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QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (4 Viewers)

fruity pebbles said:
And who knows what the contract really was. Maybe the guaranteed money wasn't there, maybe it was laden with incentives maybe he wanted a no trade clause. Who knows. 
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Exactly correct.  This is just Shefty being Shefty again.  I'm sure Mike Greenberg and everyone else at ESPN is all about "BOMBSHELL FROM SCHEFTER!"

 
My impression has been that he won't sign an extension and doesn't want to stay there for the next 5 years.  I always thought that if money is what solves this, it will have to be GB ripping up his current contract and giving him a new one over the next 2 years.  If they want him to get back with the team, they need to do something that will affect him now, not 3 years from now.

 
RC94 said:
My impression has been that he won't sign an extension and doesn't want to stay there for the next 5 years.  I always thought that if money is what solves this, it will have to be GB ripping up his current contract and giving him a new one over the next 2 years.  If they want him to get back with the team, they need to do something that will affect him now, not 3 years from now.
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Isn't this exactly what a contract extension does?  Right now, he has no significant guarantees left, only small workout bonuses, which he's given up the past few years by not showing up for OTAs.  He can be cut / traded next season with very little cap hit. They moved all his annual bonuses/guaranteed money up a couple years ago for cap relief, so he's been paid all that money already.  An extension allows them to give him a ton more upfront money while spreading out the cap hit over the length of the new deal. The question we were all asking in February, that we're still asking today, is how long does the team want to commit itself to #12?

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Isn't this exactly what a contract extension does?  Right now, he has no significant guarantees left, only small workout bonuses, which he's given up the past few years by not showing up for OTAs.  He can be cut / traded next season with very little cap hit. They moved all his annual bonuses/guaranteed money up a couple years ago for cap relief, so he's been paid all that money already.  An extension allows them to give him a ton more upfront money while spreading out the cap hit over the length of the new deal. The question we were all asking in February, that we're still asking today, is how long does the team want to commit itself to #12?
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I'm sure he'll get a signing bonus, but otherwise a contract extension adds years to an existing deal, not replace it.  It said he would then be signed for 5 years.  I'm not surprised he rejected that.

 
I still maintain this has never been about money to Rodgers. Rodgers, and also Wilson, watched Brady this past season cement his legacy by going to an organization that gave him the roster he wanted but also gave him input in roster decisions. You think Brady didn't have a say bringing in Gronk and Brown? Brady got to pick his landing spot and then had a team willing to involve him in roster decisions. 

We are seeing a similar situation in Seattle where Wilson is upset that he doesn't have more input in determining their offensive philosophy, the relationship just hasn't deteriorated to the same degree. Rodgers wants to be involved in management decisions. He believes he has earned the right and the GB brass disagree. GB isn't going to solve this by throwing money at it. If anything, I would bet the reports that the Bengals took Chase over Sewell because Burrow lobbied for it has entrenched Rodgers in his position. He cant enjoy watching all these young QBs (Tua, Burrow, Lawrence) getting their rookie teammates.

Rodgers is an infamously petty guy. He views the fact that GB leadership treats him like a regular player as disrespect. Until he gets the preferential treatment he sees other franchise QBs getting, he won't be able to get over it. 

 
You know what would be the best thing possible for the Denver Broncos?  The Milwaukee Bucks winning the NBA title.  If ever there was a time for that fanbase to let go of a sports legend - and grab hold of another, and boy have they - it is without question, now.  Those people are losing their minds over the Greek Freak and winning the title and rightfully so.  

It's almost like today's little PR leak was a well-timed precursor.

Packers management could not ask for a better situation to go ahead and hit the send button on Rodgers.

(I happen to think Denver's the destination.)

 
RC94 said:
I'm sure he'll get a signing bonus, but otherwise a contract extension adds years to an existing deal, not replace it.  It said he would then be signed for 5 years.  I'm not surprised he rejected that.
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An NFL contract extension is absolutely a completely new deal that entirely replaces the player’s contract. It’s not like they leave his existing 3 years in place unchanged and just tack 2 more at the end.  A 5 year contract offer for Rodgers at this point is almost certainly in reality a 1 or 2 year deal, with 2-3 fake years at the end to spread the cap hit. We have no meaningful knowledge of the offers and counteroffers the parties have made. 
 

 
CletiusMaximus said:
An NFL contract extension is absolutely a completely new deal that entirely replaces the player’s contract. It’s not like they leave his existing 3 years in place unchanged and just tack 2 more at the end.  A 5 year contract offer for Rodgers at this point is almost certainly in reality a 1 or 2 year deal, with 2-3 fake years at the end to spread the cap hit. We have no meaningful knowledge of the offers and counteroffers the parties have made. 
 
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You should re-read Faust's post.  It says:

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter

This off-season, the Packers offered Aaron Rodgers a two-year contract extension that would have tied him to Green Bay for five more seasons and made him the highest-paid QB and player in football.

Rodgers declined the offer, proof it’s not about the money.
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His current contract has 3 years on it.  The extension was for 2 years.  

 
just not sure a trade can really get done until next year.....using Watson/Rodgers and DEN as an example.....the going rate for these guys (before a lot of the crap happened) was going to be like at least three first rounders plus maybe some additional picks and/or players....had the deal got done pre draft GB could have selected whoever they wanted at the 9 pick that DEN had....now they can't....is DEN going to be picking in the top 10 again next year?....who knows....is DEN going to give up Surtain/Jeudy/Chubb (their last 3 first rounders) and some other stuff....

DEN actually has a pretty good base of a team on offense and defense (at least for this year, next year is a different story as Von and some others on one year deals will be gone)....so yeah you get Rodgers, but you lose a ton of talent off your team.....does Rodgers cover those holes now....IDK...GB is not really going to want picks in the late teens or 20's which is probably where a team with Rodgers finishes....no mans land....they will probably wait until a team in the top 10 next year comes knocking....plus if you are DEN, with as complicated as Rodgers is, do you want to give up the farm for a couple of good years and then have to go down the "we still need a QB after he is gone" rabbit hole...and the possibility that the guy at any point could just say....you know what, its been fun....but I'm done....

I just can't really imagine what a package would look like post draft and prior to the season that both sides would agree too...

 
Stinkin Ref said:
just not sure a trade can really get done until next year.....using Watson/Rodgers and DEN as an example.....the going rate for these guys (before a lot of the crap happened) was going to be like at least three first rounders plus maybe some additional picks and/or players....had the deal got done pre draft GB could have selected whoever they wanted at the 9 pick that DEN had....now they can't....is DEN going to be picking in the top 10 again next year?....who knows....is DEN going to give up Surtain/Jeudy/Chubb (their last 3 first rounders) and some other stuff....

DEN actually has a pretty good base of a team on offense and defense (at least for this year, next year is a different story as Von and some others on one year deals will be gone)....so yeah you get Rodgers, but you lose a ton of talent off your team.....does Rodgers cover those holes now....IDK...GB is not really going to want picks in the late teens or 20's which is probably where a team with Rodgers finishes....no mans land....they will probably wait until a team in the top 10 next year comes knocking....plus if you are DEN, with as complicated as Rodgers is, do you want to give up the farm for a couple of good years and then have to go down the "we still need a QB after he is gone" rabbit hole...and the possibility that the guy at any point could just say....you know what, its been fun....but I'm done....

I just can't really imagine what a package would look like post draft and prior to the season that both sides would agree too...
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If Denver is in the market, I understand that Mitch Trubisky may be on the trading block.

 
Stinkin Ref said:
just not sure a trade can really get done until next year.....using Watson/Rodgers and DEN as an example.....the going rate for these guys (before a lot of the crap happened) was going to be like at least three first rounders plus maybe some additional picks and/or players....had the deal got done pre draft GB could have selected whoever they wanted at the 9 pick that DEN had....now they can't....is DEN going to be picking in the top 10 again next year?....who knows....is DEN going to give up Surtain/Jeudy/Chubb (their last 3 first rounders) and some other stuff....

DEN actually has a pretty good base of a team on offense and defense (at least for this year, next year is a different story as Von and some others on one year deals will be gone)....so yeah you get Rodgers, but you lose a ton of talent off your team.....does Rodgers cover those holes now....IDK...GB is not really going to want picks in the late teens or 20's which is probably where a team with Rodgers finishes....no mans land....they will probably wait until a team in the top 10 next year comes knocking....plus if you are DEN, with as complicated as Rodgers is, do you want to give up the farm for a couple of good years and then have to go down the "we still need a QB after he is gone" rabbit hole...and the possibility that the guy at any point could just say....you know what, its been fun....but I'm done....

I just can't really imagine what a package would look like post draft and prior to the season that both sides would agree too...
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I agree with you that it would have been better timing for Green Bay to trade Rodgers before the draft instead of right now as far as maximizing their return.

 
KingPrawn said:
His fiancee is originally from Colorado and I think I've read she has a home there. So yeah, his "inner circle" likes Colorado.
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Yeah that's not true.  She's from SoCal, the valley.  Not The Valley in Phoenix mind you, with the sun and all, like, the Valley Girl valley.  And her career is Hollywood.  Neither of them want to be too far, I'd imagine.

Look he's obviously starting an entirely new life with this chick.  People are underestimating where she wants to be in all this.  The guy loves the mountains, he said as much in Montana, sh probably does too.  He had (or still has?) a home in Del Mar/SD.  A 2 hour flight to Denver for his girl is easy.  Going back east often, not so much.  I doubt she quits her career.

I believe what Schlereth said, it was close.  Vegas odds shifting on the Broncos at that time tells me something was in the mix.  Super Bowl odds dropped in half, they don't do that for nothing. 

We'll see what happens now, it's a chess match, but I still think he's gone.

 
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And so the "Fall out " Begins ...

Devante Adams & Packers have broken off talks on a long term extension.  

How much of this is Players siding with Rodgers when GB FO played the "it's him, not us" card.  

 
Birdie048 said:
And so the "Fall out " Begins ...

Devante Adams & Packers have broken off talks on a long term extension.  

How much of this is Players siding with Rodgers when GB FO played the "it's him, not us" card.  
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Well it could just be Adams wanting to see if Rodgers is on board before committing.

 
A podcast was discussing where to take DA of Rodgers is gone. It was a range of just behind Diggs to borderline WR1. I think I’d place him in the latter category. He’s still a great WR, but woild be compelled to take a few others ahead of him. 

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Birdie048 said:
And so the "Fall out " Begins ...

Devante Adams & Packers have broken off talks on a long term extension.  

How much of this is Players siding with Rodgers when GB FO played the "it's him, not us" card.  
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Well it could just be Adams wanting to see if Rodgers is on board before committing.
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It could also be that the team is in a difficult spot deciding if/how they can pay DeAndre Hopkins money to Adams when they don't know what Rodgers' cap numbers will be.  Adams wants a top of the market contract and probably deserves it, but that might not be possible if they restructure/extend Rodgers, on top of the other big contracts they've already done for next season.

 
PFF @PFF

Multiple sportsbooks believe Aaron Rodgers will retire next week, per @ProFootballTalk

Michael Fabiano @Michael_Fabiano

We're on with @BillHuberSI on Fantasy Dirt on @SiriusXMFantasy ... he believes Aaron Rodgers could decide to "retire" in an effort to force the Packers hand and trade him. Or, the Packers could just let him sit.

ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk

As Green Bay 2021 over-under win totals disappear from places like DraftKings, PointsBet, and Westgate, multiple sports books reportedly believe Aaron Rodgers will be retiring next week.

AJ Schulte @AJDraftScout

Vikings are +250 to win the North.

 
Penguin said:
PFF @PFF

Multiple sportsbooks believe Aaron Rodgers will retire next week, per @ProFootballTalk

Michael Fabiano @Michael_Fabiano

We're on with @BillHuberSI on Fantasy Dirt on @SiriusXMFantasy ... he believes Aaron Rodgers could decide to "retire" in an effort to force the Packers hand and trade him. Or, the Packers could just let him sit.

ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk

As Green Bay 2021 over-under win totals disappear from places like DraftKings, PointsBet, and Westgate, multiple sports books reportedly believe Aaron Rodgers will be retiring next week.

AJ Schulte @AJDraftScout

Vikings are +250 to win the North.
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2021 NFC north could look a lot like 2020 NFC east. Battle royale of the bad teams. Wouldn't be surprised to see a fields led bears win it at 8-9

 
Let’s not assume there is a big drop-off from Rodgers to Love....Ha….maybe Detroit can be this years Washington.

Clarification: there is a big drop off….

 
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I think both sides are at fault here. But, if A-aron wants to be like Tom and control his destiny, he should take a page out of his book and take less money, simple. If he wants more help then stop taking their money. How are you going to feed your teammates when you eating 2/3 of the pie lol. How can you complain about your employer when you keep accepting their pay raises? 

 
Didn't Rodgers say just a couple of weeks ago how the smart stay silent and those that speak the loudest are the dumbest in the room. And then he constantly trolls with garbage like posting pictures from the last dance. Either speak up Rodgers or just shut up

 
KingPrawn said:
Didn't Rodgers say just a couple of weeks ago how the smart stay silent and those that speak the loudest are the dumbest in the room. And then he constantly trolls with garbage like posting pictures from the last dance. Either speak up Rodgers or just shut up
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I’ve always liked Rodgers, and he’s one of the most talented QBs of all time - but he’s come across looking really bad in this process.

 
KingPrawn said:
Didn't Rodgers say just a couple of weeks ago how the smart stay silent and those that speak the loudest are the dumbest in the room. And then he constantly trolls with garbage like posting pictures from the last dance. Either speak up Rodgers or just shut up
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And love the guy…but he will then claim he never really said any of those things.

Cryptic and always leaves some way to claim it wasn’t what he actually says.

Im with you and the crowd that its well past time to actually speak.  This cryptic leaked stories and matching Instagram posts are tired.

 
sho nuff said:
And love the guy…but he will then claim he never really said any of those things.

Cryptic and always leaves some way to claim it wasn’t what he actually says.

Im with you and the crowd that its well past time to actually speak.  This cryptic leaked stories and matching Instagram posts are tired.
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And the fact that the retirement rumor hits the sportsbooks the Friday before Monday's shareholder meeting is no coincidence. Someone in Rodgers' camp leaked the retirement rumor.

 
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Birdie048 said:
That would set a bad precedent for the NFL in general, not just GB.  Imagine the CBA being re-written for that issue?  Owners would have a cow!  
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I do agree and would not support that from an organizational standpoint. I just wonder if that is what it would take. I mean you essentially have a Super Bowl contending team here, without Rodgers (and potentially Adams) things could get ugly. Just bizarre how this has gotten to this point. I am sure there is more to the story from both sides perspective.

 
“AARON RODGERSQB, GREEN BAY PACKERS

ProFootballTalk's Mike Florio reports "at least one team that has interest" in Aaron Rodgers believes he wants $90 million guaranteed over two years.

It explains why Rodgers rejected a five-year contract that would have made him the highest-paid quarterback. The upfront guarantees would prevent the Packers from moving on from Rodgers until at least 2023, giving him a better structure than his current deal. There continues to be conflicting reports on Rodgers, with some suggesting he wants years taken off his deal. Sitting out 2021 also remains in play for the reigning MVP.”

90 million over 2 years.

😳

packers should be like 👋🏼 

 
King of the Jungle said:
I do agree and would not support that from an organizational standpoint. I just wonder if that is what it would take. I mean you essentially have a Super Bowl contending team here, without Rodgers (and potentially Adams) things could get ugly. Just bizarre how this has gotten to this point. I am sure there is more to the story from both sides perspective.
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I think the much greater likelihood is there is much less to the story.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
I think the much greater likelihood is there is much less to the story.
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I think that is very true in the Z. Smith and Davante Adams case. I think Rodgers has played his last down in GB. But the stories that the Packers are in chaos and disarray is wishful thinking by Bears and Vikings fans. Adams will eventually resign with the Packers. Rodgers, on the other hand, is such a "complicated fellow" that the relationship is beyond repair. The man is known to hold a grudge, whether it is his draft day slight, his family, or now the Packers having the gall to plan for the future.

 
KingPrawn said:
Rodgers, on the other hand, is such a "complicated fellow" that the relationship is beyond repair. The man is known to hold a grudge, whether it is his draft day slight, his family, or now the Packers having the gall to plan for the future.
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he seems far less complicated now that he’s made his 90,000,000 guaranteed, 2 year desire known.

 
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CletiusMaximus said:
Mike Florio? 
 
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What about him...  you believe the number because - "Mike Florio"?

Or do you believe the number beyond the "per league sources one team that was interested" line?  Was Rodgers interested in that team?  

The reporting these days is embarrassing on so many occasions.  This entire Rodgers story consists of reports from anyone and everyone (but always nobody with a name) - except Rodgers.

 
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Now that Houston is listening to offers for Watson, I'd love to see GB ship the passive-aggressive drama queen to the Texans, just for the entertainment value. 

 
matuski said:
What about him...  you believe the number because - "Mike Florio"?

Or do you believe the number beyond the "per league sources one team that was interested" line?  Was Rodgers interested in that team?  

The reporting these days is embarrassing on so many occasions.  This entire Rodgers story consists of reports from anyone and everyone (but always nobody with a name) - except Rodgers.
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When you say, “he hopes the Packers” believe this reported number, you’re referring to Florio? Rodgers is in direct contact negotiations with the team through his agent David Dunn. This would be his fifth contract with the team, not counting restructures. He doesn’t have to hope they believe anything. 

 
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