QB Andy Dalton, CAR (2 Viewers)

[cvnpoka]

He's rivers but not as good

He's like a young Carson Palmer, only a little worse.

All the same. Fine if everything is good. Good protection, good talent he can make a play but if he has to move 2 feet everything breaks down. Can't handle pressure or adversity.

You can say the same thing about Brady and Manning.

manning makes his decisions so quick that he does not have to deal with pressure. surely you already knew that tho.

I guess you missed some of his playoff games or even his last 2 games.

well, for some reason, i am basing that assessment on his whole body of work. ya see, he has played many more games than those.

tho, i think you realize that and dont need it spelled out and are just trolling here. but if not, i will try to help you and others understand. please look up mannings sack rate and realize what it means.

 

[Banger]

i mean, dalton is obv a lot better than sanchez. and he has his moments. but i dont trust him. he holds onto the ball way too long. he misses way too many deep tds to green. doesnt have the arm to throw an out.

he is surrounded by a ton of talent and he is pretty good at utilizing it when things are going well.

Now it's obvious but this argument went on plenty years ago. Sanchez was in the playoffs, led good teams and went to the afc championship game. I always thought he sucked despite many arguments.

 

[msudaisy26]

He's rivers but not as good

He's like a young Carson Palmer, only a little worse.

All the same. Fine if everything is good. Good protection, good talent he can make a play but if he has to move 2 feet everything breaks down. Can't handle pressure or adversity.

You can say the same thing about Brady and Manning.

manning makes his decisions so quick that he does not have to deal with pressure. surely you already knew that tho.

I guess you missed some of his playoff games or even his last 2 games.

He's won a Super Bowl. Has dalton won a playoff game? He may get lucky and pull this game out but this team is a playoff team in spite of him.

Peyton has been in the league 15 or 16 years Dalton is going on his 3rd.

Peyton Manning's first 3 years

1998 - missed the playoffs

1999 - 19 - 42 227 yards and 1 rushing td in a loss

2000 - 17 - 32 194 yards 1 td in a loss

Manning's Super Bowl year

vs Chiefs 30 - 38 268 yards 1 touchdown 3 picks

vs Ravens 15 - 30 170 yards 0 touchdowns 2 picks

vs Patriots 27 - 47 348 yards 1 touchdown 1 pick

vs Bears 25 - 38 247 yards 1 touchdown 1 pick

Talk about your team dragging you to a super bowl

 

[drummer]

Anybody putting Dalton and Sanchez in the same sentence is on the pipe and has no friends other than his dealer, who hates him too.

 

[cvnpoka]

equally hyperbolic and meaningless is comparing him to manning

 

[drummer]

equally hyperbolic and meaningless is comparing him to manning

Therefore this thread is now ####. Good job.

 

[msudaisy26]

equally hyperbolic and meaningless is comparing him to manning

I never compared him to Manning. I just said even the great ones like Manning and Brady struggle when you get pressure on them.

 

[Banger]

He's rivers but not as good

He's like a young Carson Palmer, only a little worse.

All the same. Fine if everything is good. Good protection, good talent he can make a play but if he has to move 2 feet everything breaks down. Can't handle pressure or adversity.

You can say the same thing about Brady and Manning.

manning makes his decisions so quick that he does not have to deal with pressure. surely you already knew that tho.

I guess you missed some of his playoff games or even his last 2 games.

He's won a Super Bowl. Has dalton won a playoff game? He may get lucky and pull this game out but this team is a playoff team in spite of him.

Peyton has been in the league 15 or 16 years Dalton is going on his 3rd.

Peyton Manning's first 3 years

1998 - missed the playoffs

1999 - 19 - 42 227 yards and 1 rushing td in a loss

2000 - 17 - 32 194 yards 1 td in a loss

Manning's Super Bowl year

vs Chiefs 30 - 38 268 yards 1 touchdown 3 picks

vs Ravens 15 - 30 170 yards 0 touchdowns 2 picks

vs Patriots 27 - 47 348 yards 1 touchdown 1 pick

vs Bears 25 - 38 247 yards 1 touchdown 1 pick

Talk about your team dragging you to a super bowl

Ok. You've convinced me, he's better than manning.

 

[cvnpoka]

and those great ones deal with pressure a ton better. that is why they are great. manning has a miniscule sack rate not bc he has played his entire career with an elite oline, but bc he makes lightning fast decisions and gets rid of the ball before pressure can materialize.

 

[msudaisy26]

and those great ones deal with pressure a ton better. that is why they are great. manning has a miniscule sack rate not bc he has played his entire career with an elite oline, but bc he makes lightning fast decisions and gets rid of the ball before pressure can materialize.

He has played with a very good O line for his entire career, yes he does make quick decisions, but he didn't do that all the time his first 3 years.

I am not comparing Dalton to Manning. I would say there is a 99.9 percent chance he will never be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but last time I looked teams won super bowls with average to above average quarterbacks.

How did Brady and the Patriots lose to the Giants in 2007 super bowl? pressure on the quarterback

How did the Giants beat the Packers when they were 15 - 1? pressure on Aaron Rodgers

Pressure on the quarterback is how you make great quarterbacks look bad, and average to above average quarterbacks look like Josh Freeman

 

[Banger]

and those great ones deal with pressure a ton better. that is why they are great. manning has a miniscule sack rate not bc he has played his entire career with an elite oline, but bc he makes lightning fast decisions and gets rid of the ball before pressure can materialize.

He has played with a very good O line for his entire career, yes he does make quick decisions, but he didn't do that all the time his first 3 years.

I am not comparing Dalton to Manning. I would say there is a 99.9 percent chance he will never be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but last time I looked teams won super bowls with average to above average quarterbacks.

How did Brady and the Patriots lose to the Giants in 2007 super bowl? pressure on the quarterback

How did the Giants beat the Packers when they were 15 - 1? pressure on Aaron Rodgers

Pressure on the quarterback is how you make great quarterbacks look bad, and average to above average quarterbacks look like Josh Freeman

Dalton is far from a great qb.

 

[msudaisy26]

and those great ones deal with pressure a ton better. that is why they are great. manning has a miniscule sack rate not bc he has played his entire career with an elite oline, but bc he makes lightning fast decisions and gets rid of the ball before pressure can materialize.

He has played with a very good O line for his entire career, yes he does make quick decisions, but he didn't do that all the time his first 3 years.

I am not comparing Dalton to Manning. I would say there is a 99.9 percent chance he will never be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but last time I looked teams won super bowls with average to above average quarterbacks.

How did Brady and the Patriots lose to the Giants in 2007 super bowl? pressure on the quarterback

How did the Giants beat the Packers when they were 15 - 1? pressure on Aaron Rodgers

Pressure on the quarterback is how you make great quarterbacks look bad, and average to above average quarterbacks look like Josh Freeman

Dalton is far from a great qb.

I never said he was

 

[cvnpoka]

and those great ones deal with pressure a ton better. that is why they are great. manning has a miniscule sack rate not bc he has played his entire career with an elite oline, but bc he makes lightning fast decisions and gets rid of the ball before pressure can materialize.

He has played with a very good O line for his entire career, yes he does make quick decisions, but he didn't do that all the time his first 3 years.

manning makes his oline look much better than it is. and his first 3 yrs in the league his sack rates were 3.7, 2.6, 2.4.

the indy qbs the yr before manning got there combined for a sack rate of 10.7. in 2011 it was 6.2, in 2012 (luck) it was 6.1. the yr before he got to denver it was 8.9.

manning makes his oline look good bc he throws the ball before he can get sacked.

 

[massraider]

Pretty sure the main reason I don't like him is that he's a ginger.

I think the Bengals can win with him. Maybe not because of him, but with him.

 

[msudaisy26]

and those great ones deal with pressure a ton better. that is why they are great. manning has a miniscule sack rate not bc he has played his entire career with an elite oline, but bc he makes lightning fast decisions and gets rid of the ball before pressure can materialize.

He has played with a very good O line for his entire career, yes he does make quick decisions, but he didn't do that all the time his first 3 years.

manning makes his oline look much better than it is. and his first 3 yrs in the league his sack rates were 3.7, 2.6, 2.4.

the indy qbs the yr before manning got there combined for a sack rate of 10.7. in 2011 it was 6.2, in 2012 (luck) it was 6.1. the yr before he got to denver it was 8.9.

manning makes his oline look good bc he throws the ball before he can get sacked.

Different style of quafferbacks. Both Luck and Harbaugh held the ball longer because they both would scramble. Manning was never that type.

 

[maf005]

and those great ones deal with pressure a ton better. that is why they are great. manning has a miniscule sack rate not bc he has played his entire career with an elite oline, but bc he makes lightning fast decisions and gets rid of the ball before pressure can materialize.

He has played with a very good O line for his entire career, yes he does make quick decisions, but he didn't do that all the time his first 3 years.

I am not comparing Dalton to Manning. I would say there is a 99.9 percent chance he will never be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but last time I looked teams won super bowls with average to above average quarterbacks.

How did Brady and the Patriots lose to the Giants in 2007 super bowl? pressure on the quarterback

How did the Giants beat the Packers when they were 15 - 1? pressure on Aaron Rodgers

Pressure on the quarterback is how you make great quarterbacks look bad, and average to above average quarterbacks look like Josh Freeman

Yea this is far from the truth. His last few years in Indy he was working with a bottom 5 unit, consitently decimated by injuries.

The Tarik Glenn years the Indy oline was dominant but after his retirement it was never really the same. People thought of it as better than it actually was because the Manning bump wasn't a known concept yet

 

[T with T]

Dalton had a chance to let the ball go quickly to the right side he had a wide open Marvin Jones cutting toward the middle of the field and just seemed to hold on to it Way to long. Your at the 1 yard line and he just took it and ate it. He should have did a dance first... Fn idiot. He throws that ball to a WIDE open Marvin Jones and he may still be running.... Dalton decision making isn't quick and comparing him to manning is absurd.

 

[Warrior]

and those great ones deal with pressure a ton better. that is why they are great. manning has a miniscule sack rate not bc he has played his entire career with an elite oline, but bc he makes lightning fast decisions and gets rid of the ball before pressure can materialize.

He has played with a very good O line for his entire career

Absolutely, positively false.

X

His Indy O-line magically turned to garbage the second he went down for the season. They weren't any good, they just looked good because of his quick decision making and ability to avoid sacks. They were bottom of the league the second he went down to the end of that season.

 

[cvnpoka]

jeez, thanks guys. that msu dude makes me crazy. to just completely dismiss manning's ability to get rid of the ball quickly as style quirk and credit his lack of sacks and pressure to the oline. its just, i dont even.

 

[msudaisy26]

and those great ones deal with pressure a ton better. that is why they are great. manning has a miniscule sack rate not bc he has played his entire career with an elite oline, but bc he makes lightning fast decisions and gets rid of the ball before pressure can materialize.

He has played with a very good O line for his entire career

Absolutely, positively false.

X

His Indy O-line magically turned to garbage the second he went down for the season. They weren't any good, they just looked good because of his quick decision making and ability to avoid sacks. They were bottom of the league the second he went down to the end of that season.

So Manning's line stinks when he didn't play that season? How does that work? You can't count that O-line as being bad for him when he didn't play behind it. I didn't follow the Colts that close but the lines he had were very good with guys like Tarik Glen, and Jeff Saturday.

Back to the point, since I never said Dalton would become Manning. He is a good young quarterback with weapons around him, his deep ball is bad but every quarterback in the league has some flaws, give him time to develop.

 

[Banger]

and those great ones deal with pressure a ton better. that is why they are great. manning has a miniscule sack rate not bc he has played his entire career with an elite oline, but bc he makes lightning fast decisions and gets rid of the ball before pressure can materialize.

He has played with a very good O line for his entire career

Absolutely, positively false.

X

His Indy O-line magically turned to garbage the second he went down for the season. They weren't any good, they just looked good because of his quick decision making and ability to avoid sacks. They were bottom of the league the second he went down to the end of that season.

So Manning's line stinks when he didn't play that season? How does that work? You can't count that O-line as being bad for him when he didn't play behind it. I didn't follow the Colts that close but the lines he had were very good with guys like Tarik Glen, and Jeff Saturday.

Back to the point, since I never said Dalton would become Manning. He is a good young quarterback with weapons around him, his deep ball is bad but every quarterback in the league has some flaws, give him time to develop.

Bloom was talking on the podcasts this week how within the org they were questioning whether dalton was the guy recently. Maybe it quieted down with his recent string but I'm sure a lot of that "improvement" was wiped out somewhat from his latest effort. Dalton is in the absolute perfect situation this year (prob top 2-3 in the league in terms of line, offensive talent, defense, division) and he's doing pretty well but it's largely in spite of him and not because of him.

 

[T with T]

Andy Dalton fn sucks... he blew that game for them yesterday. IDIOT I swear. Cinci should go for a qb in this draft class of 14.....

 

[msudaisy26]

and those great ones deal with pressure a ton better. that is why they are great. manning has a miniscule sack rate not bc he has played his entire career with an elite oline, but bc he makes lightning fast decisions and gets rid of the ball before pressure can materialize.

He has played with a very good O line for his entire career

Absolutely, positively false.

X

His Indy O-line magically turned to garbage the second he went down for the season. They weren't any good, they just looked good because of his quick decision making and ability to avoid sacks. They were bottom of the league the second he went down to the end of that season.

So Manning's line stinks when he didn't play that season? How does that work? You can't count that O-line as being bad for him when he didn't play behind it. I didn't follow the Colts that close but the lines he had were very good with guys like Tarik Glen, and Jeff Saturday.

Back to the point, since I never said Dalton would become Manning. He is a good young quarterback with weapons around him, his deep ball is bad but every quarterback in the league has some flaws, give him time to develop.

Bloom was talking on the podcasts this week how within the org they were questioning whether dalton was the guy recently. Maybe it quieted down with his recent string but I'm sure a lot of that "improvement" was wiped out somewhat from his latest effort. Dalton is in the absolute perfect situation this year (prob top 2-3 in the league in terms of line, offensive talent, defense, division) and he's doing pretty well but it's largely in spite of him and not because of him.

I find this hard to believe coming from an organization that has employed Marvin Lewis for the last 11 years and until a 6 - 3 start this year had a sub .500 record with 0 playoffs wins.

 

[msudaisy26]

I can't believe not a single bump on this thread when Dalton played like crap today. Oh wait yes I can, because all the Dalton haters only care about Green getting stats for their fantasy team. So even though Dalton sucked today none of the haters care because Green got his.

 

[spider321]

I can't believe not a single bump on this thread when Dalton played like crap today. Oh wait yes I can, because all the Dalton haters only care about Green getting stats for their fantasy team. So even though Dalton sucked today none of the haters care because Green got his.

I plead guilty, your honor.

...but Dalton does really suck.

 

[Banger]

I can't believe not a single bump on this thread when Dalton played like crap today. Oh wait yes I can, because all the Dalton haters only care about Green getting stats for their fantasy team. So even though Dalton sucked today none of the haters care because Green got his.

I was going to but what's the point. It's obvious that he stinks. They are going nowhere with him despite all the other talent that surrounds him on this team.

 

[Steelers4Life]

He didn't have a good game at all, but his offensive line was manhandled all game long and he felt pressure even when it wasn't there.

The Ravens defense brought a ton of pressure and he didn't have many opportunities to sit comfortably in the pocket.

I don't think he sucks at all. I just don't think he's the type to make anyone around him better.

 

[Banger]

He didn't have a good game at all, but his offensive line was manhandled all game long and he felt pressure even when it wasn't there.

The Ravens defense brought a ton of pressure and he didn't have many opportunities to sit comfortably in the pocket.

I don't think he sucks at all. I just don't think he's the type to make anyone around him better.

Ok so he's good when everything around him is good but bad when he has to improvise or make plays when things break down. Most nfl qb's can succeed in optimal conditions.

 

[Steelers4Life]

He didn't have a good game at all, but his offensive line was manhandled all game long and he felt pressure even when it wasn't there.

The Ravens defense brought a ton of pressure and he didn't have many opportunities to sit comfortably in the pocket.

I don't think he sucks at all. I just don't think he's the type to make anyone around him better.

Ok so he's good when everything around him is good but bad when he has to improvise or make plays when things break down. Most nfl qb's can succeed in optimal conditions.

No, if you watched the game today, you'd have seen a guy who was under far more than a normal amount of pressure. The Bengals' offensive line had no answers... the knew they'd get pressure, jammed the receivers, and took away all of his options.

I think he's a pretty average NFL QB, but not a true difference maker. You can give a QB as many weapons as you want, but if his OL can't block for him or give him any time, they don't matter.

 

[cheese]

He didn't have a good game at all, but his offensive line was manhandled all game long and he felt pressure even when it wasn't there.

The Ravens defense brought a ton of pressure and he didn't have many opportunities to sit comfortably in the pocket.

I don't think he sucks at all. I just don't think he's the type to make anyone around him better.

Ok so he's good when everything around him is good but bad when he has to improvise or make plays when things break down. Most nfl qb's can succeed in optimal conditions.

No, if you watched the game today, you'd have seen a guy who was under far more than a normal amount of pressure. The Bengals' offensive line had no answers... the knew they'd get pressure, jammed the receivers, and took away all of his options.

I think he's a pretty average NFL QB, but not a true difference maker. You can give a QB as many weapons as you want, but if his OL can't block for him or give him any time, they don't matter.

The Bengals shouldn't be throwing the ball 50+ times a game. That's a big reason for all the pass rush. Some of it is because they got down 17, but even when they had chances to run, they relied on the pass.

I think you will see the Bengals return to the run game after seeing how these last 2 weeks went.

 

[Faust]

Monday Observations: Dalton's regression raises questions about QBJason La Canfora

Excerpt:

What do we make of Andy Dalton now?

The Bengals' much-maligned quarterback, after being named the AFC Offensive Player of the Month for October, has taken a significant tumble. In the process his club has allowed the rest of the AFC North to catch up. On a day when the Cincinnati defense was fairly dominant -- eliminating any chance the Ravens could run the ball and negating the pass much of Sunday -- and on a day that Joe Flacco struggled and on a day the Bengals benefitted from a ridiculous Hail Mary pass-cum-tip-drill-gone-awry for Baltimore, Dalton still did more than enough to undermine his team's chance to win.

In doing so, he gave the Ravens' season new life. The Steelers remain alive as well. The Browns, well, the Browns could make things even more interesting should their premier defense cull another sloppy performance out of Dalton next week. Coming into the season, I loved the Bengals' roster. Considered it perhaps the AFC's best at every position except for quarterback. Like many others, I wondered if Dalton was ready to take a leap forward. After the Bengals' meek exits from the past two postseasons, did Marvin Lewis' team have what it would take to reach postseason glory?

The past two weeks would say no. Hell no.

Dalton has thrown six interceptions in games at Miami and Baltimore that were quite winnable, even with stud defensive tackle Geno Atkins joining the ranks of their injured defenders. Dalton has thrown them at the worst times possible in many unforgiveable ways, and you have to wonder if he's a little rattled now and if this team can rally in the second half of the season. They remain in first place, but this was an opportunity to put real distance between them and the rest of the division, and they failed.

Dalton's three interceptions against the Dolphins, and the game-ending sack he took in overtime, prevented Cincinnati from coming away with a victory in Week 9. And Sunday, with the Ravens reeling and their offense sputtering and the team pretty much begging the Bengals to stay in the game and then ultimately win it, Dalton suffered.

Consider that at halftime his team trailed 17-0, with his turnovers again a major story. Baltimore didn't have any yardage to speak of, but benefitted from the odd big play and good field position to grab control. Make no mistake, the Ravens' season most definitely was on the line. The defending Super Bowl champs are barely breathing at 4-5, and 1-2 in the division after losing at Cleveland in Week 9 coming out of the bye. This game was there for the taking. Instead the Bengals, and their quarterback, just kept handing it back.

In the first half Sunday, Dalton was 8 for 21 for 47 yards, an interception and a rating of 26.5. His team was 2 of 9 on third-down conversions. And Dalton's first interception, where he found the safety but missed his receiver badly, resulted in a Ravens touchdown the 17-0 lead.

The Bengals seemed like they would grab some momentum early in the second half, scoring on the opening drive to make it 17-3. After a quick Ravens drive, the Bengals took over in great field position ... and Dalton tossed an interception on first down. Ravens corner Lardarius Web deserves a ton of credit for prying the ball away, but that turnover would end up looming large in such a close game.

When Cincinnati was in position to put the Ravens out of their misery in the final two minutes, or at least tie the game, he again misfired, throwing his third pick. That should have ended it, but Baltimore's anemic offense faltered and Dalton got the chance for the desperation heave that ended up in A.J. Green's hands in the end zone.

Even then the Bengals could not cash in. They stalled around midfield in overtime, Baltimore won on a field goal and, undoubtedly, big questions will be asked of Dalton again this week. He has attempted a shocking 104 passes the past two weeks since a blowout victory over Jets. The Bengals might be in a bit of an identity crisis.

He has completed only 56 of those 104 passes with two touchdowns (one of them the Hail Mary) and six picks for a rating of 54. This team may be talented ... but not nearly deep enough and good enough to overcome that sort of play from the most important position. Too many times Dalton throws lazy, wobbling balls on sideline routes, allowing defenders to jump routes and get their hands on the ball, like Ravens corner Jimmy Smith did on a late pass on third-and-11.

The Bengals were 2 for 14 on third down before Dalton's alert scramble prolonged a drive late in the game. On a day when Flacco was poor, Dalton seemed intent on being worse, from start to finish. That Week 12 bye is looking pretty good right about now. With the Chargers, Colts, Steelers, Ravens and Vikings down the stretch, the Bengals are going to have to go ahead and win this division after all. A few teams tried to give it to them in October, but it wasn't meant to be. Dalton, eligible for a new contract after the season, will be one of the most scrutinized players in the league down the stretch as the Bengals seek not just a team-record third straight playoff berth, but some big wins in January as well.

 

[The_Man]

I think Dalton would flourish in a dome, like Matt Ryan and Brees (though I'm not saying he's nearly as good). In good conditions, he is accurate and decisive.

But he is miscast as an AFC North QB. You've got to have the arm strength to throw through strong winds like yesterday, and like he'll face home and in the division for the rest of the season. You also have to be able to stand in there vs. marauding defenses and not make the killing mistake. In the AFC North, a punt is usually a good play. Pin your opponent back, and let your own marauding defense make life difficult for the opposing QB. Accept that the game is going to be ugly, and that very often scoring 17 points without turning the ball over will be good enough to win.

The quintessential AFC North QB is Roethlisberger. Flacco's not far behind. Their real-life and particularly their fantasy stats stink. But it's not a coincidence both guys have won Super Bowls. They know what their role is in helping their teams win.

Dalton doesn't have nearly the arm strength. He's making too many mistakes. And though he's listed at 6-2, I'm not sure he can stand up physically to another beating like he took yesterday, with games vs. all 3 divisional rivals left. Get him to a dome and/or a less physical division and he'll be an outstanding QB. But I'm not sold on him taking an AFC North team far.

 

[Banger]

I think Dalton would flourish in a dome, like Matt Ryan and Brees (though I'm not saying he's nearly as good). In good conditions, he is accurate and decisive.

But he is miscast as an AFC North QB. You've got to have the arm strength to throw through strong winds like yesterday, and like he'll face home and in the division for the rest of the season. You also have to be able to stand in there vs. marauding defenses and not make the killing mistake. In the AFC North, a punt is usually a good play. Pin your opponent back, and let your own marauding defense make life difficult for the opposing QB. Accept that the game is going to be ugly, and that very often scoring 17 points without turning the ball over will be good enough to win.

The quintessential AFC North QB is Roethlisberger. Flacco's not far behind. Their real-life and particularly their fantasy stats stink. But it's not a coincidence both guys have won Super Bowls. They know what their role is in helping their teams win.

Dalton doesn't have nearly the arm strength. He's making too many mistakes. And though he's listed at 6-2, I'm not sure he can stand up physically to another beating like he took yesterday, with games vs. all 3 divisional rivals left. Get him to a dome and/or a less physical division and he'll be an outstanding QB. But I'm not sold on him taking an AFC North team far.

good post and I don't disagree with what you are saying but most qb's would do better playing in a dome vs. playing in elements.

So basically, Dalton would be good/great if surrounded by top flight talent, his line is good/great and gives him a good pocket to throw in and gives him time, he plays behind a good/great defense and plays in a dome. I think 25 qbs in the NFL would succeed under those conditions.

 

[msudaisy26]

Quarterbacks have bad weeks, they have bad weeks back to back. I suppose Andrew Luck should be cut for his game yesterday, or RG3 should be cut because he hasn't played that well this year, how about Kaepernick, Wilson, Brady, Eli, Flacco, Ryan, Tannehill, Romo, Cam, Locker, Roethlisberger

This thread is useless because it was started because a quarterback has weakness. What a shock they all do. Then it turned into a bunch of whinny AJ Green owners that are angry because they think he should catching a 50 yard touchdown bomb every week.

 

[Banger]

Quarterbacks have bad weeks, they have bad weeks back to back. I suppose Andrew Luck should be cut for his game yesterday, or RG3 should be cut because he hasn't played that well this year, how about Kaepernick, Wilson, Brady, Eli, Flacco, Ryan, Tannehill, Romo, Cam, Locker, Roethlisberger

This thread is useless because it was started because a quarterback has weakness. What a shock they all do. Then it turned into a bunch of whinny AJ Green owners that are angry because they think he should catching a 50 yard touchdown bomb every week.

no doubt they have bad weeks/good weeks throughout the season. I would probably take every QB on your list over Dalton with the possible exception of Locker at this point....I like what I've seen in flashes but injuries are concerning.

I like the Bengals and would like to see them do well but there are a bunch of people that think Dalton is a good QB and I disagree. I think he's going to end up being like Matt Schaub....he'll be good enough to keep the job as he'll show those flashes once in a while but not good enough to win games when you need your QB to win it when push comes to shove (playoff / super bowl wise). They'll stick with him too long and their window to win it, which is here right now, will go and it will be an opportunity wasted. I get it that you can't go to the QB tree and pick one off and plug him in and they are likely stuck unless he gets injured.

 

[voiceofunreason]

He didn't have a good game at all, but his offensive line was manhandled all game long and he felt pressure even when it wasn't there.

The Ravens defense brought a ton of pressure and he didn't have many opportunities to sit comfortably in the pocket.

I don't think he sucks at all. I just don't think he's the type to make anyone around him better.

Ok so he's good when everything around him is good but bad when he has to improvise or make plays when things break down. Most nfl qb's can succeed in optimal conditions.

No, if you watched the game today, you'd have seen a guy who was under far more than a normal amount of pressure. The Bengals' offensive line had no answers... the knew they'd get pressure, jammed the receivers, and took away all of his options.

I think he's a pretty average NFL QB, but not a true difference maker. You can give a QB as many weapons as you want, but if his OL can't block for him or give him any time, they don't matter.

Teams couldn't blitz the crap out of them if he could make them pay for it. People can say what they want, the sooner they demote him and start the search for a new qb the better. Not only is he average, he's a huge choker. I'd be interested to see his stats in nationally televised games and games against the Steelers and Ravens. Against bad teams in irrelevant games he's pretty good but turn up the pressure and he's practically Ponder bad.

 

[spider321]

I want to tryout for his spot.

I've never played organized football, but surely I'd make a better NFL QB than Andy Dalton.

 

[bcat01]

The thread title needs changed to "Inability to throw ball"

 

[Steelers4Life]

The thread title needs changed to "Inability to throw ball"

A WR stopped his route on the first INT

The 2nd one was a bad throw to the inside on an out route

The TD was a beautiful touch pass with pressure in his face over Gresham's shoulder and before the safety made it over

 

[spider321]

Every good play for the Bengals is because of Andy Dalton's greatness.

Every bad play for the Bengals is someone else's fault.

 

[cvnpoka]

I can't believe not a single bump on this thread when Dalton played like crap today. Oh wait yes I can, because all the Dalton haters only care about Green getting stats for their fantasy team. So even though Dalton sucked today none of the haters care because Green got his.

I was going to but what's the point. It's obvious that he stinks. They are going nowhere with him despite all the other talent that surrounds him on this team.

ya this. i dont even own green. guess I coulda came back here and gloated with the i told ya sos like the rest of this board does but thats not my thing.

 

[drummer]

I can't believe not a single bump on this thread when Dalton played like crap today. Oh wait yes I can, because all the Dalton haters only care about Green getting stats for their fantasy team. So even though Dalton sucked today none of the haters care because Green got his.

I was going to but what's the point. It's obvious that he stinks. They are going nowhere with him despite all the other talent that surrounds him on this team.

LOOK AT ME! I'M A TROLL!

 

[Steelers4Life]

Every good play for the Bengals is because of Andy Dalton's greatness.

Every bad play for the Bengals is someone else's fault.

You might want to read what I write before trying unsuccessfully to be funny.

First INT wasn't really his fault, the second one was. He's now thrown 2 TD passes that showed a lot of touch, too.

He has his limitations, but for whatever reason people want to jump all over him because he's not a stud. I'm a Steelers fan, so personally I wish he'd suck as much as some want to believe he does.

 

[spider321]

Every good play for the Bengals is because of Andy Dalton's greatness.

Every bad play for the Bengals is someone else's fault.

You might want to read what I write before trying unsuccessfully to be funny.

First INT wasn't really his fault, the second one was. He's now thrown 2 TD passes that showed a lot of touch, too.

He has his limitations, but for whatever reason people want to jump all over him because he's not a stud. I'm a Steelers fan, so personally I wish he'd suck as much as some want to believe he does.

Your wish has been granted.

 

[T with T]

Ok we can all agree that he sucks... Isn't that great guys......

 

[Banger]

did he throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field at any point last night besides the final play of the game where AJ ran 35 yards or so downfield? Seemed like nearly every pass was right around the line of scrimmage.

They better hope for a home game where everything goes right if they want to win a playoff game.....

 

[The_Man]

But he is miscast as an AFC North QB. You've got to have the arm strength to throw through strong winds like yesterday, and like he'll face home and in the division for the rest of the season.

As soon as I saw there were high winds, I knew Dalton would be in trouble. Giving up 14 points via special teams didn't help, but there was no way he was going to outscore Roethlisberger last night. Stark contrast between Dalton and a what a guy who wins AFC North games in December looked like last night. No way could he throw more than 10 yards downfield in those conditions.

 

[QuizGuy66]

did he throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field at any point last night besides the final play of the game where AJ ran 35 yards or so downfield? Seemed like nearly every pass was right around the line of scrimmage.

They better hope for a home game where everything goes right if they want to win a playoff game.....

Per ESPN (Passes described as "deep")

Dalton 4/17 2 INT (one of those 17 actually was a defensive PI so it's the equivalent of 5/16)

Roethlisberger 1/5 with 1 INT.

Neither great. Windy night. Being down like a million nothing early didn't help in that regard. Dalton had to throw into the wind all night. Ben didn't.

The pass protection was not good for the Bengals either which didn't help matters.

Anyhow the point was he threw deep more than once.

-QG

 

[Banger]

did he throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field at any point last night besides the final play of the game where AJ ran 35 yards or so downfield? Seemed like nearly every pass was right around the line of scrimmage.

They better hope for a home game where everything goes right if they want to win a playoff game.....

Per ESPN (Passes described as "deep")

Dalton 4/17 2 INT (one of those 17 actually was a defensive PI so it's the equivalent of 5/16)

Roethlisberger 1/5 with 1 INT.

Neither great. Windy night. Being down like a million nothing early didn't help in that regard. Dalton had to throw into the wind all night. Ben didn't.

The pass protection was not good for the Bengals either which didn't help matters.

Anyhow the point was he threw deep more than once.

-QG

good post..thanks...would be interested to see how they define deep.

 

[Faust]

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