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QB Baker Mayfield, TB (2 Viewers)

You have a tendency to go overboard serious on this stuff.   :mellow:

And yet my position remains the same.. lets see what happens when teams are prepping for him.  :yes:  

It isn't me versus PFF.  It is hyperbole versus common sense.
You are common sense and everyone else is hyperbole.  Gotcha. 

 
You have a tendency to go overboard serious on this stuff.   :mellow:

And yet my position remains the same.. lets see what happens when teams are prepping for him.  :yes:  

It isn't me versus PFF.  It is hyperbole versus common sense.
Well coached teams will use film of Mayfield to try and spot tendencies, I agree. They always have. Poorly coached teams will do the same but will Favre it up in the replay room 'yeah, I see what you are talking about'. Seems to take about 4-6 games before a good team exposes flaws.

Brett Favre had no idea what a nickel defense was:

"Finally, I said, 'I just gotta know.' So I said, 'Ty, I gotta ask you a question.' And Ty was about as goofy as I was.

"He says, 'What's that?'

"I said, 'What's a nickel defense?'

"He gets real quiet. He says, 'Are you serious?'

"'Yeah, I'm serious.'

"He says, 'Well, they basically take out a linebacker and bring in a DB.'

"I said, 'That's it?'

"He said, 'That's it.'

"I said, 'Who gives a s--t?'" :lmao:

Favre was awesome and Mayfield will be as well. Glad I own him and Wentz.

 
You are common sense and everyone else is hyperbole.  Gotcha. 
The guy has played one half of football in the NFL.. my suggestion against the very clear and in many cases out of control hyperbole (BEST RATING EVER!!!!) is to step back and give it time to tell a more complete story.

Why this is getting under your skin is a mystery to me. :shrug:

 
So I'm going to try and derail the pride arguments and ask: What do we think about Baker fantasy-football wise?

I realize that in redraft he's probably an afterthought with so many QB options out there, but I play in a keeper league where we get to keep 1 rookie each year. Not to get into Assistant Coach territory, but I'm interested what those in dynasty/keeper are thinking on him.

I have to admit, especially with my QB struggling I'm intrigued. He looked as good as one can look in their first game IMO.

 
I'm confident any thing D's do, Mayfield will be able to correct it and counter it.
Entirely possible, and I hope so.  The kid is fun to watch.

I would just like to see more before jumping on board with all of these wild claims and comps and cherry picked stats/ratings.  

 
So I'm going to try and derail the pride arguments and ask: What do we think about Baker fantasy-football wise?

I realize that in redraft he's probably an afterthought with so many QB options out there, but I play in a keeper league where we get to keep 1 rookie each year. Not to get into Assistant Coach territory, but I'm interested what those in dynasty/keeper are thinking on him.

I have to admit, especially with my QB struggling I'm intrigued. He looked as good as one can look in their first game IMO.
Dynasty star potential, which is why I really was wanting him to go to New Orleans, where he would be in a dome and have good weather in FF playoff time.  Things I look for he has other than ideal height. He can move around the pocket. He has a strong arm & a quick release. He can spot open receivers while scanning the field. Looks down field while scrambling. Student of the game. Pretty sure he can already read an NFL defense.

 
So I'm going to try and derail the pride arguments and ask: What do we think about Baker fantasy-football wise?

I realize that in redraft he's probably an afterthought with so many QB options out there, but I play in a keeper league where we get to keep 1 rookie each year. Not to get into Assistant Coach territory, but I'm interested what those in dynasty/keeper are thinking on him.

I have to admit, especially with my QB struggling I'm intrigued. He looked as good as one can look in their first game IMO.
It would depend on the options but for Baker.

He studies and already has a 'good grasp' on the playbook.  He went into that game as cold as any rookie since he did not take one first team practice rep and their was no game planning with the coaches.  They are already talking about using the full playbook in his first start this Sunday because he has such a good grasp on the playbook.

His arm is much better than most people seemed to assume in the pre-draft lead-up.  Stronger, quicker, accurate, and he extends plays and goes deep into reads.  He was impressive.

We need to see how everything works together but the O-Line looked vastly improved when he entered because TT held the ball too long, did not attack the middle of the field, was under throwing deep balls, and overall wasn't accurate.  Baker was accurate, got the ball out sooner, forced the defense to change how they played and Cleveland coaches adjusted to open up the running game.  That gave the running game scoring opportunities which 'may' have gone to Baker.  We really need to see how this unfolds for fantasy purposes because they left some things on the table, i.e, deep balls to Callaway should open up once those two guys get on the same page/timing/reps/game planning.

Per the rookie QBs he looks like the one to own IMHO but Josh Allen had a big fantasy game Sunday.  Very impressive but I think Baker will be more consistent once things shake out.

 
he looked really good.  

went back and watched a highlight reel. 

only caution i’d say is that Landry is going to die if he keeps working the middle of the field the way he did that game. 

dude took some shots. 

once he gets his timing down, hopefully he’ll pick up some more yac and take less impacts.  

 
I traded for Mayfield today. I'm in boys! Lets do this!
I'm sitting on starting FitzMagic with Wentz waiting in the wings. Baker Mayfield sits on the waiver wire (short bench 4 players). I'd have to drop FitzMagic to pick up some other new, young, fresh Magic? Would you?

 
I'm sitting on starting FitzMagic with Wentz waiting in the wings. Baker Mayfield sits on the waiver wire (short bench 4 players). I'd have to drop FitzMagic to pick up some other new, young, fresh Magic? Would you?
No I'd trade him + someone for a slight upgrade and then puck up Mayfield.

 
 Fake news. Nothing is obvious enough to make it easy for Hue. It's all a struggle.
The struggle is real.

Am I one of the few people who thinks Hue disappoints as a HC/leader?

He's probably one of those guys who should just stick to coordinator.

You need to be a little bit of a #### to be a HC & Hue doesn't have it in him.

 
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When asked what Lawrence Taylor thought of Bill Parcells as a HC in his rookie season, "he's a good coach, but man, this guy can be a real #######".

Hue simply isn't hard enough & it's an underrated aspect of good NFL HCs, IMO.

 
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The struggle is real.

Am I one of the few people who thinks Hue disappoints as a HC/leader?

He's probably one of those guys who should just stick to coordinator.

You need to be a little bit of a #### to be a HC & Hue doesn't have it in him.
Go peruse the Cleveland Browns thread, there's a movement being put together.

I agree with you but unfortunately I think the Haslem's guaranteed Hue 3 years with a handshake so unless he flips the ship over this season I think we see him for the remainder of the season. And in & of itself, that's not a bad thing now that he has coordinators to run the D & O. The Browns also desperately need some continuity. Most all of our coaches in the last decade or so are 2 years and out. You can't win that way.

Hue got brought on during the tank era. He knew his roster was going to be #### for 2 years to get them to where they were at this years draft. I think the real clock on Hue started this season for Browns ownership. If he can't win with what they've given him now, he can't win in this league and should go back to coordinator someplace.

 
Complaining about Hue Jackson is like standing in the rain and shouting to everyone that you are getting wet.

We've heard it before and their isn't any point so just stop complaining till the storm passes because it makes no sense to constantly complain.  The bad coaching is going to end one way or another but it won't end from complaining and that quickly becomes annoying.

 
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And we don't know what happens when defenses can pick up his tendencies.
And how do QB's that can throw with anticipation, velocity, touch, and accuracy like Mayfield can, tend to do long term?

Mayfield also used his eyes to influence defenders when he went through his progressions.  

I believe the word you are looking for is, win.

1/2 of a game is s small sample size for sure, but 1/2 of a game where good happened is encouraging.

 
Gruden says the Jets prepared for Mayfield and 'surprise' he is going back to Oklahoma tape to study up for Mayfield this week.

Gruden indicated that the Jets were prepared for Mayfield

On a conference call yesterday, Gruden indicated that the Jets were prepared for Mayfield even in the short week.

 "You always have to be ready for the backup quarterback,'' he said. "Doesn't matter if you have one day to get ready or a month to get ready.''

He stressed that his team, which will likely dig back into Mayfield's Oklahoma film, will certainly be ready.
The Jet DB Jamal Adams who said they didn't prepare for Mayfield spoke to an ESPN reporter before that game and said the Jets wanted Mayfield.  Before the game, Adams told an ESPN reporter that the Jets were hoping to face Mayfield.

It will be different this week because Baker was named the starter, he got first team reps, and he has a game plan made to suit his skills but it all comes with expectations and pressure and the opposition can put in road blocks especially made for him.  I think he can handle the pressure of being the guy and the Raiders pass rush has the lowest sack total in the league.  Raiders are dead last in sacks, pass rush percentage

Its a road game so the key to the game will come early IMHO.  Either the Raiders get to him early and rattle his cage and get the crowd into it or Baker is able to lead a drive and can take the air out of the stadium because Chuckie is going to go after him.

"I know he’ll be very excited for his first career start. We have to do a great job giving him some looks and put pressure on him with the pass rush.”

... the Raiders will try to disguise their calls.  

"You try to get in their face and confuse them, show them different looks to maybe make them make mistakes,'' Schobert said. "Sometimes rookie quarterbacks can handle it and sometimes they can't, but that's always the goal.''

The thing that makes Mayfield unique is his arm talent, Schobert said.

"Baker has great arm strength, so he can really whip the ball in there and make some throws across the field with velocity that maybe defenders aren't seeing day in and day out which makes it harder to catch and harder to make a play on the ball and anticipate things,'' said Schobert. "He's a little bit of a gunslinger.
We'll see what happens Sunday but, the kid has 'unique arm talent', will be prepared and can handle the pressure IMHO.

 
Any thoughts on how Higgins will fare with the switch to Mayfield?  Is he still too far down to be worth anything or do his targets increase with Mayfield at QB?

 
Any thoughts on how Higgins will fare with the switch to Mayfield?  Is he still too far down to be worth anything or do his targets increase with Mayfield at QB?
I think every WR on the roster benefits from Mayfield at QB. The problem? Every WR benefits from Mayfield begin at QB meaning I think he is going to be chucking it to whoever the open man is. He may develop a relationship with one of them but from what I've seen he looks at everybody so while Higgins will probably have more potential upside with Mayfield at the helm, he might get less targets because Mayfield will be spreading it around. Just speculation on my part based on a half of football so take it for what it's worth.

 
So - I picked up Mayfield last night in my FFPC Dynasty league.  I "won" the bid at $333.  The next highest bid was $56!  Am I foolishly overrating his dynasty potential or did the rest of the league undervalue him?

 
So - I picked up Mayfield last night in my FFPC Dynasty league.  I "won" the bid at $333.  The next highest bid was $56!  Am I foolishly overrating his dynasty potential or did the rest of the league undervalue him?
a little of both, IMO.

Mayfield is going to be underrated simply because he's on the Browns roster (guilty by association).  CLE still has a negative light shining on them after a decade of ineptitude.  With that said, Baker is going to be a very good QB, if his play from last week continues on the upward trend.  From a dynasty perspective, I would definitely go get him at whatever cost.  Yours was one that insured he would be on your roster without hesitation.

 
Village Idiot said:
And how do QB's that can throw with anticipation, velocity, touch, and accuracy like Mayfield can, tend to do long term?

Mayfield also used his eyes to influence defenders when he went through his progressions.  

I believe the word you are looking for is, win.

1/2 of a game is s small sample size for sure, but 1/2 of a game where good happened is encouraging.
I'm not arguing against anything here.

I'm saying lets see him do it for a minute first.

 
he really does say all the right things.

cautiously super optimistic. 

you can’t coach how quickly he processes and gets the ball out.  

 
Browns offensive coordinator Todd Haley pumps brakes on runaway Baker Mayfield hype

....“Baker played great ... it was phenomenal stuff,” Haley said. “He gave us a chance to win, but at the same time, there’s a process.”

“I took some flak for saying this is the best quarterback room I’ve been around,” Haley said. “Kurt Warner texted and said, ‘What?’ ”
Did Haley coach Kurt Warner?  If so and he said the current Browns QB room is better than any he's been around then he is preaching to his own choir about toning down hype.  

Its fine to be excited about Baker Mayfield but he's no Kurt Warner at this time and Tyrod was never in his class.

 
Browns offensive coordinator Todd Haley pumps brakes on runaway Baker Mayfield hype

Did Haley coach Kurt Warner?  If so and he said the current Browns QB room is better than any he's been around then he is preaching to his own choir about toning down hype.  

Its fine to be excited about Baker Mayfield but he's no Kurt Warner at this time and Tyrod was never in his class.
Yes, OC in Arizona for their Super Bowl year.  He also coached Ben for 6 years so his comment about the Browns QB room seems excessive but it's still encouraging given his experience

 
Browns offensive coordinator Todd Haley pumps brakes on runaway Baker Mayfield hype

Did Haley coach Kurt Warner?  If so and he said the current Browns QB room is better than any he's been around then he is preaching to his own choir about toning down hype.  

Its fine to be excited about Baker Mayfield but he's no Kurt Warner at this time and Tyrod was never in his class.
Everyone knows Taylor sucks but he has to puts some lipstick on it anyway. When the receivers were catching the pass from Baker, Tyrod was looking for someone to be wide open.

 
i was wrong wanting Darnold. 

i’m buying my first jersey in 15 years as soon as they are back in stock.  

he’s made this franchise relevant again. 

 
Watched a lot of Baker Mayfield at OU and I have never seen so many receivers drop his passes.  I finally got tired of counting how many times he hit BROWNS receivers in the hands or chest and simply were dropped.   I understand that Baker throws a tight spiral and has some speed to it, but these guys dropping balls are professionals. 

Baker will say the right thing and say the loss is on him like he should to become the leader of the team.    I only see good things in the future for the Browns.   Baker is just a special guy and brings a swagger to all the teams he plays on.  

Once the defense and offense for Cleveland get on the same page I think they will be something special. 

 
Watched a lot of Baker Mayfield at OU and I have never seen so many receivers drop his passes.  I finally got tired of counting how many times he hit BROWNS receivers in the hands or chest and simply were dropped.   I understand that Baker throws a tight spiral and has some speed to it, but these guys dropping balls are professionals. 

Baker will say the right thing and say the loss is on him like he should to become the leader of the team.    I only see good things in the future for the Browns.   Baker is just a special guy and brings a swagger to all the teams he plays on.  

Once the defense and offense for Cleveland get on the same page I think they will be something special. 
Agreed.

It was kind of an uneven game for Mayfield, but he did have a lot of drops. He's a rookie at the most demanding position in the game (by far). Mayfield will have his ups & downs, but his ceiling is essentially unlimited, IMO.

When Mayfield came out, I said he was one of the few prospects who I believe was virtually guaranteed to eventually be a stud. I've only said that about a handful of players (the one prior to that was DJ). Few people on earth can sling the ball the way Mayfield can. He's got everything going for him but height.

His story is crazy, too. Walked on twice & became the Heisman Trophy winner & the 1st overall pick. People have been doubting him his whole life, starting in middle school where he was the backup because he was short.

Don't underestimate this cat's determination & will to succeed. Some players have it, some don't. When you combine Mayfield's intangibles with his raw talent, you get what might be the best QB prospect in a long time.

 
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I think, and it's off the top of my head but I think the drops were:

Landry - 2

Calloway - 3

Njoku - 2

Higgins - 2

Everyone else at least 1

Is there a site that tracks drops? I feel like there is just can't remember it. They mentioned it on local radio this morning and it crossed my mind yesterday as I was watching our WR corp drop almost everything, I don't think they are used to someone who has that kind of zip on the ball and as accurate as Mayfield. Seems stupid but go watch the film, it ain't on Mayfield for most of those incompletions.

 
How does this grade out with his first full game?
PFF didn't update yet but awful compared to his first game but better than the other first round QBs on the same day.

I bet you don't buy that so if you want historical perspective he only had the second best game for the first start of any number one QB pick in NFL history dating back to Terry Bradshaw.

The history of first starts for quarterbacks drafted No. 1 overall

Not sure where I heard this but reportedly he had the highest point total ever for a rookie QB making his first NFL start but can't confirm that but he definitely has the highest point total for any QB drafted number one in NFL history in his very first start so compared to the other first round QBs this weekend and even historically for his first start he performed well.

 
PFF didn't update yet but awful compared to his first game but better than the other first round QBs on the same day.

I bet you don't buy that so if you want historical perspective he only had the second best game for the first start of any number one QB pick in NFL history dating back to Terry Bradshaw.

The history of first starts for quarterbacks drafted No. 1 overall

Not sure where I heard this but reportedly he had the highest point total ever for a rookie QB making his first NFL start but can't confirm that but he definitely has the highest point total for any QB drafted number one in NFL history in his very first start so compared to the other first round QBs this weekend and even historically for his first start he performed well.
You don't need to work this hard to puff this guy up.  I did not get to see the game, looking for some real information on his performance.

He had the PFF 84.3 for a half of football last week, how did that change with a defense preparing for him?  I see the drops being commented on, but not much else.  The best ever random stats don't really tell me anything.

Trying to assess rest of the year for this guy.  That run of PIT, ATL, KC looks juicy... unless OAK is this guy's ceiling right now.

 
  I did not get to see the game, looking for some real information on his performance.
The Raiders gave up 42 points and that is valid information.  You've made person nitpicks with my posts so let me return the favor you seem to discount and deconstruct things you don't want to hear so what information do you consider real information because if you are trying to project his production then start with the 42 and how that happened because you can bet that other teams will not want to give up 42 points and take their chances that they'll get 4 turnovers since the Raiders only forced one, the others were from a WR slip and batted ball, a bad center exchange when Mayfield was trying to audible and the center didn't realize he wasn't behind him, and a deep shot with 15 seconds left in regulation time.  Three of those turnovers were gifts and which will get cleaned up.

What Mayfield did is attack the middle of the field with high velocity/low trajectory throws that hit tight windows but the high velocity probably lead to many drops as noted by people who saw the game.  Since Baker hadn't taken any 1st team reps his receivers are trying to get used to his throws and the way the ball comes off his hand/spin rate etc.  The timing isn't quite there because his ball gets their faster and with more heat.  The timing will improve. 

Even though they said he knew all of the playbook and they'd use it, they didn't.  They used and re-used a limited variety of plays and some of them didn't work so expect them to do more installs for Baker and to see what works and doesn't and that the play calling 'should' get tighter but I will tip my hat to Haley because he put up more points than anyone expected.

Haley's play calling was very aggressive and Mayfield seemed to have some audible wiggle-room and he was also very aggressive when it appeared he made an audible.  I did not agree with some of the play calling and throw choices since it seemed Mayfield took deep low-percentage shots when the Browns were up by two TDs late in the 3rd when game management dictated clock control with runs and/or shorter high-percent throw choices.  Bottom line, Baker will get fed more of the playbook and it will get tailored to his strengths/minimize his weakness'.

Many things lead to the high score, the turnovers to let the Raiders back in the game which forced the Browns to put the peddle down, the quick scores by Mayfield and Chubb turned the ball back over to the Raider offense which gassed the Browns pass rush and a key injury to the Browns defensive backfield gave Carr an open gate to one side of the field.  Pretty much a perfect storm for a high score provided the QB can make plays and  Baker made plays.   

Much tougher test this week against the Ravens who shut down Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh.  I never expected the scoring fest of the first start but I doubt we'll see a repeat this week.

 

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