QB Baker Mayfield, TB (2 Viewers)

[Faust]

Baker Mayfield Trade Rumors: Browns QB Not Expected to Be Moved Until At Least June

 

[Bri]

This continues to be such a shame. I feel for the guy.

He has a well documented history of overcoming when he's counted out so...I'm half curious if it's gonna be a good thing the Browns handled this poorly

 

[Faust]

BAKER MAYFIELD QB, CLEVELAND BROWNS

Speaking Thursday, Seahawks coach Pete Carroll claimed the team was unlikely to dip into the veteran quarterback trade market. 

“I don’t see us making a trade for anybody at all. I don’t see that happening," were Carroll's exact words. It's a stronger-than-it-needed-to-be denial, but the reality is, the Seahawks would probably still acquire Baker Mayfield or perhaps Jimmy Garoppolo for the right price. It is the "right price" that no one has seemed particularly interested in finding with Mayfield (or Garoppolo), but he would inarguably be a major upgrade on either Drew Lock or supposed Seahawks starter Geno Smith. The odds that Smith actually starts Week 1 are close to zero. 

RELATED: 

Jimmy Garoppolo

, Geno Smith

, Drew Lock

, Seattle Seahawks

SOURCE: Brady Henderson on Twitter 

May 5, 2022, 8:06 PM ET

 

[Faust]

Which NFL teams make the most sense for Baker Mayfield?

 

[Faust]

Baker Mayfield still in limbo with Cleveland Browns: How did he get here, and what's next?

 

[MAC_32]

This continues to be such a shame. I feel for the guy.

He has a well documented history of overcoming when he's counted out so...I'm half curious if it's gonna be a good thing the Browns handled this poorly

Will you please expand on this? I probably mentioned it before, but the 'adult' leak was in poor form and probably not well received at the decision making level. I don't understand what else others expected them to do.

 

[Beef Ravioli]

Will you please expand on this? I probably mentioned it before, but the 'adult' leak was in poor form and probably not well received at the decision making level. I don't understand what else others expected them to do.

Other than “the same old Browns” schtick, I’ve yet to hear a good response to these claims.
My opinion: Browns had a QB that has shown some hope. Baker has done more than any other QB since Kosar. BUT he has also been inconsistent and appears to be resistant to improving during the off season. SO, they swing for the fences at Watson who has much more potential. They also don’t want to lose out on Baker just in case they can’t land Watson. That is completely the Browns right to hold onto one of their assets until they have another asset. 
Were the Browns to not try for a better QB just because they had another QB under contract? That seems to be the opinion of some. 

 

[daveR]

Will you please expand on this? I probably mentioned it before, but the 'adult' leak was in poor form and probably not well received at the decision making level. I don't understand what else others expected them to do.

I guess the other way to do things is to wait until you have made all your deals before announcing your intentions.  Then, of course, you catch hell for failure to being "stand up" guys.  

 

[Bri]

Will you please expand on this? I probably mentioned it before, but the 'adult' leak was in poor form and probably not well received at the decision making level. I don't understand what else others expected them to do.

If you put a cow to market after winter, then everyone bids highly on him and he'll go to the highest bidder. If you hold onto him you'll get nothing. If you wait til winter, you'll get little for him because you're basically giving someone the task of feeding and keeping him somehow warm and not dying.

I've heard that brought up since I was little, business school, and college. Apparently it's a common discussion point.

The way I see it- NFL has a prime times for bidding and the market is strong. The rest of the year it gets progressively worst from the draft on. June has long been known as a sort of firesale month.

Also, 32 starting QB jobs, this many candidates for those positions.

NFL players have to move their family and probably buy a home. They have to learn the new offense and get acclimated to WRs and linemen and all.

Baker- thank you for turning around our franchise. We've drafted 100 QBs and no one was ever able to fire everyone up and get us all on the same page toward winning like you have. 

We're probably not going to pay the last year of your contract.

Thank you for toughing out a shoulder injury that needed surgery.

We're gonna sign a man charged with more sexual assaults than we have offensive players and choose him over you. I hope that doesn't make you look bad. Maybe go get a massage to relax.

Have you seen all these big contracts and big trades? No no, you won't go to a new team we'll just hang onto you until your market value is almost nil.

Oh wait a sec, I saw that commercial of you working in the stadium. Maybe that can be your job now?.

Workout? Practice? Haha no no that's for people that would be on our team in 2022. Don't worry, we'll tell all your friends you said hi. 

 

[MAC_32]

That's all well and good, but it fails to mention that trading him would have required doing so before the team knew about Watson's decision. 

 

[amnesiac]

That's all well and good, but it fails to mention that trading him would have required doing so before the team knew about Watson's decision. 

lol, right? 
 

let’s trade Mayfield and THEN try to sign Watson.  

 

[Dr. Octopus]

At this point, I’m sure they’ll be able to trade him even if there aren’t any major injuries to a QB in camp, but it seems like they wouldn’t get much and Baker may not even be traded somewhere to start. It would be close to the season by then. Maybe Seattle is bluffing, but I kind of believe that they’ll give Lock a shot and fall back on Geno if they have to. Why not Baker may barely get them to the playoffs but they wouldn’t be a serious contender even in the NFC.

 

[Bri]

That's all well and good, but it fails to mention that trading him would have required doing so before the team knew about Watson's decision. 

I Google and see March 19. Obviously it's May and both the big free agent window and the draft have taken place. "Before" was not required.

Teams have entered the off-season with questionable players at positions for decades and then added them in free agency and/or the draft. 

You have this odd point that's like "what if they play games in March?" 

 

[ghostguy123]

I Google and see March 19. Obviously it's May and both the big free agent window and the draft have taken place. "Before" was not required.

Teams have entered the off-season with questionable players at positions for decades and then added them in free agency and/or the draft. 

You have this odd point that's like "what if they play games in March?" 

Huh??

 

[Bri]

At this point, I’m sure they’ll be able to trade him even if there aren’t any major injuries to a QB in camp, but it seems like they wouldn’t get much and Baker may not even be traded somewhere to start. It would be close to the season by then. Maybe Seattle is bluffing, but I kind of believe that they’ll give Lock a shot and fall back on Geno if they have to. Why not Baker may barely get them to the playoffs but they wouldn’t be a serious contender even in the NFC.

Carroll was on XM/Sirrius and discussed how well Geno played last year and how pleasantly surprised he was. 

He talked like they are not changing the system but looking for Russell Wilson II. That never works and is a bad bad sign.

Unfortunately, it sounded to me like we're waiting for them to (inevitably) fail to find another Wilson and then they'll be open to the idea of revamping the offense to suit some new guy.

He was a catalyst for change and then resistant to it in New England many years ago and lost his job. I couldn't help but think "didn't you learn from that?" and it was pretty disconcerting. 

Good for Geno I guess but...oof

 

[Dez]

I still think Baker can be a solid NFL starting QB.  He led the Browns to a playoff berth and won at Pittsburgh.  He has had 2 really good season out of his 4 and last year he was injured so I don't think you can hold that against him but everyone has.

The timing of Cleveland trading for Watson hurt Baker's chances of being traded other spots were filling up in Washington and Indy.  Seattle apparently has no interest in trying to win they are going forward with Drew Lock.

 

[ghostguy123]

If Baker thought super highly of himself he could accept a buyout and go sign somewhere......if anyone even wants him

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Carroll was on XM/Sirrius and discussed how well Geno played last year and how pleasantly surprised he was. 

He talked like they are not changing the system but looking for Russell Wilson II. That never works and is a bad bad sign.

Unfortunately, it sounded to me like we're waiting for them to (inevitably) fail to find another Wilson and then they'll be open to the idea of revamping the offense to suit some new guy.

He was a catalyst for change and then resistant to it in New England many years ago and lost his job. I couldn't help but think "didn't you learn from that?" and it was pretty disconcerting. 

Good for Geno I guess but...oof

Bryce Young looks a lot like a young Russell Wilson, so if the plan is to suck enough to get the 1-2 pick, they’d be staying the course starting Geno or Lock. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If Baker thought super highly of himself he could accept a buyout and go sign somewhere......if anyone even wants him

I thought I’d read that the Browns weren’t offering a buy-out and wanted to deal him.  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I still think Baker can be a solid NFL starting QB.  He led the Browns to a playoff berth and won at Pittsburgh.  He has had 2 really good season out of his 4 and last year he was injured so I don't think you can hold that against him but everyone has.

Seems more like people are more holding his lack of maturity against him.

It’s been the rap on him for years, and he’s done nothing to dissipate that opinion. When the Browns we’re talking to Watson, he went on a dramatic Twitter “goodbye to all my fans” tirade, and his agent was tweeting messages of “irreconcilable differences”, which didn’t win them any favors.   

Seems like he’s not quite talented enough to be that kind of PITA.

Someone will sign him eventually. 

 

[babydemon90]

If Baker thought super highly of himself he could accept a buyout and go sign somewhere......if anyone even wants him

There's not a huge market now.  There's a lot of teams that are sticking with their current guy in a "let's see what he does this year". But if those guys falter there could be a huge opportunity next year - Phi, Wash, Ind, Mia, NO, Car, Sea....

There's absolutely incentive to take the 18 mil this year and bide your time to pick a good spot next year.

 

[ghostguy123]

There's not a huge market now.  There's a lot of teams that are sticking with their current guy in a "let's see what he does this year". But if those guys falter there could be a huge opportunity next year - Phi, Wash, Ind, Mia, NO, Car, Sea....

There's absolutely incentive to take the 18 mil this year and bide your time to pick a good spot next year.

Yes if Baker had any sense at all he would be the best little soldier of all time starting right now, ball out during whatever games Watson is suspended, and get himself a decent contract somewhere next off-season. 

Alas, I don't see it.   He's too emotional.  I'm not sure he has the ability to do that.  He appears to be very entitled, yet he has accomplished very little.  

He is costing himself money every day that passes.

 

[daveR]

If you add 2023's five first round QBs to this limited market, it's tough to find a starting job.  Maybe, with some attrition...

 

[Drake Hater]

if Baker had any sense at all he would be the best little soldier of all time starting right now, ball out during whatever games Watson is suspended, and get himself a decent contract somewhere next off-season

I agree with you and think even if he had just put that message and attitude out there in the first place he'd have been traded already because demand would actually exist. He's decent enough but the bad attitude killed his chances. 

 

[travdogg]

Yes if Baker had any sense at all he would be the best little soldier of all time starting right now, ball out during whatever games Watson is suspended, and get himself a decent contract somewhere next off-season. 

Alas, I don't see it.   He's too emotional.  I'm not sure he has the ability to do that.  He appears to be very entitled, yet he has accomplished very little.  

He is costing himself money every day that passes.

I'd kind of agree with everything but the bolded. Mayfield has accomplished a lot. For Browns fans born in the 90's, Mayfield is easily the best QB of their lifetimes. 

 

[ghostguy123]

I'd kind of agree with everything but the bolded. Mayfield has accomplished a lot. For Browns fans born in the 90's, Mayfield is easily the best QB of their lifetimes. 

That's not saying much.  That's the tallest midget argument

 

[Faust]

BAKER MAYFIELD, BROWNS REMAIN AT A STANDSTILL

 

[Faust]

Report: Browns may be forced to cut quarterback Baker Mayfield

Excerpt:

According to CBS Sports' Josina Anderson, the Browns' asking price for Mayfield may be too high for NFL teams searching for a signal-caller, and Cleveland may have no choice but to release the disgruntled quarterback. 

"I spoke to a source from a team that expressed interest in Baker Mayfield, had talks, but they cooled not wanting to pay asking price feeling he has to be cut," Anderson tweeted. "Their follow-up comment tonight: 'no one's trying to do the Browns any favors in this situation.'" 

Browns should just cut Baker Mayfield and be done with it

 

[Faust]

Panthers may still be in market for Baker Mayfield: ‘Door isn’t 100% shut’

 

[Faust]

Baker Mayfield reportedly lost part of locker room after Odell Beckham Jr. left

 

[ghostguy123]

The asking price is too high?  Isn't the asking price "free"?

 

[Faust]

The Athletic's Jeff Howe reports the Panthers and Seahawks "haven't ruled out" acquiring Baker Mayfield.

Howe noted that the Browns haven't been willing to take on enough of Mayfield's $18.9 million, fully guaranteed salary to get a deal done. The only leverage the Browns have is the quarterback situations for the Panthers and Seahawks. While Carolina might feel comfortable gambling on rookie passer Matt Corral to quickly overtake Sam Darnold, Seattle's outlook is bleak. Geno Smith currently has the edge over Drew Lock, which speaks for itself. If either team gets a close look at their quarterbacks in camp and decides they need an upgrade, the Browns will be waiting. Until then, things will continue to be awkward for Cleveland and Mayfield. 

RELATED: 

Carolina Panthers

, Seattle Seahawks

SOURCE: The Athletic

May 20, 2022, 1:51 PM ET

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Seahawks "haven't ruled out" acquiring Baker Mayfield.

Most underrated player on all 32 NFL teams

CLEVELAND BROWNS: QB BAKER MAYFIELD

... Mayfield’s worst season — which came while trying to play through a torn labrum — is still better than Drew Lock’s best season, yet Lock has a starting job ...

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NFL Rumors: Drew Lock runs from behind in race for Seahawks quarterback job

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Um, MMQB indicates Breer was making a personal speculation rather than reporting the Browns have made any offers to eat a 'good chunk' of Mayfield's salary.

• Report: Browns willing to eat 'good chunk' of Baker Mayfield's salary in trade
  

...According to Albert Breer of MMQB, Cleveland has offered to eat a “good chunk” of Mayfield’s salary in order to help facilitate a trade. 

• The Panthers’ quarterback situation remains in flux.
  

... leaves the door open for Baker Mayfield. But for Carolina to do it, my sense is the Browns would have to eat a healthy majority of Mayfield’s $18.858 million number for 2022. So for now, they’re monitoring that situation, with how the spring goes for Darnold and Corral, one way or the other, over the next month a big variable that could change their posture with Cleveland. Of course, if the Browns eat more salary sooner, I think the possibility exists he could be moved to Carolina (or Seattle) in the next few weeks.

 

[Marauder]

IMO, there's close to zero chance that Seattle goes into the season with Lock and Geno as their top two QB's.  The only question is whether they prefer Baker or Jimmy G.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

IMO, there's close to zero chance that Seattle goes into the season with Lock and Geno as their top two QB's.  The only question is whether they prefer Baker or Jimmy G.

Unless they’re “tanking” for a top QB in next year’s draft. I don’t think they’re legit contenders even with Mayfield and that’s not a knock on Mayfield who I do think should be starting somewhere.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

...The only question is whether they prefer Baker or Jimmy G.

Reports are Jimmy won't be ready until November, Baker due back by training camp.

If a team were to take an inexpensive 'flyer' they'd want their guy in place by training camp, so they'd get all of the installs and know the offense.   

 

[Faust]

BAKER MAYFIELD QB, CLEVELAND BROWNS

The Charlotte Observer reports the Panthers wanted the Browns to cover $13-14 million in a trade for Baker Mayfield.

The Panthers traded up to draft Matt Corral in the third round after talks stalled between the sides. With Carolina seemingly out on Mayfield, the Browns are in a zero leverage spot, with their only option to trade Mayfield and cover the majority of his salary. A Mayfield release contains no offset language, while keeping him as a roster holdout for a 2023 compensatory pick is unlikely given how it would be viewed. The Seahawks, who coach Pete Carroll said in March plan to carry four quarterbacks, remain Mayfield's top landing spot.

RELATED: 

Carolina Panthers

SOURCE: Charlotte Observer

May 27, 2022, 7:24 PM ET

 

[Faust]

Browns beat writer Mary Kay Cabot reports the team has "no plans" to cut Baker Mayfield.

Cabot's report comes from a league source who said that the team wouldn't cut Mayfield even if he was on the roster by training camp. The former No. 1 overall pick is due a fully-guaranteed $18.86 million this season, which Cleveland is prepared to pay if they can't work out a trade. Earlier this week it was reported that the Panthers were willing to pay close to $6 million of Mayfield's contract for a draft-day trade, however, talks stalled and the Panthers instead traded up to draft Matt Corral. Mayfield has been a no-show at OTAs as he hopes to find a trade in a market that seems largely disinterested in his services.

SOURCE: Cleveland.com

May 29, 2022, 11:30 AM ET

 

[Marauder]

Have they made him move out of the Stadium yet?

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Johnny Football: "This Browns QB is a real #### up"

 

[Faust]

A source tells the Cleveland Plain Dealer that the Seahawks would likely sign Baker Mayfield were he released by the Browns. 

You may reply "duh," but it is notable since the Seahawks are clearly unwilling to surrender meaningful trade compensation for Mayfield or his salary. This at least confirms they have interest in the player in a vacuum. For their part, the Browns seem desperate to offload some of Mayfield's money in a salary dump deal rather than cut him altogether. With this offseason's game of quarterback musical chairs long since over, the Browns will eventually have to face the music and cut Mayfield loose. 

RELATED: 

Seattle Seahawks

SOURCE: Cleveland Plain Dealer 

Jun 2, 2022, 3:15 PM ET

 

[Faust]

Browns have excused QB Baker Mayfield from mandatory minicamp.

The move makes sense for both sides. Mayfield understandably wants to move on from the Browns, and the Browns would like his trade market to heat back up. A minicamp injury would be a disaster for everyone involved. It's likely that Mayfield's status will remain up in the air until the NFL makes a decision on Deshaun Watson.

SOURCE: Jeremy Fowler on Twitter

Jun 8, 2022, 12:32 PM ET

 

[Faust]

Predicting Baker Mayfield's Future

 

[Faust]

CBS Sports' Jonathan Jones reports there's "urgency on Carolina's side" to trade for Baker Mayfield soon. 

The sticking point in the trade talks, per Jones, is Mayfield's salary and how much of it the Browns will eat to get him out of Cleveland. The Panthers would like to get Mayfield acclimated with the team's offensive system during minicamps, well before the crunch time of training camp. Mayfield would be a clear upgrade over Sam Darnold, who was miserable as Carolina's starter in 2021. Despite a poor, injury-marred 2021 campaign, Mayfield's 2020 season showed he can be a passable game manager in the NFL. Everyone in the Carolina offense, especially D.J. Moore and Robbie Anderson, would get a fantasy bump with Mayfield under center in 2022. 

RELATED: 

Sam Darnold

, Robbie Anderson

, D.J. Moore

, Carolina Panthers

SOURCE: Jonathan Jones on Twitter 

Jun 14, 2022, 8:38 AM ET

 

[Faust]

NFL Executives Still Believe Baker Mayfield Could Land with Lions

 

[Bracie Smathers]

... Interesting that the guy who drafted him is a consultant for the Lions, I'm sure Dorsey who used the first pick of the draft would see a bargain.

From Faust's link above.

NFL Executives Still Believe Baker Mayfield Could Land with Lions

... "Former Browns general manager John Dorsey, who selected Mayfield at the top of the 2018 draft, is now part of the Detroit front office. He's not the GM, but if he were to stump on Mayfield's behalf, is it ridiculous to think Mayfield could come in and compete with Jared Goff? Or replace Goff after this year?"

Quarterback Jared Goff is earning north of $30 million this season, but could be on his way out of Motown after this season, if he does not live up to expectations.

 

[Faust]

CBS Sports's Josina Anderson reports the Panthers "are still doing its due diligence in terms of looking into QB Baker Mayfield, the football player and the person."

Anderson's note that Carolina is looking into Mayfield "as a person" is interesting because all previous reports have painted his contract as the only hangup in a potential trade. It's possible that the Panthers don't see him as a perfect cultural fit, though Mayfield has generally drawn praise from his teammates and coaches, sans Odell Beckham. Sam Darnold currently has the inside track to starting in Week 1 despite an atrocious 2021 season. If he struggles in camp, the Panthers could hand the reigns to rookie Matt Corral or pull the trigger on Mayfield. 

RELATED: 

Carolina Panthers

SOURCE: Josina Anderson on Twitter

Jun 17, 2022, 1:53 PM ET

 

[Faust]

Sports Illustrated’s Albert Breer reports the Browns are willing to pick up half of Baker Mayfield's salary in a trade.

The Panthers would only do a Mayfield trade “if it’s a bargain,” according to Breer, with Sam Darnold already making $18 million on a fifth-year option. Paying $9 million of Mayfield’s salary is closer to the reported $13 million the Panthers asked the Browns to cover at the draft. Carolina’s renewed Mayfield interest is a bad sign for third-round QB Matt Corral. The Mayfield market is expected to heat up ahead of July’s training camp.

RELATED: 

Carolina Panthers

SOURCE: Rich Eisen Show

Jun 19, 2022, 11:09 AM ET

 

[The Man With No Name]

If the Panthers want him, they better not screw around. Price will only go up after any quarterback gets injured in camp or preseason