socrates
Footballguy
One is pure evil. The other offended the wokesters. Which one is getting more negative press? That should tell us a lot about where we are as a society.
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
ruggs is irrelevent to football. rodgers is not.
i think that's why it seems that way. there's nothing to discuss w ruggs... deadbeat whose career is over
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
If you think there aren't people who think this, and probably a disturbing number, I'd guess you're wrong.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think you want so badly to belittle the “wokesters” that you’re not thinking critically at all.
If you really believe anyone is more angry about what Rodgers did than what Ruggs did, it may just be you that’s a little “off”.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’m out of this thread. The Shark Pool is becoming the Cesspool more and more each day.
socrates
Footballguy
The wokesters are doing enough to belittle themselves. They need no assistance from me. Carry on.
Ohh got it. For some reason I assumed you were just implying "One was Ivermectin, therefore he's an idiot". So Ivermectin is in fact a prescription drug? Wouldn't he then have been prescribed it by an actual doctor as well?
BigJim®
Footballguy
It has nothing to do with woke. That's becoming a really neat "look, shiny thing over there" deflection.
socrates
Footballguy
Fair point. Of course this has nothing to do with being "woke". That is merely the same crowd Rodgers offended. I should have chosen a less divisive term, but I believe we all understand which group of people we are discussing here.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
First off...Rodgers stuff has nothing to do with "wokesters". That is a copout from the start from him and is being played up.
The difference..on boards like this and elsewhere...is topics where people agree are going to go smoothly and be short. Because people agree.
Where topics have disagreements...they get more play, more clicks, more comments.
Ruggs has been universally condemned for his actions. There isn't a lot to say beyond that. Its not going to move the needle from a discussion standpoint. Its not going to get constant coverage. That has been the case for years and years and years. Nothing new there.
Ruggs got worse negative press than Rodgers. But may not get a higher volume of it...because controversy sells and always has.
BigJim®
Footballguy
It's really not though. Rodgers lying about his status would have been fine with me if he followed the rules he should have followed. As much as I shook my head at Cousins as a Vikes fan, it was 100% his call. Same with Josh Allen. They owned a decision they were free to make, and accepted the process consequences of the decision. There was no witch hunt. There was no woke mob. There was no cancel. These are two-bit deflection words seeking spirited defense from 25% of our population who are triggered. Passed off to deflect the simple reality.
He lied, and seemingly did not follow the protocols the NFL and NFLPA agreed to. It's as simple as that. I say seemingly because there is an investigation, but there are pretty strict road game/player gathering rules. There's video of mask-less interactions with other team players after games (e.g. Kyler Murray). There's video of a Halloween party. We'll see. Seems hard to believe he did follow strict rules, given that he already began his defense of that yesterday with "I didn’t sign a piece of paper that gave away my rights to live a normal season of life."
He's just a narcissist who wanted it both ways.
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socrates
Footballguy
Did Rodgers lie to the league about his vaccination status? The team?
How is what Rodgers did comparable to someone faking a vaccine card? That seems like a huge and unfair reach.
While I don't support the NFL protocols for unvaccinated players, I agree with your point that Rodgers was bound to follow the rules, and he appears to have not adhered to those rules. There are consequences.
There is also an abundance of criticism of Rodgers, however, for his lack of submitting to the jab. You may not agree with his views. I don't agree with many of his views. However, I applaud Rodgers for making his own informed decisions about his body and his health.
The sentiment from sports writers and from many on this board that Rodgers is crazy because he has views which differ from the mainstream is being driven by the toxic, intolerant left. Call it mob mentality. Call it cancellation. Call it a witch hunt. Call it whatever you want, but make no mistake, it is toxic.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Do you think Kyler Murray knew his status when he whispered into his face 5 days before he tested positive? I have no idea who was misled by his conduct. Do you think every other player in the NFL was in on his word-game re: "Yes, I'm immunized"? There is already indication he didn't follow the rules that would inform those around him about his actual status. Seems like his own locker room knew, I'll acknowledge that.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
The league knew. The team knew. Reports are that all NFL protocols were followed inside the football building. I don't know, but those are the reports. The NFL's investigation will let us know on that. Rodgers was guilty of not following the guide lines during press conferences. And he explained his reasoning on the radio show. As an aside, if the league had a problem with it, why didn't it say something after the first game and press conference? Unless the league didn't know. How was the league verifying players were vaccinated? Were they taking their word for it? I would think some sort of proof of vaccination card was needed. So if that is the case, the league would have known. Rodgers certainly seems to be guilty of breaking the protocols with the Halloween party as well. It's a tough call on who gets punished here and how badly.
To me, the bigger issue here is his lying about it and how it speaks to his nature and character.
To me, the bigger issue here is his lying about it and how it speaks to his nature and character.
Let's see if Rodgers caves in and gets a vaccination at some point this season. I doubt it, since his risk of reinfection should be greatly reduced.
Has he been traveling separately from the team per the NFL rules? There is also this copied from USA Today:
>>Those who are unvaccinated are designated as "high risk" close contacts when regarded as a close contact to another player or staff member on the team who tests positive. Those players must remain away from the team for five days even if asymptomatic (if symptomatic, it's the longer 10-day wait). This was the case for Allen Lazard when he was designated a close contact last week and missed the game in Arizona.<<
Has he been traveling separately from the team per the NFL rules? There is also this copied from USA Today:
>>Those who are unvaccinated are designated as "high risk" close contacts when regarded as a close contact to another player or staff member on the team who tests positive. Those players must remain away from the team for five days even if asymptomatic (if symptomatic, it's the longer 10-day wait). This was the case for Allen Lazard when he was designated a close contact last week and missed the game in Arizona.<<
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
This is a bizarre comparison.
Ridley had a problem, handled it the right way, and was straight up about it. He blamed no one else for it.
Rodgers maybe had a problem (we sure as heck can't take him at his word about it anymore) lied about it, got caught lying, lied some more, got caught again, and then went into baby defensive lashout mode and blamed everyone else for "making" him lie.
If you can't see the difference between "I have a personal issue and I am taking the steps necessary to handle it myself" and "this is all everyone else's fault. I'm awesome, everyone else sucks, they made me do it!" then I don't know what to tell you.
socrates
Footballguy
Why should he need vaccinated now if he has natural immunity? Will the league still treat him as unvaccinated, and why?
Based on the current rules, Rodgers should still be treated as unvaccinated. I would be in favor of a revision to allow an exception for a seropositive test for unvaccinated players. Beasley and others may also be seropositive.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Well, he won't get vaccinated at this point unless it is J&J, because that would just expose allergy as another lie. Probably a moot point. Lord willing he'll get through this fine, and his personality type will conclude he made the right decision and that's that. No one really knows how long natural immunity holds though. Not unlike vaccinated immunity.
Think I read he no longer requires daily testing for 90 days post infection, but the rest of the protocols remain. I don't understand why, but that is the concept agreed upon.
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
An informed decision is typically based on facts and not disinformation being peddled by social media charlatans.
I wonder how many people had their anti-vax positions and behaviors reinforced by Rodgers....that's what is really toxic.
Well, he could have been doing the horse paste. So doctor-prescribed ivermectin is not a certainty.
Being leery of the vaccines because of bs sterility talk and then going and taking horse dewormer….that would really be something!
According to Rodgers the NFL medical guru said that vaccinated people could not contract or pass Covid. IF that's true, would that be considered disinformation?
Which disinformation did he base his decision on?
Hmmmm let’s take the word of the antivax nut job who already got caught in a lie or at best twisted words in order to deceive or the expert vetted and hired by the trillion dollar organization. Tough one guys!
sho nuff
Footballguy
According to the NFL...Rodgers declined talking to the NFL medical personnel.
https://twitter.com/bylindsayhjones/status/1456716684517994497
Right, you emphasized “if” to show uncertainty in the scenario you presented. If you’re uncertain about who to believe between Rodgers and the NFL doc that says not great things about your ability to disseminate information.
A reminder that just over 1,000 people in the USA are dying daily in the USA and while numbers are going down, there is still the possibility of a seasonal winter surge in places like Wisconsin, like in 2020. In Florida, we thought it was over but then the summer Aug-Oct 2021 surge had our highest rates of ICU and deaths by far. In the local news, there were regular reports of mostly (>90%) unvaccinated people in their 40s and 50s dying with loved ones saying they had just changed their mind about the vaccine, but too late. Monoclonal antibodies is a game changer, but vaccines are an order of magnitude bigger in death prevention. Rodgers has a big platform, and yes, his views could increase vaccine hesitancy.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
IIRC the initial clinical trials indicated that the vaccines would prevent catching/spreading Covid-19.
Then the virus mutated (Delta variant) to become more infectious and deadly and the vaccines became less effective in preventing catching/spreading Covid-19 as the Delta variant was widespread. The vaccines are still extremely effective in preventing serious infections.
In short, scientific knowledge changes over time. I think its disingenuous to categorize that as disinformation.
Don’t have to be close to the paramount to have more believability than Rodgers. So we’re clear you do think it’s possible enough that we should consider that the NFL had a doctor going around telling players that vaccines would prevent all infections and spread of Covid? What likelihood would you place on that scenario?
Someone just posted that that's what the clinical trials seemed to indicate, and that was pretty much the narrative in the spring. So I'd say it's possible that happened. I don't know the exact timeline of events.
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
And even if my recollection on that is correct -AND- someone at the NFL indicated the same to Rodgers, it still doesn't validate any of the other nonsense coming out of Rodgers.
Pretty sure everyone was pumped over 90-95% effectiveness at contracting Covid and even better at preventing hospitalizations/serious illness. Not 100%. And no one knew how long the effectiveness would last for and variants were always on the radar. You’d think that Rodgers’ teams extensive research would have turned that up! Someone also posted that Rodgers declined to meet with medical personnel from the NFL. Weird you left that out.
I think there’s a couple things everyone needs to parse when it comes to Rodgers here. Do you believe he actually has an allergy to the MRNA vaccines? For me that’s a strong no. And do you believe that him ruling out the JnJ due to blood clots is reasonable and “informed”. Considering that it was paused for a total of 11 days due to 6 possible cases out of 6.6 million doses and that those cases were all females between the ages of 16 and 48 to me that’s blatantly unscientific for him to rule it out for himself.
It’s obvious to me he just didn’t want to take a vaccine for whatever reason. He says not politics but that’s probably why. Or that he never believed in the virus halting his life and he dug into that mindset from there. I know plenty of people with that mindset. Family even. But his decision damn sure isn’t scientifically sound or informed based on what he’s presented so far.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Ivermectin is only used as a horse dewormer?
I don’t think that’s true at all. I’m also pretty sure you need a prescription so a doctor would be the one to prescribe it.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Personally, I’m not going to talk about another persons medical decisions as if I have some right to do so.
Read a few posts up. My post was in response to speculation that maybe he was taking the non doctor prescribed version of Ivermectin.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Hopefully getting back to the fantasy side of things (we won't)... I'm trying to trade with the Aaron Rodgers owner in my league who is worried Arron might miss another game/get suspended. Have Russel Wilson and Taysom Hill and since Russ may come back Week 9 trying to sell him on Hill's 202 4-game stretch of 20+ FP. Maybe nab a Mike Williams from him since his only option was grabbing Jordan Love off waivers (16 team league and though you only start 1 QB, teams seem to want 2 for some reason).
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
How is it bizarre? It’s both tied to public perception and by ultimate extension team impact from a fantasy/distraction perception.
Ridley’s had the option of keeping whatever is keeping him out private. And you’re not allowed to ask or speculate, none of us know what his issue is. It may not be tied to any kind of mental illness at all. However, people, and I include myself, give a little courtesy and faith that he’s on the level and particular’s of Calvin ridley’s health are his alone. The few people that have offered judgment (some espn guy, forget who) were condemned.
Rodgers, despite his obvious wishes and intent, has been denied that courtesy. And he is free game to attack despite little substantive answers to some fairly fundamental concerns he raised.
He did not lie, the media did not pursue questioning properly. If he did lie, the league will act. Rodgers put his cards on the table In terms of what they knew. If the league calls that bluff I’ll stand corrected.
Witz
Footballguy
Reporter - Are you vaccinated and what’s your stance on vaccinations?
Aaron - Yeah, I’m immunized.
https://youtu.be/HsTwd2qSviI
You can argue he was misleading in his response or didn’t expand on it fir obvious reasons but when asked the point blank question and he starts his reply with ‘yeah’ - that’s an answer in the affirmative. Did he lie there? In my opinion yes.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Agree to disagree.
is it a cagey response? Of course. But this is all that’s needed: “To clarify Aaron, does immunized mean vaccinated?”
An extremely easy follow-up question and they didn’t do it, and by extension, they didn’t do their job. And that’s why there is all this outrage by all the talking heads, they’re covering for their own incompetence.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
What do you mean by immunized is an obvious follow up question
“I’m vaccinated” is a lie. “Im immunized” is admittedly a weasel word phrasing but it apparently satiated the Green Bay beat guys
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
