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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
If you really want to hurt them, take away the guy who dots the "I".
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Death Bytes
Footballguy
He killed Tressel's career, and turned the OSU football program into Purdue.
If this proves true, then the program is probably f**ked. These are some pretty serious allegations and are going to be investigated by the NCAA. Could be tough to actually prove considering it sounds like most of the transactions were cash and the guy who was giving the cash is not yet cooperating with the NCAA or investigators. Right now the NCAA has a lead, which could be a strong one, and Pryor has bailed and jumped ship from the program, likely due to this situation. Pryor is not required to speak with the NCAA now that he is no longer a student athlete though. He does not have to cooperate with any investigation going forward, so that will make the NCAA's job much harder, especially in digging into these new allegations. In the Reggie Bush situation, the guy who was giving the money was the guy who was threatening to go public and very open to cooperate. If that happens in this case, the program is screwed.
The most important sentence in that article. Kids will be kids. But the grown ups should know better.
The Commish
Footballguy
You should probably read the article Clayton posted
If he was being paid via check and was dumb enough to put it in his own account, that's pretty much it.
The Commish
Footballguy
With pictures added'The Commish said:You should probably read the article Clayton posted'Spiderman said:
ClownCausedChaos
I ain't got time to bleed
Did he really write "2010 Rose Bowl MVP" under his signature on that helmet? What a jag.With pictures added'The Commish said:You should probably read the article Clayton posted'Spiderman said:
BigJohn
Footballguy
Was he not the MVP of that game?Did he really write "2010 Rose Bowl MVP" under his signature on that helmet? What a jag.With pictures added'The Commish said:You should probably read the article Clayton posted'Spiderman said:
ClownCausedChaos
I ain't got time to bleed
I was once recognized at work for going above and beyond. I don't write it under my name, though.
BigJohn
Footballguy
So what. So, are you saying that all inscribed autos are stupid? Or, just Pryor's?
ClownCausedChaos
I ain't got time to bleed
Just Pryor's.And stop bringing everythign back around to his autos.
MikeIke
Footballguy
Maybe that's the helmet he actually wore in the 2010 Rose bowl? If so, I'd say it's pretty appropriate. If not, well, we've already been shown that yes, he's a tool.
ClownCausedChaos
I ain't got time to bleed
I thouht about that too, and that may have been acceptable, but if you lookclosely, the packaging says "Riddell Mini-Helmet".
MikeIke
Footballguy
ClownCausedChaos
I ain't got time to bleed
Unless he's secretly that dude from Beetlejuice.Didn't look that closely. You win.
The Commish
Footballguy
Can't disagree here.Pryor's a doosh. There's no arguing that. But inscribing a helmet with '2010 Rose Bowl MVP' is way down the list of reasons why. Maybe it was right after the game. It would carry a lot more weight if the Rose Bowl was fresh on people's minds.
ClownCausedChaos
I ain't got time to bleed
You seem like a good guy. I guess we just have differing opinions on the matter. Your point is correct, though, in that we don't know the circumstances. Hell, maybe the guy offered him an extra five grand to add that....
beer 30
Footballguy
Pryor's lawyer on CBus radio right now, will post an update if anything comes of it.
Gist of it:
Pryor knows Talbot from being a photographer on the sidelines, nothing more.
Larry James (lawyer) would be absolutely shocked if the allegations of checks for memorabilia proves to be true.
James knows Talbot and said he absolutely doesn’t have the wherewithal to support the allegations that have been levied against Pryor.
Pryor hasn’t spoken with the NCAA recently and won’t going forward because he doesn’t have to, he is not a student athlete any longer.
Pryor is set in his position that he will be a QB in the NFL.
Doesn’t know who the outside source is who is making the allegations about Pryor and will not persue a lawsuit against that individual.
Gist of it:
Pryor knows Talbot from being a photographer on the sidelines, nothing more.
Larry James (lawyer) would be absolutely shocked if the allegations of checks for memorabilia proves to be true.
James knows Talbot and said he absolutely doesn’t have the wherewithal to support the allegations that have been levied against Pryor.
Pryor hasn’t spoken with the NCAA recently and won’t going forward because he doesn’t have to, he is not a student athlete any longer.
Pryor is set in his position that he will be a QB in the NFL.
Doesn’t know who the outside source is who is making the allegations about Pryor and will not persue a lawsuit against that individual.
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Couple things here.1. The friend said he saw Pryor actually receiving cash on these transactions under the table. If he was receiving cash as far back as 2008-2009, in the amounts of thousands of dollars, then why all of a sudden switch to checks? This guy has reportedly been doing this for quite some time. What person asks for a check when cash is readily available? Why is nobody outside of whoever this is reporting that the NCAA has checks with this guy's name on it being deposited? What source does this guy have in the NCAA that the big boys don't have?With pictures added'The Commish said:You should probably read the article Clayton posted'Spiderman said:
2. On this guy's website, he has pictures of players signing autographed material at sanctioned OSU events and claiming this is evidence of a coverup. Is he claiming that OSU was setting up events, complete with tables and chairs, coaching staffs and team photographers, and open to the general media that OSU invited, and at the same time OSU allowing these players, including Tressel, to be paid by these people? Just because you have a picture of a player signing something doesn't prove he was being paid stacks of cash for it. If there is evidence of a paper trail of checks being deposited into Pryor's account, then OSU is screwed.
3. Why would Pryor comply with this investigation? The website claims that players sign a form that allows the NCAA to access their account at any point in time. Pryor would be aware of this if it were true. So why wouldn't he just go to another bank, open up an account as an adult that the NCAA didn't know about, and deposit his checks into that account? If the NCAA just showed up at the new bank declaring they should have access to his account, the Bank would tell them to get screwed.
4. News of this didn't even come to light until Pryor's unnamed buddy went public on Outside the Lines. Outside the Lines claims their evidence to prove the validity of this guy's story is "we've looked into some of the allegations and have determined they are verified". When asked what specifically he was referring to, he said that there are dozens of items that are available on Ebay and other venues that are signed by Pryor. This is the proof? OSU actually sanctions signing events where players actually show up in their uniforms and sign things for people. That's been going on for 30 years. Where's the proof that they were actually taking cash?
5. There is word out of OSU that Pryor's eligibility was about to be turned to "ineligible" for the season, but no word on if Fickell decided he had enough with him or if this was based on any new information. That will have to be determined over time. Pryor balked at the CFL's low ball offer and his attorney said he's entering the supplemental for sure. Grading out 5th to 7th Round by most experts. Bottom line is that people are saying he's a project with major character issues, a ton of physical talent, but a long way to go before he's an NFL QB.
6. It should be noted that OSU self reported these violations while USC denied them up until the last minute. That alone makes USC's worse than OSU's. Add to that the fact that USC's indescretions that were proven fact amounted to over $300,000. Not rumors, speculation, innuendo, or questionable sources, but actual cold, hard fact. So far, OSU has only actually been proven to have violated a questionable NCAA rule for trading tattoos for their own personal items (rings, gold pants, etc.) and Tressel for trying to cover that up (a major violation). If more comes out, no problem. But right now, saying that OSU is worse than USC's issues is a stretch unless this guy has inside info that the rest of the country doesn't into the NCAA investigation.
As the facts come out, we'll know more. If the facts prove these stories true, OSU is f**ked. But right now, almost every single one of these allegations is this guy's story vs. this guy's story, believe what you want. Even Maurice Clarett came out and said that the school does not sanction any of this crap and that it is ultimately up to a player to make the decision for himself, echoing the words of Bob Stoops. So far in the past couple years, program after program is getting thrown out there for this stuff. USC, Boise State, Oregon, OSU, Florida State, Miami, Michigan, Wisconsin, Auburn, LSU, etc. Next up is Texas now that Colt McCoy's wife just told a media outlet that she witnessed players taking things from agents at Texas while Colt was going there.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Hoss, there's so much smoke around that program the 'Shoe might as well be on fire as well as several cars along Route 315.But keep up the good fight.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Isn't this SOP? I know I have been signing everything like this so far this year:XDid he really write "2010 Rose Bowl MVP" under his signature on that helmet? What a jag.With pictures added'The Commish said:You should probably read the article Clayton posted'Spiderman said:
2010 Urban Dictionary League Super Bowl Champion
Sheriff66
Footballguy
BigJohn
Footballguy
derek245583
Footballguy
Probably gonna need to scribble that "2010 Rose Bowl MVP" out when it gets stricken from the record books
Hoss, there's so much smoke around that program the 'Shoe might as well be on fire as well as several cars along Route 315.But keep up the good fight.
Don't let go of that rope, Spiderman!
The Commish
Footballguy
I didn't read this whole thing and I don't plan to. This is what I know. There are checks going into Pryor's account from this "collector" guy. Said guy has pages on Facebook and Ebay (well, not now he doesn't) that has signed memorabilia from Pryor. You are well within your right to say "that doesn't prove that the checks Pryor got from the "collector" were for his autographs". I just think it's incredibly naive. Rationalize how you see fit to make yourself feel better, but this is more than enough for the NCAA to come down on him, and maybe even the school. I'll say one last time that the primary reason that the NCAA is so interested is because of the lying by Tressel. I am pretty confident that he knew that some of this stuff was going on, but I don't for a second believe he knew the magnitude. The infractions are the least of OSUs problems...it's the lying they'll get in big trouble over.Couple things here.1. The friend said he saw Pryor actually receiving cash on these transactions under the table. If he was receiving cash as far back as 2008-2009, in the amounts of thousands of dollars, then why all of a sudden switch to checks? This guy has reportedly been doing this for quite some time. What person asks for a check when cash is readily available? Why is nobody outside of whoever this is reporting that the NCAA has checks with this guy's name on it being deposited? What source does this guy have in the NCAA that the big boys don't have?With pictures added'The Commish said:You should probably read the article Clayton posted'Spiderman said:
2. On this guy's website, he has pictures of players signing autographed material at sanctioned OSU events and claiming this is evidence of a coverup. Is he claiming that OSU was setting up events, complete with tables and chairs, coaching staffs and team photographers, and open to the general media that OSU invited, and at the same time OSU allowing these players, including Tressel, to be paid by these people? Just because you have a picture of a player signing something doesn't prove he was being paid stacks of cash for it. If there is evidence of a paper trail of checks being deposited into Pryor's account, then OSU is screwed.
3. Why would Pryor comply with this investigation? The website claims that players sign a form that allows the NCAA to access their account at any point in time. Pryor would be aware of this if it were true. So why wouldn't he just go to another bank, open up an account as an adult that the NCAA didn't know about, and deposit his checks into that account? If the NCAA just showed up at the new bank declaring they should have access to his account, the Bank would tell them to get screwed.
4. News of this didn't even come to light until Pryor's unnamed buddy went public on Outside the Lines. Outside the Lines claims their evidence to prove the validity of this guy's story is "we've looked into some of the allegations and have determined they are verified". When asked what specifically he was referring to, he said that there are dozens of items that are available on Ebay and other venues that are signed by Pryor. This is the proof? OSU actually sanctions signing events where players actually show up in their uniforms and sign things for people. That's been going on for 30 years. Where's the proof that they were actually taking cash?
5. There is word out of OSU that Pryor's eligibility was about to be turned to "ineligible" for the season, but no word on if Fickell decided he had enough with him or if this was based on any new information. That will have to be determined over time. Pryor balked at the CFL's low ball offer and his attorney said he's entering the supplemental for sure. Grading out 5th to 7th Round by most experts. Bottom line is that people are saying he's a project with major character issues, a ton of physical talent, but a long way to go before he's an NFL QB.
6. It should be noted that OSU self reported these violations while USC denied them up until the last minute. That alone makes USC's worse than OSU's. Add to that the fact that USC's indescretions that were proven fact amounted to over $300,000. Not rumors, speculation, innuendo, or questionable sources, but actual cold, hard fact. So far, OSU has only actually been proven to have violated a questionable NCAA rule for trading tattoos for their own personal items (rings, gold pants, etc.) and Tressel for trying to cover that up (a major violation). If more comes out, no problem. But right now, saying that OSU is worse than USC's issues is a stretch unless this guy has inside info that the rest of the country doesn't into the NCAA investigation.
As the facts come out, we'll know more. If the facts prove these stories true, OSU is f**ked. But right now, almost every single one of these allegations is this guy's story vs. this guy's story, believe what you want. Even Maurice Clarett came out and said that the school does not sanction any of this crap and that it is ultimately up to a player to make the decision for himself, echoing the words of Bob Stoops. So far in the past couple years, program after program is getting thrown out there for this stuff. USC, Boise State, Oregon, OSU, Florida State, Miami, Michigan, Wisconsin, Auburn, LSU, etc. Next up is Texas now that Colt McCoy's wife just told a media outlet that she witnessed players taking things from agents at Texas while Colt was going there.
beer 30
Footballguy
As I mentioned above, Pryor's lawyer has said they haven't seen them if they do exist. I would expect that from them. If they do exist I would imagine that they would have been produced by now, it would be a fairly easy thing to confirm with the bank, right?Forgive me if I missed something, but have the checks actually been produced? I know it's been said a lot, so it gets accepted as truth. But, maybe I missed where the actual checks have been found.'The Commish said:
The Commish
Footballguy
Yes sorry.....I don't think the NCAA has produced images of the checks. Was just going by what folks said the NCAA had found. I haven't seen an image of a single check though.As I mentioned above, Pryor's lawyer has said they haven't seen them if they do exist. I would expect that from them. If they do exist I would imagine that they would have been produced by now, it would be a fairly easy thing to confirm with the bank, right?Forgive me if I missed something, but have the checks actually been produced? I know it's been said a lot, so it gets accepted as truth. But, maybe I missed where the actual checks have been found.'The Commish said:
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Link to SI
News on OSU:
Ohio State drops review of players' car purchases
Ohio State University on Tuesday dropped its review of car purchases by football players and family members after two separate investigations found dealerships made money on almost all of the sales.
The university made its decision in light of a report by the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles and a separate review by the Ohio Independent Automobile Dealers Association.
"We have seen no evidence that would lead us to believe that Ohio State student athletes violated any policies when purchasing used cars," said university spokesman Jim Lynch.
The reviews were launched after questions about players' car purchases arose in the wake of a scandal in which some players received cash and tattoos for autographs, championship rings and equipment.
In a 65-page report issued Tuesday, the state BMV said two Columbus-area dealerships made money on 24 of 25 sales made to players and family members.
The BMV, however, did not interview Ohio State players or officials and did not examine records of financial transactions that players file with the university's athletic compliance office. The report also did not address whether players received discounts not available to the public. Such a discount could be an NCAA violation.
In its report, the BMV said the certificates of titles for 25 vehicle sales by Jack Maxton Chevrolet and Auto Direct to Ohio State players and their families accurately reflected the vehicles' sales prices.
According to the report, Auto Direct made money on the 10 vehicles it sold to players and their families and Jack Maxton made money on 14 of 15 sales; one vehicle was sold at a loss because it had been on the lot longer than 150 days.
A BMV investigator found vehicles bought at Auto Direct were sold for an average of $2,000 over their wholesale purchase prices, the report said.
Auto Direct owner Jason Goss told an investigator "he is not in the business to sell vehicles at a loss and has never discounted the price of vehicle in lieu of sports memorabilia or anything related to O.S.U. athletics."
The BMV investigation found no evidence that tickets and/or sports memorabilia were included in the sales.
"The deals that I did for Ohio State student-athletes were no different than any of the other 10,000-plus deals that I've done for all my other customers," said Aaron Kniffin, the salesman who sold most of the vehicles at both dealerships, in a May 10 affidavit.
Kniffin said any sales involving Ohio State players were forwarded to the general manager, who contacted Ohio State's compliance office.
The review by the independent auto dealers association of Auto Direct sales found no evidence of improper titling or sales tax calculations and said the paperwork on all sales complied with state and federal laws.
All vehicles were sold at fair market value and profit margins were consistent with the company's average profit per unit and the national average for used car dealers, James Mitchell, OIADA executive director, said in a May 18 letter to Goss released Tuesday by Ohio State.
There "was no preferential treatment," Mitchell wrote.
Ohio State President Gordon Gee said Tuesday the BMV's findings weren't surprising.
"The university has a very strong compliance system," he said. "We have always tried to make certain that we are on solid ground on these issues."
Gee added: "That doesn't mean to say we're not going to be surprised once in a while."
A lawyer for former Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor said the BMV report confirms Pryor never received special treatment in his dealings with Auto Direct, which included a repair on one of Pryor's cars and a $11,435 purchase of a 2007 Nissan by Pryor's mother.
"There has been no testimony from any credible source that any OSU Student Athlete received special benefits beyond those that any customer received in having their car repaired or in considering the purchase of a vehicle," attorney Larry James wrote in a memo Tuesday to Doug Archie, Ohio State's athletics compliance director.
Pryor was one of five players suspended for the first five games of the 2011 season for taking money and tattoos from local tattoo-parlor owner Edward Rife, who signed an agreement in May to plead guilty to federal drug trafficking and money-laundering charges.
Pryor announced earlier this month he wouldn't return for his senior year. He is now aiming to be selected in the NFL's supplemental draft this summer.
The BMV report also addressed what it called "persistent allegations" that Ohio State athletes and coaches have been allowed to drive dealer-owned cars using dealer license plates.
That practice is not illegal and is allowed under BMV rules, the agency said.
"On the contrary, the statute that governs the use of dealer-plated vehicles by third parties expressly permits dealers to allow any member of the public to operate dealer-owned vehicles," the agency said in its report.
In a May 12 interview with the Ohio Inspector General, Kniffin said Jeff Mauk, owner of Jack Maxton Chevrolet, received tickets from Ohio State coaches for giving them cars to drive. Kniffin said that was a common practice, according to the interview included in the BMV report.
Messages were left for Mauk and Goss seeking comment.
News on OSU:
Ohio State drops review of players' car purchases
Ohio State University on Tuesday dropped its review of car purchases by football players and family members after two separate investigations found dealerships made money on almost all of the sales.
The university made its decision in light of a report by the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles and a separate review by the Ohio Independent Automobile Dealers Association.
"We have seen no evidence that would lead us to believe that Ohio State student athletes violated any policies when purchasing used cars," said university spokesman Jim Lynch.
The reviews were launched after questions about players' car purchases arose in the wake of a scandal in which some players received cash and tattoos for autographs, championship rings and equipment.
In a 65-page report issued Tuesday, the state BMV said two Columbus-area dealerships made money on 24 of 25 sales made to players and family members.
The BMV, however, did not interview Ohio State players or officials and did not examine records of financial transactions that players file with the university's athletic compliance office. The report also did not address whether players received discounts not available to the public. Such a discount could be an NCAA violation.
In its report, the BMV said the certificates of titles for 25 vehicle sales by Jack Maxton Chevrolet and Auto Direct to Ohio State players and their families accurately reflected the vehicles' sales prices.
According to the report, Auto Direct made money on the 10 vehicles it sold to players and their families and Jack Maxton made money on 14 of 15 sales; one vehicle was sold at a loss because it had been on the lot longer than 150 days.
A BMV investigator found vehicles bought at Auto Direct were sold for an average of $2,000 over their wholesale purchase prices, the report said.
Auto Direct owner Jason Goss told an investigator "he is not in the business to sell vehicles at a loss and has never discounted the price of vehicle in lieu of sports memorabilia or anything related to O.S.U. athletics."
The BMV investigation found no evidence that tickets and/or sports memorabilia were included in the sales.
"The deals that I did for Ohio State student-athletes were no different than any of the other 10,000-plus deals that I've done for all my other customers," said Aaron Kniffin, the salesman who sold most of the vehicles at both dealerships, in a May 10 affidavit.
Kniffin said any sales involving Ohio State players were forwarded to the general manager, who contacted Ohio State's compliance office.
The review by the independent auto dealers association of Auto Direct sales found no evidence of improper titling or sales tax calculations and said the paperwork on all sales complied with state and federal laws.
All vehicles were sold at fair market value and profit margins were consistent with the company's average profit per unit and the national average for used car dealers, James Mitchell, OIADA executive director, said in a May 18 letter to Goss released Tuesday by Ohio State.
There "was no preferential treatment," Mitchell wrote.
Ohio State President Gordon Gee said Tuesday the BMV's findings weren't surprising.
"The university has a very strong compliance system," he said. "We have always tried to make certain that we are on solid ground on these issues."
Gee added: "That doesn't mean to say we're not going to be surprised once in a while."
A lawyer for former Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor said the BMV report confirms Pryor never received special treatment in his dealings with Auto Direct, which included a repair on one of Pryor's cars and a $11,435 purchase of a 2007 Nissan by Pryor's mother.
"There has been no testimony from any credible source that any OSU Student Athlete received special benefits beyond those that any customer received in having their car repaired or in considering the purchase of a vehicle," attorney Larry James wrote in a memo Tuesday to Doug Archie, Ohio State's athletics compliance director.
Pryor was one of five players suspended for the first five games of the 2011 season for taking money and tattoos from local tattoo-parlor owner Edward Rife, who signed an agreement in May to plead guilty to federal drug trafficking and money-laundering charges.
Pryor announced earlier this month he wouldn't return for his senior year. He is now aiming to be selected in the NFL's supplemental draft this summer.
The BMV report also addressed what it called "persistent allegations" that Ohio State athletes and coaches have been allowed to drive dealer-owned cars using dealer license plates.
That practice is not illegal and is allowed under BMV rules, the agency said.
"On the contrary, the statute that governs the use of dealer-plated vehicles by third parties expressly permits dealers to allow any member of the public to operate dealer-owned vehicles," the agency said in its report.
In a May 12 interview with the Ohio Inspector General, Kniffin said Jeff Mauk, owner of Jack Maxton Chevrolet, received tickets from Ohio State coaches for giving them cars to drive. Kniffin said that was a common practice, according to the interview included in the BMV report.
Messages were left for Mauk and Goss seeking comment.
1) ESPN reported that Thaddeus Gibson paid $0 for his car. It was false.
2) ESPN reported Pryor was driving a brand new $30K sports car and wasn't on the Title, all of which proved false.
3) ESPN (and SI) reported that 22 additional players were involved in Tattoogate. Most of them have been cleared and some don't even have tattoos.
4) ESPN reported likely violations pertaining to the 50 car sales. All have been cleared by the BMV in Ohio.
5) ESPN is now reporting that Pryor took $20-40K in money from a memorabilia dealer. Their only source is some kid who remains blacked out and admits that he hates Pryor for dumping him as a friend while they were in College together. Credible? Doesn't seem to matter to ESPN.
2) ESPN reported Pryor was driving a brand new $30K sports car and wasn't on the Title, all of which proved false.
3) ESPN (and SI) reported that 22 additional players were involved in Tattoogate. Most of them have been cleared and some don't even have tattoos.
4) ESPN reported likely violations pertaining to the 50 car sales. All have been cleared by the BMV in Ohio.
5) ESPN is now reporting that Pryor took $20-40K in money from a memorabilia dealer. Their only source is some kid who remains blacked out and admits that he hates Pryor for dumping him as a friend while they were in College together. Credible? Doesn't seem to matter to ESPN.
The Commish
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
wazoo11
Footballguy
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
AWESOME
The Commish
Footballguy
When he quit on his own, I wondered how the supplemental draft was even an option. I didn't think it was for that.
beer 30
Footballguy
Because it ####s him over one more time, ####### #######
