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QB Caleb Williams, CHI (3 Viewers)
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massraider
Footballguy
QB4 in my league over the last 4 weeks.
Max Power
Footballguy
He was awful today. Missed at least 5 throws by 10 feet today.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Yes, line didn’t help but absolutely ice cold out of the bye
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Is it him? Is it Shame Waldron? Both?
I put the blame on Shame. His “offense” is way too cute and gimmicky. Put your young QB in a position to succeed maybe?
He’s designing these weird plays, before the actual flipping play. A rookie QB needs LESS to think about.
It’s like Waldron is trying to be some dime store magician pre-snap - he needs to go or Caleb will never have a sane offense to run.
I put the blame on Shame. His “offense” is way too cute and gimmicky. Put your young QB in a position to succeed maybe?
He’s designing these weird plays, before the actual flipping play. A rookie QB needs LESS to think about.
It’s like Waldron is trying to be some dime store magician pre-snap - he needs to go or Caleb will never have a sane offense to run.
They never should have let Rypien go.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
If he called that lineman dive from the 1 he should be blackballed from the NFL for life. What was that? The Bears were lucky to be in a position to win, then the comedy of errors on the hail mary made all right in the world. The Bears had no business being in that game.
Pietaster2
Footballguy
Today's duel of rookie QBs demonstrated what a real talent looks like, and what an overrated pretender is. Case closed.
Shawnky
Footballguy
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Yeah. Those are encouraging numbers.
He's way better than Caleb.Brett Rypien Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
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Yeah. Those are encouraging numbers.
Shawnky
Footballguy
I’m no fan of Williams but there is zero statistical relevance to your absurd claim. Just stop.He's way better than Caleb.Brett Rypien Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
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Yeah. Those are encouraging numbers.
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
lol this has been running schtick from Deamon for years. He’s related to Rypien.I’m no fan of Williams but there is zero statistical relevance to your absurd claim. Just stop.He's way better than Caleb.Brett Rypien Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
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Yeah. Those are encouraging numbers.
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Shawnky
Footballguy
I’m fully aware and it’s nauseating at this point. Just pointless drivel.lol this has been running schtick from Deamon for years. He’s related to Rypien.I’m no fan of Williams but there is zero statistical relevance to your absurd claim. Just stop.He's way better than Caleb.Brett Rypien Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
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Yeah. Those are encouraging numbers.
Caleb Williams Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
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The Frankman
Footballguy
I'm starting to think Jaxon-Smith Njigba was right about Waldron... you have a Bye and that's the gameplan you come out with? Where were the easy layups to get Williams in rhythm?
This was interesting to me as I didn't see too much of this one until the end. Where Williams played very well under pressure.
I was surprised to see the awful overall numbers.
I was surprised to see the awful overall numbers.
Sunday Gravy
Footballguy
First three quarters it was ugly. Everything extremely overthrown. Like not even close.
Chaka
Footballguy
Really? I think it's funny.I’m fully aware and it’s nauseating at this point. Just pointless drivel.lol this has been running schtick from Deamon for years. He’s related to Rypien.I’m no fan of Williams but there is zero statistical relevance to your absurd claim. Just stop.He's way better than Caleb.Brett Rypien Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Checkout the latest stats for Brett Rypien. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.
Yeah. Those are encouraging numbers.
Caleb Williams Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Checkout the latest stats for Caleb Williams. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.
JD, Bo, and even Drake seem to be playing better than Caleb at this point. It has to be Chicago’s coaching, right? This kid is too talented to not be good. He has a good RB in Swift and pass catchers in Moore, Odunze, Allen, and Kmet. Wonder what’s going on for him to continue to be this inconsistent.
calcinorjones
Footballguy
Bears are going to ruin him
Blasphemy.
We were told Williams is the greatest rookie to ever set foot on a field.
Surely, this can't be any his fault in any way shape or form.
Chaka
Footballguy
Haven't watched today's game but every time I see the Bears it seems like he gets about 2 seconds after the snap before the pocket collapses and he's running just to keep the play alive.
I don't know why there aren't more hot reads or maybe Caleb is just missing them, which also tracks because even being harassed he often misses receivers by a wide margin.
I don't know why there aren't more hot reads or maybe Caleb is just missing them, which also tracks because even being harassed he often misses receivers by a wide margin.
calcinorjones
Footballguy
Zero OL, defensive minded HC over his skis and Shane Waldron as the OC. This sums up the Chicago Bears. They already ruined this kid. We have seen this show before in ChicagoBlasphemy.
We were told Williams is the greatest rookie to ever set foot on a field.
Surely, this can't be any his fault in any way shape or form.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
but is he? Maybe he is but its also easy to blame coaching or OL. This could also just be an adjustment period but one has to wonder if he's just not as good as he was hyped up to be.
calcinorjones
Footballguy
Sadly there are good young QBs that go on bad teams and have potential to become something. The Bears are the 7th ring of hell for young QBs. A special kind of demise
Chaka
Footballguy
Waldron and Eberflus trying to save their jobs. Not sure that's the best way to go about it, though.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Embarrassing lack of accountability from the coaches to even consider this and try to blame Caleb for their own demise. Caleb has not played great, but he is a rookie who deserves better coaching and guidance. Watch Caleb demand a trade this offseason.
I'm fascinated in how any negative play from Williams is automatically deemed to be 100% the coaches fault.
Would Williams be better in Kansas City or with the Rams? Certainly. But the guy has looked not good a good bit. I'm not willing to put 100% on the coaches.
Would Williams be better in Kansas City or with the Rams? Certainly. But the guy has looked not good a good bit. I'm not willing to put 100% on the coaches.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I have to ask. Wouldn't they be benching him so he doesn't end up with David Carr syndrome? Bring him back when they stabilized the Oline if that is possible. Sorry Tyson you are going to take some hits for the team.
The Frankman
Footballguy
The thing is, there have been whispers that Waldron really doesn't help his QBs/recognize player talent well. He tried to make Jaxon Smith-Njigba more or less a gadget guy in Seattle and JSN's reaction last offseason to how Waldron would do in Chicago was... not encouraging.
Geno Smith maybe could offset some of that since he was a vet QB, but it doesn't look like he's helping Caleb Williams get into any semblance of rhythm at all. I Some of this is on Caleb too; he does hold the ball for awhile, but also we've seen weeks of play where it's all deeper routes w/ little thought of Max Protect. Plug in a leaky O line and receivers not being able to separate/frustratingly one on top of each other running routes...
There's a disconnect with Williams and Waldron right now; I saw reactions you never really want to see from a young QB interacting with Waldron, which makes me believe in this statement by Rotoworld regarding Eberflus' statement:
Geno Smith maybe could offset some of that since he was a vet QB, but it doesn't look like he's helping Caleb Williams get into any semblance of rhythm at all. I Some of this is on Caleb too; he does hold the ball for awhile, but also we've seen weeks of play where it's all deeper routes w/ little thought of Max Protect. Plug in a leaky O line and receivers not being able to separate/frustratingly one on top of each other running routes...
There's a disconnect with Williams and Waldron right now; I saw reactions you never really want to see from a young QB interacting with Waldron, which makes me believe in this statement by Rotoworld regarding Eberflus' statement:
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
This is fair Joe. My comments stem from some of the coaches statements on how they have handled some decisions this year. I don’t get a sense of accountability. I agree that Caleb has not done himself any favors with his play as well. I am not sure benching him at this point is a positive for his development, but I also admittedly have only seen Caleb play once this year (Indy game in which he looked pretty good imo).
zamboni
Footballguy
Agree here - it can’t all be on the coaching. They have a pretty strong group of WRs, a one of the better pass catching RBs in the game, and also a solid TE. The offensive line isn’t doing him any favors, but the weapons are there if he can deliver the ball quickly.
Chaka
Footballguy
Caleb certainly demands a bunch of the blame for his performance and I haven't seen anything where he is passing the buck on accountability.
I think the coaching has been suspect for sure but I put more blame on personnel acquisition, or lack thereof on the offensive line and an unfortunate string of injuries on the o-line. As @Buckna pointed only the starting center from before the season is playing ATM.
Caleb's accuracy has been a huge disappointment after it seemed such an asset coming into the league but, as I mentioned above, every game I have seen so far Caleb is flushed from the pocket by a d-lineman or blitzer who gets through the o-line in 2 seconds. It happens a ton.
It takes a village for to create positive outcomes (see Jayden Daniels) and it takes a village to create negative ones (see Caleb Williams).
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InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
I get this sentiment because it is incumbent on most fans to trust that their new rookie will be all-world. That being said, this coaching regime has stubbornly bashed it's collected head against the same brick wall over and over and over trying to get a result different than a concussion. The stubbornness of Flus/Waldron (and for sure Flus/Getsy) to try to peg a player into 'their system' has been astounding. If you look at what Washington has done for Daniels, and make no mistake he is a good QB playing in a toned down system, it's plainly clear that a disconnect between "MY SYSTEM" and reality is taking place in Chicago. I'm 100% sure that Caleb in WAS would yield similar results to what's going on now.
miqws
Footballguy
Caleb Williams’ nfl.com predraft player profile
Strengths:
Strengths:
- Forced to keep his team in games with high-end production and did so.
- Better consistency projected with pro targets who separate.
- Rapid-fire transition from fake to throw on RPOs.
- Twitchy release helps generate heat on drive throws.
- Puts enough pace on the ball to challenge safeties to a variety of spots.
- Will reset his pocket to create better throwing angles.
- Much improved at getting air under deep throws in 2023.
- Touchdown-to-interception ratio of 46:1 in red zone since the start of 2022 season, per Pro Football Focus.
- Keeps his eyes and arm alive when leaving the pocket.
- Rare talent to feel pressure, escape and extend the play.
- Averse to playing throw-and-catch football on schedule.
- Eyes can become sticky and sluggish working through progressions.
- Must learn to throw with better anticipation/timing on the NFL level.
- Hero-ball mentality creates indecisiveness and inconsistent decision-making.
- Disconcerting deep-ball accuracy in QB-friendly offense.
- Will throw on the move unnecessarily rather than platform up.
- Passes up easy scramble yardage for more challenging throws.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
It speaks volumes to me that the 22YO QB sits there during pressers and takes 100% accountability for getting better and you don't see that at all from the 54YO head coach.
Sunday Gravy
Footballguy
Definitely not 100% coaches. He's extremely inaccurate downfield. It's almost like he doesn't understand how strong his arm is. He appears to be the most athletically gifted "statue qb" I've ever seen. He's so hesitant to leave the pocket. He holds the ball looking downfield way too long for a guy who should know his line is not great. Be more open to checking down young man. Having said all that, I'd assume a better OC and QB coach would be working on these issues. Coaching him through.
