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Privacy - this is getting ridiculous (1 Viewer)

Thanks for resurrecting this. On another similar tack this article I read today struck me:


This is totally a cartel. These companies creating this playing field need to be dismantled immediately.

tks ...scary, gross and makes me stabby
 
Ford Patents In-Car System That Eavesdrops So It Can Play You Ads

Yeah, you read the headline right. Ford has patented a system that, per the filing, would use several different sources of information to customize ad content to play in your car. One such information stream that this hypothetical system would use to determine what sort of ads to serve could be could be the voice commands you’ve given to the car. It could also identify your voice and recognize you and your ad preferences, and those of your passengers. Finally, it could listen to your conversations and determine if it’s better to serve you a visual ad while you’re talking, or an audio ad when there’s a lull in the conversation.
 
A couple more that make the blood boil:

Hotel rates higher if search is from San Fran than someplace like Phoenix. VPN is your best friend.

Allstate inserting malware into folks phones (my definition), tracking through apps, then increasing rates because of it. "The software was designed beginning in 2015 by Allstate's data analytics unit, Arity, and integrated into several apps such as Fuel Rewards, GasBuddy, Life360 and Allstate-owned Routely." I always wondered who was paying for the GasBuddy rewards. Now we know. The Life360 one really pisses me off as they already have a subscription model. ********, complete ********.
 
Ford Patents In-Car System That Eavesdrops So It Can Play You Ads

Yeah, you read the headline right. Ford has patented a system that, per the filing, would use several different sources of information to customize ad content to play in your car. One such information stream that this hypothetical system would use to determine what sort of ads to serve could be could be the voice commands you’ve given to the car. It could also identify your voice and recognize you and your ad preferences, and those of your passengers. Finally, it could listen to your conversations and determine if it’s better to serve you a visual ad while you’re talking, or an audio ad when there’s a lull in the conversation.

Is this serving ads you normally wouldn’t be getting? If so, ok but if you’re going to be seeing ads anyway might as well have them be somewhat relevant, right? I never understand the problem with this one. Are people upset that it’s serving ads in the first place or that they are customized?
 
Ford Patents In-Car System That Eavesdrops So It Can Play You Ads

Yeah, you read the headline right. Ford has patented a system that, per the filing, would use several different sources of information to customize ad content to play in your car. One such information stream that this hypothetical system would use to determine what sort of ads to serve could be could be the voice commands you’ve given to the car. It could also identify your voice and recognize you and your ad preferences, and those of your passengers. Finally, it could listen to your conversations and determine if it’s better to serve you a visual ad while you’re talking, or an audio ad when there’s a lull in the conversation.

Is this serving ads you normally wouldn’t be getting? If so, ok but if you’re going to be seeing ads anyway might as well have them be somewhat relevant, right? I never understand the problem with this one. Are people upset that it’s serving ads in the first place or that they are customized?
Am I going to get a bunch of kinky ads when my wife gets into the car after I was out without her?
 
Ford Patents In-Car System That Eavesdrops So It Can Play You Ads

Yeah, you read the headline right. Ford has patented a system that, per the filing, would use several different sources of information to customize ad content to play in your car. One such information stream that this hypothetical system would use to determine what sort of ads to serve could be could be the voice commands you’ve given to the car. It could also identify your voice and recognize you and your ad preferences, and those of your passengers. Finally, it could listen to your conversations and determine if it’s better to serve you a visual ad while you’re talking, or an audio ad when there’s a lull in the conversation.

Is this serving ads you normally wouldn’t be getting? If so, ok but if you’re going to be seeing ads anyway might as well have them be somewhat relevant, right? I never understand the problem with this one. Are people upset that it’s serving ads in the first place or that they are customized?
Am I going to get a bunch of kinky ads when my wife gets into the car after I was out without her?
My wife and I could use some kinky ads to get things going again if you know what I mean.

I mean yeah, if you're talking about fleshlights with your buddies and then your wife gets in the car and they play a fleshlight ad, that could be weird.
 
Ford Patents In-Car System That Eavesdrops So It Can Play You Ads

Yeah, you read the headline right. Ford has patented a system that, per the filing, would use several different sources of information to customize ad content to play in your car. One such information stream that this hypothetical system would use to determine what sort of ads to serve could be could be the voice commands you’ve given to the car. It could also identify your voice and recognize you and your ad preferences, and those of your passengers. Finally, it could listen to your conversations and determine if it’s better to serve you a visual ad while you’re talking, or an audio ad when there’s a lull in the conversation.

Is this serving ads you normally wouldn’t be getting? If so, ok but if you’re going to be seeing ads anyway might as well have them be somewhat relevant, right? I never understand the problem with this one. Are people upset that it’s serving ads in the first place or that they are customized?
Am I going to get a bunch of kinky ads when my wife gets into the car after I was out without her?
My wife and I could use some kinky ads to get things going again if you know what I mean.

I mean yeah, if you're talking about fleshlights with your buddies and then your wife gets in the car and they play a fleshlight ad, that could be weird.
:lmao: :lmao:
 
Ford Patents In-Car System That Eavesdrops So It Can Play You Ads

Yeah, you read the headline right. Ford has patented a system that, per the filing, would use several different sources of information to customize ad content to play in your car. One such information stream that this hypothetical system would use to determine what sort of ads to serve could be could be the voice commands you’ve given to the car. It could also identify your voice and recognize you and your ad preferences, and those of your passengers. Finally, it could listen to your conversations and determine if it’s better to serve you a visual ad while you’re talking, or an audio ad when there’s a lull in the conversation.

Is this serving ads you normally wouldn’t be getting? If so, ok but if you’re going to be seeing ads anyway might as well have them be somewhat relevant, right? I never understand the problem with this one. Are people upset that it’s serving ads in the first place or that they are customized?

There's no saying. They patented the system that eavesdrops on you in one of your private spaces. They didn't patent how they will use the data.

I mean is that something you're ok with, having corporations eavesdrop on you and record your conversations? Do you trust them?

Are you ok with the government then obtaining any conversation you have in your car via subpoena? If you and your wife are getting a divorce, are you ok with her obtaining a copy of your conversations to look for anything that can be used against you?
 
Ford Patents In-Car System That Eavesdrops So It Can Play You Ads

Yeah, you read the headline right. Ford has patented a system that, per the filing, would use several different sources of information to customize ad content to play in your car. One such information stream that this hypothetical system would use to determine what sort of ads to serve could be could be the voice commands you’ve given to the car. It could also identify your voice and recognize you and your ad preferences, and those of your passengers. Finally, it could listen to your conversations and determine if it’s better to serve you a visual ad while you’re talking, or an audio ad when there’s a lull in the conversation.

Is this serving ads you normally wouldn’t be getting? If so, ok but if you’re going to be seeing ads anyway might as well have them be somewhat relevant, right? I never understand the problem with this one. Are people upset that it’s serving ads in the first place or that they are customized?

There's no saying. They patented the system that eavesdrops on you in one of your private spaces. They didn't patent how they will use the data.

I mean is that something you're ok with, having corporations eavesdrop on you and record your conversations? Do you trust them?

Are you ok with the government then obtaining any conversation you have in your car via subpoena? If you and your wife are getting a divorce, are you ok with her obtaining a copy of your conversations to look for anything that can be used against you?
These are the complaints I always hear, and if I had to answer I would say no, i'd rather not, but I also feel the issue is very overblown. Where are all these instances of the government using stuff like this? Is it commonplace? If not, there are many, many more things to worry about than this, IMO, and in a lot of cases, there is very useful technology that doesn't get used because of these overblown worries.

Yes, my Alexa is targeting ads to me in hopes of getting me to spend money. That's fine. I like my Alexa and it's many uses.
 
Ford Patents In-Car System That Eavesdrops So It Can Play You Ads

Yeah, you read the headline right. Ford has patented a system that, per the filing, would use several different sources of information to customize ad content to play in your car. One such information stream that this hypothetical system would use to determine what sort of ads to serve could be could be the voice commands you’ve given to the car. It could also identify your voice and recognize you and your ad preferences, and those of your passengers. Finally, it could listen to your conversations and determine if it’s better to serve you a visual ad while you’re talking, or an audio ad when there’s a lull in the conversation.

Is this serving ads you normally wouldn’t be getting? If so, ok but if you’re going to be seeing ads anyway might as well have them be somewhat relevant, right? I never understand the problem with this one. Are people upset that it’s serving ads in the first place or that they are customized?

There's no saying. They patented the system that eavesdrops on you in one of your private spaces. They didn't patent how they will use the data.

I mean is that something you're ok with, having corporations eavesdrop on you and record your conversations? Do you trust them?

Are you ok with the government then obtaining any conversation you have in your car via subpoena? If you and your wife are getting a divorce, are you ok with her obtaining a copy of your conversations to look for anything that can be used against you?
These are the complaints I always hear, and if I had to answer I would say no, i'd rather not, but I also feel the issue is very overblown. Where are all these instances of the government using stuff like this? Is it commonplace? If not, there are many, many more things to worry about than this, IMO, and in a lot of cases, there is very useful technology that doesn't get used because of these overblown worries.

Yes, my Alexa is targeting ads to me in hopes of getting me to spend money. That's fine. I like my Alexa and it's many uses.

Yes, this stuff happens already.

Someone died in a house in Arkansas, prosecutors subpoenaed the Alexa data from the night.

FBGs were recommending a specific VPN company to each other because their logs were subpoenaed and that company doesn't keep logs to protect the privacy of their users.

If you're interested in the topic I suggest searching on it, there's plenty of info out there. But the time to handle this stuff is now, with privacy laws, and to not just trust to the beneficence of corporate America.
 
Ford Patents In-Car System That Eavesdrops So It Can Play You Ads

Yeah, you read the headline right. Ford has patented a system that, per the filing, would use several different sources of information to customize ad content to play in your car. One such information stream that this hypothetical system would use to determine what sort of ads to serve could be could be the voice commands you’ve given to the car. It could also identify your voice and recognize you and your ad preferences, and those of your passengers. Finally, it could listen to your conversations and determine if it’s better to serve you a visual ad while you’re talking, or an audio ad when there’s a lull in the conversation.

Is this serving ads you normally wouldn’t be getting? If so, ok but if you’re going to be seeing ads anyway might as well have them be somewhat relevant, right? I never understand the problem with this one. Are people upset that it’s serving ads in the first place or that they are customized?

There's no saying. They patented the system that eavesdrops on you in one of your private spaces. They didn't patent how they will use the data.

I mean is that something you're ok with, having corporations eavesdrop on you and record your conversations? Do you trust them?

Are you ok with the government then obtaining any conversation you have in your car via subpoena? If you and your wife are getting a divorce, are you ok with her obtaining a copy of your conversations to look for anything that can be used against you?
These are the complaints I always hear, and if I had to answer I would say no, i'd rather not, but I also feel the issue is very overblown. Where are all these instances of the government using stuff like this? Is it commonplace? If not, there are many, many more things to worry about than this, IMO, and in a lot of cases, there is very useful technology that doesn't get used because of these overblown worries.

Yes, my Alexa is targeting ads to me in hopes of getting me to spend money. That's fine. I like my Alexa and it's many uses.

Yes, this stuff happens already.

Someone died in a house in Arkansas, prosecutors subpoenaed the Alexa data from the night.

FBGs were recommending a specific VPN company to each other because their logs were subpoenaed and that company doesn't keep logs to protect the privacy of their users.

If you're interested in the topic I suggest searching on it, there's plenty of info out there. But the time to handle this stuff is now, with privacy laws, and to not just trust to the beneficence of corporate America.

Oh I’ve researched. I still feel that the outrage over this stuff does not match the risk of something bad happening. I feel like companies collect data like this to sell us stuff, and that’s the most that any of us will likely face from it.

It’s not that I’m in favor of companies doing this. I just think the outrage is not proportional to the risk. Weve been hearing for years if not a decade by now of all the nefarious things that can happen from data collection like this, but there’s still only fringe examples of any of it.

In terms of how much I worry about this, for me it’s somewhere between getting hit by lightning and having a random plane part fall on me.
 
Ford Patents In-Car System That Eavesdrops So It Can Play You Ads

Yeah, you read the headline right. Ford has patented a system that, per the filing, would use several different sources of information to customize ad content to play in your car. One such information stream that this hypothetical system would use to determine what sort of ads to serve could be could be the voice commands you’ve given to the car. It could also identify your voice and recognize you and your ad preferences, and those of your passengers. Finally, it could listen to your conversations and determine if it’s better to serve you a visual ad while you’re talking, or an audio ad when there’s a lull in the conversation.

Is this serving ads you normally wouldn’t be getting? If so, ok but if you’re going to be seeing ads anyway might as well have them be somewhat relevant, right? I never understand the problem with this one. Are people upset that it’s serving ads in the first place or that they are customized?

There's no saying. They patented the system that eavesdrops on you in one of your private spaces. They didn't patent how they will use the data.

I mean is that something you're ok with, having corporations eavesdrop on you and record your conversations? Do you trust them?

Are you ok with the government then obtaining any conversation you have in your car via subpoena? If you and your wife are getting a divorce, are you ok with her obtaining a copy of your conversations to look for anything that can be used against you?
These are the complaints I always hear, and if I had to answer I would say no, i'd rather not, but I also feel the issue is very overblown. Where are all these instances of the government using stuff like this? Is it commonplace? If not, there are many, many more things to worry about than this, IMO, and in a lot of cases, there is very useful technology that doesn't get used because of these overblown worries.

Yes, my Alexa is targeting ads to me in hopes of getting me to spend money. That's fine. I like my Alexa and it's many uses.

Yes, this stuff happens already.

Someone died in a house in Arkansas, prosecutors subpoenaed the Alexa data from the night.

FBGs were recommending a specific VPN company to each other because their logs were subpoenaed and that company doesn't keep logs to protect the privacy of their users.

If you're interested in the topic I suggest searching on it, there's plenty of info out there. But the time to handle this stuff is now, with privacy laws, and to not just trust to the beneficence of corporate America.

Oh I’ve researched. I still feel that the outrage over this stuff does not match the risk of something bad happening. I feel like companies collect data like this to sell us stuff, and that’s the most that any of us will likely face from it.

It’s not that I’m in favor of companies doing this. I just think the outrage is not proportional to the risk. Weve been hearing for years if not a decade by now of all the nefarious things that can happen from data collection like this, but there’s still only fringe examples of any of it.

In terms of how much I worry about this, for me it’s somewhere between getting hit by lightning and having a random plane part fall on me.
In terms of a new car purchase, can one tell Ford (or whomever), no I don't want GPS, no telemetrics sent back to the mother ship, no voice control, nothing? I.e. can I buy a car now that isn't connected?

I think the idea being that a car is my personal space and I don't want it tracked at all. I mean, we have enough of that in our lives. On a personal side I own a Bronco Sport. Nice little car. I got a call from Ford about a recall, etc. that I need to get taken care of. The lady on the phone then noted when I brough it in for this I need an oil change anyway, which kind of freaked me out. Turns out my car had been phoning home with this stuff. I found the setting and turned it off, but, seriously, the ****ing gall to reach into my car and then call me about it.
 
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Ford Patents In-Car System That Eavesdrops So It Can Play You Ads

Yeah, you read the headline right. Ford has patented a system that, per the filing, would use several different sources of information to customize ad content to play in your car. One such information stream that this hypothetical system would use to determine what sort of ads to serve could be could be the voice commands you’ve given to the car. It could also identify your voice and recognize you and your ad preferences, and those of your passengers. Finally, it could listen to your conversations and determine if it’s better to serve you a visual ad while you’re talking, or an audio ad when there’s a lull in the conversation.

Is this serving ads you normally wouldn’t be getting? If so, ok but if you’re going to be seeing ads anyway might as well have them be somewhat relevant, right? I never understand the problem with this one. Are people upset that it’s serving ads in the first place or that they are customized?

There's no saying. They patented the system that eavesdrops on you in one of your private spaces. They didn't patent how they will use the data.

I mean is that something you're ok with, having corporations eavesdrop on you and record your conversations? Do you trust them?

Are you ok with the government then obtaining any conversation you have in your car via subpoena? If you and your wife are getting a divorce, are you ok with her obtaining a copy of your conversations to look for anything that can be used against you?
These are the complaints I always hear, and if I had to answer I would say no, i'd rather not, but I also feel the issue is very overblown. Where are all these instances of the government using stuff like this? Is it commonplace? If not, there are many, many more things to worry about than this, IMO, and in a lot of cases, there is very useful technology that doesn't get used because of these overblown worries.

Yes, my Alexa is targeting ads to me in hopes of getting me to spend money. That's fine. I like my Alexa and it's many uses.

Yes, this stuff happens already.

Someone died in a house in Arkansas, prosecutors subpoenaed the Alexa data from the night.

FBGs were recommending a specific VPN company to each other because their logs were subpoenaed and that company doesn't keep logs to protect the privacy of their users.

If you're interested in the topic I suggest searching on it, there's plenty of info out there. But the time to handle this stuff is now, with privacy laws, and to not just trust to the beneficence of corporate America.

Oh I’ve researched. I still feel that the outrage over this stuff does not match the risk of something bad happening. I feel like companies collect data like this to sell us stuff, and that’s the most that any of us will likely face from it.

It’s not that I’m in favor of companies doing this. I just think the outrage is not proportional to the risk. Weve been hearing for years if not a decade by now of all the nefarious things that can happen from data collection like this, but there’s still only fringe examples of any of it.

In terms of how much I worry about this, for me it’s somewhere between getting hit by lightning and having a random plane part fall on me.


If not worrying about companies spying on you to screw you out of money then what do you worry about?


 
There was an interesting Odd Lots this summer regarding newish pricing strategies. Corporations Learned The Maximum Amount They Can Charge For a Product

I remember learning about airline ticket pricing a couple decades ago and it was pretty fascinating - how you might have a row of 5 passengers on the same flight all paying wildly different fares for the same ride. This has spread to things like concert tickets and fast food but its much more sophisticated, with pricing strategies varying due to many different factors with the goal of having the highest possible price each individual will pay for a given product. One example is the McDonalds app on a phone. We know that someone walking into a store will pay a different price than someone ordering through the App. There's no question that having the App on your phone saves money if you're a frequent customer and use it wisely. What is maybe less-known or understood is that McDonalds (and others) use the data from your phone for much more complex pricing strategies. For one simple example, they can figure out when you get paid to price your Big Mac - its going to be a bit cheaper just before pay day and more expensive in the days after when you're flush. The app harvests a wide variety of information from your phone to build a profile they use and sell to others to understand and predict the highest price they can charge you for everyday things. McDonalds being just a generic example in this case as all Apps are doing some form of this. They may not have access to your banking records, but they can see how often and when you access your banking app, how you use Venmo, etc. and make broad and sometimes very specific conclusions about you that most people may not realize.
 
Ford Patents In-Car System That Eavesdrops So It Can Play You Ads

Yeah, you read the headline right. Ford has patented a system that, per the filing, would use several different sources of information to customize ad content to play in your car. One such information stream that this hypothetical system would use to determine what sort of ads to serve could be could be the voice commands you’ve given to the car. It could also identify your voice and recognize you and your ad preferences, and those of your passengers. Finally, it could listen to your conversations and determine if it’s better to serve you a visual ad while you’re talking, or an audio ad when there’s a lull in the conversation.

Is this serving ads you normally wouldn’t be getting? If so, ok but if you’re going to be seeing ads anyway might as well have them be somewhat relevant, right? I never understand the problem with this one. Are people upset that it’s serving ads in the first place or that they are customized?

There's no saying. They patented the system that eavesdrops on you in one of your private spaces. They didn't patent how they will use the data.

I mean is that something you're ok with, having corporations eavesdrop on you and record your conversations? Do you trust them?

Are you ok with the government then obtaining any conversation you have in your car via subpoena? If you and your wife are getting a divorce, are you ok with her obtaining a copy of your conversations to look for anything that can be used against you?
These are the complaints I always hear, and if I had to answer I would say no, i'd rather not, but I also feel the issue is very overblown. Where are all these instances of the government using stuff like this? Is it commonplace? If not, there are many, many more things to worry about than this, IMO, and in a lot of cases, there is very useful technology that doesn't get used because of these overblown worries.

Yes, my Alexa is targeting ads to me in hopes of getting me to spend money. That's fine. I like my Alexa and it's many uses.

Yes, this stuff happens already.

Someone died in a house in Arkansas, prosecutors subpoenaed the Alexa data from the night.

FBGs were recommending a specific VPN company to each other because their logs were subpoenaed and that company doesn't keep logs to protect the privacy of their users.

If you're interested in the topic I suggest searching on it, there's plenty of info out there. But the time to handle this stuff is now, with privacy laws, and to not just trust to the beneficence of corporate America.

Oh I’ve researched. I still feel that the outrage over this stuff does not match the risk of something bad happening. I feel like companies collect data like this to sell us stuff, and that’s the most that any of us will likely face from it.

It’s not that I’m in favor of companies doing this. I just think the outrage is not proportional to the risk. Weve been hearing for years if not a decade by now of all the nefarious things that can happen from data collection like this, but there’s still only fringe examples of any of it.

In terms of how much I worry about this, for me it’s somewhere between getting hit by lightning and having a random plane part fall on me.
In terms of a new car purchase, can one tell Ford (or whomever), no I don't want GPS, no telemetrics sent back to the mother ship, no voice control, nothing? I.e. can I buy a car now that isn't connected?

I think the idea being that a car is my personal space and I don't want it tracked at all. I mean, we have enough of that in our lives. On a personal side I own a Bronco Sport. Nice little car. I got a call from Ford about a recall, etc. that I need to get taken care of. The lady on the phone then noted when I brough it in for this I need an oil change anyway, which kind of freaked me out. Turns out my car had been phoning home with this stuff. I found the setting and turned it off, but, seriously, the ****ing gall to reach into my car and then call me about it.

Yeah, like I said if I had a choice, I'd opt not to have my data collected. It's just not something I really worry too much about. I know people who are so paranoid about this stuff that the amount of conveniences and technology they avoid is kind of ridiculous. For example, I know someone who drives a beat up car from the early 200s primarily because he refuses to own a car that has a screen or other gizmos that he feels is collecting his personal data. A lot of times, the paranoia doesnt match what is really happening. Not saying anyone in this thread is doing anything like that, but just in general.

I look at the example you give about the car and I see it as a positive actually. My car/dealership[ knowing when I need to take it in and giving me notifications sounds pretty convenient for me.
 

For example, I know someone who drives a beat up car from the early 200s primarily because he refuses to own a car that has a screen or other gizmos that he feels is collecting his personal data. A lot of times, the paranoia doesnt match what is really happening. Not saying anyone in this thread is doing anything like that, but just in general.

I look at the example you give about the car and I see it as a positive actually. My car/dealership[ knowing when I need to take it in and giving me notifications sounds pretty convenient for me.
That poor horse...

Anyway, on your last sentence I see it as a huge invasion of privacy. I don't want my business only able to be my business if I have to dig 4 levels deep into some menu to find the off switch. I'm not a luddite, for sure, but see absolutely no need for a connected car, connected toaster, any of the Alexas of the world, etc. A person should have some expectation of privacy and, at least with cars, we're getting to a point where you have no choice but to give away that privacy to own one.
 
Law enforcement has already started subpoenaing Ring cameras of people who weren’t even involved in the crime and combing through it for data.

That and the pricing stuff . . . if you’re not even concerned about the potentiality for abuse of this stuff, or are welcoming it, you’re either clean as hell with **** you money or you’re a dull bulb.
 
I’m holding onto my 2006 Z. It’s clean, nice, non-rusted on the West Coast, and it can’t track **** or do ****. They’ll move to outlaw it by 2035, I’m sure.
 
Not to be a Debbie Downer, but it's going to get much, much worse.

At least we've resisted the push to go to a fully digital currency. That will be the end of everything.
 
Not to be a Debbie Downer, but it's going to get much, much worse.

At least we've resisted the push to go to a fully digital currency. That will be the end of everything.
Seriously. I get so annoyed with the "digital payment only" crap. Our County Fair went cashless a couple years ago. I tend to squirrel money (cash) away for things like the fair, trips, etc. Thankfully bars and restaurants still take cash... but there are lots of eating establishments that push the credit card or electronic payment method and make it a chore to pay with cash.

I was in Vegas this past weekend and every single time I walked to the sportsbook to place bets (with cash), I was hounded by "salespeople" trying to get me to sign up for the MGM Sportsbook app. After 2-3 times being asked I started to get a little peeved. No, I don't want the app, pound sand.
 
Law enforcement has already started subpoenaing Ring cameras of people who weren’t even involved in the crime and combing through it for data.
Then people probably shouldn't have Ring cameras if they don't want this. I imagine this is laid out in the terms of service
 
Not to be a Debbie Downer, but it's going to get much, much worse.

At least we've resisted the push to go to a fully digital currency. That will be the end of everything.
Why exactly? We've been a "faith/confidence" based system since leaving the gold standard. Crypto is really no different than what we have had since the 1970s outside of form.
 
Law enforcement has already started subpoenaing Ring cameras of people who weren’t even involved in the crime and combing through it for data.
Then people probably shouldn't have Ring cameras if they don't want this. I imagine this is laid out in the terms of service
Had the cops ask to see my footage once, but I told them I let the backup video subscription lapse (which was true at the time)
 
Thankfully bars and restaurants still take cash... but there are lots of eating establishments that push the credit card or electronic payment method and make it a chore to pay with cash.
Why is paying with a card so bad? It's so much better than carrying cash around all the time. I use a card for everything and pay it off each month. It's money I would spend anyway so why not get rewards for money I would be spending no matter what. It's so much nicer than having cash.

(now not being able to go up to a betting window in Vegas with cash to place a bet is a different story. How else am I going to have the cashier laugh at my bets to my face knowing that I won't hit that 10 team parlay?)
 
Not to be a Debbie Downer, but it's going to get much, much worse.

At least we've resisted the push to go to a fully digital currency. That will be the end of everything.
Why exactly? We've been a "faith/confidence" based system since leaving the gold standard. Crypto is really no different than what we have had since the 1970s outside of form.
I could be off, but I suspect that the concern is not related to what's backing the money supply, but rather the fact that all digital currency transactions will be traceable. So if you go to buy a hamburger in the middle of nowhere, you can no longer anonymously hand the guy $20 but instead have to leave a digital footprint of where you've been. Of course, carrying a smartphone already does the same thing, but in theory you can still go without or have a burner or whatever. If there's no way to buy something without leaving a digital trail, it's another nail in the coffin of privacy.
 
Not to be a Debbie Downer, but it's going to get much, much worse.

At least we've resisted the push to go to a fully digital currency. That will be the end of everything.
Why exactly? We've been a "faith/confidence" based system since leaving the gold standard. Crypto is really no different than what we have had since the 1970s outside of form.
I could be off, but I suspect that the concern is not related to what's backing the money supply, but rather the fact that all digital currency transactions will be traceable. So if you go to buy a hamburger in the middle of nowhere, you can no longer anonymously hand the guy $20 but instead have to leave a digital footprint of where you've been. Of course, carrying a smartphone already does the same thing, but in theory you can still go without or have a burner or whatever. If there's no way to buy something without leaving a digital trail, it's another nail in the coffin of privacy.
smart phones and debit/credit cards already do this as you point out. he specifically said "digital currency" and things like bitcoin etc are not unique in this way either.
 
Thankfully bars and restaurants still take cash... but there are lots of eating establishments that push the credit card or electronic payment method and make it a chore to pay with cash.
Why is paying with a card so bad? It's so much better than carrying cash around all the time. I use a card for everything and pay it off each month. It's money I would spend anyway so why not get rewards for money I would be spending no matter what. It's so much nicer than having cash.

(now not being able to go up to a betting window in Vegas with cash to place a bet is a different story. How else am I going to have the cashier laugh at my bets to my face knowing that I won't hit that 10 team parlay?)
Just the way I like to operate. I have a side job that pays me every January, and I take a chunk of that check and keep cash on hand for trips. I have a yearly guys' trip and also go to a yearly college reunion. If I keep the funds in our bank account the money would just get spent on other unnecessary crap. Plus, and you can call me a looney conspiracy theorist but I just don't like being kept tabs on what I'm spending money on. This is the "privacy" thread. If we go completely cashless there will be no privacy in terms of our spending habits.
 
If I keep the funds in our bank account the money would just get spent on other unnecessary crap.
You can always just open up a separate account for that money and only use it for your "extra stuff". I have an account that I use like that. I am a commish of multiple leagues and I use that to put all the dues in and pay from that account. Works quite well. I also put all my "winnings" in there and use that for gambling money and other things like that. I can pay venmo from there or pay off credit cards from that account as well if need be.

I guess I get the privacy aspect of using cash over cards but I really don't care about that. If you do then it makes more sense.
 
If I keep the funds in our bank account the money would just get spent on other unnecessary crap.
You can always just open up a separate account for that money and only use it for your "extra stuff". I have an account that I use like that. I am a commish of multiple leagues and I use that to put all the dues in and pay from that account. Works quite well. I also put all my "winnings" in there and use that for gambling money and other things like that. I can pay venmo from there or pay off credit cards from that account as well if need be.

I guess I get the privacy aspect of using cash over cards but I really don't care about that. If you do then it makes more sense.
I have a little "side" account, but it's at a banking establishment without brick & mortar locations (SoFi), so it would take some finagling to ultimately get the money there. I suppose I could do that, though.

I also have PayPal (for fantasy sports winnings/payment) that I keep a balance on. I typically win enough to buy myself a few fairly unnecessary luxury items in the summer and have enough to pay for all the entry fees of my 13895153 leagues.
 
Law enforcement has already started subpoenaing Ring cameras of people who weren’t even involved in the crime and combing through it for data.
Subpoenas? Law enforcement in lots of locations have deals with Ring where they can comb through data at will, no subpoena necessary.
 
Interesting discussion. Consumers overwhelmingly report that they want personalized ads, usually somewhere between 65% (for boomers) up to 80% depending upon the poll. And yet most people don't want companies/apps tracking anything about them.

It comes down to giving up some privacy for convenience. I only pay cash as a tip (outside of a transaction, like a bellhop or valet) or to people who provide services at my house that don't invoice (pet sitters). Otherwise I'm using cards for everything, I'll give up whatever privacy involved for the convenience, the points/miles, and the fraud protection that credit cards provide. Same with the car - tell me what needs to be done, I don't have time for tracking that. My grocery list is on Alexa, I just tell it what to add whenever I think of it, and open the app when I get to the store. I have a Ring, a connected door lock, connected thermostat - all for convenience.

The dynamic pricing one is interesting. As an investor with no pension, I need companies to be innovative to drive profitability so that I can retire someday. As a consumer, sure it could end up costing me at times. More and more I hear people using incognito mode on their browser when shopping for airline tickets, for example, as it seems to provide the best pricing.
 
Consumers overwhelmingly report that they want personalized ads, usually somewhere between 65% (for boomers) up to 80% depending upon the poll
Wow, that's eye opening for me. I'm Gen X and am a hard No on personalized ads.

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised. I spent some time trying to find a dumb TV largely for this reason, but it seems like there's no market for a high quality TV that doesn't come with all of the consumer profiling.
 
Consumers overwhelmingly report that they want personalized ads, usually somewhere between 65% (for boomers) up to 80% depending upon the poll
Wow, that's eye opening for me. I'm Gen X and am a hard No on personalized ads.

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised. I spent some time trying to find a dumb TV largely for this reason, but it seems like there's no market for a high quality TV that doesn't come with all of the consumer profiling.

If I'm going to be seeing an ad anyway, it might as well be for something I need or would be interested in. I don't see the problem there. If you have an issue with your device listening to you talk about it before giving you the ad, that's a different story, one I can understand.
 
Consumers overwhelmingly report that they want personalized ads, usually somewhere between 65% (for boomers) up to 80% depending upon the poll
Wow, that's eye opening for me. I'm Gen X and am a hard No on personalized ads.

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised. I spent some time trying to find a dumb TV largely for this reason, but it seems like there's no market for a high quality TV that doesn't come with all of the consumer profiling.
I think this is one of those things that comes down to personality more than anything else. We've been talking about this sort of privacy issue for a very long time, and I understand that it really bothers other people, but it just doesn't register with me at all, and it never has. It's a lot like how I know that my employer can read my emails and track my web traffic, but that's fine with me and I almost never think about it. Nobody wants to read my emails. Likewise, I get why Amazon wants to keep tabs on what I buy, and I don't mind that my car dealer thinks that my car is due for service. That's all fine to me. Other people see it as dystopian. I get it, but it just doesn't connect.

On the other hand, I've also been operating under a model where I assumed that this information was just being collected to sell me stuff more effectively. Having observed events in a few peer countries recently, I have to admit that maybe I should have been more paranoid about all of this. So yeah, there's that.
 
Maybe I shouldn't be surprised. I spent some time trying to find a dumb TV largely for this reason, but it seems like there's no market for a high quality TV that doesn't come with all of the consumer profiling.
Every TV is a dumb TV if you don't connect it to your WiFi.
 
I think this is one of those things that comes down to personality more than anything else. We've been talking about this sort of privacy issue for a very long time, and I understand that it really bothers other people, but it just doesn't register with me at all, and it never has. It's a lot like how I know that my employer can read my emails and track my web traffic, but that's fine with me and I almost never think about it. Nobody wants to read my emails. Likewise, I get why Amazon wants to keep tabs on what I buy, and I don't mind that my car dealer thinks that my car is due for service. That's all fine to me. Other people see it as dystopian. I get it, but it just doesn't connect.
You hear enough these days that I, at least, want to control my digital broadcast. There have been plenty of cases where AI has been used to ID (and misidentify) people and gotten them arrested. The same with geofence warrants. I refuse the face scan at TSA. If you scoff at that and the like look up the OPM breach, which I was a victim of, and then think about how well the govt. protects data.

Basically, if I want you to serve me I'll let you but the surreptitious tracking is a huge invasion. My home and my car are my castles. I don't want my car tracked without my explicit permission (though I'm about as boring as it gets in my car travels). I don't want a machine listening to everything I say in my house (if you say "Allahu Akbar, let's inspect this bomb" in front of Alexa inside your house will you get a visit? I'm betting yes, because they *are* listening). In my house it's more sports and about how this politician and that politician are morons, but you get the idea - there definitely have been some dystopian first amendment curbs being put into place lately that are concerning (ministry of misinformation as the latest terrible idea). I don't really mind the shopping tracking and personalized ads thing - I can control that if I wanted, but it is convenient. Maybe that's hypocritical, but some of this stuff is pretty cool and I'll indulge where it makes sense.
 
Maybe that's hypocritical

Nothing hypocritical about divulging information to the government vs. divulging it to a corporation. If you want to divulge it to corporations but not the government you’re being perfectly consistent. As far as I know, no corporate actor has the potential to lock me in jail for twenty-plus if something goes awry and something gets “heard” over a “broadcast.”

No thank you. I’m still a “secure in his papers and effects” guy all over and nothing will change that. I am especially sympathetic to myself because I’ve seen people and former semi-colleagues with my exact politics having lockups threatened for family members for mere investigations and inquiries into malfeasant political behavior.

Enough. Stop.
 
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Not to be a Debbie Downer, but it's going to get much, much worse.

At least we've resisted the push to go to a fully digital currency. That will be the end of everything.
Why exactly? We've been a "faith/confidence" based system since leaving the gold standard. Crypto is really no different than what we have had since the 1970s outside of form.
I could be off, but I suspect that the concern is not related to what's backing the money supply, but rather the fact that all digital currency transactions will be traceable. So if you go to buy a hamburger in the middle of nowhere, you can no longer anonymously hand the guy $20 but instead have to leave a digital footprint of where you've been. Of course, carrying a smartphone already does the same thing, but in theory you can still go without or have a burner or whatever. If there's no way to buy something without leaving a digital trail, it's another nail in the coffin of privacy.
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Law enforcement has already started subpoenaing Ring cameras of people who weren’t even involved in the crime and combing through it for data.
Then people probably shouldn't have Ring cameras if they don't want this. I imagine this is laid out in the terms of service
Getting something subpoenaed is not equal to the Terms of Service by Ring. Ring isn't saying you have to turn it over to the cops, the courts are saying you do, it's not remotely close to the same thing.
 
Consumers overwhelmingly report that they want personalized ads, usually somewhere between 65% (for boomers) up to 80% depending upon the poll
Wow, that's eye opening for me. I'm Gen X and am a hard No on personalized ads.

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised. I spent some time trying to find a dumb TV largely for this reason, but it seems like there's no market for a high quality TV that doesn't come with all of the consumer profiling.
I think this is one of those things that comes down to personality more than anything else. ...
Yeah that's probably true. And I acknowledge I'm probably an outlier, but it's just all so intrusive to me. I don't want to have ads for a I product I searched for show up in my feed for the next 2 months - I'm already aware of it and will search and find it if I'm actually interested in purchasing it (or haven't purchased it already). I don't want ads for sports gambling in North Carolina because I went there for a weekend, etc. It's probably the fact that in general I just want to be left alone and the bombardment with personalized ads reminds me that I've got all of these entities building freakin' dossiers on me. Is any actually human going to study said dossier? Probably not, but it still bothers me in a similar way that knowing there's hours of videotape of me walking around my house would bother me.
 

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