but unless things are already in a crisis he only makes things worse. Times like this remind those of us from the NY area how awful his time as mayor had been until 9/11.
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you don't remember how bad NYC was before Rudy? That is insane
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Never said that. I remember well. He was the stern ####### NY needed to whip our collective ### into shape; he also was great for unifying the city post 9/11 and did what was needed to have us feel - and be - safe.

Prior to that his admin was spinning wheels. Not a consensus builder in peacetime, but he was the perfect man for the time.

Still a pathetic low life, no class ########, though.
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Obama forcing health care on us is a billion times worse than ANYTHING he did
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Do you actually know anything about Rudy's time as Mayor - the full term (and a very successful stint as US Attorney, prior).

Fwiw, imposing healthcare is really no more than a tax directly related to an available service that, at LEAST, is provided by the private sector.

Now that we have what the law is, you can like the tax or not in the appropriate thread (ie. Not this one).

 
Explain to me how adding trillions to the debt when the econony is doing well by engaging in needless war is the same thing as adding to the debt when tax revenues are down because of the great recession and you need to increase government spending to try to stabilize the economy. But, hypocrisy, f yeah!

 
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Explain to me how adding trillions to the debt when the econony is doing well by engaging in needless war is the same thing as adding to the debt when tax revenues are down because of the great recession and you need to increase government spending to try to stabilize the economy. But, hypocrisy, f yeah!
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Patriotism Reconsidered

William S. Becker

Posted: 02/22/15 02:57 PM ET Updated: 02/22/15 03:59 PM ET

It is tempting to dismiss Rudy Giuliani's recent judgment about President Barack Obama's love of country as a sign that America's Mayor will say almost anything to get back in the spotlight. We should not give Giuliani and his unapologetic lack of respect for a sitting president more attention than they deserve.

Unfortunately, Giuliani's comments warrant more scrutiny for two reasons. Let's ignore his red-bating allegation that President Obama was influenced by communists as a child, and focus instead on his statement that the President does not love America. Trying to explain himself on Fox News, Giuliani complained that President Obama "apologizes for America, he criticizes America."

The first reason to pay attention is that this is the latest example of a pattern in which partisans engage in the character assassination of the President of the United States, whoever he or she may be. Barack Obama has been targeted repeatedly with ridiculous allegations from the element of the Republican Party that plays on the gullibility of its followers and plays dirty, in this case by seeding doubt about where Mr. Obama was born, his religious affiliation, his upbringing, his motives and now his love of country.

It is the same scummy political warfare that branded John Kerry as undeserving of his medals from the Vietnam War (an assault than continues today), and accused John McCain of fathering a black child out of wedlock. It is politics without truth, principle or conscience, so vile that the American people should defeat any candidate or political party that practices or condones it. Even in politics and with due respect for the First Amendment, there is a line we should not allow our politicians to cross.

Second, Giuliani's comment reveals a skin-deep definition of patriotism that is, dare I say it, un-American. It is the idea that dissent is disloyal and that anyone who criticizes America hates America. That is an ironically perverted definition of loyalty in a nation born from dissent and whose proudest moments have come in protests against its flaws including racism, misogyny, injustice and other offenses against our deepest ideals.

Let's break it down. To have a conscience is not to hate oneself, and to speak for the nation's conscience is not unpatriotic. If it were, then we would have to conclude that some of our most respected leaders were disloyal by acknowledging when the nation has been wrong. Abraham Lincoln loved America no less for opposing slavery. Ronald Reagan was not unpatriotic when he signed the law in 1988 that admitted we were wrong to intern 100,000 Japanese Americans during World War II. To love America is to love it warts and all, and to care enough to speak up when it has lost its way.

Giuliani's comments are symptomatic of an element in our politics that has distorted patriotism all the way down to our grass roots. Last year in Colorado, for example, conservative members of the Jefferson County School Board near Denver attempted to revise the district's history books to emphasize the "positive aspects" of America and to avoid material that seemed to condone "civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law".

Yet civil disobedience has been the heart and soul of patriotism in American history -- the peaceful exercise of revolution that Thomas Jefferson believed must occur regularly for a healthy democracy. To their credit, hundreds of the district's students responded with civil strife by walking out of their classes in protest.

Let's remember who we are. We are the nation that became the arsenal of democracy to defeat Nazism in World War II. But we also are the nation that shut its doors to Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi prosecution; in 1939, we even refused to dock a ship carrying several hundred Jews, sending them back into the holocaust.

We are the nation that went to war with itself -- a war that cost 750,000 lives -- to end slavery and whose president signed the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863. But we are also the nation whose highest court ruled in 1857 that African Americans were property and that even those who lived in free states had to return to slavery.

We are the nation whose states ratified the 19th Amendment in 1920, extending the right to vote to women. But we did so only after denying women that right, and even the right to own property, for nearly 150 years.

We are the nation whose pioneers underwent incredible hardship to settle the West. But we are also a nation whose president and Congress in 1830 ordered the forced march of nearly 125,000 Native Americans 1,000 miles west so that white cotton farmers could take over ancestral Indian lands. Thousands of Native Americans died of starvation and illness on what became known as the Trail of Tears.

We are the nation that Winston Churchill characterized when he said, "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing -- after they've tried everything else." Churchill was generous because there are issues where we still have not got it right.

Our most loyal leaders are those who care enough to hold a mirror up to the American people so we can see our flaws. Patriotism is much more profound a virtue than putting a bumper sticker on the back of a Hummer or singing the national anthem at the Superbowl. True patriotism is not goose-stepping along with the crowd when it strays from the path the Founders mapped. And as President Obama himself has reminded us, "a freedom without love or charity or duty or patriotism, is unworthy of our founding ideals, and those who died in their defense." That is not the statement of a president who does not love the country he leads.

One blogger responded to criticism of Giuliani's statements by posting a video in which then-Sen. Obama called President George W. Bush "unpatriotic" for running up the national debt by borrowing from China. While Obama's grounds for that allegation were more substantial than Giuliani's, Obama should not have gone there either.

When public figures suggest that patriotism must be proved with frequent gushy pronouncements of love rather than the relentless blood-and-guts character-testing struggle that it really is, it is time for us to restore the true meaning of the concept.
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