QB Brian Hoyer, Free Agent (1 Viewer)

[Faust]

Report: Brian Hoyer likely out in Cleveland after 2014

 

[amnesiac]

i feel like the eighth grader that still believes in Santa Claus at this point.

 

[Faust]

Browns plan to stick with Hoyer as long as team is in playoff race

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Brian Hoyer completed just 14-of-31 passes for 140 yards and two interceptions as the Browns fell 25-24 to the Colts in Week 14.

We'd guess he left at least 200 yards and definitely two touchdowns on the field in a horrific performance. Hoyer killed a promising Browns first-quarter drive with an end-zone pick thrown into heavy coverage. He also had a horrendous second-quarter overthrow of a wide-open Taylor Gabriel for a would-be touchdown bomb. Hoyer again missed Josh Gordon deep for another would-be TD in the fourth quarter. Cleveland actually had the lead for most of the game, so Hoyer stayed in despite awful play. The Browns will have to seriously contemplate turning to Johnny Manziel ahead of Week 15 against the Bengals.

Dec 7 - 5:02 PM

 

[Peyton Marino]

at this point i want to see them stick with Hoyer just to see how far they'll take this farce.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Were they eliminated today?

 

[MAC_32]

i feel like the eighth grader that still believes in Santa Claus at this point.

I was right there with you, but after the first four drives today I believed November was a bump in the road and he would bounce back, but I was dead wrong. Full blown regression.

 

[MAC_32]

Were they eliminated today?

no, but winning out probably won't be enough anyway.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Were they eliminated today?

no, but winning out probably won't be enough anyway.

Hasn't every loss been in conference, thought I heard that today. I hope thats enough to get Manziel in, they are not going to the postseason with Balt and Pitt winning IMO

 

[MAC_32]

Were they eliminated today?

no, but winning out probably won't be enough anyway.

Hasn't every loss been in conference, thought I heard that today. I hope thats enough to get Manziel in, they are not going to the postseason with Balt and Pitt winning IMO

the way we lost today should be more than enough

 

[Bracie Smathers]

After Sunday's Colts game.......

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4THGRTIMAAyB-E.jpg

 

[BobbyLayne]

"At that point I felt like I had let my whole team down and I wanted to go do something," said Hoyer. "I didn't know what it was going to be. But we made enough plays to win and it's a crazy game."

Hoyer drove the Browns down the field in 44 seconds to set up the game-winning field goal. Hoyer completed four of six attempts (including a spike) for 61 yards on the drive.

"You can have the worst day of your life and finish it off and win,'' he said. "But I'm just so disappointed in myself because that's not how I play. I don't throw dumb interceptions. It really pisses me off that that's what happened."

THAT is what I wanna hear from my QB

F it man, my love for Hoyer just went thru the roof.

 

[lod01]

This bum can't hit the broadside of a barn. Time for Cleveland to show us the money.

 

[towney]

So it looks like Hoyer's big money deal train came and left the station with nobody on... To bad but you could see it coming.

 

[Faust]

Despite struggles, Brian Hoyer deserves some credit for Browns' success

 

[The Dynasty]

I was ridiculed for criticizing Hoyer here a month ago. I realize now why I never come here for fantasy advice anymore.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Time to give Hoyer a shot at the comeback win?

 

[Faust]

QB market for 2015 could lead Browns back to Brian Hoyer:

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/10896/qb-market-for-2015-could-browns-back-to-brian-hoyer

 

[Mr. Retukes]

QB market for 2015 could lead Browns back to Brian Hoyer:

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/10896/qb-market-for-2015-could-browns-back-to-brian-hoyer

That article reads like it was written by Hoyer's agent. Fitzpatrick and Cassel aren't upgrades over Hoyer?? Come on.

Sanchez and Henne are probably better options as well.

 

[cstu]

QB market for 2015 could lead Browns back to Brian Hoyer:

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/10896/qb-market-for-2015-could-browns-back-to-brian-hoyer

That article reads like it was written by Hoyer's agent. Fitzpatrick and Cassel aren't upgrades over Hoyer?? Come on.

Sanchez and Henne are probably better options as well.

Hoyer was having a good season before he fell apart the last 5 games (2 TD/9 INT, completed less than 50% of his passes). That was despite getting Gordon and Cameron back.

 

[amnesiac]

QB market for 2015 could lead Browns back to Brian Hoyer:

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/10896/qb-market-for-2015-could-browns-back-to-brian-hoyer

That article reads like it was written by Hoyer's agent. Fitzpatrick and Cassel aren't upgrades over Hoyer?? Come on.

Sanchez and Henne are probably better options as well.

it does sound like it was written by his agent. but he should be in the discussion.

the FAs available are no long term solution either.

 

[Faust]

Brian Hoyer can return to Browns, GM Ray Farmer says

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN Browns reporter Jeremy Fowler reports the team has reached out to free agent Brian Hoyer about a contract extension.
Fowler believes talks could heat up closer to February's Combine, where everyone in the NFL meets. The Browns are expected to offer "backup quarterback money," which is what Hoyer's on-field play warrants. Hoyer and risk-taking agent Joe Linta may first want to see what the open market has in store.

Source: ESPN.com
Jan 22 - 5:32 PM

 

[Pwingles]

Cle is such a mess, smh

I could see him in Buf as a starter

 

[Tool]

Cle is such a mess, smh

I could see him in Buf as a starter

Yep. Now there thinking holy crap if hoyer leaves we'll be going into the season w/ manziel and whatever else they can find.

 

[MAC_32]

Cle is such a mess, smh

I could see him in Buf as a starter

Yep. Now there thinking holy crap if hoyer leaves we'll be going into the season w/ manziel and whatever else they can find.

Coaches wanted him to keep being successful,so they could justify lobbying for an extension.ThenNovember happened. Thing is it was so bad it probably killed his outside market, so it may be in his best interests to sign as a highly paid backup/cheap starter then see what happens again.

 

[Faust]

Agent: Browns have shown interest in re-signing Hoyer

 

[skol asylum]

How about Hoyer in Minnesota to back up Bridgewater? Did well with Norv.

 

[Tool]

How about Hoyer in Minnesota to back up Bridgewater? Did well with Norv.

Hoyer wants to be able to compete to start.

 

[skol asylum]

How about Hoyer in Minnesota to back up Bridgewater? Did well with Norv.

Hoyer wants to be able to compete to start.

What he wants and what he can get may be two different things.

 

[msommer]

How about Hoyer in Minnesota to back up Bridgewater? Did well with Norv.

Hoyer wants to be able to compete to start.

What he wants and what he can get may be two different things.

TBB, TEN, STL, NYJ, BUF, CLE, HOU seem to be able to offer a chance to compete. And that's just the AFC.

Obviously not all of them actually will do that, they are just unsettled at QB or have inexperienced guys. Some are likely to draft a QB high and take themselves out of contention but still. Seems to me that there are more potential jobs than actual FA QBs (or rookies) that people want to hire so Brian might well get his wish.

That doesn't mean that it is the smart thing to do for the team, just supply and demand.

 

[MAC_32]

How about Hoyer in Minnesota to back up Bridgewater? Did well with Norv.

Hoyer wants to be able to compete to start.

What he wants and what he can get may be two different things.

I don't know if he will find a better situation than Cleveland, but that will be his backup plan if he doesn't get better opportunities elsewhere; not a place like Minnesota.

 

[Pwingles]

How about Hoyer in Minnesota to back up Bridgewater? Did well with Norv.

Hoyer wants to be able to compete to start.

What he wants and what he can get may be two different things.

TBB, TEN, STL, NYJ, BUF, CLE, HOU seem to be able to offer a chance to compete. And that's just the AFC.Obviously not all of them actually will do that, they are just unsettled at QB or have inexperienced guys. Some are likely to draft a QB high and take themselves out of contention but still. Seems to me that there are more potential jobs than actual FA QBs (or rookies) that people want to hire so Brian might well get his wish.

That doesn't mean that it is the smart thing to do for the team, just supply and demand.

Just the AFC huh

 

[msommer]

How about Hoyer in Minnesota to back up Bridgewater? Did well with Norv.

Hoyer wants to be able to compete to start.

What he wants and what he can get may be two different things.

TBB, TEN, STL, NYJ, BUF, CLE, HOU seem to be able to offer a chance to compete. And that's just the AFC.Obviously not all of them actually will do that, they are just unsettled at QB or have inexperienced guys. Some are likely to draft a QB high and take themselves out of contention but still. Seems to me that there are more potential jobs than actual FA QBs (or rookies) that people want to hire so Brian might well get his wish.

That doesn't mean that it is the smart thing to do for the team, just supply and demand.

Just the AFC huh

Oops on TB/STL - but you get the drift. didn't have the energy to think about the rest of the NFC

 

[Bracie Smathers]

How about Hoyer in Minnesota to back up Bridgewater? Did well with Norv.

Hoyer wants to be able to compete to start.

What he wants and what he can get may be two different things.

I don't know if he will find a better situation than Cleveland, but that will be his backup plan if he doesn't get better opportunities elsewhere; not a place like Minnesota.

His former OC with the Patriots is in Houston and they reportedly may have been interested in trading for him last year when they didn't draft a QB but then had to trade for Mallett.

If the Texans offer him a chance to compete with Mallett and Cleveland doesn't give him a legit shot to compete with whoever the Browns acquire in the draft or free agency/trade then Houston seems like the most likely spot where he'll land but Hoyer's value/situation has changed.

His best shot may be with the Browns and he could very-likely wind up being the starter for the Browns once again this September and he should play as well as he did last year because Manziel is a joke and no threat and the free agent QBs aren't as good and their won't be any legit QBs available when they pick in the draft. Alex Mack will be back, I expect them to re-sign Cameron, the RBs won't be rookies, the club will sign another FA WR and use some draft resources to addressing that position now that the idiot is suspended for the year and likely done in the NFL. The defense was coming together and now everyone won't be calling for Johnny and he'll likely drink himself out of the league before training camp if he makes it that long.

The club did improve to 7-9 and was at one point 7-4 and alone in first place with Hoyer. The downturn came with the injury to Alex Mack and the return of Gordon and the public clamoring for Manziel that created unbearable pressure on Brian and he caved. Mack will be back, JG is gone, and Manziel has been exposed.

 

[msommer]

Did HOU extend Mallett?

AFAIK he's UFA

 

[MAC_32]

How about Hoyer in Minnesota to back up Bridgewater? Did well with Norv.

Hoyer wants to be able to compete to start.

What he wants and what he can get may be two different things.

I don't know if he will find a better situation than Cleveland, but that will be his backup plan if he doesn't get better opportunities elsewhere; not a place like Minnesota.

His former OC with the Patriots is in Houston and they reportedly may have been interested in trading for him last year when they didn't draft a QB but then had to trade for Mallett.

If the Texans offer him a chance to compete with Mallett and Cleveland doesn't give him a legit shot to compete with whoever the Browns acquire in the draft or free agency/trade then Houston seems like the most likely spot where he'll land but Hoyer's value/situation has changed.

His best shot may be with the Browns and he could very-likely wind up being the starter for the Browns once again this September and he should play as well as he did last year because Manziel is a joke and no threat and the free agent QBs aren't as good and their won't be any legit QBs available when they pick in the draft. Alex Mack will be back, I expect them to re-sign Cameron, the RBs won't be rookies, the club will sign another FA WR and use some draft resources to addressing that position now that the idiot is suspended for the year and likely done in the NFL. The defense was coming together and now everyone won't be calling for Johnny and he'll likely drink himself out of the league before training camp if he makes it that long.

The club did improve to 7-9 and was at one point 7-4 and alone in first place with Hoyer. The downturn came with the injury to Alex Mack and the return of Gordon and the public clamoring for Manziel that created unbearable pressure on Brian and he caved. Mack will be back, JG is gone, and Manziel has been exposed.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

How about Hoyer in Minnesota to back up Bridgewater? Did well with Norv.

Hoyer wants to be able to compete to start.

What he wants and what he can get may be two different things.

I don't know if he will find a better situation than Cleveland, but that will be his backup plan if he doesn't get better opportunities elsewhere; not a place like Minnesota.

His former OC with the Patriots is in Houston and they reportedly may have been interested in trading for him last year when they didn't draft a QB but then had to trade for Mallett.

If the Texans offer him a chance to compete with Mallett and Cleveland doesn't give him a legit shot to compete with whoever the Browns acquire in the draft or free agency/trade then Houston seems like the most likely spot where he'll land but Hoyer's value/situation has changed.

His best shot may be with the Browns and he could very-likely wind up being the starter for the Browns once again this September and he should play as well as he did last year because Manziel is a joke and no threat and the free agent QBs aren't as good and their won't be any legit QBs available when they pick in the draft. Alex Mack will be back, I expect them to re-sign Cameron, the RBs won't be rookies, the club will sign another FA WR and use some draft resources to addressing that position now that the idiot is suspended for the year and likely done in the NFL. The defense was coming together and now everyone won't be calling for Johnny and he'll likely drink himself out of the league before training camp if he makes it that long.

The club did improve to 7-9 and was at one point 7-4 and alone in first place with Hoyer. The downturn came with the injury to Alex Mack and the return of Gordon and the public clamoring for Manziel that created unbearable pressure on Brian and he caved. Mack will be back, JG is gone, and Manziel has been exposed.

Right now, provide a better option.

 

[MAC_32]

Irrelevant, if the Browns don't think he's worth the franchise tag (I don't think he is, they don't seem to either) then he's free to go wherever he wants to and it's been speculated for months (even before the collapse) that he's gone.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Houston did draft a quarterback last year.

Hoyer wasn't accurate in college and hasn't been accurate in the NFL. He is not a starting caliber qb and has proven it.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Houston did draft a quarterback last year.

Hoyer wasn't accurate in college and hasn't been accurate in the NFL. He is not a starting caliber qb and has proven it.

They did. You are right and I am wrong. How terrible of me not to remember Tom Savage taken in the 4th round who basically did nothing last year. Mel Kiper did a regrade of every NFL team's 2014 draft and here is the one-line blurb he had for Savage. "Tom Savage did see the field, but it was brief exposure. There’s no telling yet what he’s going to be. "

The point is the Texans tried trading for Hoyer last year and once again they don't have a starter they are comfortable with, even after trading for Mallett, they are still looking.

http://torotimes.com/2015/01/26/houston-texans-allegedly-interested-nick-foles/

...The Houston Texans are in the midst of finding their quarterback of the future. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tom Savage, Ryan Mallett and Case Keenum all had their chances to earn that role in 2014.

Bill O'Brien traded for Mallett because he was the OC in New England when Hoyer and Mallett were there.

Hoyer was good enough for the majority of last year but he cracked under pressure of competing. Ray Farmer is down scouting the Senior Bowl and this is what he had to say of what he is looking at when he scouts quarterbacks.

He is speaking primarily of the rookie QBs who are in the draft process but something he says about how he evaluates rookie QB prospects could also apply to Brian Hoyer and how he cracked under pressure of competing last year.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Ray-Farmer-details-how-he-evaluates-college-QBs-D-Linemen/89aae40f-b7f1-4eeb-9301-d1130b10f348?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

...For quarterback, the analysis focuses less on the technical aspects and more on the player’s mental makeup.

“Most of these guys take the game and they try to be spot-on perfect,” Farmer said. “I think the reality for me is I'm looking for a guy that's willing to work on the shortcomings of his game as well as accentuate his positives. This is a game that really tests a person's fear level. Are they afraid to compete?

Are they afraid to make that tight throw?

“There's a lot of pieces of this game that really come down to the natural competitiveness you see in a guy. Then those guys that want to work, those guys that are looking for extra reps, those guys that want to get in the game and take those chances and demonstrate what they can do.”

There’s some truth to the importance of first impressions, but Farmer stressed the Senior Bowl is “just a single event.” A so-so week might raise some skepticism about how a player performed during his college career, but it won’t render all the good film he logged to be worthless.

The NFL Scouting Combine in February and the player’s Pro Day in March provide opportunities for redemption.

“A bad Senior Bowl performance,” Farmer said, “doesn't ruin any player.”

I'm not excited about bringing back Hoyer but he is the best option on the table right now and that IS RELEVANT. How in the hell could the best option not be relevant?

I sure as hell don't want to bet the entire 2015 season on Manziel.

 

[MAC_32]

I'm not excited about bringing back Hoyer but he is the best option on the table right now and that IS RELEVANT. How in the hell could the best option not be relevant?

I sure as hell don't want to bet the entire 2015 season on Manziel.

If this is directed at me then you need to go back a few posts and re-read. I was specifically referring to Cameron, not Hoyer. I agree with you in that another year of Hoyer is probably the best option. It's certainly not a good one, but it's the best of the bad options.

 

[Bobcat10]

I'm not excited about bringing back Hoyer but he is the best option on the table right now and that IS RELEVANT. How in the hell could the best option not be relevant?

I sure as hell don't want to bet the entire 2015 season on Manziel.

If this is directed at me then you need to go back a few posts and re-read. I was specifically referring to Cameron, not Hoyer. I agree with you in that another year of Hoyer is probably the best option. It's certainly not a good one, but it's the best of the bad options.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Irrelevant, if the Browns don't think he's worth the franchise tag (I don't think he is, they don't seem to either) then he's free to go wherever he wants to and it's been speculated for months (even before the collapse) that he's gone.

I don't think anyone is going to pay Jordan Cameron franchise tight end money with his concussion history so I did gloss over that point because I don't agree with it at all.

If you think that he will get franchise money then who would pay him that considering his concussion history?

 

[MAC_32]

Irrelevant, if the Browns don't think he's worth the franchise tag (I don't think he is, they don't seem to either) then he's free to go wherever he wants to and it's been speculated for months (even before the collapse) that he's gone.

I don't think anyone is going to pay Jordan Cameron franchise tight end money with his concussion history so I did gloss over that point because I don't agree with it at all.

If you think that he will get franchise money then who would pay him that considering his concussion history?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Irrelevant, if the Browns don't think he's worth the franchise tag (I don't think he is, they don't seem to either) then he's free to go wherever he wants to and it's been speculated for months (even before the collapse) that he's gone.

I don't think anyone is going to pay Jordan Cameron franchise tight end money with his concussion history so I did gloss over that point because I don't agree with it at all.

If you think that he will get franchise money then who would pay him that considering his concussion history?

Yeah, that is the answer that I expected, nothing.

 

[MAC_32]

Ok, let's start over.

How about Hoyer in Minnesota to back up Bridgewater? Did well with Norv.

Hoyer wants to be able to compete to start.

What he wants and what he can get may be two different things.

I don't know if he will find a better situation than Cleveland, but that will be his backup plan if he doesn't get better opportunities elsewhere; not a place like Minnesota.

His former OC with the Patriots is in Houston and they reportedly may have been interested in trading for him last year when they didn't draft a QB but then had to trade for Mallett.

If the Texans offer him a chance to compete with Mallett and Cleveland doesn't give him a legit shot to compete with whoever the Browns acquire in the draft or free agency/trade then Houston seems like the most likely spot where he'll land but Hoyer's value/situation has changed.

His best shot may be with the Browns and he could very-likely wind up being the starter for the Browns once again this September and he should play as well as he did last year because Manziel is a joke and no threat and the free agent QBs aren't as good and their won't be any legit QBs available when they pick in the draft. Alex Mack will be back, I expect them to re-sign Cameron, the RBs won't be rookies, the club will sign another FA WR and use some draft resources to addressing that position now that the idiot is suspended for the year and likely done in the NFL. The defense was coming together and now everyone won't be calling for Johnny and he'll likely drink himself out of the league before training camp if he makes it that long.

The club did improve to 7-9 and was at one point 7-4 and alone in first place with Hoyer. The downturn came with the injury to Alex Mack and the return of Gordon and the public clamoring for Manziel that created unbearable pressure on Brian and he caved. Mack will be back, JG is gone, and Manziel has been exposed.

Now...read, respond, and try to do so without blowing a gasket.

Then, try this one

Irrelevant, if the Browns don't think he's worth the franchise tag (I don't think he is, they don't seem to either) then he's free to go wherever he wants to and it's been speculated for months (even before the collapse) that he's gone.

I'll give you a hint, see bolded, then read your response.

I don't think anyone is going to pay Jordan Cameron franchise tight end money with his concussion history so I did gloss over that point because I don't agree with it at all.

If you think that he will get franchise money then who would pay him that considering his concussion history?

Maybe this second time around when you actually read what I write instead of playing make your own story you will understand what I am getting at and respond appropriately, again, without blowing a gasket.

Maybe.

Maybe?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Ok, let's start over.

How about Hoyer in Minnesota to back up Bridgewater? Did well with Norv.

Hoyer wants to be able to compete to start.

What he wants and what he can get may be two different things.

I don't know if he will find a better situation than Cleveland, but that will be his backup plan if he doesn't get better opportunities elsewhere; not a place like Minnesota.

His former OC with the Patriots is in Houston and they reportedly may have been interested in trading for him last year when they didn't draft a QB but then had to trade for Mallett.

If the Texans offer him a chance to compete with Mallett and Cleveland doesn't give him a legit shot to compete with whoever the Browns acquire in the draft or free agency/trade then Houston seems like the most likely spot where he'll land but Hoyer's value/situation has changed.

His best shot may be with the Browns and he could very-likely wind up being the starter for the Browns once again this September and he should play as well as he did last year because Manziel is a joke and no threat and the free agent QBs aren't as good and their won't be any legit QBs available when they pick in the draft. Alex Mack will be back, I expect them to re-sign Cameron, the RBs won't be rookies, the club will sign another FA WR and use some draft resources to addressing that position now that the idiot is suspended for the year and likely done in the NFL. The defense was coming together and now everyone won't be calling for Johnny and he'll likely drink himself out of the league before training camp if he makes it that long.

The club did improve to 7-9 and was at one point 7-4 and alone in first place with Hoyer. The downturn came with the injury to Alex Mack and the return of Gordon and the public clamoring for Manziel that created unbearable pressure on Brian and he caved. Mack will be back, JG is gone, and Manziel has been exposed.

Now...read, respond, and try to do so without blowing a gasket.

Then, try this one

Irrelevant, if the Browns don't think he's worth the franchise tag (I don't think he is, they don't seem to either) then he's free to go wherever he wants to and it's been speculated for months (even before the collapse) that he's gone.

I'll give you a hint, see bolded, then read your response.

I don't think anyone is going to pay Jordan Cameron franchise tight end money with his concussion history so I did gloss over that point because I don't agree with it at all.

If you think that he will get franchise money then who would pay him that considering his concussion history?

Maybe this second time around when you actually read what I write instead of playing make your own story you will understand what I am getting at and respond appropriately, again, without blowing a gasket.

Maybe.

Maybe?

I don't care if he's an unrestricted free agent and that its been widely speculated that he's gone. I also do not care about the point that you think is so important that you keep hammering away because its a terrible take. The reason is very simple, Cameron's salary demands are unattainable due to his concussion history.

In the end I think he will be resigned by the Browns which is what I said originally. So we'll just disagree on this since you obviously believe otherwise.

 

[MAC_32]

Relax, Francis.

I don't believe anything other than that he is going to explore the open market.

Your immediate jump to the defense is rather funny though.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi puts the Browns' odds of re-signing free agent Brian Hoyer at 51 percent.

With Johnny Manziel in rehab, Hoyer's odds of returning to his hometown team have certainly increased. Hoyer has sounded like a man intent on cashing in, but there's a strong chance the Browns will end up his best payday opportunity. Of course, if Hoyer catches wind that he'd have to have a legitimate competition with Johnny Football, he may endeavor to move on no matter what.

Source: Tony Grossi on Twitter
Feb 3 - 4:48 PM