Punt and Kickoff Returners '08 (1 Viewer)

[the spanker]

Return yardage is the new PPR scoring tweak.

I don't know about that, but it does seem to be a relatively unexplored frontier of this game.

My league uses it as a way to deepen the value of the WR pool at 1 point per 25 return yards and credit the TD's to the player as well. One consequence of including return yards in your league is that it is a curve ball for some owners who don't pay attention or just go by typical projection models. Return yards are also unpredictable from year to year and the lifespan of a returner is typically only a few years before they only focus on being a WR or RB.

I would appreciate having some sort of return yardage option in the Draft Dominator but I certainly can appreciate the unpredictability and potential high unreliability of the data.

Edited to add that Hester gets boosted by 100 pts and Ginn gets boosted by 70 to bring both of their totals to around 200 points which is equal to WR8.

Just the extra work that it will take to prepare for this huge X factor is going to be a major PITA!!!

WR 8??? How many receptions are you projectiing for Hester this year?

The projections I've seen for Hester range from 30-40 receptions, 400-600 yards and 2-4 TD's as a WR (not including KR/PR TD's). These projections give him a high end value of about 100 FF points as a WR and another 100 points as a KR/PR.I actually would value Ginn higher if you get value from return yardage and TD's since it looks like he has higher upside as a WR (130 FF points projected in my league scoring system that gives 1/10 yards and 0.5 PPR). Last years KR/PR yardage would have given him 70 pts in my league at 1/25 yds and his TD's weren't huge last year as a KR/PR so it would appear that the KR/PR pts are more stable than somebody who hits home runs for points like Hester does with his TD's.

KR/PR value is virgin ground that FBG's hasn't really tilled yet, IMO. At least not enough to give projections, rankings or to include into the Draft Dominator that I've been able to find.

One thing I will say about projecting the points for return yards.if you are doing 1 pt per 25 yards, you will have a lot of yards left on the field. A KO guy might get 48 or 70 yards in returns, and while the totals may line up to 900 yards, it doesn't mean you actually got 36 points for that. It's even worse for a punt returner, as they might get less han 25 punt return yards in a game.

now if the scoring is set up as a decimal, as in getting .04 points per return yard, then you are in business.

Yes our scoring is set up as decimal (1pt per 20 yds) so this is definitely an area that I need to exploit and try to get these players properly ranked before my draft Saturday.

 

[the spanker]

Eddie Royal-WR- Broncos Aug. 27 - 6:07 pm et Broncos coach Mike Shanahan confirmed this week that rookie Eddie Royal will continue to return kicks and punts despite his starting role on offense.Royal's done little preseason returning because the team wanted to expedite his learning curve on offense. He's a nice target in return-yardage leagues.Source: Rocky Mountain News

Do you have a link to this?

 

[the spanker]

Eddie Royal-WR- Broncos Aug. 27 - 6:07 pm et

Broncos coach Mike Shanahan confirmed this week that rookie Eddie Royal will continue to return kicks and punts despite his starting role on offense.

Royal's done little preseason returning because the team wanted to expedite his learning curve on offense. He's a nice target in return-yardage leagues.

Source: Rocky Mountain News

Do you have a link to this?

Nevermind. Found it here: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=4853

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

Can we get an update on the Buffalo P/KR situation? Thanks in advance.

 

[bjabrad]

Eddie Royal-WR- Broncos Aug. 27 - 6:07 pm et

Broncos coach Mike Shanahan confirmed this week that rookie Eddie Royal will continue to return kicks and punts despite his starting role on offense.

Royal's done little preseason returning because the team wanted to expedite his learning curve on offense. He's a nice target in return-yardage leagues.

Source: Rocky Mountain News

Do you have a link to this?

Nevermind. Found it here: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=4853

So what projections does anybody see from Royal based upon his starting WR duties across from Brandon Marshall?

 

[bjabrad]

Is there a master list or pay content article (that I am apparently not finding) that spells out at least preliminary KR/PR duties? I can use the depth chart but it doesn't really give the full picture that I am looking for such as: Is the person the primary KR, can they lose reps if they are a full time starter on Offense or Defense, etc....

The following recently posted article includes a listing of the primary returners for each team:Returnerguys - 2008 Preseason Edition

I hate to be a complainer but consider this constructive input. I love the fact that you've compiled the KR/PR data for us KR/PR geeks that have these type of tweaked leagues.

However, you've got KR listed at 1 point/40 yards and PR listed at 1 pt/20 yards. My thought is that KR/PR return yardage leagues are still fairly rare and just beginning to pick up steam and therefore the target market isn't detailed enough yet to add KR/PR yardage let alone trick up the yardage by having two separate yardage categories.

I love that you have built an amazing tool but I think it's ahead of it's time.

Can you integrate your data into the Draft Dominator and have Bruce Henderson give the option to dial custom yardage for KR or PR???

Draft Dominator gets better with every release and in fact I just noticed a cool new Draft Board on the latest update but KR/PR yardage would be a huge upgrade for the DD.

Can you work with Bruce so that he can include this???

 

[zenzephyros]

Eddie Royal-WR- Broncos Aug. 27 - 6:07 pm et

Broncos coach Mike Shanahan confirmed this week that rookie Eddie Royal will continue to return kicks and punts despite his starting role on offense.

Royal's done little preseason returning because the team wanted to expedite his learning curve on offense. He's a nice target in return-yardage leagues.

Source: Rocky Mountain News

Wow I thought Andre Hall was going to share duties in returns. Would you rank Royal higher than Desean Jackson now?

I would go with Royal based on not only his defined starting role, but he will be taking all returns. He is by far the safer pick. Jackson, on the other hand, has no defined role on the Eagles outside of a possible slot receiver gig. He also will only be returning punts, which is much less valueable than returning kicks. That being said, Jackson has much more potential for reward given that he has McNabb throwing him the ball and all of the WR injuries for the Eagles. There is the possiblity that he comes out, starts lighting it up, and ends up being the Eagles #1 WR.

 

[Buffaloes]

Can we get an update on the Buffalo P/KR situation? Thanks in advance.

 

[zenzephyros]

Eddie Royal-WR- Broncos Aug. 27 - 6:07 pm et

Broncos coach Mike Shanahan confirmed this week that rookie Eddie Royal will continue to return kicks and punts despite his starting role on offense.

Royal's done little preseason returning because the team wanted to expedite his learning curve on offense. He's a nice target in return-yardage leagues.

Source: Rocky Mountain News

Do you have a link to this?

Nevermind. Found it here: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=4853

So what projections does anybody see from Royal based upon his starting WR duties across from Brandon Marshall?

Not sure about projections, but in general, he is probably going to be the 3rd option in the passing attack with TE Tony Sheffler being the #2 option. That means he has very limited upside. That said, if you throw in all return yards, his point totals should be nice.

 

[KellysHeroes]

KFFL) Jerry McDonald, of the Contra Costa Times, reports Oakland Raiders WR Johnnie Lee Higgins is competing to be the team's third receiver. He will also return punts and kickoffs.

 

[the spanker]

Eddie Royal-WR- Broncos Aug. 27 - 6:07 pm et

Broncos coach Mike Shanahan confirmed this week that rookie Eddie Royal will continue to return kicks and punts despite his starting role on offense.

Royal's done little preseason returning because the team wanted to expedite his learning curve on offense. He's a nice target in return-yardage leagues.

Source: Rocky Mountain News

Do you have a link to this?

Nevermind. Found it here: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=4853

So what projections does anybody see from Royal based upon his starting WR duties across from Brandon Marshall?

Not sure about projections, but in general, he is probably going to be the 3rd option in the passing attack with TE Tony Sheffler being the #2 option. That means he has very limited upside. That said, if you throw in all return yards, his point totals should be nice.

Are we sure he's going to be the #3 option in the passing attack? Guys who own Sheffler are pretty worried about his role on the offense right now. There are a couple of posts discussing this. The Broncos official depth chart goes Graham, Jackson, Scheffler.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Carolina could turn to Samie Parker as punt returner

Getty Images

Although Samie Parker has not returned a punt in his four-year NFL career, he might be asked to do so tonight for the Carolina Panthers in their exhibition finale against the Pittsburgh Steelers at Heinz Field.

Parker, signed by the Panthers on Tuesday after injuries continued to plow through the team's receiver and kick returning corps, caught 110 passes for 1,529 yards and seven touchdowns in four seasons with the Kansas City Chiefs.

He didn't need to return punts or kickoffs, since the Chiefs had one of the game's best — Dante Hall — doing that.

Source: Charlotte Observer

 

[Ozymandias]

Can we get an update on the Buffalo P/KR situation? Thanks in advance.

It looks as if they like Leodis McKelvin a lot, but McGee has been so good they probably will stick with him as the primary. However, I wouldn't be surprised it they mix it up a little."Special teams coordinator Bobby April discussed the primary returners roles,“With the volume of quality production that Terrence andRoscoe have given us, there's probably not enough there [with McKelvin] to make a change. It's going to be a situation whereLeodis is going to push those guys - and he'll either push them to a higher level or he'll pass them. But they're going to behard to pass.”

 

[the spanker]

Carolina could turn to Samie Parker as punt returnerGetty ImagesAlthough Samie Parker has not returned a punt in his four-year NFL career, he might be asked to do so tonight for the Carolina Panthers in their exhibition finale against the Pittsburgh Steelers at Heinz Field. Parker, signed by the Panthers on Tuesday after injuries continued to plow through the team's receiver and kick returning corps, caught 110 passes for 1,529 yards and seven touchdowns in four seasons with the Kansas City Chiefs.He didn't need to return punts or kickoffs, since the Chiefs had one of the game's best — Dante Hall — doing that.Source: Charlotte Observer

Anyone got a gut feeling who will be PR, Stewart or Parker? My draft is Saturday and I have Stewart as a 4th round pick but PR is factored into this ranking.I know it's slim, but is there a possibility we'll know who has the job by tomorrow?

 

[BusMan]

 

[TheAssassin]

Goal Line Blitz: The American Football MMORPG

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[barista]

Unless you're in a really deep league it seems the KRPR bonus will really only help primary O/D players Like Ginn/McGee/Hester/Burleson/Norwood/Jones Drew, etc. The easiest way is to look at last year's scoring. Cribbs is a straight return guy and he had a career year... where does that end up in your league? He ended up 12th in my league... Burleson ended up 9th... check scoring history. That's the big variable with this stat.

 

[Gamma1210]

In an IDP league, returners who are even nickel corners get a huge jump in the rankings. This is why there are so many questions on guys like McGee or Adam Jones, a few tackles plus KR yards=big points

 

[Eviloutsider]

In an IDP league, returners who are even nickel corners get a huge jump in the rankings. This is why there are so many questions on guys like McGee or Adam Jones, a few tackles plus KR yards=big points

Yep, that's why I would love to find a list of IDP players that are the primary KR. Anyone know of any?

 

[KellysHeroes]

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Waste of time... not really. but Waste of money, oh yeah.... anyone that pours more than $10 bucks into that thing is \Especailly w/ the creator keeps changes thing and it effects players negatively.

 

[TheAssassin]

Goal Line Blitz: The American Football MMORPGIS A BIG WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY$$$$

Waste of time... not really. but Waste of money, oh yeah.... anyone that pours more than $10 bucks into that thing is \Especailly w/ the creator keeps changes thing and it effects players negatively.

Well I was a DC and it took a lot of time but the rules kept changing and it pissed me off.

 

[Eviloutsider]

In an IDP league, returners who are even nickel corners get a huge jump in the rankings. This is why there are so many questions on guys like McGee or Adam Jones, a few tackles plus KR yards=big points

Yep, that's why I would love to find a list of IDP players that are the primary KR. Anyone know of any?

Another bump as I have a morning draft where this info is needed? Anyone even got a list of five guys I could work off of? I think Pacman and McGee, but who else?

 

[-baller]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=391356

 

[Eviloutsider]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=391356

Thanks

 

[AnonymousBob]

In an IDP league, returners who are even nickel corners get a huge jump in the rankings. This is why there are so many questions on guys like McGee or Adam Jones, a few tackles plus KR yards=big points

Yep, that's why I would love to find a list of IDP players that are the primary KR. Anyone know of any?

Another bump as I have a morning draft where this info is needed? Anyone even got a list of five guys I could work off of? I think Pacman and McGee, but who else?

This thread also has that information. Herman posted the link of the kick/punt returner for each and every team. IIRC it's on the previous page in this thread.

 

[NYRAGE]

I just joined a league that gives out 1 point per 10 return yards. That's insane. I'll have to adjust the projections on the latest VBD cheatsheet. I'm afraid to see what's it's going to do to Ginn and Hester.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Goal Line Blitz: The American Football MMORPGIS A BIG WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY$$$$

Waste of time... not really. but Waste of money, oh yeah.... anyone that pours more than $10 bucks into that thing is \Especailly w/ the creator keeps changes thing and it effects players negatively.

Well I was a DC and it took a lot of time but the rules kept changing and it pissed me off.

Thats how I felt... I just log in and check my player.

 

[TheAssassin]

in pittsburgh drummand and willie reid were released, so is Mewelde the KR/PR?

 

[AnonymousBob]

I just joined a league that gives out 1 point per 10 return yards. That's insane. I'll have to adjust the projections on the latest VBD cheatsheet. I'm afraid to see what's it's going to do to Ginn and Hester.

Sweet jesus! Ginn has a very good chance to finish as the #1 wr in that league and by a wide margin. Take him along with Hester, Breaston, Cribbs, Dante Hall and MJD. You'll have good options with relative no name players.

 

[Nickleback]

Well I noticed the Bengals just released O'Neil, who do you figure becomes the primary Punt/Kick returner?

James Johnson did both the other night... Dorsey maybe??

 

[Grandville]

Mike,

Any info on the Colts or Lions returners? I've seen this on KFFL:

"Author: KFFL.com

The Associated Press reports Indianapolis Colts WR Courtney Roby tried to seal a roster spot Thursday, Aug. 28, by returning a kickoff 103 yards for a touchdown in the team's preseason game. Roby also caught a pass for 24 yards in the game.

Author: KFFL.com

The Associated Press reports Indianapolis Colts WR Pierre Garcon (knee) left the team's preseason game Thursday, Aug. 28, with a knee injury, but he is not expected to miss much time."

In your returnguys article you listed TJ Rushing and Garcon as the possible return guys. With Rushing now on IR plus the above listed articles, what is your feeling now?

Also, Detroit seems to have cut everyone that they were trying out as returners and A. Cason was placed on IR. Could S. McDonald do both?

Lions | Cason placed on IR

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:39:27 -0700

The Detroit Lions announced they have placed RB Aveion Cason (ankle) on Injured Reserve, ending his 2008 season.

Lions | Calhoun placed on IR

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:38:45 -0700

The Detroit Lions announced they have placed RB Brian Calhoun (thigh) on Injured Reserve, ending his 2008 season.

Lions | Team announces roster cuts

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:35:38 -0700

The Detroit Lions announced they have released WR Ronald Bellamy, LB Darnell Bing, S Greg Blue, LB Buster Davis, OG Frank Davis, DE Victor DeGrate, CB Dovonte Edwards, WR Devale Ellis, DE Rudolph Hardie, TE Clark Harris, QB Drew Henson, S LeMarcus Hicks, OG Corey Hulsey, LB Leon Joe, WR Brandon Middleton, WR Kenneth Moore, RB Artose Pinner, OT Jonathan Scott, WR John Standeford and CB Kiwaukee Thomas from the team.

Any insight you have on these two teams retun games would be helpful.

 

[jose481]

Any updates out of Green Bay about Tramon Williams/Will Blackmon?

 

[zenzephyros]

Mike,

Any info on the Colts or Lions returners? I've seen this on KFFL:

"Author: KFFL.com

The Associated Press reports Indianapolis Colts WR Courtney Roby tried to seal a roster spot Thursday, Aug. 28, by returning a kickoff 103 yards for a touchdown in the team's preseason game. Roby also caught a pass for 24 yards in the game.

Author: KFFL.com

The Associated Press reports Indianapolis Colts WR Pierre Garcon (knee) left the team's preseason game Thursday, Aug. 28, with a knee injury, but he is not expected to miss much time."

In your returnguys article you listed TJ Rushing and Garcon as the possible return guys. With Rushing now on IR plus the above listed articles, what is your feeling now?

Also, Detroit seems to have cut everyone that they were trying out as returners and A. Cason was placed on IR. Could S. McDonald do both?

Lions |

Cason placed on IR

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:39:27 -0700

The Detroit Lions announced they have placed RB Aveion Cason (ankle) on Injured Reserve, ending his 2008 season.

Lions | Calhoun placed on IR

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:38:45 -0700

The Detroit Lions announced they have placed RB Brian Calhoun (thigh) on Injured Reserve, ending his 2008 season.

Lions | Team announces roster cuts

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:35:38 -0700

The Detroit Lions announced they have released WR Ronald Bellamy, LB Darnell Bing, S Greg Blue, LB Buster Davis, OG Frank Davis, DE Victor DeGrate, CB Dovonte Edwards, WR Devale Ellis, DE Rudolph Hardie, TE Clark Harris, QB Drew Henson, S LeMarcus Hicks, OG Corey Hulsey, LB Leon Joe, WR Brandon Middleton, WR Kenneth Moore, RB Artose Pinner, OT Jonathan Scott, WR John Standeford and CB Kiwaukee Thomas from the team.

Any insight you have on these two teams retun games would be helpful.

Mike Furrey is the primary kick returner, but unfortunately he is the 4th WR. He probably won't get much action in that new offense. LINK

 

[Grandville]

Anyone have any info on the Colts return game. I can't find any new info. Thanks!

 

[Grandville]

For those of you still looking for KR/PR options:

From KFFL:

Panthers | Jones likely to return kicks

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:24:32 -0700

The Associated Press reports Carolina Panthers WR Mark Jones likely will return kickoffs and punts Week 1.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

For those of you still looking for KR/PR options:From KFFLanthers | Jones likely to return kicksMon, 1 Sep 2008 16:24:32 -0700The Associated Press reports Carolina Panthers WR Mark Jones likely will return kickoffs and punts Week 1.

Damn, I was putting stock in Stewart.

 

[Grandville]

For those of you still looking for KR/PR options:From KFFLanthers | Jones likely to return kicksMon, 1 Sep 2008 16:24:32 -0700The Associated Press reports Carolina Panthers WR Mark Jones likely will return kickoffs and punts Week 1.

Damn, I was putting stock in Stewart.

Me too. But maybe they won't like what they see and Stewart will get a look week 2.

 

[mightyeskimo]

My league just added Team Special Teams. 1 pt/10 Punt Return Yards and 1 pt/25 yards Kick Return Yards. 6 pt TD's. Can anyone offer a top 10 list based on that?

 

[Mike Herman]

Just got back from vacation and am working on an updated Returnerguys article for tomorrow...

CLEVELAND

Josh Cribbs is a game time decision this week. Syndric Steptoe is next in line if Cribbs doesn't play.

 

[mightyeskimo]

Just got back from vacation and am working on an updated Returnerguys article for tomorrow...

CLEVELAND

Josh Cribbs is a game time decision this week. Syndric Steptoe is next in line if Cribbs doesn't play.

Thanks Mike! Is there any way you could give me a quick top 10? Even something just off the top of your head would be greatly useful. 1pt/10 PR Yards, 1pt/25 KR Yards, 6pt/TD. I look forward to your article. Thanks again!

 

[zenzephyros]

Just got back from vacation and am working on an updated Returnerguys article for tomorrow...

CLEVELAND

Josh Cribbs is a game time decision this week. Syndric Steptoe is next in line if Cribbs doesn't play.

Thanks Mike! Is there any way you could give me a quick top 10? Even something just off the top of your head would be greatly useful. 1pt/10 PR Yards, 1pt/25 KR Yards, 6pt/TD. I look forward to your article. Thanks again!

If you going by total return yards, here are the top 10 returners from last year:1) Cribbs, Cle

2) Breaston, Ari

3) Ginn, Mia

4) Hester, Chi

5) Hicks, SF

6) Washington, NYJ

7) Holt, Cin

8) Cartwright, Was

9) Norwood, Atl

10) Figurs, Bal

The only guy no longer on the same team is Hicks. He is being replaced by Allen Rossum... who is another return specialist. Hicks is now in Minnesota. Hester had 6 tds, Washington and Cribbs had 3 tds, and Figurs had 2 tds. Those guys should get a bump up the list for their big play ability. Everyone else on the list had 1 td or none. It is also important to note that everyone but Holt, Cartwright, and Norwood handle punt returns as well. Although punt returns are much less reliable due to the frequency of fair catches, they are another situation where the ball is in the return man's hands. I will mention that Nate Burleson is a great return man that happened to finish 11th in overall yards. Although he usually handles kicks and punts, I am really not sure if he is going to handle returns this year based on the fact that he is the only WR left standing in their offense.

 

[zenzephyros]

Hey Mike. I have been trolling the internet for updates on the kick return situations in Jacksonville and Tennessee. I know that Jacksonville is between MJD and Witherspoon, while Tennessee is between Chris Carr and Chris Johnson. Have you heard anything? Thanks.

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Also... for everyone... Mendenhall will be used on kick returns while M. Moore/S.Homes will return punts week 1 for Pittsburgh.

LINK

 

[AnonymousBob]

Just got back from vacation and am working on an updated Returnerguys article for tomorrow...

CLEVELAND

Josh Cribbs is a game time decision this week. Syndric Steptoe is next in line if Cribbs doesn't play.

I can't wait!

 

[AnonymousBob]

Just got back from vacation and am working on an updated Returnerguys article for tomorrow...

CLEVELAND

Josh Cribbs is a game time decision this week. Syndric Steptoe is next in line if Cribbs doesn't play.

Thanks Mike! Is there any way you could give me a quick top 10? Even something just off the top of your head would be greatly useful. 1pt/10 PR Yards, 1pt/25 KR Yards, 6pt/TD. I look forward to your article. Thanks again!

Ginn. Get him. Hester and Breaston are the other two guys that are likely to get a decent amount of work on the offensive side of things. Dante Hall is healthy this year so he should be a great pick as well.

 

[mightyeskimo]

This is for our leagues position of Team Special Teams. Vikings, Chargers, etc... I'm trying to grab the best free agent out there. Scoring is only 1pt/10 PR Yards, 1pt/25 KR Yards, 6pts/TD.

 

[tombonneau]

Tried scanning the last few pages of this (amazing) thread, but couldn't find what I'm looking for; but I'm hearing Chris Johnson will have KR/PR duties in TEN? Is this true?

 

[Alias]

I think Leon Washington represents some of the best value when combined with his non kickoff duties, particularly in deep leagues with many RB slots. For example I am in a 16 team league that starts 2 RB with a flex. I am starting him in my flex this week over Chris Perry (Tomlinson and Turner are my starters)

 

[Mike Herman]

Hey Mike. I have been trolling the internet for updates on the kick return situations in Jacksonville and Tennessee. I know that Jacksonville is between MJD and Witherspoon, while Tennessee is between Chris Carr and Chris Johnson. Have you heard anything? Thanks.

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Also... for everyone... Mendenhall will be used on kick returns while M. Moore/S.Homes will return punts week 1 for Pittsburgh.

LINK

TEN - as far as I know it will be primarily Carr, with some Johnson mixed in on kickoffsJAC - I'm assuming/speculating it will be Witherspoon most weeks, although there may be some games where he is not active due to the "numbers game" and then Jones-Drew and Northcutt would handle returns

 

[Mike Herman]

Anyone have any info on the Colts return game. I can't find any new info. Thanks!

probably Roby on kickoffs and Garcon on punts

 

[Berniebezzo]

Any word in Seattle....will it be Forsett doing both despite his fumbling problems? Wilson on KR...Burleson sprinkled in?