It’s honestly just lazy analysis at this point.
Bottom line: if Purdy had been a 1st round pick instead of Mr. Irrelevant, people wouldn’t be going out of their way to diminish what he’s accomplishing.
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QB Brock Purdy, SF (2 Viewers)
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Bottom line: if Purdy had been a 1st round pick instead of Mr. Irrelevant, people wouldn’t be going out of their way to diminish what he’s accomplishing.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Yep. Having a super strong arm is overrated. Being able to read defenses quickly and making good decisions are far more important, and he seems to have those attributes.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Ask and ye shall receive. I think this was already posted.
48.6% of Brock Purdy's passing yards this season are coming from YAC.
That's less than each of the past 3 MVP winners:
2020 Aaron Rodgers: 52.2%
2021 Aaron Rodgers: 52.7%
2022 Patrick Mahomes: 54.3%
No dink and dunk here.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
No he isn't...
If Purdy was on Carolina, Tennessee, Arizona he would be a bottom end QB.
I think it be funny if at some point Sam Darnold got a chance to play in that offense and watch his numbers be good.
Were Jimmy Garopollos #s good?
This is foolish. You sound like someone who doesn't actually watch the games.
I guess this is your hot take. Not gonna bother debating this.
Shawnky
Footballguy
Everything you’re saying is purely hypothetical. There’s nothing factual being stated on your part.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Purdy would be good on any decent team, including Houston, who doesn't have the roster, but does have the coaching. In SF, with Shanahan, he goes from good to league MVP.
Arm strength for QB is like long speed for RBs. Overrated metrics that can help a lot when everything else is in tow, but aren't absolutely required.
Arm strength for QB is like long speed for RBs. Overrated metrics that can help a lot when everything else is in tow, but aren't absolutely required.
Hugsy_Malone
Footballguy
Arm strength is totally required for all NFL QBs. If you can't make the throws, then defenses pack the box and funnel everything outside of the hash marks. Purdy's arm strength isn't great, but it's NFL-caliber arm strength. He can pretty much make all the throws required.
Guys like Pennington and Kellen Moore had processing out the wazoo but not the arm strength to ever be difference-makers in the league. (Pennington especially saw what arm strength meant after his surgeries on his throwing shoulder rendered him unusable in the NFL.)
Arm strength is a prerequisite for NFL quarterbacking for sure. It's the GMs that fall in love with cannon arms and no processing that give arm strength a bad name in the evaluation field. But you need to have a certain amount (and a lot of it) to play.
Guys like Pennington and Kellen Moore had processing out the wazoo but not the arm strength to ever be difference-makers in the league. (Pennington especially saw what arm strength meant after his surgeries on his throwing shoulder rendered him unusable in the NFL.)
Arm strength is a prerequisite for NFL quarterbacking for sure. It's the GMs that fall in love with cannon arms and no processing that give arm strength a bad name in the evaluation field. But you need to have a certain amount (and a lot of it) to play.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Neither did Young nor Gannon. Nor Stabler. Burrow's arm is avg. Matt Ryan. Tua. I'm sure I'm forgetting plenty of others.
fantasycurse42
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The 30 second mark, my favorite play of this game. Freeze it right there. While I’d bet big money he’d hit Kittle if CMC was taken away bc he’s as good going through his progressions as any 2nd year QB can be, he knows he’s got CMC on the choice route. As soon as CMC makes his break, he puts the ball in the air from his own 45 to the Eagles 30 and drops the ball with pinpoint accuracy. He puts the ball right in the correct window all game every game, but this one is my favorite from this game. He’s accurate, usually makes the proper read, and not afraid of going for the big play, this is him as a player.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
And you sound like someone who don't understand the QB position and a QB is as good as the guys around him..
Like I said, How would Purdy be on Carolina, Tennessee, Atlanta, or even Houston.
Purdy is a guy who has benefitted from being around a good offense, nothing more.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
I also think it's funny when SF did have injuries this season, Purdy looked like a turd QB in their losing streak.. But keep ignoring FACTS.
MCFootball123
Footballguy
Yeah I will just pile on here - Purdy has started since week 2 for me in 2 of my 3 big money leagues so I've watched all the games. Total real deal and has come back stronger this year than last. I suspect that will continue into next year as well, he is a lot better athlete this year. There are no issues with arm strength, he doesn't pull off the Josh Allen special that works once a game, but he can make every throw needed and his all around QB play is as good as anyone in the league. It's still so early - I think he gets even better next year.
MCFootball123
Footballguy
What are you even saying though? Mahomes is the best in the world, his supporting cast sucks this year - he's been very underwhelming.
The only point people are making is Purdy is a legit talent and executes at an extremely high level. Of course QB's are heavily influenced by their supporting cast and o-line, that's every QB ever. No QB would be thriving in Carolina right now, no weapons, no line.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
He is only legit cause of the talent around him.. Take Purdy stats with a grain of salt.
People already comparing him to Young and Montana..LOL
farfromforgotten
Footballguy
I guess you get credit for holding onto your bad Purdy takes longer than anyone else.
So there’s that.
He’s waiting for Purdy to have that one bad game so he can run back and say,”SEE! I told you so!”
You’ve been trying so hard and waiting so patiently, buddy. It may come this year, but it might be the Super Bowl before it happens.
farfromforgotten
Footballguy
Why don’t you ding Young/Montana for their careers, playing under and alongside the coaches and players they played with?
I think we need to go back and re-examine all the former MVP’s and if they played with elite players on offense(a Jerry Rice for example) then they should be forced to relinquish the trophy!
Streetduck
Footballguy
Well nice opinion but alas that's all it is. I would say the Falcons would be 9-3 anyway and much, much better than they are with Ridder. Your response carries no weight IMHO.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
This guy has to be trolling, right?
I’ll end with these facts:
18-4 win/loss, although an asterisk can be placed on 4th since he was injured on the first series of the game.
337/502 (69% completion), 36TD/10INT, 4,559 Yards, and an astounding 9.1 ypa
These are his stats to start his career, it’s amazing. A fan couldn’t dream up a better start to a QB’s career. In fact, when teams draft a QB in the 1st round moving forward, I’ll assume the GM prays that his new QB’s numbers are even 75% of what Brock’s are.
One can assume 1 of the following 4 things with your statements in this thread:
A) you’ve barely watched him play
B) you know nothing about football
C) you’re being willfully obtuse
D) you’re trolling
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and leave it at D and move along.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Also, if being a turd QB is leading your team down the field on the road to kick a game winning 40 yard FG on the final drive of the game, load me up with some laxatives.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I’m sure Tommy DeVito would’ve had the same career with Rice/Taylor/Jones/Craig/etc as Montana.
LawFitz
Footballguy
First part of your statement is true. Starred part is where you lose any credibility.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
The Eagles destroyed SF in that 1st quarter, they had negative yards in the first 15. A lesser QB folds, someone with the poise of Brock rises up and leads his team on 6 straight TD drives. He’s going to be a stud for a long time to come. We need to win 2 Super Bowls while he’s still dirt cheap.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Three years left on that clock, including this one. Hitting on a rookie QB, especially a late round one is such a golden ticket.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I’m not sure the CBA, but I think he can get an extension after the 3rd year? If so, he’ll have earned it basically being the lowest paid QB in the NFL.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Trent Williams is SFs OL. Without him, it'd be ranked 32. When he was out for those 3 games, the running game was nonexistant, which as Im sure you know, will affect the passing game, especially for a young QB. In those 3 games, Purdy tried to do too much and threw a few picks. Not the end of the world, and not totally on him. Part of the learning process for a young QB with less than a years starts under his belt at the time. Or are young QBs not allowed to make mistakes while they learn?
Here's a quote from Shanahan Monday
"I just think this game's too hard for anybody to win consistently one dimensional. When you can take away people's run game, it puts a lot of pressure on not just the quarterback, but the O-Line and for a whole team. That's how we feel when our run game is taken away too. It makes everyone's job a lot harder."
Just trying to help you understand how it works, but hold on to your hate. It'll be much sweeter when he wins a Super Bowl and you're still trying to convince people that he sucks.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
But what does he do so well which isn't a result of him being in a great offense with top players around him?
What does he do so well, that would make him the same type of QB who puts on numbers on Carolina, Atlanta, Arizona?
The guy without CMAC, Debo, Aiyuk, Kittle, his OL is just another middle of the pack-low end QB.
How did Josh Johnson do last year against the Eagles?
Wingnut
Footballguy
So Super Bowls are the only measuring stick against Montana and Young?
A player can have attributes of other players without being those players.
Montana didn't have a big arm, but he had poise, football IQ, accuracy, fast processing, field vision, pocket awareness/movement....Purdy has all of those things. Of course he's not at Joes level, but Jesus Christ, the kid was the last pick in the draft. Give him some credit for F sake.
He's shattered every expectation anyone had for him, and is playing at an elite level right now. But you just wanna tear him down because you hate the 49ers and/or don't want him to be good. Its so bizarre to me.
dmac37
Footballguy
Show us on the doll where Mr. Purdy hurt you.
Todem
Footballguy
farfromforgotten
Footballguy
Mahomes became the best QB in the league playing with Hill, Kelce, their o-line, and being coached by Reid.
He wasn’t Mr. Irrelevant but he wasn’t a sure thing coming into the league either. We don’t know how he would have ended up in another system. It’s a pointless argument you’re trying to make.
Edit: Pickett went to a well established franchise with a recent history of offensive success. Yet he isn’t performing. It’s not like he has no talent around him and you couldn’t name another SF olineman outside of Trent Williams.
It's clear from watching and reading about him that he has some elite traits, including field vision and processing.
Naturally with that you need good playcalling, playmakers and protection (often as a function of QB scrambling ability as well which points back to QB skills) as part of a successful system/team.
Purdy already seems to be a very good QB and likely much better than that...a larger sample size will tell us,
Naturally with that you need good playcalling, playmakers and protection (often as a function of QB scrambling ability as well which points back to QB skills) as part of a successful system/team.
Purdy already seems to be a very good QB and likely much better than that...a larger sample size will tell us,
Wingnut
Footballguy
What Purdy is doing behind that O Line is pretty remarkable.
Official Objective Pass Protection Ratings composite. (table in link)
SFs O Line is 23rd.
Official Objective Pass Protection Ratings composite. (table in link)
SFs O Line is 23rd.
I get people still thinking hes more a product of the players around him. I get people still thinking hes not a top 10 QB in the league. I get still thinking there are questions surrounding him.
What makes absolutely no sense whatsoever is saying if the draft was done over he would be a day 2 or day 3 pick as absolute lunacy and makes me think the person knows absolutely nothing about football. He would be a top 3 pick if the 2022 draft was done over again. Only guys I can see taking over him would be Sauce Gardner and Aiden Hutchinson.
What makes absolutely no sense whatsoever is saying if the draft was done over he would be a day 2 or day 3 pick as absolute lunacy and makes me think the person knows absolutely nothing about football. He would be a top 3 pick if the 2022 draft was done over again. Only guys I can see taking over him would be Sauce Gardner and Aiden Hutchinson.
Hurts on Car probably sucks too
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Legitimately laughed out loud.
Streetduck
Footballguy
Was it Purdy? Was it the players replacing the injured players? Those games weren’t terrible save 1 (Happens to the best) Your so out numbered here it’s ridiculous, you obviously are just having a good time stirring the pot. Enjoy, not interested.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
With what we know now, I believe he would be drafted 1 overall. No GM is crazy enough to pass up on an elite, franchise QB.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Exactly. That’s the # 1 trait that I want to see in a QB. Which QB in today’s game does it better than him? I can’t think of one.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Burrow, Mahomes for sure. Maybe Tua, and I'd say Stroud (and at his best, Allen) in the AFC.
NFC: Dak, at his very best. Maybe.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Fan of Purdy, but he's not (yet) the best QB in the NFL. He's part of the best QB/situation combo in the NFL. And that's zero disrespect to him. Brock's a baller. But so is Shanahan (and crew).
Most important, generally top QB + top coach/org = Lombardi trophy(ies). Emphasis on top v. best.
Most important, generally top QB + top coach/org = Lombardi trophy(ies). Emphasis on top v. best.
MCFootball123
Footballguy
Just going to drop a few nuggets for the ignorant folk who think Purdy sucks..
- 43% of Purdy’s throw are considered short throws. 45% of Daks throws are considered short throws Dak throws short 2% more than Brock Purdy throws behind LOS 14% of the time ranked 27th behind likes of Mahomes, Herbert, Lamar, Dak and Hurts.
- Brock Purdy’s percentage of passing yards that come after the catch: 48.6% Last 5 MVP’s: Mahomes 2022- 54.3% Rodgers 2021- 52.7% Rodgers 2020- 52.3% Lamar 2019- 43.5% Mahomes 2018- 51.2%
- The 49ers are 6th worst in team pass block grade. Brock Purdy is 1st in EPA per play. Purdy aDOT is 8th highest in the NFL.
Also in case anyone forgot he's coming fresh off an injury to his throwing arm several predicted would end his career. Can he improve? Who can't. This kid is special and has "it".
- 43% of Purdy’s throw are considered short throws. 45% of Daks throws are considered short throws Dak throws short 2% more than Brock Purdy throws behind LOS 14% of the time ranked 27th behind likes of Mahomes, Herbert, Lamar, Dak and Hurts.
- Brock Purdy’s percentage of passing yards that come after the catch: 48.6% Last 5 MVP’s: Mahomes 2022- 54.3% Rodgers 2021- 52.7% Rodgers 2020- 52.3% Lamar 2019- 43.5% Mahomes 2018- 51.2%
- The 49ers are 6th worst in team pass block grade. Brock Purdy is 1st in EPA per play. Purdy aDOT is 8th highest in the NFL.
Also in case anyone forgot he's coming fresh off an injury to his throwing arm several predicted would end his career. Can he improve? Who can't. This kid is special and has "it".
