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QB Andy Dalton, CAR (1 Viewer)

Instead of worrying about what he can't do, you might pay attention to what he can do. He's a good QB in a really good situation, and while he's not a physical stud with no limitations, more often than not he's really good at playing his game.

He's my backup behind Luck in my main dynasty league, and after this week, he's the third highest scoring QB in the league behind only Manning and Brees. Rivers, Stafford, Romo, Luck, and Newton are within 15 points of him, but he's QB3 right now. Even if he had only had a solid game today, he'd be in very good company. He contributed to my championship today.

57 TD passes in the last two seasons so far. He doesn't need to have a great deep ball to be successful.

 
His total stats are impressive, no doubt. Not sure what to make of it all. He's an enigma in dynasty formats.

 
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He threw some good long balls... But if he can learn a little alex smith, he could step it up... But he takes too many chances

 
Raider Nation said:
Or short balls.... or intermediate balls.
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He makes awful decisions when under pressure. Maybe his critics were right when they said having red hair is a real concern for an NFL QB. Can a redhead really handle the pressure that comes with that position at the NFL level?

 
Ilov80s said:
Raider Nation said:
Or short balls.... or intermediate balls.
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He makes awful decisions when under pressure. Maybe his critics were right when they said having red hair is a real concern for an NFL QB. Can a redhead really handle the pressure that comes with that position at the NFL level?
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Florio just commented on that as well. It's absurd.

Back in 2011, an unnamed coach told Peter King that one of quarterback Andy Dalton’s red flags was his red hair.“Has there ever been a red-headed quarterback in the NFL who’s really done well?” the coach wondered. “It sounds idiotic, but is there any way that could be a factor? We’ve wondered.”

In a league where teams are divided between those that have franchise quarterbacks and those that are looking for a franchise quarterback, the time for wondering about Dalton arguably has ended. Based on his performance in three straight playoff losses, he’s not a franchise quarterback.

Franchise quarterbacks don’t throw two interceptions and lose a fumble and get beat by 17 points at home on a cold day in January against a West Coast team.

And so it could be time for the Bengals to look for a new quarterback, one who could become the team’s next Kenny Anderson or Boomer Esiason. With options in free agency limited (and potentially expensive), the best alternative could be the draft.

This could be the year to do it. Dalton’s contract applies for one more season at a very reasonable rate. The Bengals could target another quarterback and let Dalton and the rookie battle it out in 2014.

Finances also could be a factor. Franchise quarterbacks eventually will be paid that way, and there’s a benefit to the Bengals in having a guy who is good but not great. Now that Dalton can be signed to a new contract, the Bengals could offer him a long-term deal premised on a trio of postseason failures, allowing them to keep their guy for a lot less than what the Ravens had to pay Joe Flacco only weeks after he won the Super Bowl MVP trophy.

That’s the factor that can’t be overlooked in Cincinnati, where it may be in the estimation of owner Mike Brown sufficient to simply be competitive. Despite no playoff wins since January 1991, the Bengals continue to thrive financially. For Brown and the Bengals, perhaps it’s good enough if the Bengals are simply good enough.
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There haven't been many successful QBs who have red hair mainly because people with red hair make up about 1-2% of human population.

 
What really pisses me off is that Dalton is every bit as good a regular season QB as Flacco. But Flacco (sometimes) steps up in the big games while Dalton vomits out of fear of the spotlights.

 
Andy Dalton holding Cincinnati Bengals offense back

By Chris Wesseling

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The Cincinnati Bengals had the better team Sunday. They didn't have the better quarterback.

The Bengals entered the game undefeated at home and 4-0 against teams that made the playoffs. They exited the game with a third consecutive wild card round loss in which the offense imploded, failing to top 13 points.

With two head-scratching interceptions and a back-breaking fumble in Sunday's 27-10 loss to the Chargers, Andy Dalton now has one touchdown versus seven turnovers in a trio of January face-plants.

Dalton entered the league with a reputation as a poor man's Matt Ryan, underwhelming as a thrower but NFL-ready with plus intangibles and fundamentals. Three years later, there has been no growth. The only difference is that it's Dalton's decision-making rather than his arm strength that is preventing the Bengals offense from reaching its potential.

Although Dalton has broken numerous franchise records in an inflated era for passing stats, he has been maddeningly inconsistent in terms of ball placement, pocket presence and field vision. Thanks to the Carson Palmer windfall, a series of astute draft picks and a healthy salary-cap situation, the Bengals have built a deep roster ready to contend.

They continue to harbor the NFL's longest postseason losing streak in large part because the quarterback what cricket fans refer to as a "flat-track bully." He feasts on inferior competition while failing to elevate his game or the play of his teammates on the big stage.

Quarterback purgatory is a tricky proposition for NFL organizations. Dubious of their ability to find an upgrade, the Bills set the franchise back a few years by committing to a known mediocrity in Ryan Fitzpatrick. Armed with a quarterback propped up by his defense and ground attack, the Jets went down the rabbit hole with Mark Sanchez.

Finding himself faced with a similar conundrum, Bengals coach Marvin Lewis has doubled down on Dalton. "I don't have any questions about Andy's role," Lewis said after the game. It takes a confident, creative plan to pull an organization out of quarterback limbo.

Those bold strokes are lost on Lewis, as evidenced by his game management during his steam's five-game postseason losing skid.

Mediocrity is anathema to the NFL's best-run franchises. This one is more likely to hitch itself to Dalton's fallen star, committing to long-term morass rather than turning over every rock for an ascendent talent.
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Been saying it all year. He's not a good QB despite whatever numbers he put up. His coach doesn't even trust him to make plays. They try and wait for the defense to set the tone before they allow him to make plays. When forced to make plays under duress he folds every time. They'll never go to the next level with him. I don't care if it's his 3rd year or 13th, he doesn't have the character and play making ability.

 
dickey moe said:
AFC Tony Romo
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I think that's generous. Romo at least makes plays from natural ability. Dalton is only good when all factors seem to be in his favor.

Feel Sorry for Bengal fans as I was rooting for them this year after Hard Knocks. They had a really good team at nearly every other spot except the most important one.

 
He was in over his head today, the moment was too big for him. He choked when the game was close.

It can be chalked off this time as a learning experience but ask Romo how long it takes to be labeled a choker, especially in the playoffs. All the Int's and fumbling when nobody even hits you was embarrassing.

 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
He was in over his head today, the moment was too big for him. He choked when the game was close.

It can be chalked off this time as a learning experience but ask Romo how long it takes to be labeled a choker, especially in the playoffs. All the Int's and fumbling when nobody even hits you was embarrassing.
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This was the vaunted Charger defense though. This is his 3rd learning experience in 3 years. This time seemingly ready to take the next step....

 
I probably haven't watched more then 2 Bengal games all year but I watched today's. If any QB had that OL play the same thing would happen. Way too much pressure all game.

 
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Bigboy10182000 said:
I probably haven't watched more then 2 Bengal games all year but I watched today's. If any QB had that OL play the same thing would happen. Way too much pressure all game.
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He made a bunch of poor decisions without anyone in his face, though.
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I agree but you would think he just sheet the bed completely if you just read what people are saying. His OL was absolute trash today.

 
How come only QBs can "choke"?

What about Bernard with a really bad fumble inside the 5 and a really bad drop that would have put them in FG range at the end? What about Green letting the most important pass of the day fall to the ground because a defender managed to graze it while it was in his hands?

 
FreeBaGeL said:
How come only QBs can "choke"?

What about Bernard with a really bad fumble inside the 5 and a really bad drop that would have put them in FG range at the end? What about Green letting the most important pass of the day fall to the ground because a defender managed to graze it while it was in his hands?
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Of course others can choke but this nothing new and didn't happen for the first time today. It's a pattern over time. Make all the excuses you want but that's a qb's job, to overcome adversity, and he can't. That's why they get the interviews an the $20 mill / year. He had 3 turnovers of his own BTW.

 
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shadyridr said:
Horrible game but what exactly can they do buth ope he just keeps getting better. QBs dont grow on trees
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SF had one in Smith and Seattle signed Flynn but they still went after QBs. Wash drafted Cousins and they also drafted RG3. You go out and take shots to possibly improve. If you're theGM you can't just sit back and hope he somehow turns the corner. You have to have contingencies.

 
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Banger said:
shadyridr said:
Horrible game but what exactly can they do buth ope he just keeps getting better. QBs dont grow on trees
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SF had one in Smith and Seattle signed Flynn but they still went after QBs. Wash drafted Cousins and they also drafted RG3. You go out and take shots to possibly improve.
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ok so who? If they wanna draft a qb in the middle rounds i see no problem with that but thats still a long term solution.
 
shadyridr said:
Banger said:
shadyridr said:
Horrible game but what exactly can they do buth ope he just keeps getting better. QBs dont grow on trees
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SF had one in Smith and Seattle signed Flynn but they still went after QBs. Wash drafted Cousins and they also drafted RG3. You go out and take shots to possibly improve.
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ok so who? If they wanna draft a qb in the middle rounds i see no problem with that but thats still a long term solution.
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Don't have anyone in mind but he's not the answer as I see it so you can't stay pat. I had the same arguments about Sanchez years ago and it looks obvious now but they wasted years on him and the Bengals sound like they're taking the same road. He's their guy.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
How come only QBs can "choke"?

What about Bernard with a really bad fumble inside the 5 and a really bad drop that would have put them in FG range at the end? What about Green letting the most important pass of the day fall to the ground because a defender managed to graze it while it was in his hands?
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From another site "in either divisional or nationally televised matches, Dalton has a record of 7-12 and a QBR of 22.2. In any other game, he has an 18-7 record with a 65.4 QBR."

This is hardly one game or even just the playoffs. He's awful in any big game. You take out the 4-2 against the Browns and he's 3-10 in national games and/or against the steelers and ravens. I've watched him play a lot and he's always awful when it counts. At least Romo tends to wait until the 4th quarter, He's not even close to the qb Romo is. After 3 years, as already mentioned above, there's just no improvement at all.

 
He's an NFL backup to me. Too streaky and when he is off, he makes awful decisions. That last interception was a total rookie mistake. He should not have thrown that ball, and by now should have insight into his arm at the NFL level. Bengals need to draft a QB this year and groom that person next year with Dalton on the last year of his deal. I would not sign him again to starter money.

 
Gandalf said:
He's an NFL backup to me. Too streaky and when he is off, he makes awful decisions. That last interception was a total rookie mistake. He should not have thrown that ball, and by now should have insight into his arm at the NFL level. Bengals need to draft a QB this year and groom that person next year with Dalton on the last year of his deal. I would not sign him again to starter money.
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Maybe a bit harsh. Until I see 32 QBs better, I can't call him a backup.

That said, he sure isnt going to lead them anywhere. They might go somewhere if the defense plays well and they get some decent running. I think he is good enough where he can go through stretches of playing "ok". But it's almost impossible to go deep in the playoffs without a QB making plays for you.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I probably haven't watched more then 2 Bengal games all year but I watched today's. If any QB had that OL play the same thing would happen. Way too much pressure all game.
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He was under pressure but he had more protection yesterday than Roethlisberger has gotten in a typical week over the course of his career.

 
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I own him in a dynasty league and he's tough to value. l'd like to deal him but not sure i can get fair value. He threw for 33 TD's this year yet might not be the starter after next season.

 
Banger said:
shadyridr said:
Banger said:
shadyridr said:
Horrible game but what exactly can they do buth ope he just keeps getting better. QBs dont grow on trees
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SF had one in Smith and Seattle signed Flynn but they still went after QBs. Wash drafted Cousins and they also drafted RG3. You go out and take shots to possibly improve.
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ok so who? If they wanna draft a qb in the middle rounds i see no problem with that but thats still a long term solution.
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Don't have anyone in mind but he's not the answer as I see it so you can't stay pat. I had the same arguments about Sanchez years ago and it looks obvious now but they wasted years on him and the Bengals sound like they're taking the same road. He's their guy.
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Sanchez won 4 Road playoff games though So, years 1-2 were hadly a waste, more like a natural progression..2 More years with just a horrible supporting cast and he was out. Sanchez never had the offensive weapons Dalton has - certainly not a top 5 WR....

Never a Sanchez fan but, at least he has an excuse of just no targets at All.....

Maybe Cincy signs Sanchez as their Playoff QB?

 
ghostguy123 said:
Gandalf said:
He's an NFL backup to me. Too streaky and when he is off, he makes awful decisions. That last interception was a total rookie mistake. He should not have thrown that ball, and by now should have insight into his arm at the NFL level. Bengals need to draft a QB this year and groom that person next year with Dalton on the last year of his deal. I would not sign him again to starter money.
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Maybe a bit harsh. Until I see 32 QBs better, I can't call him a backup.

That said, he sure isnt going to lead them anywhere. They might go somewhere if the defense plays well and they get some decent running. I think he is good enough where he can go through stretches of playing "ok". But it's almost impossible to go deep in the playoffs without a QB making plays for you.
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They're definitely in "QB hell". He's obviously somewhere between "the franchise" and a total disaster. With his contract situation, you almost pray he was one or the other so you'd know what to do. It mildly amusing for people on a discussion board to say "move on" or "cut Dalton" but the reality is, a number of franchises who have swung and missed on several QBs in a row would likely love to have him...

 
Godsbrother said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
I probably haven't watched more then 2 Bengal games all year but I watched today's. If any QB had that OL play the same thing would happen. Way too much pressure all game.
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He was under pressure but he had more protection yesterday than Roethlisberger has gotten in a typical week over the course of his career.
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True but him and Ben really arent comparable as players IMO. Two different skill sets.

 
habsfan said:
ghostguy123 said:
Gandalf said:
He's an NFL backup to me. Too streaky and when he is off, he makes awful decisions. That last interception was a total rookie mistake. He should not have thrown that ball, and by now should have insight into his arm at the NFL level. Bengals need to draft a QB this year and groom that person next year with Dalton on the last year of his deal. I would not sign him again to starter money.
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Maybe a bit harsh. Until I see 32 QBs better, I can't call him a backup.

That said, he sure isnt going to lead them anywhere. They might go somewhere if the defense plays well and they get some decent running. I think he is good enough where he can go through stretches of playing "ok". But it's almost impossible to go deep in the playoffs without a QB making plays for you.
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They're definitely in "QB hell". He's obviously somewhere between "the franchise" and a total disaster. With his contract situation, you almost pray he was one or the other so you'd know what to do. It mildly amusing for people on a discussion board to say "move on" or "cut Dalton" but the reality is, a number of franchises who have swung and missed on several QBs in a row would likely love to have him...
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This

And I love how I asked who hed replace him with and he says I dunno

 
GroveDiesel said:
This graphic pretty much sums up Dalton to me: a few great games and a bunch of really really bad ones.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_Neil/status/420139375876255745?screen_name=PFF_Neil
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Interesting chart, but the numbers don't back that up at ALL

He had 5 HUGE games

@ Buffalo 26-40, 337, 3, 1

@ Detroit 24-34, 372, 3, 0

vs NY Jets 19-30, 325, 5, 1

vs Indianapolis 24-35, 275, 3, 0, plus a rushing TD

vs Minnesota 27-38, 366, 4, 0

AVERAGES - 335 yards, 3.8 TDs, 0.4 INT

He had 5 games that he scored average to slightly above average points in

@ Bears 26-33, 283, 2, 2

vs Steelers 25-45, 280, 1, 0

vs Packers 20-28, 235, 2, 1

@ Ravens, 24-51, 274, 2, 3

@ Steelers 25-44, 230, 2, 0

AVERAGES - 260 yards, 1.8 TDs, 1.2 INTs

And yes, he had 5 clunkers

Both matchups against Cleveland (He threw 3 TDs in one of them, which made the fantasy line more respectable)

New England

Miami

San Diego

He's not an elite QB, and he probably won't ever be one. He's not matchup proof. But it's laughable to me that so many people think so little of him and that the Bengals could replace him so easily.

 
Steelers4Life said:
GroveDiesel said:
This graphic pretty much sums up Dalton to me: a few great games and a bunch of really really bad ones.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_Neil/status/420139375876255745?screen_name=PFF_Neil
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Interesting chart, but the numbers don't back that up at ALL

He had 5 HUGE games

@ Buffalo 26-40, 337, 3, 1

@ Detroit 24-34, 372, 3, 0

vs NY Jets 19-30, 325, 5, 1

vs Indianapolis 24-35, 275, 3, 0, plus a rushing TD

vs Minnesota 27-38, 366, 4, 0

AVERAGES - 335 yards, 3.8 TDs, 0.4 INT

He had 5 games that he scored average to slightly above average points in

@ Bears 26-33, 283, 2, 2

vs Steelers 25-45, 280, 1, 0

vs Packers 20-28, 235, 2, 1

@ Ravens, 24-51, 274, 2, 3

@ Steelers 25-44, 230, 2, 0

AVERAGES - 260 yards, 1.8 TDs, 1.2 INTs

And yes, he had 5 clunkers

Both matchups against Cleveland (He threw 3 TDs in one of them, which made the fantasy line more respectable)

New England

Miami

San Diego

He's not an elite QB, and he probably won't ever be one. He's not matchup proof. But it's laughable to me that so many people think so little of him and that the Bengals could replace him so easily.
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One of those Cleveland games (in CIN) had some very bad wind.

Just saying.

 
Mike Brown wanted Colin Kaepernick over Andy Dalton

By Chris Wesseling

Around the League Writer

Colin Kaepernick's first four playoff performances have been among the NFL's most electric in recent seasons. Andy Dalton's three playoff losses have been among the league's most deflating.

If Cincinnati Bengals owner Mike Brown had his way, it would have been Kaepernick -- not Dalton -- leading his team to the postseason the past three seasons.

Citing Kaepernick's "unusual mobility," Brown told The Cincinnati Enquirer that he preferred the Nevada quarterback at No. 35 overall in the 2011 NFL Draft, whereas newly hired offensive coordinator Jay Gruden pushed hard for Dalton.

Although Kaepernick was physically superior in every conceivable way, he was viewed as a developmental project, while Dalton was considered "NFL ready" with pinpoint accuracy and subpar arm strength.

Leading up to the draft, Gruden couldn't hide his affinity for Dalton as a natural fit for his West Coast offense.

Three years later, the 49ers have a franchise quarterback, while the Bengals are stuck in purgatory at the position.

As owners who also call the personnel shots, Brown and Cowboys grand poobah Jerry Jones are the last of a dying breed.

Brown never has been afraid to climb out on a flimsy limb if he has a strong gut feeling on a prospect. Given his history, it's a surprise that he deferred to a novice NFL coordinator in choosing Carson Palmer's successor as the face of the franchise.

The latest "Around The League Podcast" recapped all the Wild Card Weekend action.
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He's a fair weather QB. When the defense sets the tone or there's no pressure, he can make things look easy. But when the weather turns and the pressure builds, he crumbles. I guess he's pretty much the definisiton of choker.

The last two years, playing against the Texans, you can almost excuse it becaue the Texans had a good thing going and on any give day that defense can rock you. But at home against the Chargers, you just must demand more than multiple picks and less than inspiring play.

I think they have it backwards in cincy. During the regular season they act like AJ green is the only guy on the team and force it ad naseum and then in the playoffs they make statements like "we are going to spread it around and if AJ has 4 catches and a TD against the Chargers, that's a good day." That's not how you should do it. You should be building and winning as a team during the season and then let your stars take those games over in the big spotlight (like Kaep does, like Brady does, Like receivers like Fitz did a few years ago where he pretty much pushed the Cards to the SB with great outing after great outing).

But the Bengals do it backwards and self-eliminate their best weapon as they try to get too cute. It's a different color, but it is the same animal as the Texans in how they go out and do their thing and get up on teams sometimes and then play so freaking conservative that it almost dictates a close loss at the end.

 
Rotoworld:

Marvin Lewis threw support behind embattled QB Andy Dalton.

In the wake of a third-straight Wild Card weekend loss, Dalton is under heavy fire from both fans and media. But it doesn't sound like the Bengals are going to bring in any serious competition in 2014. "He's won big games for us and he'll continue to win big games," Lewis said. "We ask a lot out of him, there's no doubt about it. He just finished his third season of doing it. I believe in his abilities." Lewis, who now has an 0-5 playoff record, is tying his own fate to Dalton's. Another first-round playoff exit and the Bengals figure to tear this thing up.


Source: bengals.com
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