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FOX's Jay Glazer confirms the Panthers are expected to select Alabama QB Bryce Young at No. 1 overall Thursday evening.​

This has been conventional wisdom for weeks, but you always see a few contrarian takes/leaks near draft time. Glazer, whose word is as good as it gets in scoop merchant circles, says it is happening. He also reports the Bears were originally only attempting to trade down to No. 2 with the Texans (with the eventual intention of then moving again to No. 9), and that Houston was set to select Young at No. 1 overall. Instead, the move fell apart, Carolina now has the top selection, and the Texans haven't made their No. 2 intentions known. If/when Young officially goes No. 1, he will somehow become the first top selection in the history of Alabama football.
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SOURCE: Jay Glazer on Twitter
Apr 27, 2023, 2:11 PM ET
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Panthers selected Alabama QB Bryce Young with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2023 NFL Draft.​

A decorated high school star from California’s storied Mater Dei, Young (5’10/204) spent a year caddying for Mac Jones at Alabama before winning the Heisman Trophy as a first-year starter in 2021. Although Young took a statistical step back for Bama’s "down" 2022 squad, he did nothing to dent his standing as a consensus top-five pick. A born playmaker with a preternatural sense for the rush and elite off-script ability, Young is also fundamentally sound with excellent footwork and pocket mechanics. No one will claim Young has the 2023 class’ best arm, but it’s good enough, while his overall awareness and football smarts are unmatched in this group. With the only true concern being his size, Young is a high-floor swing for the quarterback-desperate Panthers, albeit one who might not experience much initial fantasy success with a severely-lacking supporting cast.
Apr 27, 2023, 8:19 PM ET
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The Athletic's Joseph Person says Bryce Young will enter OTAs as the Panthers' No. 2 quarterback on the depth chart.​

There's little reason to throw Young into the fire with Andy Dalton already on the roster. Panthers head coach Frank Reich said of Young, "He's got enough going on right now. I just want him to come in and learn the offense and not have to worry about stepping into the limelight." Reich added that Young will "have to earn" the starting quarterback job, which we fully expect him to do by the time Week 1 rolls around. It wouldn't be surprising to see Young work behind Dalton for most of the offseason, only to leapfrog him at some point through training camp as he becomes more familiar with the offense.
SOURCE: The Athletic
May 1, 2023, 8:16 AM ET
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Faust said:

The Athletic's Joseph Person says Bryce Young will enter OTAs as the Panthers' No. 2 quarterback on the depth chart.​

There's little reason to throw Young into the fire with Andy Dalton already on the roster. Panthers head coach Frank Reich said of Young, "He's got enough going on right now. I just want him to come in and learn the offense and not have to worry about stepping into the limelight." Reich added that Young will "have to earn" the starting quarterback job, which we fully expect him to do by the time Week 1 rolls around. It wouldn't be surprising to see Young work behind Dalton for most of the offseason, only to leapfrog him at some point through training camp as he becomes more familiar with the offense.
SOURCE: The Athletic
May 1, 2023, 8:16 AM ET
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Dalton has developed a nice late career surge as a guy who can do just enough to earn an early season start, flop, and open the door for the franchise QB.
 

Panthers HC Frank Reich said Bryce Young "showed complete command" of the offense in his first practice with the team.​

Young enters OTAs as the Panthers' QB2, but it sounds like he's made a strong first impression on the field. In addition to his command of the huddle and the offense, Young and rookie receiver Jonathan Mingo reportedly spent all of Thursday preparing for Friday's practice in hopes of making the most of their minicamp experience. Young reportedly showed good rapport with Mingo on the day and also connected with former 2019 fourth-round draft pick Gary Jennings, who is trying out for the team, on a deep pass to end the day. Reich's comments are exactly the kind of "coach speak" we'd expect to hear at this point in the season, but they're encouraging nonetheless.
SOURCE: Charlotte Observer
May 12, 2023, 5:52 PM ET
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Faust said:

Panthers HC Frank Reich said Bryce Young "showed complete command" of the offense in his first practice with the team.​

Young enters OTAs as the Panthers' QB2, but it sounds like he's made a strong first impression on the field. In addition to his command of the huddle and the offense, Young and rookie receiver Jonathan Mingo reportedly spent all of Thursday preparing for Friday's practice in hopes of making the most of their minicamp experience. Young reportedly showed good rapport with Mingo on the day and also connected with former 2019 fourth-round draft pick Gary Jennings, who is trying out for the team, on a deep pass to end the day. Reich's comments are exactly the kind of "coach speak" we'd expect to hear at this point in the season, but they're encouraging nonetheless.
SOURCE: Charlotte Observer
May 12, 2023, 5:52 PM ET
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Welcome to coachspeak “the player we drafted is everything we ever dreamed he’d be” season.
 
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Question to Frank Reich: What’s the one moment, the one thing, that clinched your conviction that Bryce Young should be the first pick in the draft?

Thinking. Thinking.

“It happened on his 30 visit,” Reich said, referring to one of the 30 visits by prospects to team facilities that each team is allowed to host. Young was at Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte on April 11, talking deep football with Reich, offensive coordinator Thomas Brown and QB coach Josh McCown. They were talking protections—how a quarterback manages and changes blocking calls at the line of scrimmage.

Young and the coaches were talking about a play they’d seen in their scouting process. It happened in garbage time during Young’s true freshman year, in his second college game. Alabama at Tennessee, Oct. 24, 2020, 10 months to the weekend that Young had been playing high school ball in Santa Ana, Calif.

This third-and-six call from the ‘Bama 38 was the 10th called pass play of Bryce Young’s college career. He was 19 years, 3 months old.

You can watch the play right here, first from the sideline angle, then from the endzone view:
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On the surface, it’s nothing special—a 12-yard third-down conversion pass to John Metchie with Alabama up 48-17. Certainly no one in attendance would remember the play. You know who’d remember it? Coaches who were looking for clues to judge Young’s mastery of his offense, and something no fan would notice but lifetime football people certainly would.

Young was in shotgun at the snap, with running back Najee Harris snug to his right. Tennessee had four potential rushers to the left of center and only one to the right. As Young prepared to snap, a fifth Vol pass-rusher snuck to the line outside the left tackle. Young called out an adjustment. Center Landon Dickerson pointed left while Young said something to Harris to his right. Then the right guard pointed to his left. Then, at the last second, a Tennessee safety sprinted toward the line over the right tackle.

Snap.

The right tackle paused, then teamed with the right guard to move left and block the rusher up the middle. Dickerson handled the defensive tackle. A Tennessee blitzer blasted through the B gap—but Harris was there to neutralize him. Alex Leatherwood, the left tackle, pushed the wide blitzer out of the pocket.

Young waited for Metchie to get to the top of his 12-yard stop route. As the receiver turned, the ball was right on him. First down. Gain of 12. Young was not touched.

“Bryce right there called a five-man slide, which is an incredibly smart and incredibly risky call,” Reich said, watching the play while dictating a voice note to me. “If you’re going to call a five-man slide, you have to be 100 percent sure you can bring that
tackle over. Because if you bring him and that [left defensive] end comes, you’re in trouble. And just watch the play—how smooth the call is, how sure he is. He saw overload pressure to his left, he figured he wasn’t getting pressure to his right, he had the line all move left to compensate—and he even got the back to cover a blitzer. Just look how easy he made it look.

“That play just confirmed everything we were thinking and already know. Just confirmed the level of football IQ he has that’s on par with Peyton [Manning], [Matt] Ryan, [Philip] Rivers, [Andrew] Luck. I’m telling you: There are quarterbacks in the NFL who haven’t done what he did right there—and he did it easily in his true freshman year in college. To have the confidence to make that call for Alabama in his second college game. Unreal.”

This play, showing this knowledge of the game, is one reason there is no doubt in my mind that Young will begin the season as Carolina’s starting quarterback. The Panthers might have Andy Daltonnumber one on the depth chart today, but Dalton’s the definition of placeholder. I don’t know if Young will succeed, or if the huge size disadvantage will catch up to him. But from this play and from everything I’ve heard and seen, the game will not be too big for Young. The 10th pass of his 949-pass college career showed the Carolina coaches that.


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He's scary accurate and great moving around to find an open receiver. I think some of you are seriously going to look foolish. Perhaps as foolish as I did saying the Colts wouldn't draft AR.
 
JohnnyU said:
He's scary accurate and great moving around to find an open receiver. I think some of you are seriously going to look foolish. Perhaps as foolish as I did saying the Colts wouldn't draft AR.
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Many of us don’t question his ability. I don’t think he is going to make it through mostbseasons at his small size. When he is healthy and on the field, he should be a good QB in the NFL but how many hits can that small frame withstand!
 
DocHolliday said:
JohnnyU said:
He's scary accurate and great moving around to find an open receiver. I think some of you are seriously going to look foolish. Perhaps as foolish as I did saying the Colts wouldn't draft AR.
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Many of us don’t question his ability. I don’t think he is going to make it through mostbseasons at his small size. When he is healthy and on the field, he should be a good QB in the NFL but how many hits can that small frame withstand!
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Young doesn’t think run first, but is very mobile to get out of harm’s way. He’s 5’10 204.

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JohnnyU said:
He's scary accurate and great moving around to find an open receiver. I think some of you are seriously going to look foolish. Perhaps as foolish as I did saying the Colts wouldn't draft AR.
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I actually do like his chances at being a very good QB.

Unfortunately I also like his chances of spending a lot of time on IR because he really is very tiny - and I mean slight of frame more than height.

I get that he’s good at evading pressure by sliding around in the pocket, but with the size/speed of NFL defenders I’d hold my breath every time.

All it takes is 1.

Pretty much everything I’ve said here is tongue-in-cheek. This post is not. I’ve watched a ton of his film and I’m very impressed by his play. He’s a special QB, who can make magic with the ball in his hands.

Im just skeptical he’ll have a long and storied career. Brees was thicker, as is Murray, and as was Russ. His playing weight is likely south of 190, and that’s a problem.

If there wasn’t an ARich, I’d probably be drafting BY and building a prayer shrine with candles & s***.

Plus I need a starter this year, and he’s likely sitting behind Dalton.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
JohnnyU said:
He's scary accurate and great moving around to find an open receiver. I think some of you are seriously going to look foolish. Perhaps as foolish as I did saying the Colts wouldn't draft AR.
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I actually do like his chances at being a very good QB.

Unfortunately I also like his chances of spending a lot of time on IR because he really is very tiny - and I mean slight of frame more than height.

I get that he’s good at evading pressure by sliding around in the pocket, but with the size/speed of NFL defenders I’d hold my breath every time.

All it takes is 1.

Pretty much everything I’ve said here is tongue-in-cheek. This post is not. I’ve watched a ton of his film and I’m very impressed by his play. He’s a special QB, who can make magic with the ball in his hands.

Im just skeptical he’ll have a long and storied career. Brees was thicker, as is Murray, and as was Russ. His playing weight is likely south of 190, and that’s a problem.

If there wasn’t an ARich, I’d probably be drafting BY and building a prayer shrine with candles & s***.

Plus I need a starter this year, and he’s likely sitting behind Dalton.
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WRONG. Murray is 5’10” 207. Young is 5’10” 204
 
JohnnyU said:
WRONG. Murray is 5’10” 207. Young is 5’10” 204
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Please. Young is 204 after not pooping for 3 days and chaining himself to a Waffle House.

He didn’t run or throw at that weight, and then he didn’t weigh in at his pro day when he shrank back down to run & throw.

Don’t gimme this all-caps WRONG nonsense. The dude is slender. He isn’t going to be playing at 200+ & never has.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
JohnnyU said:
WRONG. Murray is 5’10” 207. Young is 5’10” 204
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Please. Young is 204 after not pooping for 3 days and chaining himself to a Waffle House.

He didn’t run or throw at that weight, and then he didn’t weigh in at his pro day when he shrank back down to run & throw.

Don’t gimme this all-caps WRONG nonsense. The dude is slender. He isn’t going to be playing at 200+ & never has.
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Ok Francis
 
I think he's going to be the anti-Justin Fields next season. As in a really good real life QB but not very good for fantasy. The bar is not high but I think he'll be in the conversation after his rookie season for being as good as the second best QB in the NFC and I don't want to put any ceiling on him.

I just don't like him for fantasy until he gets better weapons. He does not run much and I just don't see a lot of big statistical output with this group he's got.
 
menobrown said:
I think he's going to be the anti-Justin Fields next season. As in a really good real life QB but not very good for fantasy. The bar is not high but I think he'll be in the conversation after his rookie season for being as good as the second best QB in the NFC and I don't want to put any ceiling on him.

I just don't like him for fantasy until he gets better weapons. He does not run much and I just don't see a lot of big statistical output with this group he's got.
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I agree to some degree, but I love his ability to improvise and his accuracy. He will be a better version of Russell Wilson.
 
JohnnyU said:
menobrown said:
I think he's going to be the anti-Justin Fields next season. As in a really good real life QB but not very good for fantasy. The bar is not high but I think he'll be in the conversation after his rookie season for being as good as the second best QB in the NFC and I don't want to put any ceiling on him.

I just don't like him for fantasy until he gets better weapons. He does not run much and I just don't see a lot of big statistical output with this group he's got.
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I agree to some degree, but I love his ability to improvise and his accuracy. He will be a better version of Russell Wilson.
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I don't disagree which is why I'm so high on him in real life.

But for fantasy he does not run nearly as much as Wilson did early in his career. Much smaller part of his game and for fantasy that's tough to overcome with that subpar group he has to work with. Mingo might even be good one day but he's a real advanced player, Thielen was one of the worst WR's in the whole league last year, Hurts is a spar, Chark is ok but rehabbing and not exactly a difference maker. Rough group.
 
menobrown said:
JohnnyU said:
menobrown said:
I think he's going to be the anti-Justin Fields next season. As in a really good real life QB but not very good for fantasy. The bar is not high but I think he'll be in the conversation after his rookie season for being as good as the second best QB in the NFC and I don't want to put any ceiling on him.

I just don't like him for fantasy until he gets better weapons. He does not run much and I just don't see a lot of big statistical output with this group he's got.
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I agree to some degree, but I love his ability to improvise and his accuracy. He will be a better version of Russell Wilson.
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I don't disagree which is why I'm so high on him in real life.

But for fantasy he does not run nearly as much as Wilson did early in his career. Much smaller part of his game and for fantasy that's tough to overcome with that subpar group he has to work with. Mingo might even be good one day but he's a real advanced player, Thielen was one of the worst WR's in the whole league last year, Hurts is a spar, Chark is ok but rehabbing and not exactly a difference maker. Rough group.
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You’re thinking too narrow when it comes to his weapons. Things change quickly in the NFL, unless you’re the Browns. Don’t have that microwave mentality.
 
menobrown said:
JohnnyU said:
menobrown said:
I think he's going to be the anti-Justin Fields next season. As in a really good real life QB but not very good for fantasy. The bar is not high but I think he'll be in the conversation after his rookie season for being as good as the second best QB in the NFC and I don't want to put any ceiling on him.

I just don't like him for fantasy until he gets better weapons. He does not run much and I just don't see a lot of big statistical output with this group he's got.
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I agree to some degree, but I love his ability to improvise and his accuracy. He will be a better version of Russell Wilson.
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I don't disagree which is why I'm so high on him in real life.

But for fantasy he does not run nearly as much as Wilson did early in his career. Much smaller part of his game and for fantasy that's tough to overcome with that subpar group he has to work with. Mingo might even be good one day but he's a real advanced player, Thielen was one of the worst WR's in the whole league last year, Hurts is a spar, Chark is ok but rehabbing and not exactly a difference maker. Rough group.
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Agree completely. He uses his feet to extend plays but he’s not going to give much in the rushing stats department. Which means he needs to hit Burrow/Mahomes levels to be a difference maker in 1 QB leagues. Like Justin Herbert is damn good but hasn’t even really been a difference maker yet. If we plopped Herbert into that offense for 23 with those weapons, he’s a backend QB1 in my view.

If you take size out of the equation I have no question about Bryce being an awesome franchise QB, and I’m not worried about his size in this NFL so there you go. If they surround him with real weapons he’s going to pump out big numbers. Question is, how long until the weapons arrive. Mingo is a good start. Think he’ll be an excellent security blanket, but that’s all they have right now. With draft capital lacking it might be awhile.
 
JohnnyU said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
JohnnyU said:
He's scary accurate and great moving around to find an open receiver. I think some of you are seriously going to look foolish. Perhaps as foolish as I did saying the Colts wouldn't draft AR.
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I actually do like his chances at being a very good QB.

Unfortunately I also like his chances of spending a lot of time on IR because he really is very tiny - and I mean slight of frame more than height.

I get that he’s good at evading pressure by sliding around in the pocket, but with the size/speed of NFL defenders I’d hold my breath every time.

All it takes is 1.

Pretty much everything I’ve said here is tongue-in-cheek. This post is not. I’ve watched a ton of his film and I’m very impressed by his play. He’s a special QB, who can make magic with the ball in his hands.

Im just skeptical he’ll have a long and storied career. Brees was thicker, as is Murray, and as was Russ. His playing weight is likely south of 190, and that’s a problem.

If there wasn’t an ARich, I’d probably be drafting BY and building a prayer shrine with candles & s***.

Plus I need a starter this year, and he’s likely sitting behind Dalton.
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WRONG. Murray is 5’10” 207. Young is 5’10” 204
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Young doesn’t play at 204. There is a reason he did zero drills at the combine at that weight.

He plays at around 190 at most.

I drafted him in a dynasty league but let’s be honest. He’s tiny. In todays NFL where they don’t allow QBs to be hit it might not matter.
 
I dont anyone can deny the talent but he was surrounded by nfl caliber players at every position in college. In looking at the Carolina depth chart, the wr are well below average. In fact, I dont think any of the starters would start elsewhere- thielan, Clark and t Marshall. Add in te options poor. The ol is projected as average at best. Rb decent but sanders ran behind the best o-line last year. So we have a rookie qb with below average offensive talent. Think expectations should be low, meaning I see him as qb 24-32.
 
stlrams said:
I dont anyone can deny the talent but he was surrounded by nfl caliber players at every position in college. In looking at the Carolina depth chart, the wr are well below average. In fact, I dont think any of the starters would start elsewhere- thielan, Clark and t Marshall. Add in te options poor. The ol is projected as average at best. Rb decent but sanders ran behind the best o-line last year. So we have a rookie qb with below average offensive talent. Think expectations should be low, meaning I see him as qb 24-32.
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Things change quickly in the NFL.
 
stlrams said:
I dont anyone can deny the talent but he was surrounded by nfl caliber players at every position in college. In looking at the Carolina depth chart, the wr are well below average. In fact, I dont think any of the starters would start elsewhere- thielan, Clark and t Marshall. Add in te options poor. The ol is projected as average at best. Rb decent but sanders ran behind the best o-line last year. So we have a rookie qb with below average offensive talent. Think expectations should be low, meaning I see him as qb 24-32.
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I'm a little higher, I'd say QB 20-24. Playing in the NFC South helps.

While I would agree they don't have a #1 caliber WR, I would strongly disagree that Thielen, Chark and Marshall wouldn't start anywhere. They are all starting caliber WRs, just more #2/#3 guys. Young actually had less NFL talent around him than any Bama QB in recent memory, and yet he's the best of the group. Its also possible he's asked to run more in Carolina, he's pretty mobile, but wasn't asked to do it much at Bama.

Hot Sauce Guy said:
He also might sit for a year behind Dalton, though I’d expect him to be starting by week 7
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99.9% chance Young starts week 1. I'd say that's also true of Stroud and Richardson as well. Dalton's certainly better than Mills/Minshew, but he's not holding Young on the bench, not after what they gave up for him, and not in a division that Carolina can absolutely win this year.
 
ILUVBEER99 said:
JohnnyU said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
JohnnyU said:
He's scary accurate and great moving around to find an open receiver. I think some of you are seriously going to look foolish. Perhaps as foolish as I did saying the Colts wouldn't draft AR.
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I actually do like his chances at being a very good QB.

Unfortunately I also like his chances of spending a lot of time on IR because he really is very tiny - and I mean slight of frame more than height.

I get that he’s good at evading pressure by sliding around in the pocket, but with the size/speed of NFL defenders I’d hold my breath every time.

All it takes is 1.

Pretty much everything I’ve said here is tongue-in-cheek. This post is not. I’ve watched a ton of his film and I’m very impressed by his play. He’s a special QB, who can make magic with the ball in his hands.

Im just skeptical he’ll have a long and storied career. Brees was thicker, as is Murray, and as was Russ. His playing weight is likely south of 190, and that’s a problem.

If there wasn’t an ARich, I’d probably be drafting BY and building a prayer shrine with candles & s***.

Plus I need a starter this year, and he’s likely sitting behind Dalton.
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WRONG. Murray is 5’10” 207. Young is 5’10” 204
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Young doesn’t play at 204. There is a reason he did zero drills at the combine at that weight.

He plays at around 190 at most.

I drafted him in a dynasty league but let’s be honest. He’s tiny. In todays NFL where they don’t allow QBs to be hit it might not matter.
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This is the problem. He’s not playing at 204 and is very slight of frame. I can’t imagine him taking many hits before his season is over.
 
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