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Protest at Yale Harvard football game (1 Viewer)

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stlrams

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Is this appropriate way to protest ? Curious as to thoughts of this forum relative to protest.  FYI I attended game so I have first hand account.  

 
Meh. Not too awful. News reports I read said the protesters were looking to be arrested (and by accounts it looked peaceful). 

However, I’d have been bent if the game was called at HT and ruined an Ivy League parlay. That’s unacceptable. 

 
Quint said:
Meh. Not too awful. News reports I read said the protesters were looking to be arrested (and by accounts it looked peaceful). 

However, I’d have been bent if the game was called at HT and ruined an Ivy League parlay. That’s unacceptable. 
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The game was delayed about 1 hour and almost didn’t finish due to darkness.  So wasting thousands of people’s time and almost costing Yale the game is an acceptable protest?

 
They protested for climate change but I think a few of the guys there were thinking it was to protest the cold weather they had up there for the game.  No one was harmed during the sit in, not an issue imo.  

 
stlrams said:
The game was delayed about 1 hour and almost didn’t finish due to darkness.  So wasting thousands of people’s time and almost costing Yale the game is an acceptable protest?
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I’m not a big fan of protests b/c they personally don’t do anything to sway me. I’d much prefer civil discourse. That said, protests have been a prominent tool for advocating for change in our country since the Boston tea party. They were effective in the civil rights movement. They are, in essence, very American. 
 

In that vein this protest touched on a real issue, was performed peacefully, and was done with this anticipation of arrest which is necessary for true civil disobedience. Of course people’s days were disrupted and inconvenienced - that’s the pint of a protest. 

 
Zow said:
I’m not a big fan of protests b/c they personally don’t do anything to sway me. I’d much prefer civil discourse. That said, protests have been a prominent tool for advocating for change in our country since the Boston tea party. They were effective in the civil rights movement. They are, in essence, very American. 
 

In that vein this protest touched on a real issue, was performed peacefully, and was done with this anticipation of arrest which is necessary for true civil disobedience. Of course people’s days were disrupted and inconvenienced - that’s the pint of a protest. 
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Correct...sucks to have your day messed up if you don't agree with the protest...but that is, sort of, the point.  To make people a little uncomfortable and bring attention to the issue.

If done like this, and peacefully without putting people in danger...Id say its an acceptable form of protest.

 
So I just read about this and I still dont understand what the actual protest was about...

Students are protesting that Harvard has too much money tied up in fossil fuel companies?  Not enough in clean energy companies?

I'm sorry but you can go as clean as you want but we will still need fossil fuels.... that said I agree about using clean energy also.

I just don't actually understand what this protest was :bag:

 
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sho nuff said:
Correct...sucks to have your day messed up if you don't agree with the protest...but that is, sort of, the point.  To make people a little uncomfortable and bring attention to the issue.

If done like this, and peacefully without putting people in danger...Id say its an acceptable form of protest.
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So any protest that is peaceful without putting people in danger is acceptable regardless of any intended or unintended outcomes?

 
belljr said:
So I just read about this and I still dont understand what the actual protest was about...

Students are protesting that Harvard has too much money tied up in fossil fuel companies?  Not enough in clean energy companies?

I'm sorry but you can go as clean as you want but we will still need fossil fuels.... that said I agree about using clean energy also.

I just don't actually understand what this protest was :bag:
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Yes - I believe the main point of protest was that Yale and Harvard have investments in fossil fuel companies and own debt of Puerto Rico that protesters want forgiven.

 
stlrams said:
Yes - I believe the main point of protest was that Yale and Harvard have investments in fossil fuel companies and own debt of Puerto Rico that protesters want forgiven.
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Without having read anything about this, it seems to me the Puerto Rican debt forgiveness protesters are parasitic here, glomming on to a climate-change divestment protest.  If I were a climate-change investment protester, I'd probably want the Puerto Rico debt guys to set up their own protest, rather than leeching off mine and stealing my spotlight.

 
I have to wonder if any of the student protesters felt conflicted due to the seemingly unrelated nature of the two purposes being supported by the protest.  For example, if one feels very strongly about climate change divestment, but actually supports the endowment's lawful exploitation of the high probability of a Puerto Rico debt bailout.  That person could presumably participate in the climate change chants, then go silent and temporarily put down their megaphone or sign during the Puerto Rico chants, signifying their non-support of that cause, then ramp back up when things came back to climate change. 

 
I didn’t see any polar bears on the field for the protest. Why can’t Yale install permanent lighting for the field? It’s not like they don’t have the money. 

 
stlrams said:
The game was delayed about 1 hour and almost didn’t finish due to darkness.  So wasting thousands of people’s time and almost costing Yale the game is an acceptable protest?
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If you watch some of the YouTube videos you can hear fans yelling "F-you..Get the F off the field" pretty funny.

 
Zow said:
I’m not a big fan of protests b/c they personally don’t do anything to sway me. I’d much prefer civil discourse. That said, protests have been a prominent tool for advocating for change in our country since the Boston tea party. They were effective in the civil rights movement. They are, in essence, very American. 
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Big agreement with the bolded.

Maybe it's more the setting than it is the method ... but we, as a society, have now "seen it all". 1960s-style protests qua protests no longer shock like they used to. Wider society notes that a subset of people are upset about some issue or another, that subset's objection is (probably not really) noted by wider society, and then wider society goes on to forget about the protesters' issues. Rinse, repeat.

 
sho nuff said:
Correct...sucks to have your day messed up if you don't agree with the protest...but that is, sort of, the point.  To make people a little uncomfortable and bring attention to the issue.

If done like this, and peacefully without putting people in danger...Id say its an acceptable form of protest.
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If I was not at the game it is acceptable.  If I was attending the game it would piss me off. 

 
I think you have to know your audience and you have to know what the outcome of your protest will be.  

I think interrupting a football game isn't going to win over any people to your side.  It might actually make people mad.  At you.  It's like when people would protest things by going onto the highway and shutting down traffic.  Making people sit in traffic, late to work, and/or putting their job in jeopardy isn't going to win over many people.  

I'm all for peaceful protests (even though I think they're useless most of the times), but I think in cases like this, you're probably doing more harm than good for your side.

 
TheIronSheik said:
I think you have to know your audience and you have to know what the outcome of your protest will be.  

I think interrupting a football game isn't going to win over any people to your side.  It might actually make people mad.  At you.  It's like when people would protest things by going onto the highway and shutting down traffic.  Making people sit in traffic, late to work, and/or putting their job in jeopardy isn't going to win over many people.  

I'm all for peaceful protests (even though I think they're useless most of the times), but I think in cases like this, you're probably doing more harm than good for your side.
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Agree.

When I think of the classic civil disobedience encouraged by MLK, the two I think of are the bus protests, and the diner counter protests.  In both of those situations, the people they are protesting against are the ones being affected directly by the protest.

I have to believe that in todays 24/7 news cycle where every news outlet is desperate for stories, if you conducted your protest in a similarly targeted manner, with a tipoff to some news outlet, you can affect the people you want as well as get your story out to potentially sympathic ears, all while not risking pissing people off.

 
Zow said:
I’m not a big fan of protests b/c they personally don’t do anything to sway me. I’d much prefer civil discourse. That said, protests have been a prominent tool for advocating for change in our country since the Boston tea party. They were effective in the civil rights movement. They are, in essence, very American. 
 

In that vein this protest touched on a real issue, was performed peacefully, and was done with this anticipation of arrest which is necessary for true civil disobedience. Of course people’s days were disrupted and inconvenienced - that’s the pint of a protest. 
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And was likely staged to generate further, and hopefully civil, discourse. 

I'm sure there are plenty of folk up in arms that some privileged kids chose to use their collective voices for something other than cheering a long-standing rivalry. Ooooh..makes them furious.

 
stlrams said:
Don't agree as it delayed the game and fans by roughly 1 hour.  A respectful way to protest would be standing on the street corner.
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A more respectful way...sure.  But protest isn't always about being respectful...it isn't supposed to make someone feel comfortable and just be able to easily ignore it and bring almost zero attention to something.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
I have to wonder if any of the student protesters felt conflicted due to the seemingly unrelated nature of the two purposes being supported by the protest.  For example, if one feels very strongly about climate change divestment, but actually supports the endowment's lawful exploitation of the high probability of a Puerto Rico debt bailout.  That person could presumably participate in the climate change chants, then go silent and temporarily put down their megaphone or sign during the Puerto Rico chants, signifying their non-support of that cause, then ramp back up when things came back to climate change. 
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My daughter attended the protest of a white nationalist group using campus facilities.  She and her friends left when others tried piggy-backing protesting the police who were there to keep the peace.

 
TheIronSheik said:
I think you have to know your audience and you have to know what the outcome of your protest will be.  

I think interrupting a football game isn't going to win over any people to your side.  It might actually make people mad.  At you.  It's like when people would protest things by going onto the highway and shutting down traffic.  Making people sit in traffic, late to work, and/or putting their job in jeopardy isn't going to win over many people.  

I'm all for peaceful protests (even though I think they're useless most of the times), but I think in cases like this, you're probably doing more harm than good for your side.
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It might if it means no more protests.   Some people don't give a crap one way or the other so if they get those people on their side just so that the protests will end, that's a win as far as the protesters are concerned.  

 
CletiusMaximus said:
 If I were a climate-change investment protester, I'd probably want the Puerto Rico debt guys to set up their own protest, rather than leeching off mine and stealing my spotlight.
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I think they should have put the climate change protesters and the Puerto Rico debt protesters in helmets and football pads and the winner got "credit" for all the accomplishments of the protests. Meh, probably would have been AT LEAST as entertaining as watching Harvard and Yale play against one another. 

The only real "losers" in all of this were the people that go to a Yale/Harvard game for entertainment. I feel almost as bad for those people as I do the poor "victims" of the Fyre festival. A lot of Mercedes/BMW drivers with frowny faces that didn't get entertained. The horror. Maybe there will be some rose-gold colored wristbands that we can wear for them in support.

 
sho nuff said:
A more respectful way...sure.  But protest isn't always about being respectful...it isn't supposed to make someone feel comfortable and just be able to easily ignore it and bring almost zero attention to something.
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But you have to make the right people feel uncomfortable.  

 
NutterButter said:
It might if it means no more protests.   Some people don't give a crap one way or the other so if they get those people on their side just so that the protests will end, that's a win as far as the protesters are concerned.  
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I can't imagine one person caught in traffic would be like, "These people are pissing me off.  Making me late for work.  You know what?  I'm going to join them, that way the protests stop."

 
sho nuff said:
A more respectful way...sure.  But protest isn't always about being respectful...it isn't supposed to make someone feel comfortable and just be able to easily ignore it and bring almost zero attention to something.
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Last time I checked, I don't have anything to do with the investments of Harvard or Yale along with probably all the fans.  So for me personally it turned me off to their message which I'm sure wasn't their intent thus the protest was a failure.    

 
stlrams said:
Yale has over 30.0 Billion in their endowment (why any university need this much money??)  so they can afford lights.. 
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I think Yale shows that they are smart enough to handle their money by not wasting it on lights for their football stadium.

 
Harvard doesn't have lights either and they have $40B.  :lol:    What is this a race to see which school can reach $100B first?

 
NutterButter said:
It might if it means no more protests.   Some people don't give a crap one way or the other so if they get those people on their side just so that the protests will end, that's a win as far as the protesters are concerned.  
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Yes, me getting stuff in traffic behind a "Black Lives Matter" march is going to wake up my eyes to race relations in this country, which is of course a problem in my wheelhouse I am able to fix.

 
Guy 1: I think I made a pretty good progress in bringing democracy to China.

Guy 2: Why's that?

Guy 1: I made the kids in that day care feel very uncomfortable with my protest.

Guy 2: Nice.  We all know that making people uncomfortable is what gets results.

Guy 1 and Guy 2 high five and then flip the dreads out of their face.  Oh yeah, did I mention they are both white guys?

 
Bull Dozier said:
Yes, me getting stuff in traffic behind a "Black Lives Matter" march is going to wake up my eyes to race relations in this country, which is of course a problem in my wheelhouse I am able to fix.
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I'm putting you and Sheik down on the list for some more protests targeted at your commute route.   Every man has his breaking point.  Either you'll vote for us or run us down meaning at the very least you won't be voting for the opposition.  

 
Of all the places to protest...at a Harvard-Yale football game.  Global impact outside of those two campuses...zip.

 
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