To be fair, his counterpart Stroud isn't exactly playing with a bunch of Pro Bowlers. It's not all on either QB - the coaching staff and scheme are big factors - but I think it's too easy to just point to the surrounding cast.he's playing with the worst offensive collection I may have ever seen. I can't write a guy off when his cast is a made for local tv special.
To be fair, his counterpart Stroud isn't exactly playing with a bunch of Pro Bowlers. It's not all on either QB - the coaching staff and scheme are big factors - but I think it's too easy to just point to the surrounding cast.he's playing with the worst offensive collection I may have ever seen. I can't write a guy off when his cast is a made for local tv special.
Confirmation bias. They need to not be wrong.Surfing through Twitter it amazes me how many people still think he will be good
Sam Monson also played this card
stroud has a much better line. better rb. definitely better WRs (nico is a stud and tank is a slot/speed/route monster).
but yes, coaching and scheme are big factors too... im not even a big fan of bryce's... never have been... but i cant judge him at all on that team
Stroud line has been hurt all year. Sanders is better than Pierce. Nico Collins was nothing before CJ got there. Tank is a 3rd round rookie.To be fair, his counterpart Stroud isn't exactly playing with a bunch of Pro Bowlers. It's not all on either QB - the coaching staff and scheme are big factors - but I think it's too easy to just point to the surrounding cast.he's playing with the worst offensive collection I may have ever seen. I can't write a guy off when his cast is a made for local tv special.
stroud has a much better line. better rb. definitely better WRs (nico is a stud and tank is a slot/speed/route monster).
but yes, coaching and scheme are big factors too... im not even a big fan of bryce's... never have been... but i cant judge him at all on that team
Houston added FA like Schultz, who were somewhat productive in Dallas, same with Noah Brown. They also drafted Dell..To be fair, his counterpart Stroud isn't exactly playing with a bunch of Pro Bowlers. It's not all on either QB - the coaching staff and scheme are big factors - but I think it's too easy to just point to the surrounding cast.he's playing with the worst offensive collection I may have ever seen. I can't write a guy off when his cast is a made for local tv special.
Fields has had dynamic gamesHouston added FA like Schultz, who were somewhat productive in Dallas, same with Noah Brown. They also drafted Dell..To be fair, his counterpart Stroud isn't exactly playing with a bunch of Pro Bowlers. It's not all on either QB - the coaching staff and scheme are big factors - but I think it's too easy to just point to the surrounding cast.he's playing with the worst offensive collection I may have ever seen. I can't write a guy off when his cast is a made for local tv special.
For Young they added Adam Thielen, who has been ok, but is on the downside of his career.
So funny people want to dump Young after 10 games, but still want to continue to give a bum like Justin Fields more time.
Fields has had a few dynamic games, but he will be going into his 4th season.. Let give Young at least another year and see before he drum him a bust. The guy has literally played what 9 games?Fields has had dynamic gamesHouston added FA like Schultz, who were somewhat productive in Dallas, same with Noah Brown. They also drafted Dell..To be fair, his counterpart Stroud isn't exactly playing with a bunch of Pro Bowlers. It's not all on either QB - the coaching staff and scheme are big factors - but I think it's too easy to just point to the surrounding cast.he's playing with the worst offensive collection I may have ever seen. I can't write a guy off when his cast is a made for local tv special.
For Young they added Adam Thielen, who has been ok, but is on the downside of his career.
So funny people want to dump Young after 10 games, but still want to continue to give a bum like Justin Fields more time.
What are you hanging your hat on with Bryce? He’s short so the lanes seem compressed, he’s small so he can’t exactly take a pounding, the coaching looks like it can’t adjust and get any of these guys open. Fields show the abilitiy to win games by himself. I’m not saying he’s the be all end but young has a ways to go to hit his limited ceiling
Definitely.Let give Young at least another year
Trading the likely top pick in this loaded draft for this guy is insane. Franchise crippling decision.
You hate to see it.Trading the likely top pick in this loaded draft for this guy is insane. Franchise crippling decision.
Yep, its revisionist history to say otherwise. The team added a good RB, had a very good OLine and defense and finished 7-10 last year. Meanwhile the Texans finished 3-13-1. Now all of a sudden Houston has a lot more talent for CJ to work with than Bryce? I call BS here.Rookies drafted into best situations
This was in the off season. The NFL Gameday made a list of NFL rookies drafted into the best situations of all positions (surrounding talent, team, coach, etc). Bryce Young was #1, CJ Stroud wasn’t even ranked.
There is no choice but to give him another year. I'm not arguing against that, I'm just saying he has a world to go before reaching the low standards of Fields.Fields has had a few dynamic games, but he will be going into his 4th season.. Let give Young at least another year and see before he drum him a bust. The guy has literally played what 9 games?Fields has had dynamic gamesHouston added FA like Schultz, who were somewhat productive in Dallas, same with Noah Brown. They also drafted Dell..To be fair, his counterpart Stroud isn't exactly playing with a bunch of Pro Bowlers. It's not all on either QB - the coaching staff and scheme are big factors - but I think it's too easy to just point to the surrounding cast.he's playing with the worst offensive collection I may have ever seen. I can't write a guy off when his cast is a made for local tv special.
For Young they added Adam Thielen, who has been ok, but is on the downside of his career.
So funny people want to dump Young after 10 games, but still want to continue to give a bum like Justin Fields more time.
What are you hanging your hat on with Bryce? He’s short so the lanes seem compressed, he’s small so he can’t exactly take a pounding, the coaching looks like it can’t adjust and get any of these guys open. Fields show the abilitiy to win games by himself. I’m not saying he’s the be all end but young has a ways to go to hit his limited ceiling
Yeah, it’s pretty funny when folks act like CJ has a lot of talent around him and hasn’t been playing with 3rd string linemen the majority of the season.Rookies drafted into best situations
This was in the off season. The NFL Gameday made a list of NFL rookies drafted into the best situations of all positions (surrounding talent, team, coach, etc). Bryce Young was #1, CJ Stroud wasn’t even ranked.
Someone trying to lay the opinion that the Houston freaking Texans was a really sweet landing spot compared to poor Bryce might be the most egregious revisionist history I can remember.
It is too early to pass final judgement on Young. He needs at least this season and probably half of next season before he can truly be evaluated. That being said, he doesn’t look good and may not look as good as Stroud already does.To be fair, his counterpart Stroud isn't exactly playing with a bunch of Pro Bowlers. It's not all on either QB - the coaching staff and scheme are big factors - but I think it's too easy to just point to the surrounding cast.he's playing with the worst offensive collection I may have ever seen. I can't write a guy off when his cast is a made for local tv special.
stroud has a much better line. better rb. definitely better WRs (nico is a stud and tank is a slot/speed/route monster).
but yes, coaching and scheme are big factors too... im not even a big fan of bryce's... never have been... but i cant judge him at all on that team
Did your analysis have them playing with backup lineman all year, with a non existent running game?Someone trying to lay the opinion that the Houston freaking Texans was a really sweet landing spot compared to poor Bryce might be the most egregious revisionist history I can remember.
When I speak, it's because I can back it up.
My Summer Thoughts on the Texans
So yes, it was a great landing spot. Only suckers thought the Texans were a bad team.
I think his absolute ceiling is Jared Goff (not a poor man’s Jared Goff) which is very good. And I don’t think he is remotely close to Johnny Manziel.Surfing through Twitter it amazes me how many people still think he will be good. He’s a lot closer to Johnny Manziel than Kyler Murray. His absolute ceiling is a poor man’s Jared Goff.
I think that's Jordan LoveLooking like the Clyde Edwards of QB’s
He was outplayed by Tyson Bagent last night. That tells you all you need to know.I think that's Jordan LoveLooking like the Clyde Edwards of QB’s
I don't think that's accurate. The Bears outplayed the Panthers, if Young was the Bears QB and Bagent was the Panthers, the Bears would have won by double digits. I think we are learning more about Frank Reich and the Panthers coaching staff than we are about Young.He was outplayed by Tyson Bagent last night. That tells you all you need to know.I think that's Jordan LoveLooking like the Clyde Edwards of QB’s
He is shaping up to be a massive bust.
Young looks overmatched, not able to process and deliver like he did in college. Often looks confused and lacks 2nd and 3rd read reaction time. He’s 5’10” and struggles to see, even in a clean pocket. Does not slide and evade like he did at Alabama.I don't think that's accurate. The Bears outplayed the Panthers, if Young was the Bears QB and Bagent was the Panthers, the Bears would have won by double digits. I think we are learning more about Frank Reich and the Panthers coaching staff than we are about Young.He was outplayed by Tyson Bagent last night. That tells you all you need to know.I think that's Jordan LoveLooking like the Clyde Edwards of QB’s
He is shaping up to be a massive bust.
I'm certainly nowhere near ready to call it on a #1 overall pick. Young is playing better as a rookie than Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Matthew Stafford, and Jared Goff all did, and has been about equal to Trevor Lawrence.
I think this is a relatively normal rookie QB season, and people are overreacting, because CJ Stroud is having a very abnormal rookie QB season. I don't think Young is bad, I do think Stroud is very good.
I don't know if I'd go that far, WRs can only affect a game so much compared to a QB, look no further than Calvin Johnson's career. Having said that, you probably have to go back to Calvin for a WR prospect as good as Harrison.#1 pick should be Harrison Jr
I have him in 1QB dynasty. I would not really need to get a lot in return for him. Late second round pick? I mean, I picked him at #19 overall, and clearly his value should have plummeted from where it was. Not giving up on the guy, but I'd be fine to re-roll with a late second.In dynasty, what would you give for Bryce Young right now? I play 1QB, but 2QB as well.
He's on the block in two of my leagues, which is an indictment by itself. I have roster space, I have assets, I am just trying to work up some enthusiasm.
Adam Schefter
By firing Frank Reich, the Panthers believe they are trying to help Bryce Young. A reminder of what they gave up to get him:
Bears receive:
WR DJ Moore
2023 first-round pick (OT Darnell Wright)
2023 second-round pick (CB Tyrique Stevenson)
2024 first-round pick (currently No. 1 overall pick)
2025 second-round pick
Panthers receive:
2023 No. 1 pick (Bryce Young)
Taking into account the recency bias and hype; most places have him as a top 3 dynasty QB moving forward, behind only Mahomes and Hurts. I don't see how anyone can put him further down than 6 behind also Allen, Lamar, and Herbert (though I wouldn't myself). Only non-QB I'd think maybe is ahead of him is JJ. I'd say he's almost unmovable in SF due to what he's shown so far, his age, and his situation with Nico and Dell both being young as well. If I were in a SF dynasty start up, I'd have him on my board as 1.01.In dynasty, what would you give for Bryce Young right now? I play 1QB, but 2QB as well.
He's on the block in two of my leagues, which is an indictment by itself. I have roster space, I have assets, I am just trying to work up some enthusiasm.
You’re confusing this with the Stroud thread.Taking into account the recency bias and hype; most places have him as a top 3 dynasty QB moving forward, behind only Mahomes and Hurts. I don't see how anyone can put him further down than 6 behind also Allen, Lamar, and Herbert (though I wouldn't myself). Only non-QB I'd think maybe is ahead of him is JJ. I'd say he's almost unmovable in SF due to what he's shown so far, his age, and his situation with Nico and Dell both being young as well. If I were in a SF dynasty start up, I'd have him on my board as 1.01.In dynasty, what would you give for Bryce Young right now? I play 1QB, but 2QB as well.
He's on the block in two of my leagues, which is an indictment by itself. I have roster space, I have assets, I am just trying to work up some enthusiasm.
In non SF, I'd have him as a mid to late 2nd start up value at the latest. I'd say there are definitely 6 WRs, 4 RBs, and 1QB ahead of him, then I'd be considering taking him. He'd be bunched with Wilson, Olave, Taylor, Josh Allen, etc. for me. A tier above Waddle, Devonta, Addison, LaPorta, Aiyuk, etc.
Poop. My bad. This is what I get for avoiding work today.You’re confusing this with the Stroud thread.Taking into account the recency bias and hype; most places have him as a top 3 dynasty QB moving forward, behind only Mahomes and Hurts. I don't see how anyone can put him further down than 6 behind also Allen, Lamar, and Herbert (though I wouldn't myself). Only non-QB I'd think maybe is ahead of him is JJ. I'd say he's almost unmovable in SF due to what he's shown so far, his age, and his situation with Nico and Dell both being young as well. If I were in a SF dynasty start up, I'd have him on my board as 1.01.In dynasty, what would you give for Bryce Young right now? I play 1QB, but 2QB as well.
He's on the block in two of my leagues, which is an indictment by itself. I have roster space, I have assets, I am just trying to work up some enthusiasm.
In non SF, I'd have him as a mid to late 2nd start up value at the latest. I'd say there are definitely 6 WRs, 4 RBs, and 1QB ahead of him, then I'd be considering taking him. He'd be bunched with Wilson, Olave, Taylor, Josh Allen, etc. for me. A tier above Waddle, Devonta, Addison, LaPorta, Aiyuk, etc.