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[The Commish]

Terrell better get used to hearing

 

[Spiderman]

Compliance Office Paying for Car Repairs?

Interesting…Except for two things:

1. Here is an article from 2008 showing that the fund stems from a legal settlement against the NCAA and that the schools are allowed to determine what use fits within the guidelines of the fund:

USAToday LInk

All applications for the fund, including this one, are approved by the school and then submitted to the NCAA, so they would be well aware of this distribution since receipts for the car repair were also submitted to the NCAA.

2. Also, per NCAA guidelines, there are two spots where the administration of this fund can be used for car repairs. The first one is Section 1i: Cost of clothing and other essential expenses (not entertainment). If the school determined that a car repair was an "essential expense", which is their determination to make according to the NCAA's rules, then the car repair is fine. The second one is Section 4b and 4c: Additional Trips Home and Emergency Travel. Either of these can also encompass the car repair according to the school's determination. According to the previously mentioned court settlement, this is an issue where free discretion was handed to the NCAA and the schools to readminister these funds back to the players directly.

And again, the NCAA received the same information on the disbursement that this 10TV newsman received, since it is an application for funds administered thru the NCAA by the school. In other words, they know about it since they already signed off on it.

But that isn't sensational enough to put in an article.

 

[The Commish]

Compliance Office Paying for Car Repairs?

Interesting…Except for two things:

1. Here is an article from 2008 showing that the fund stems from a legal settlement against the NCAA and that the schools are allowed to determine what use fits within the guidelines of the fund:

USAToday LInk

All applications for the fund, including this one, are approved by the school and then submitted to the NCAA, so they would be well aware of this distribution since receipts for the car repair were also submitted to the NCAA.

2. Also, per NCAA guidelines, there are two spots where the administration of this fund can be used for car repairs. The first one is Section 1i: Cost of clothing and other essential expenses (not entertainment). If the school determined that a car repair was an "essential expense", which is their determination to make according to the NCAA's rules, then the car repair is fine. The second one is Section 4b and 4c: Additional Trips Home and Emergency Travel. Either of these can also encompass the car repair according to the school's determination. According to the previously mentioned court settlement, this is an issue where free discretion was handed to the NCAA and the schools to readminister these funds back to the players directly.

And again, the NCAA received the same information on the disbursement that this 10TV newsman received, since it is an application for funds administered thru the NCAA by the school. In other words, they know about it since they already signed off on it.

But that isn't sensational enough to put in an article.

Just wondering...have you read the guidelines for the SAOF? If not, here's a summary.Examples of what the fund is suppose to be used for:

Educational Expenses and Fees

ƒ Summer School.

ƒ Fifth or Sixth Year Aid.

ƒ Postgraduate Scholarship.

ƒ Postgraduate or Internship Fees.

ƒ International Student Fees and Taxes.

ƒ Graduate School Exam Fees.

ƒ Professional Program Testing.

ƒ Expendable Supplies.

ƒ Educational Supplies (e.g. laptop computers, cameras).

ƒ Other Educational expenses OR Additional SASAF Funding for Academic Course

Supplies.

Health and Safety Expenses

ƒ Insurance Premiums for Student-Athletes.

ƒ Supplemental Insurance.

ƒ Medical Expenses for Student-Athletes (not covered by another insurance program for

student-athletes not eligible for SAF). SAOF

ƒDental/Vision Expenses for Student-Athletes (not covered by another insurance program

for student-athletes not eligible for SAF).

ƒ Medical Expenses for Student-Athletes’ Spouses/Dependents.

ƒ Other Health and Safety Expenses OR Supplemental SASAF Funding for Medical and

Dental Expenses.

Personal or Family Expenses

ƒ Clothing Allowance or Enhancement of Clothing Allowance from Special Assistance

Fund.

ƒ Additional Student-Athlete Travel Home.

ƒ Emergency Travel for Student-Athletes, Spouses and/or Dependents.

ƒ Emergency Expenses for Student-Athletes, Spouses and/or Dependents.

ƒ Travel Expenses for Family Members to be present as a Student-Athlete is honored.

ƒ Travel Expenses for Team Members being honored by Governmental Body.

ƒ Other Personal/Family Expenses OR Supplemental SASAF Funding for Clothing and

Essential Expenses or Student-Athlete & Family Emergency Expenditures.

Institutional Academic or Programming Enhancements

ƒ Academic Achievement or Graduation Awards.

ƒ Academic Support Services.

ƒ Other Academic or Programming Expenses.

There's a theme here, agreed? Do you believe a random car repair fits that theme?

 

[xulf]

Do you know its random?

 

[CrossEyed]

I see tOSU is trying to do it's part to help Terrell skirt the rules. Shocking.

 

[Bobcat10]

Compliance Office Paying for Car Repairs?

Interesting…Except for two things:

1. Here is an article from 2008 showing that the fund stems from a legal settlement against the NCAA and that the schools are allowed to determine what use fits within the guidelines of the fund:

USAToday LInk

All applications for the fund, including this one, are approved by the school and then submitted to the NCAA, so they would be well aware of this distribution since receipts for the car repair were also submitted to the NCAA.

2. Also, per NCAA guidelines, there are two spots where the administration of this fund can be used for car repairs. The first one is Section 1i: Cost of clothing and other essential expenses (not entertainment). If the school determined that a car repair was an "essential expense", which is their determination to make according to the NCAA's rules, then the car repair is fine. The second one is Section 4b and 4c: Additional Trips Home and Emergency Travel. Either of these can also encompass the car repair according to the school's determination. According to the previously mentioned court settlement, this is an issue where free discretion was handed to the NCAA and the schools to readminister these funds back to the players directly.

And again, the NCAA received the same information on the disbursement that this 10TV newsman received, since it is an application for funds administered thru the NCAA by the school. In other words, they know about it since they already signed off on it.

But that isn't sensational enough to put in an article.

Just wondering...have you read the guidelines for the SAOF? If not, here's a summary.Examples of what the fund is suppose to be used for:

Educational Expenses and Fees

ƒ Summer School.

ƒ Fifth or Sixth Year Aid.

ƒ Postgraduate Scholarship.

ƒ Postgraduate or Internship Fees.

ƒ International Student Fees and Taxes.

ƒ Graduate School Exam Fees.

ƒ Professional Program Testing.

ƒ Expendable Supplies.

ƒ Educational Supplies (e.g. laptop computers, cameras).

ƒ Other Educational expenses OR Additional SASAF Funding for Academic Course

Supplies.

Health and Safety Expenses

ƒ Insurance Premiums for Student-Athletes.

ƒ Supplemental Insurance.

ƒ Medical Expenses for Student-Athletes (not covered by another insurance program for

student-athletes not eligible for SAF). SAOF

ƒDental/Vision Expenses for Student-Athletes (not covered by another insurance program

for student-athletes not eligible for SAF).

ƒ Medical Expenses for Student-Athletes’ Spouses/Dependents.

ƒ Other Health and Safety Expenses OR Supplemental SASAF Funding for Medical and

Dental Expenses.

Personal or Family Expenses

ƒ Clothing Allowance or Enhancement of Clothing Allowance from Special Assistance

Fund.

ƒ Additional Student-Athlete Travel Home.

ƒ Emergency Travel for Student-Athletes, Spouses and/or Dependents.

ƒ Emergency Expenses for Student-Athletes, Spouses and/or Dependents.

ƒ Travel Expenses for Family Members to be present as a Student-Athlete is honored.

ƒ Travel Expenses for Team Members being honored by Governmental Body.

ƒ Other Personal/Family Expenses OR Supplemental SASAF Funding for Clothing and

Essential Expenses or Student-Athlete & Family Emergency Expenditures.

Institutional Academic or Programming Enhancements

ƒ Academic Achievement or Graduation Awards.

ƒ Academic Support Services.

ƒ Other Academic or Programming Expenses.

There's a theme here, agreed? Do you believe a random car repair fits that theme?

"list is not exhaustive"Anyways, I could care less either way, but unless your post confirms the NCAA had no knowledge of the use of the fund I'm not sure what you are trying to prove. Then again maybe I'm missing something here.

 

[The Commish]

Compliance Office Paying for Car Repairs?

Interesting…Except for two things:

1. Here is an article from 2008 showing that the fund stems from a legal settlement against the NCAA and that the schools are allowed to determine what use fits within the guidelines of the fund:

USAToday LInk

All applications for the fund, including this one, are approved by the school and then submitted to the NCAA, so they would be well aware of this distribution since receipts for the car repair were also submitted to the NCAA.

2. Also, per NCAA guidelines, there are two spots where the administration of this fund can be used for car repairs. The first one is Section 1i: Cost of clothing and other essential expenses (not entertainment). If the school determined that a car repair was an "essential expense", which is their determination to make according to the NCAA's rules, then the car repair is fine. The second one is Section 4b and 4c: Additional Trips Home and Emergency Travel. Either of these can also encompass the car repair according to the school's determination. According to the previously mentioned court settlement, this is an issue where free discretion was handed to the NCAA and the schools to readminister these funds back to the players directly.

And again, the NCAA received the same information on the disbursement that this 10TV newsman received, since it is an application for funds administered thru the NCAA by the school. In other words, they know about it since they already signed off on it.

But that isn't sensational enough to put in an article.

Just wondering...have you read the guidelines for the SAOF? If not, here's a summary.Examples of what the fund is suppose to be used for:

Educational Expenses and Fees

ƒ Summer School.

ƒ Fifth or Sixth Year Aid.

ƒ Postgraduate Scholarship.

ƒ Postgraduate or Internship Fees.

ƒ International Student Fees and Taxes.

ƒ Graduate School Exam Fees.

ƒ Professional Program Testing.

ƒ Expendable Supplies.

ƒ Educational Supplies (e.g. laptop computers, cameras).

ƒ Other Educational expenses OR Additional SASAF Funding for Academic Course

Supplies.

Health and Safety Expenses

ƒ Insurance Premiums for Student-Athletes.

ƒ Supplemental Insurance.

ƒ Medical Expenses for Student-Athletes (not covered by another insurance program for

student-athletes not eligible for SAF). SAOF

ƒDental/Vision Expenses for Student-Athletes (not covered by another insurance program

for student-athletes not eligible for SAF).

ƒ Medical Expenses for Student-Athletes’ Spouses/Dependents.

ƒ Other Health and Safety Expenses OR Supplemental SASAF Funding for Medical and

Dental Expenses.

Personal or Family Expenses

ƒ Clothing Allowance or Enhancement of Clothing Allowance from Special Assistance

Fund.

ƒ Additional Student-Athlete Travel Home.

ƒ Emergency Travel for Student-Athletes, Spouses and/or Dependents.

ƒ Emergency Expenses for Student-Athletes, Spouses and/or Dependents.

ƒ Travel Expenses for Family Members to be present as a Student-Athlete is honored.

ƒ Travel Expenses for Team Members being honored by Governmental Body.

ƒ Other Personal/Family Expenses OR Supplemental SASAF Funding for Clothing and

Essential Expenses or Student-Athlete & Family Emergency Expenditures.

Institutional Academic or Programming Enhancements

ƒ Academic Achievement or Graduation Awards.

ƒ Academic Support Services.

ƒ Other Academic or Programming Expenses.

There's a theme here, agreed? Do you believe a random car repair fits that theme?

"list is not exhaustive"Anyways, I could care less either way, but unless your post confirms the NCAA had no knowledge of the use of the fund I'm not sure what you are trying to prove. Then again maybe I'm missing something here.

I am not trying to "prove" anything and I understand the list is "not exhaustive", that's why I asked if he could see the THEME of the examples given. Wouldn't shock me a bit for the NCAA to dismiss this also.

 

[Bobcat10]

Compliance Office Paying for Car Repairs?

Interesting…Except for two things:

1. Here is an article from 2008 showing that the fund stems from a legal settlement against the NCAA and that the schools are allowed to determine what use fits within the guidelines of the fund:

USAToday LInk

All applications for the fund, including this one, are approved by the school and then submitted to the NCAA, so they would be well aware of this distribution since receipts for the car repair were also submitted to the NCAA.

2. Also, per NCAA guidelines, there are two spots where the administration of this fund can be used for car repairs. The first one is Section 1i: Cost of clothing and other essential expenses (not entertainment). If the school determined that a car repair was an "essential expense", which is their determination to make according to the NCAA's rules, then the car repair is fine. The second one is Section 4b and 4c: Additional Trips Home and Emergency Travel. Either of these can also encompass the car repair according to the school's determination. According to the previously mentioned court settlement, this is an issue where free discretion was handed to the NCAA and the schools to readminister these funds back to the players directly.

And again, the NCAA received the same information on the disbursement that this 10TV newsman received, since it is an application for funds administered thru the NCAA by the school. In other words, they know about it since they already signed off on it.

But that isn't sensational enough to put in an article.

Just wondering...have you read the guidelines for the SAOF? If not, here's a summary.Examples of what the fund is suppose to be used for:

Educational Expenses and Fees

ƒ Summer School.

ƒ Fifth or Sixth Year Aid.

ƒ Postgraduate Scholarship.

ƒ Postgraduate or Internship Fees.

ƒ International Student Fees and Taxes.

ƒ Graduate School Exam Fees.

ƒ Professional Program Testing.

ƒ Expendable Supplies.

ƒ Educational Supplies (e.g. laptop computers, cameras).

ƒ Other Educational expenses OR Additional SASAF Funding for Academic Course

Supplies.

Health and Safety Expenses

ƒ Insurance Premiums for Student-Athletes.

ƒ Supplemental Insurance.

ƒ Medical Expenses for Student-Athletes (not covered by another insurance program for

student-athletes not eligible for SAF). SAOF

ƒDental/Vision Expenses for Student-Athletes (not covered by another insurance program

for student-athletes not eligible for SAF).

ƒ Medical Expenses for Student-Athletes’ Spouses/Dependents.

ƒ Other Health and Safety Expenses OR Supplemental SASAF Funding for Medical and

Dental Expenses.

Personal or Family Expenses

ƒ Clothing Allowance or Enhancement of Clothing Allowance from Special Assistance

Fund.

ƒ Additional Student-Athlete Travel Home.

ƒ Emergency Travel for Student-Athletes, Spouses and/or Dependents.

ƒ Emergency Expenses for Student-Athletes, Spouses and/or Dependents.

ƒ Travel Expenses for Family Members to be present as a Student-Athlete is honored.

ƒ Travel Expenses for Team Members being honored by Governmental Body.

ƒ Other Personal/Family Expenses OR Supplemental SASAF Funding for Clothing and

Essential Expenses or Student-Athlete & Family Emergency Expenditures.

Institutional Academic or Programming Enhancements

ƒ Academic Achievement or Graduation Awards.

ƒ Academic Support Services.

ƒ Other Academic or Programming Expenses.

There's a theme here, agreed? Do you believe a random car repair fits that theme?

"list is not exhaustive"Anyways, I could care less either way, but unless your post confirms the NCAA had no knowledge of the use of the fund I'm not sure what you are trying to prove. Then again maybe I'm missing something here.

I am not trying to "prove" anything and I understand the list is "not exhaustive", that's why I asked if he could see the THEME of the examples given. Wouldn't shock me a bit for the NCAA to dismiss this also.

Well the NCAA may have no choice unless they can put themselves on probation...lifetime would be great. If the repair was submitted by the school and the NCAA ignored it or approved it, the school did nothing wrong. Seems to me there is no issue here unless the paperwork wasn't sent in and I don't see anything that says that.

 

[The Commish]

Still in Limbo

 

[beer 30]

Still in Limbo

A part of me thinks what the NFL is doing here is BS, let the kid play.The bigger, meaner, more sinister, predominate part of me is right now and enjoying the hell out of seeing this basturd have to sit out. Karma, she is a ##### Mr. Pryor

.

 

[Tom Servo]

Still in Limbo

A part of me thinks what the NFL is doing here is BS, let the kid play.The bigger, meaner, more sinister, predominate part of me is right now and enjoying the hell out of seeing this basturd have to sit out. Karma, she is a ##### Mr. Pryor

 

[BigJohn]

Eligible....BUT....

...he must sit the first 5 games after he signs a contract.

What were the chances he would sniff the field in his first 5 NFL games?

Is the NFL run by the NCAA now?

 

[The Commish]

You're fast BigJohn

So where does he go? Oakland? I don't think he sniffs the field in his first season unless the team he's on goes down with injury.

 

[BigJohn]

You're fast BigJohn So where does he go? Oakland? I don't think he sniffs the field in his first season unless the team he's on goes down with injury.

Good Lord, Oakland would make perfect sense. Say, 2nd round? Realistically, I never see him starting. It would be a disaster.

 

[Tom Servo]

Realistically, I never see him starting. It would be a disaster.

If he insists on being QB-only, I doubt he gets taken.How many teams are THAT desparate for a QB?

 

[GroveDiesel]

NFL and Goodell are going to get sued on this one. How can they possibly levy a suspension against him? What NFL rules did he violate?

 

[BigJohn]

NFL and Goodell are going to get sued on this one. How can they possibly levy a suspension against him? What NFL rules did he violate?

Rosenhaus was on the radio a bit ago saying that it was acceptable to them. I think I heard that the suspension was for trying to circumvent the eligibility rules for the sup. draft.

 

[The Commish]

NFL and Goodell are going to get sued on this one. How can they possibly levy a suspension against him? What NFL rules did he violate?

Rosenhaus was on the radio a bit ago saying that it was acceptable to them. I think I heard that the suspension was for trying to circumvent the eligibility rules for the sup. draft.

This is correct. They can sue, but they don't have a leg to stand on. The alternative is for the NFL to say, ok fine, you aren't part of the draft because you didn't follow the predefined rules.

 

[GroveDiesel]

NFL and Goodell are going to get sued on this one. How can they possibly levy a suspension against him? What NFL rules did he violate?

Rosenhaus was on the radio a bit ago saying that it was acceptable to them. I think I heard that the suspension was for trying to circumvent the eligibility rules for the sup. draft.

I don't understand. If he violated the eligibility rules on the supplemental draft, then he's not eligible. If he didn't violate them, then he should be eligible and that's that. The idea that they can say that he's eligible but then suspend him is insane. I have no idea why Rosenhaus is ok with this. IMO, any team that would take Pryor at all is foolish. Especially since they know he's a developmental project at best and know that there will be 5 entire weeks of this season wasted.

 

[xulf]

He can participate in training camp and all preseason activities. He can still be at the facilities and lift weights, he just won't be able to practice with the team or play in the games for the first five weeks.

I don't see it as THAT big of a deal to still draft him if you were going prior to the suspension. It's not like he was going to be making waves in the first five games anyway. It's also better to have him for the remaining 12 weeks than not at all.

Im guessing someone will throw a 5th or more likely a 6th rounder at him --- but there is no way he develops into a starting NFL QB.

 

[azgroover]

What's the pay scale for supplemental picks? Seems like this could be a cheap way for a team to kick the tires and see what the kid has without investing a whole lot.

 

[CrossEyed]

With his size and speed, someone will take him. He's always been a tremendous athlete. Turn him into a WR/TE.

 

[The Commish]

NFL and Goodell are going to get sued on this one. How can they possibly levy a suspension against him? What NFL rules did he violate?

Rosenhaus was on the radio a bit ago saying that it was acceptable to them. I think I heard that the suspension was for trying to circumvent the eligibility rules for the sup. draft.

I don't understand. If he violated the eligibility rules on the supplemental draft, then he's not eligible. If he didn't violate them, then he should be eligible and that's that. The idea that they can say that he's eligible but then suspend him is insane. I have no idea why Rosenhaus is ok with this. IMO, any team that would take Pryor at all is foolish. Especially since they know he's a developmental project at best and know that there will be 5 entire weeks of this season wasted.

He's ok with it because the alternative is he has a player who can't get a NFL contract until next year which means he doesn't get a commission on the contract. This way, he can get his guy in the NFL and get paid.

 

[beer 30]

He's ok with it because the alternative is he has a player who can't get a NFL contract until next year which means he doesn't get a commission on the contract. This way, he can get his guy in the NFL and get paid.

Pretty much this.I just heard it explained on CBus radio and it made sense although I guess you could argue the 5 games being heavy handed. Essentially the NFL ruled Pryor circumvented the eligibility rules by making himself ineligible before OSU or the NCAA declared him ineligible by hiring an agent and leaving the program.

 

[Parrothead]

With his size and speed, someone will take him. He's always been a tremendous athlete. Turn him into a WR/TE.

cornerback..

 

[Defenze]

What's the pay scale for supplemental picks? Seems like this could be a cheap way for a team to kick the tires and see what the kid has without investing a whole lot.

This would be my question also. This comes down to if a team (any team right now), that is so far behind in trainning camp already due to the lockout, is gonna spend a supplemental draft pick on someone that isn't that talented, is suspended already for 5 games and has a history of ignoring the rules. If they do draft him and bring him in they have to pay him something while he is in camp. To me it would be a waste of time and money that could be better spent on getting someone who might pan out in the end. IMO Pryor dosen't even get drafted and this is all academic anyway.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

With his size and speed, someone will take him. He's always been a tremendous athlete. Turn him into a WR/TE.

cornerback..

He isn't agile enough. Watching him run, you can tell he is stiff in the hips.

 

[CrossEyed]

With his size and speed, someone will take him. He's always been a tremendous athlete. Turn him into a WR/TE.

cornerback..

He isn't agile enough. Watching him run, you can tell he is stiff in the hips.

Agreed. He has speed, but I don't think he has "quicks".

 

[beer 30]

This would be my question also. This comes down to if a team (any team right now), that is so far behind in trainning camp already due to the lockout, is gonna spend a supplemental draft pick on someone that isn't that talented, is suspended already for 5 games and has a history of ignoring the rules. If they do draft him and bring him in they have to pay him something while he is in camp. To me it would be a waste of time and money that could be better spent on getting someone who might pan out in the end. IMO Pryor dosen't even get drafted and this is all academic anyway.

Make no mistake, he'll get drafted. He has Raiders written all over him but regardless of where he goes, bring him in, sign him to the practice squad and he costs you what? $80k a year? Why wouldn't you take a shot? Safety, H-back he has mad athletic ability just ain't a good QB.

 

[CrossEyed]

Make no mistake, he'll get drafted.

This. You'd be crazy not to take a flier on a guy who is 6'6", 240 lbs and can run like a deer. He can't demand a huge contract, so it's not like there's much risk involved.

 

[azgroover]

What's the pay scale for supplemental picks? Seems like this could be a cheap way for a team to kick the tires and see what the kid has without investing a whole lot.

This would be my question also. This comes down to if a team (any team right now), that is so far behind in trainning camp already due to the lockout, is gonna spend a supplemental draft pick on someone that isn't that talented, is suspended already for 5 games and has a history of ignoring the rules. If they do draft him and bring him in they have to pay him something while he is in camp. To me it would be a waste of time and money that could be better spent on getting someone who might pan out in the end. IMO Pryor dosen't even get drafted and this is all academic anyway.

I think you're overestimating how much NFL talent evaluators are going to care about his past rule breaking (see, Blount, Vick, Pacman Jones, etc). If someone thinks he can play, he's going to get picked. I've seen enough TP and enough journeyman QBs play to know he can at least make it into that tier without even working too hard. If the right situation pops up, he could be an interesting project. Who knows, maybe he's going to say all the right things and act contrite now.According to this page which explains the Supplemental Draft, teams with 6 or fewer wins have a weighted lottery to get the first pick. Any candidates here?

DAL

DET

HOU

MIN

SF

TEN

WAS

AZ

CLE

BUF

CIN

DEN

CAR

ETA: nevermind this...Just read the rest of that page about how the corresponding round pick is forfeited in the following actual draft. That's too much to give up.

 

[Tom Servo]

What's the pay scale for supplemental picks? Seems like this could be a cheap way for a team to kick the tires and see what the kid has without investing a whole lot.

This would be my question also. This comes down to if a team (any team right now), that is so far behind in trainning camp already due to the lockout, is gonna spend a supplemental draft pick on someone that isn't that talented, is suspended already for 5 games and has a history of ignoring the rules. If they do draft him and bring him in they have to pay him something while he is in camp. To me it would be a waste of time and money that could be better spent on getting someone who might pan out in the end. IMO Pryor dosen't even get drafted and this is all academic anyway.

I think you're overestimating how much NFL talent evaluators are going to care about his past rule breaking (see, Blount, Vick, Pacman Jones, etc). If someone thinks he can play, he's going to get picked. I've seen enough TP and enough journeyman QBs play to know he can at least make it into that tier without even working too hard. If the right situation pops up, he could be an interesting project. Who knows, maybe he's going to say all the right things and act contrite now.According to this page which explains the Supplemental Draft, teams with 6 or fewer wins have a weighted lottery to get the first pick. Any candidates here?

DAL

DET

HOU

MIN

SF

TEN

WAS

AZ

CLE

BUF

CIN

DEN

CAR

ETA: nevermind this...Just read the rest of that page about how the corresponding round pick is forfeited in the following actual draft. That's too much to give up.

That's why he's not getting drafted. He's not worth the pick they forfeit next April.

 

[BigJohn]

What's the pay scale for supplemental picks? Seems like this could be a cheap way for a team to kick the tires and see what the kid has without investing a whole lot.

This would be my question also. This comes down to if a team (any team right now), that is so far behind in trainning camp already due to the lockout, is gonna spend a supplemental draft pick on someone that isn't that talented, is suspended already for 5 games and has a history of ignoring the rules. If they do draft him and bring him in they have to pay him something while he is in camp. To me it would be a waste of time and money that could be better spent on getting someone who might pan out in the end. IMO Pryor dosen't even get drafted and this is all academic anyway.

I think you're overestimating how much NFL talent evaluators are going to care about his past rule breaking (see, Blount, Vick, Pacman Jones, etc). If someone thinks he can play, he's going to get picked. I've seen enough TP and enough journeyman QBs play to know he can at least make it into that tier without even working too hard. If the right situation pops up, he could be an interesting project. Who knows, maybe he's going to say all the right things and act contrite now.According to this page which explains the Supplemental Draft, teams with 6 or fewer wins have a weighted lottery to get the first pick. Any candidates here?

DAL

DET

HOU

MIN

SF

TEN

WAS

AZ

CLE

BUF

CIN

DEN

CAR

ETA: nevermind this...Just read the rest of that page about how the corresponding round pick is forfeited in the following actual draft. That's too much to give up.

That's why he's not getting drafted. He's not worth the pick they forfeit next April.

Somebody will take him in the 5th, or later.

 

[[scooter]]

That's why he's not getting drafted. He's not worth the pick they forfeit next April.

There are a dozen teams that would offer a 6th for him.

 

[Christo]

What's the pay scale for supplemental picks? Seems like this could be a cheap way for a team to kick the tires and see what the kid has without investing a whole lot.

This would be my question also. This comes down to if a team (any team right now), that is so far behind in trainning camp already due to the lockout, is gonna spend a supplemental draft pick on someone that isn't that talented, is suspended already for 5 games and has a history of ignoring the rules. If they do draft him and bring him in they have to pay him something while he is in camp. To me it would be a waste of time and money that could be better spent on getting someone who might pan out in the end. IMO Pryor dosen't even get drafted and this is all academic anyway.

I think you're overestimating how much NFL talent evaluators are going to care about his past rule breaking (see, Blount, Vick, Pacman Jones, etc). If someone thinks he can play, he's going to get picked. I've seen enough TP and enough journeyman QBs play to know he can at least make it into that tier without even working too hard. If the right situation pops up, he could be an interesting project. Who knows, maybe he's going to say all the right things and act contrite now.According to this page which explains the Supplemental Draft, teams with 6 or fewer wins have a weighted lottery to get the first pick. Any candidates here?

DAL

DET

HOU

MIN

SF

TEN

WAS

AZ

CLE

BUF

CIN

DEN

CAR

ETA: nevermind this...Just read the rest of that page about how the corresponding round pick is forfeited in the following actual draft. That's too much to give up.

That's why he's not getting drafted. He's not worth the pick they forfeit next April.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

What's the pay scale for supplemental picks? Seems like this could be a cheap way for a team to kick the tires and see what the kid has without investing a whole lot.

This would be my question also. This comes down to if a team (any team right now), that is so far behind in trainning camp already due to the lockout, is gonna spend a supplemental draft pick on someone that isn't that talented, is suspended already for 5 games and has a history of ignoring the rules. If they do draft him and bring him in they have to pay him something while he is in camp. To me it would be a waste of time and money that could be better spent on getting someone who might pan out in the end. IMO Pryor dosen't even get drafted and this is all academic anyway.

I think you're overestimating how much NFL talent evaluators are going to care about his past rule breaking (see, Blount, Vick, Pacman Jones, etc). If someone thinks he can play, he's going to get picked. I've seen enough TP and enough journeyman QBs play to know he can at least make it into that tier without even working too hard. If the right situation pops up, he could be an interesting project. Who knows, maybe he's going to say all the right things and act contrite now.According to this page which explains the Supplemental Draft, teams with 6 or fewer wins have a weighted lottery to get the first pick. Any candidates here?

DAL

DET

HOU

MIN

SF

TEN

WAS

AZ

CLE

BUF

CIN

DEN

CAR

ETA: nevermind this...Just read the rest of that page about how the corresponding round pick is forfeited in the following actual draft. That's too much to give up.

That's why he's not getting drafted. He's not worth the pick they forfeit next April.

Why would anybody waste a pick on a guy with Pryor's measurables when they could be picking up an Olineman that would struggle to make the practice squad with that pick. Upside be damned.

 

[azgroover]

What's the pay scale for supplemental picks? Seems like this could be a cheap way for a team to kick the tires and see what the kid has without investing a whole lot.

This would be my question also. This comes down to if a team (any team right now), that is so far behind in trainning camp already due to the lockout, is gonna spend a supplemental draft pick on someone that isn't that talented, is suspended already for 5 games and has a history of ignoring the rules. If they do draft him and bring him in they have to pay him something while he is in camp. To me it would be a waste of time and money that could be better spent on getting someone who might pan out in the end. IMO Pryor dosen't even get drafted and this is all academic anyway.

I think you're overestimating how much NFL talent evaluators are going to care about his past rule breaking (see, Blount, Vick, Pacman Jones, etc). If someone thinks he can play, he's going to get picked. I've seen enough TP and enough journeyman QBs play to know he can at least make it into that tier without even working too hard. If the right situation pops up, he could be an interesting project. Who knows, maybe he's going to say all the right things and act contrite now.According to this page which explains the Supplemental Draft, teams with 6 or fewer wins have a weighted lottery to get the first pick. Any candidates here?

DAL

DET

HOU

MIN

SF

TEN

WAS

AZ

CLE

BUF

CIN

DEN

CAR

ETA: nevermind this...Just read the rest of that page about how the corresponding round pick is forfeited in the following actual draft. That's too much to give up.

That's why he's not getting drafted. He's not worth the pick they forfeit next April.

Somebody will take him in the 5th, or later.

I think so too. My initial list was just of those with first crack. When T-jack is a starter in this league, 5th or later sounds like a bargain for someone of Pryors pedigree.

 

[HughHoney]

So Pryor is suspended for the first 5 games for lying to the NCAA, am I understanding this correctly? Where does the line get drawn when it comes to suspending players. Could he suspend somebody for cheating on, and then lying to his wife about? Pryor was not an employee of the NFL yet Goodell still suspends him. I'm a little bit dumbfounded and maybe I'm not fully understanding the suspension.

 

[Joe Summer]

So Pryor is suspended for the first 5 games for lying to the NCAA, am I understanding this correctly? Where does the line get drawn when it comes to suspending players. Could he suspend somebody for cheating on, and then lying to his wife about?

That's not why Goodell suspended Pryor. According to Goodell, the suspension is because of "decisions that undermine the integrity of the eligibility rules for the NFL Draft". Goodell believes that the Supplemental Draft should be reserved for true "hardship cases" -- i.e., players who were suspended by their schools AFTER the regular NFL draft already took place. He's making an example of Pryor to make sure future players don't try to use the Supplemental Draft to evade the regular draft (like Bernie Kosar did).

Pryor was not an employee of the NFL yet Goodell still suspends him. I'm a little bit dumbfounded and maybe I'm not fully understanding the suspension.

Goodell is actually doing Pryor a favor. He could have denied Pryor's eligibility for the Supplemental Draft (based on a strict interpretation of the bylaws). Instead, he offered Pryor a compromise: "I will agree to waive the rules if you agree to sit out 5 games". It's win-win for both sides. And if Pryor doesn't like it, he can withdraw his name from the Supplemental Draft and wait for the 2012 regular draft, and then Goodell wouldn't be able to suspend him at all.

 

[The Commish]

So Pryor is suspended for the first 5 games for lying to the NCAA, am I understanding this correctly? Where does the line get drawn when it comes to suspending players. Could he suspend somebody for cheating on, and then lying to his wife about?

That's not why Goodell suspended Pryor. According to Goodell, the suspension is because of "decisions that undermine the integrity of the eligibility rules for the NFL Draft". Goodell believes that the Supplemental Draft should be reserved for true "hardship cases" -- i.e., players who were suspended by their schools AFTER the regular NFL draft already took place. He's making an example of Pryor to make sure future players don't try to use the Supplemental Draft to evade the regular draft (like Bernie Kosar did).

Pryor was not an employee of the NFL yet Goodell still suspends him. I'm a little bit dumbfounded and maybe I'm not fully understanding the suspension.

Goodell is actually doing Pryor a favor. He could have denied Pryor's eligibility for the Supplemental Draft (based on a strict interpretation of the bylaws). Instead, he offered Pryor a compromise: "I will agree to waive the rules if you agree to sit out 5 games". It's win-win for both sides. And if Pryor doesn't like it, he can withdraw his name from the Supplemental Draft and wait for the 2012 regular draft, and then Goodell wouldn't be able to suspend him at all.

This.

 

[Tom Servo]

That's why he's not getting drafted. He's not worth the pick they forfeit next April.

Why would anybody waste a pick on a guy with Pryor's measurables when they could be picking up an Olineman that would struggle to make the practice squad with that pick. Upside be damned.

TP has an upside?

 

[BigJohn]

 

[beer 30]

My money is on Cincy, maybe Oakland.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

My money is on Cincy, maybe Oakland.

CIN/OAK/MIA are my trifecta.

 

[azgroover]

Raiders in the 3rd - per Schefter

 

[Uwe Blab]

Raiders took him in the 3rd...

 

[Kev4029]

Jesus.

Somebody needs to get Al Davis to step down/die.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

So Pryor is suspended for the first 5 games for lying to the NCAA, am I understanding this correctly? Where does the line get drawn when it comes to suspending players. Could he suspend somebody for cheating on, and then lying to his wife about?

That's not why Goodell suspended Pryor. According to Goodell, the suspension is because of "decisions that undermine the integrity of the eligibility rules for the NFL Draft". Goodell believes that the Supplemental Draft should be reserved for true "hardship cases" -- i.e., players who were suspended by their schools AFTER the regular NFL draft already took place. He's making an example of Pryor to make sure future players don't try to use the Supplemental Draft to evade the regular draft (like Bernie Kosar did).

Pryor was not an employee of the NFL yet Goodell still suspends him. I'm a little bit dumbfounded and maybe I'm not fully understanding the suspension.

Goodell is actually doing Pryor a favor. He could have denied Pryor's eligibility for the Supplemental Draft (based on a strict interpretation of the bylaws). Instead, he offered Pryor a compromise: "I will agree to waive the rules if you agree to sit out 5 games". It's win-win for both sides. And if Pryor doesn't like it, he can withdraw his name from the Supplemental Draft and wait for the 2012 regular draft, and then Goodell wouldn't be able to suspend him at all.

How exactly is this a "win" for the NFL as opposed to the alternatives? The NFL really had nothing to lose leaving him as an ineligible player for this season. I still don't get why Goodell waived the rules.

 

[GroveDiesel]

As a Bills fan, I'm incredibly relieved.

 

[BigJohn]