QB Derek Carr, Retired (3 Viewers)

[Anarchy99]

Carr will play in Tampa next year.
Brady will be reunited with McDaniels in Vegas.
Bucs will have a new,maybe old?,head coach.
That's my prediction and I'm sticking to it.

Tampa’s cap situation is a shambles. LV would need to take a big cap hit in a trade. Although likely they end up just releasing him.

But, I could see it. Tampa isn’t known to be a rebuild type of organization. Even when they should be.

LV would hardly take much of a cap hit, but their situation is a bit complicated. If Carr is still on the roster on 2/15/23, $40M of his contract becomes guaranteed. Carr also has a full no trade clause. If the Raiders trade him by 6/1, they would only eat $5.6M in dead cap money. If they wait until after 6/1, then they could break that up over two seasons. The issue will be that a team likely won't want have to guarantee Carr $40M. Past 2023, he would have two additional years on his contract at $41M. Not sure many teams would want a bite of that apple at that cost.

 

[Grahamburn]

Carr will play in Tampa next year.
Brady will be reunited with McDaniels in Vegas.
Bucs will have a new,maybe old?,head coach.
That's my prediction and I'm sticking to it.

Tampa’s cap situation is a shambles. LV would need to take a big cap hit in a trade. Although likely they end up just releasing him.

But, I could see it. Tampa isn’t known to be a rebuild type of organization. Even when they should be.

LV would hardly take much of a cap hit, but their situation is a bit complicated. If Carr is still on the roster on 2/15/23, $40M of his contract becomes guaranteed. Carr also has a full no trade clause. If the Raiders trade him by 6/1, they would only eat $5.6M in dead cap money. If they wait until after 6/1, then they could break that up over two seasons. The issue will be that a team likely won't want have to guarantee Carr $40M. Past 2023, he would have two additional years on his contract at $41M. Not sure many teams would want a bite of that apple at that cost.

Ok. I meant they’d have to eat a portion of that cash. Similar to the Browns with Mayfield I guess.

 

[MAC_32]

Carr will play in Tampa next year.
Brady will be reunited with McDaniels in Vegas.
Bucs will have a new,maybe old?,head coach.
That's my prediction and I'm sticking to it.

Tampa’s cap situation is a shambles. LV would need to take a big cap hit in a trade. Although likely they end up just releasing him.

But, I could see it. Tampa isn’t known to be a rebuild type of organization. Even when they should be.

LV would hardly take much of a cap hit, but their situation is a bit complicated. If Carr is still on the roster on 2/15/23, $40M of his contract becomes guaranteed. Carr also has a full no trade clause. If the Raiders trade him by 6/1, they would only eat $5.6M in dead cap money. If they wait until after 6/1, then they could break that up over two seasons. The issue will be that a team likely won't want have to guarantee Carr $40M. Past 2023, he would have two additional years on his contract at $41M. Not sure many teams would want a bite of that apple at that cost.

Ok. I meant they’d have to eat a portion of that cash. Similar to the Browns with Mayfield I guess.

The Browns were able to do that for Baker because they had no financial obligations until September. It took time for all parties to come together on such a deal once the market had been depleted. The Raiders don't have the same luxury of time. If they wait beyond day 3 of the new league year then they're on the hook for cash they want no part of and everyone else knows it.

 

[Faust]

Derek Carr's potential landing spots in 2023: Raiders QB on his way out of Las Vegas after benching?

 

[Anarchy99]

If not for the no trade clause he should be able to get a something in the range of at least a second and a third back. At least. But if Carr ever decided to play hardball because he's rather just be a FA I could see him just getting released.

Of course he's also made $160M, I believe is sincere in his family life and desire to be a big part of it and has said before he'll retire before playing for another team. So who knows.

I don't have Adams but more intrigued what happens to him and if Brady goes to LV. My best guess right now is that if Brady returns it will be with the Raiders(said this here several weeks ago) but he won't be throwing passes to Adams. Or Waller.

Sounds like contract for 2023 becomes guaranteed on Feb 15th so not gonnn have a lot of time to trade him.

But that doesn't mean LV is the one that has to pay him the guaranteed money. It's the team that ends up with his contract.

Carr will play in Tampa next year.
Brady will be reunited with McDaniels in Vegas.
Bucs will have a new,maybe old?,head coach.
That's my prediction and I'm sticking to it.

Tampa’s cap situation is a shambles. LV would need to take a big cap hit in a trade. Although likely they end up just releasing him.

But, I could see it. Tampa isn’t known to be a rebuild type of organization. Even when they should be.

LV would hardly take much of a cap hit, but their situation is a bit complicated. If Carr is still on the roster on 2/15/23, $40M of his contract becomes guaranteed. Carr also has a full no trade clause. If the Raiders trade him by 6/1, they would only eat $5.6M in dead cap money. If they wait until after 6/1, then they could break that up over two seasons. The issue will be that a team likely won't want have to guarantee Carr $40M. Past 2023, he would have two additional years on his contract at $41M. Not sure many teams would want a bite of that apple at that cost.

Ok. I meant they’d have to eat a portion of that cash. Similar to the Browns with Mayfield I guess.

The Browns were able to do that for Baker because they had no financial obligations until September. It took time for all parties to come together on such a deal once the market had been depleted. The Raiders don't have the same luxury of time. If they wait beyond day 3 of the new league year then they're on the hook for cash they want no part of and everyone else knows it.

I do not believe the Raiders would be on the hook for the $40 million guaranteed to Carr past 2/15 unless he stays on the team by opening day. It’s the team that ends up with his contract. Of course, if no one takes on the contract, then it’s on LV to pay him. Carr could also give back money to renegotiate a trade to a destination he prefers (or redo his deal). Or LV could just release him to avoid dealing with the $40M. Lots of options in play in this situation.

 

[MAC_32]

I do not believe the Raiders would be on the hook for the $40 million guaranteed to Carr past 2/15 unless he stays on the team by opening day. It’s the team that ends up with his contract. Of course, if no one takes on the contract, then it’s on LV to pay him. Carr could also give back money to renegotiate a trade to a destination he prefers (or redo his deal). Or LV could just release him to avoid dealing with the $40M. Lots of options in play in this situation.

This is correct, but like Baker everyone else in the league knows he will not be a Raider in 2023. That is not influential on the market if we're talking about a special player, but Carr clearly is not. Are the Raiders patient enough to stare down everyone else into July like the Browns did with Baker? And if they do there is a non zero probability the best deal they can make involves them eating some of the dollars they didn't need to give him in the first place.

I understand the thought process if Vegas decides to see this through, but it may be a messy several months to get to end up at an avoidable outcome. Unless this market is akin to Carson Wentz last year in which there was an interested buyer in February without more information my inclination is not to deal with it and move on.

 

[Mitchie]

If not for the no trade clause he should be able to get a something in the range of at least a second and a third back. At least. But if Carr ever decided to play hardball because he's rather just be a FA I could see him just getting released.

Of course he's also made $160M, I believe is sincere in his family life and desire to be a big part of it and has said before he'll retire before playing for another team. So who knows.

I don't have Adams but more intrigued what happens to him and if Brady goes to LV. My best guess right now is that if Brady returns it will be with the Raiders(said this here several weeks ago) but he won't be throwing passes to Adams. Or Waller.

Sounds like contract for 2023 becomes guaranteed on Feb 15th so not gonnn have a lot of time to trade him.

But that doesn't mean LV is the one that has to pay him the guaranteed money. It's the team that ends up with his contract.

Carr will play in Tampa next year.
Brady will be reunited with McDaniels in Vegas.
Bucs will have a new,maybe old?,head coach.
That's my prediction and I'm sticking to it.

Tampa’s cap situation is a shambles. LV would need to take a big cap hit in a trade. Although likely they end up just releasing him.

But, I could see it. Tampa isn’t known to be a rebuild type of organization. Even when they should be.

LV would hardly take much of a cap hit, but their situation is a bit complicated. If Carr is still on the roster on 2/15/23, $40M of his contract becomes guaranteed. Carr also has a full no trade clause. If the Raiders trade him by 6/1, they would only eat $5.6M in dead cap money. If they wait until after 6/1, then they could break that up over two seasons. The issue will be that a team likely won't want have to guarantee Carr $40M. Past 2023, he would have two additional years on his contract at $41M. Not sure many teams would want a bite of that apple at that cost.

Ok. I meant they’d have to eat a portion of that cash. Similar to the Browns with Mayfield I guess.

The Browns were able to do that for Baker because they had no financial obligations until September. It took time for all parties to come together on such a deal once the market had been depleted. The Raiders don't have the same luxury of time. If they wait beyond day 3 of the new league year then they're on the hook for cash they want no part of and everyone else knows it.

I do not believe the Raiders would be on the hook for the $40 million guaranteed to Carr past 2/15 unless he stays on the team by opening day. It’s the team that ends up with his contract. Of course, if no one takes on the contract, then it’s on LV to pay him. Carr could also give back money to renegotiate a trade to a destination he prefers (or redo his deal). Or LV could just release him to avoid dealing with the $40M. Lots of options in play in this situation.

Well ok but noone's gonna pay Care $40Mn

 

[Hankmoody]

Well ok but noone's gonna pay Care $40Mn

You underestimate the desperation of NFL teams with no answer at QB and this is just the going rate anyway. Carr's 2023 salary is $32M before two $41.25M. Cousins is $36.3 and a UFA so he's gonnna get more, Goff is $30.25. I mean Wentz/Ryan/Tannehill are all over $30M. Carr's contract is not at all scary for NFL teams.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Derek Carr's potential landing spots in 2023: Raiders QB on his way out of Las Vegas after benching?

Surprised to see WAS so far down that list. Rivera is likely to remain in place for 1 more year and he has shown he likes vets (Fitzpatrick and Wentz picked up in offseason prior 2 years). He seems convinced a vet QB can win the SB with this roster. I don't see how with this OC, but I'll admit guys were running open last week. Wentz's brain must be really small cause he went the other way every time. It may also be the only way Rivera can save his job once ownership changes. And from Carr's perspective, there are decent weapons.

WAS will definitely be interested. They will definitely have the cap space. Carr is 1000% better than what they've had since Kirk Cousins. Who knows if they are willing to pay the price. Frankly I could see Rivera giving up pick #14 and more for Carr. He's desperate.

 

[fatness]

Derek Carr's potential landing spots in 2023: Raiders QB on his way out of Las Vegas after benching?

Surprised to see WAS so far down that list. Rivera is likely to remain in place for 1 more year and he has shown he likes vets (Fitzpatrick and Wentz picked up in offseason prior 2 years). He seems convinced a vet QB can win the SB with this roster. I don't see how with this OC, but I'll admit guys were running open last week. Wentz's brain must be really small cause he went the other way every time. It may also be the only way Rivera can save his job once ownership changes. And from Carr's perspective, there are decent weapons.

WAS will definitely be interested. They will definitely have the cap space. Carr is 1000% better than what they've had since Kirk Cousins. Who knows if they are willing to pay the price. Frankly I could see Rivera giving up pick #14 and more for Carr. He's desperate.

Carr won't improve football in Washington. He has streaks of high performing games, and he has plenty of instances of dodo plays that just sink his team. If he came to Washington he'd being going to a worse roster and a bad OC. Carr has always been overrated.

edit to add on 1/12/23: bad OC is gone now

 

[Faust]

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Raiders "will begin the process of evaluating the trade market for QB Derek Carr."​

Rapoport also notes that Carr will likely play a role in this evaluation since the veteran quarterback has a no-trade clause built into his contract. Carr's involvement in the process will undoubtedly help expedite things, as he likely already has a list of teams in mind who he would consider playing for. Carr has $40.4 million in guaranteed money that's set to kick in on February 15th. Ideally, the Raiders would look to trade him before that date or release him, giving them a little over a month to get a deal done. Despite his struggles down the stretch, there should be plenty of QB-needy teams in the market for Carr's services next season.
SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Jan 12, 2023, 10:20 AM ET

 

[Grahamburn]

So what’s the incentive for a team to actually give up compensation for him? With the no trade clause and the 2/15 deadline there’s no reason for it.

If Carr is willing to waive his no trade for a specific organization then he’d also be willing to sign as an FA. Why give anything up?

 

[IHEARTFF]

So what’s the incentive for a team to actually give up compensation for him? With the no trade clause and the 2/15 deadline there’s no reason for it.

If Carr is willing to waive his no trade for a specific organization then he’d also be willing to sign as an FA. Why give anything up?

so you 100% get him

 

[Grahamburn]

So what’s the incentive for a team to actually give up compensation for him? With the no trade clause and the 2/15 deadline there’s no reason for it.

If Carr is willing to waive his no trade for a specific organization then he’d also be willing to sign as an FA. Why give anything up?

so you 100% get him

Of course, but with a full no trade he chooses where he wants to go regardless.

If you’re willing to take on his contract in the first place, give up a pick, AND he’s willing to go to your team I’d think you’d also be able to win a free agency bidding war without trading anything to the Raiders.

 

[joey]

So what’s the incentive for a team to actually give up compensation for him? With the no trade clause and the 2/15 deadline there’s no reason for it.

If Carr is willing to waive his no trade for a specific organization then he’d also be willing to sign as an FA. Why give anything up?

so you 100% get him

Of course, but with a full no trade he chooses where he wants to go regardless.

If you’re willing to take on his contract in the first place, give up a pick, AND he’s willing to go to your team I’d think you’d also be able to win a free agency bidding war without trading anything to the Raiders.

You can’t predict an open market bidding war, so it’s a bird-in-the-hand kind of situation.

 

[Faust]

Potential landing spots for QB Derek Carr: Tampa Bay Buccaneers and New York Jets among biggest suitors

 

[Grahamburn]

So what’s the incentive for a team to actually give up compensation for him? With the no trade clause and the 2/15 deadline there’s no reason for it.

If Carr is willing to waive his no trade for a specific organization then he’d also be willing to sign as an FA. Why give anything up?

so you 100% get him

Of course, but with a full no trade he chooses where he wants to go regardless.

If you’re willing to take on his contract in the first place, give up a pick, AND he’s willing to go to your team I’d think you’d also be able to win a free agency bidding war without trading anything to the Raiders.

You can’t predict an open market bidding war, so it’s a bird-in-the-hand kind of situation.

That’s my point though. With the full no trade and the deadline there’s no bidding war.

Ultimately, Carr is going to choose where he wants to go whether it’s trade or free agency.

He’ll go where he thinks gives him the best chance to win as well as what’s the best fit for his family.

So, if Carr/franchise have mutually beneficial interest that’s where he’ll go. No need to trade anything.

I don’t think money will be a huge factor.

 

[Grahamburn]

Not to mention obviously any team trading for Carr has to send assets back to the Raiders. Assets Carr/new franchise need to help him win.

I don’t see why Carr agrees to any trade.

 

[Yenrub]

So what’s the incentive for a team to actually give up compensation for him? With the no trade clause and the 2/15 deadline there’s no reason for it.

If Carr is willing to waive his no trade for a specific organization then he’d also be willing to sign as an FA. Why give anything up?

so you 100% get him

Of course, but with a full no trade he chooses where he wants to go regardless.

If you’re willing to take on his contract in the first place, give up a pick, AND he’s willing to go to your team I’d think you’d also be able to win a free agency bidding war without trading anything to the Raiders.

You can’t predict an open market bidding war, so it’s a bird-in-the-hand kind of situation.

What do you think teams would be willing to give up for this bird in the hand?
Given the situation I'm not sure why anyone would give anything more than a 5th round pick for him

 

[Mitchie]

Not to mention obviously any team trading for Carr has to send assets back to the Raiders. Assets Carr/new franchise need to help him win.

I don’t see why Carr agrees to any trade.

well you yourself said his trade value is minimal so i don't think the assets back is going to mean anything.

 

[LawFitz]

The only leverage the Raiders had was the idea they would keep Carr if a trade couldn't work out in their favor. They completely blew that up by not playing their hand better.

 

[raidersraidersraiders]

can they hold onto carr until after OTAs or into the start of training camps?

 

[joey]

So what’s the incentive for a team to actually give up compensation for him? With the no trade clause and the 2/15 deadline there’s no reason for it.

If Carr is willing to waive his no trade for a specific organization then he’d also be willing to sign as an FA. Why give anything up?

so you 100% get him

Of course, but with a full no trade he chooses where he wants to go regardless.

If you’re willing to take on his contract in the first place, give up a pick, AND he’s willing to go to your team I’d think you’d also be able to win a free agency bidding war without trading anything to the Raiders.

You can’t predict an open market bidding war, so it’s a bird-in-the-hand kind of situation.

What do you think teams would be willing to give up for this bird in the hand?
Given the situation I'm not sure why anyone would give anything more than a 5th round pick for him

I don't know....Give up a 2nd round pick for a solid, top-half of the NFL QB? Compared to other recent QB trade deals, that seems like a great value.

 

[TampaMike19]

Should've traded Carr mid season when he was playing well and the Raiders were basically out of the playoff hunt. Now everyone knows and won't give up a ton

 

[Grahamburn]

can they hold onto carr until after OTAs or into the start of training camps?

His 2023 salary ($32.9M) and $7.5M of his 2024 salary fully guarantees if he’s not released before 2/15/23. It was also guaranteed for injury, which is why they “benched” him the last two games.

The Raiders have no leverage. Everyone knows they’re releasing him before that date.

 

[Grahamburn]

So what’s the incentive for a team to actually give up compensation for him? With the no trade clause and the 2/15 deadline there’s no reason for it.

If Carr is willing to waive his no trade for a specific organization then he’d also be willing to sign as an FA. Why give anything up?

so you 100% get him

Of course, but with a full no trade he chooses where he wants to go regardless.

If you’re willing to take on his contract in the first place, give up a pick, AND he’s willing to go to your team I’d think you’d also be able to win a free agency bidding war without trading anything to the Raiders.

You can’t predict an open market bidding war, so it’s a bird-in-the-hand kind of situation.

What do you think teams would be willing to give up for this bird in the hand?
Given the situation I'm not sure why anyone would give anything more than a 5th round pick for him

I don't know....Give up a 2nd round pick for a solid, top-half of the NFL QB? Compared to other recent QB trade deals, that seems like a great value.

Again, why would Carr approve a deal that sends the Raiders a second round pick? That pick could be used to help him win. All he has to do is wait and he gets to go wherever he wants and that team will have its full slate of picks to put pieces around him.

 

[Buckna]

Not to mention obviously any team trading for Carr has to send assets back to the Raiders. Assets Carr/new franchise need to help him win.

I don’t see why Carr agrees to any trade.

Depends on his market value and what the acquiring team plans to do with his current contract. If the acquiring is willing to keep his current contract in place thru 2/15 he gets $40MM guaranteed. Seems likely he may not be looking at numbers that big as a FA. Especially as he may be competing against other potentially available QB’s this off-season like Lamar, Brady, & Garoppolo.

Edit: personally I think he gets cut

 

[Grahamburn]

Not to mention obviously any team trading for Carr has to send assets back to the Raiders. Assets Carr/new franchise need to help him win.

I don’t see why Carr agrees to any trade.

Depends on his market value and what the acquiring team plans to do with his current contract. If the acquiring is willing to keep his current contract in place thru 2/15 he gets $40MM guaranteed. Seems likely he may not be looking at numbers that big as a FA. Especially as he may be competing against other potentially available QB’s this off-season like Lamar, Brady, & Garoppolo.

Edit: personally I think he gets cut

Correct. Several factors. I don’t think a team will want to give up significant compensation and take on his contract. I don’t think the Raiders will eat any of the contract just to entice a team into a trade. If Carr really wants to win he’d nix any trade because he’d want those picks to be used to help him win.

Now, maybe I’ve misjudged Carr and he doesn’t care as much about winning as he lets on and he’s willing to approve a trade to get his $40M. In that case I guess he’s worth a mid-round pick.

I just think he can get plenty of guaranteed $ as an FA, structure a contract how he wants, go where he wants, and then have plenty of pieces around him.

 

[Atomic Punk]

I really don’t think there is any chance he will be cut. His value is a mid 1st minimum and there are at least a few teams that will be considering that investment is well worth it.

 

[Grahamburn]

I really don’t think there is any chance he will be cut. His value is a mid 1st minimum and there are at least a few teams that will be considering that investment is well worth it.

Team - We'll give you a 1st and take on his contract!

Raiders - Deal!

Carr - No thanks. Team really likes me obviously. I'll just sign with them after 2/15 and they can draft me a WR with that 1st rounder.

Raiders -

 

[Atomic Punk]

Unless I’m misunderstanding his contract, there is no reason to cut him. His contract becomes guaranteed but that doesn’t necessarily turn it into a lump sum payment due on 2/15. The team they trade him to will be on the hook for his contract after the trade.

 

[Grahamburn]

Unless I’m misunderstanding his contract, there is no reason to cut him. His contract becomes guaranteed but that doesn’t necessarily turn it into a lump sum payment due on 2/15. The team they trade him to will be on the hook for his contract after the trade.

Expensive game of chicken. "On the hook" is perfect phrasing. The only team "on the hook" is the Raiders. They already benched him to avoid an injury. Carr already put out a farewell message. It's pretty clear they're releasing him before that date.

If they can swing a trade, great, but I'm having trouble seeing how a trade is good for anyone other than the Raiders. Maybe a team gives up a 4th/5th just to "guarantee" exclusive rights, but no way anyone is giving up an early pick.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Ryan Burns
@FtblSickness

I see it forcefully asserted that there will be a big market for Derek Carr, and, while I think he's starting for somebody, I don't know who and you'd be hard pressed to get me to trade anything for that deal of his. I dunno. And any new deal would be super team-friendly.

 

[Faust]

The Athletic's Zak Keefer believes the Colts won't trade for Derek Carr this offseason.​

Keefer has been adamant that the Colts would not once again break the bank for a castoff quarterback in their desperate search for a viable starting signal caller. Carr, who was sent home by the Raiders before Week 17, has a no-trade clause and $40.4 million in guarantees that trigger on February 15, meaning the Raiders would have to deal Carr before that date. The Colts likely won't head into the 2023 season with Matt Ryan under center, but it doesn't seem Carr, 32 in March, will be next up in the depressing Colts quarterback carousel.
RELATED:

• Matt Ryan
• , Indianapolis Colts

SOURCE: Zak Keefer on Twitter
Jan 13, 2023, 9:57 AM ET

 

[JohnnyU]

The Athletic's Zak Keefer believes the Colts won't trade for Derek Carr this offseason.​

Keefer has been adamant that the Colts would not once again break the bank for a castoff quarterback in their desperate search for a viable starting signal caller. Carr, who was sent home by the Raiders before Week 17, has a no-trade clause and $40.4 million in guarantees that trigger on February 15, meaning the Raiders would have to deal Carr before that date. The Colts likely won't head into the 2023 season with Matt Ryan under center, but it doesn't seem Carr, 32 in March, will be next up in the depressing Colts quarterback carousel.
RELATED:

• Matt Ryan
• , Indianapolis Colts

SOURCE: Zak Keefer on Twitter
Jan 13, 2023, 9:57 AM ET

God I hope that is true. The Colts can't afford the price of another failed veteran QB.

 

[Hankmoody]

Unless I’m misunderstanding his contract, there is no reason to cut him. His contract becomes guaranteed but that doesn’t necessarily turn it into a lump sum payment due on 2/15. The team they trade him to will be on the hook for his contract after the trade.

Expensive game of chicken. "On the hook" is perfect phrasing. The only team "on the hook" is the Raiders. They already benched him to avoid an injury. Carr already put out a farewell message. It's pretty clear they're releasing him before that date.

If they can swing a trade, great, but I'm having trouble seeing how a trade is good for anyone other than the Raiders. Maybe a team gives up a 4th/5th just to "guarantee" exclusive rights, but no way anyone is giving up an early pick.

Not expensive at all. $32.9M is low-market QB value. And that game of chicken goes both ways. If the Raiders don't release Carr he's only got three choices, and two of them involve not playing football. Car doesn't care about the money, he's a heart guy, he's all about the love of the game and he wants to play. He probably wants to play against the LVR now more than ever. You know who comes to Vegas next year? NYJ. You know who Vegas plays away games against? Indy and Miami. Carr knows these facts. Indy is probably a longshot but depending on Tua's health Miami is in no position to **** around at QB just like the Jets. The no-trade clause helps him pick his destination but he's not going to shoot himself in the foot over it.

There's also the wildcard scenario - nobody involved's an idiot, and if Derek Carr is the best option the LVR have, he'll be playing. QB in the NFL is the most expensive version of musical chairs there is. You can't be the one left without a chair. LVR may want to move on from him but what if they can't? If you release Carr in February (they won't) you enter the season with no QB and no additional equity to pursue one. To quote the Rear Admiral Josh Painter "NFL teams don't take a dump, son, without a plan" - what's the plan? What if they aren't confident in Stidham? What if Stroud doesn't declare?* Right now they have a backout - Carr is on the roster, he's a professional, and he's a functional level talent. It's not entirely a zero that they all just hug and make up. I hope not as a Raider fan, Carr needs more support than LVR can give him right now, but that's how SFO handled Jimmy G and while they might not be glad they did, there sure as heck are a few other teams that are probably regretting not being more aggressive in pursuing him. They won't make that mistake again.

*Not to derail the thread, but consider this about CJ Stroud:
- He hasn't declared for the draft yet
- He only has until Monday to do so
- Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, and Justin Herbert all came back for extra years and none suffered for it.
- He has NIL opportunities to help offset the lack of wealth (which in the long run will be completely irrelevant for him) in the short term

And Stroud not declaring just make that game of musical chairs that much deadlier with one fewer "answers" in rotation.

 

[Hankmoody]

God I hope that is true. The Colts can't afford the price of another failed veteran QB.

Carr is a totally different level though. He's 31 and his arm hasn't fallen off. He's far better than Wentz ever was. I'm not in touch with Indy's full structure but their OL has to be at least as competent as LVR and the defense has to be way better.

I think trade structure for Carr ends up looking like a 2023 2nd or 3rd rounder + conditional 2024 depending on performance. As mentioned Carr is only 31 so he's got a ton of good time left in him and the right franchise should be willing to toss up this level of minimal risk pretty easily. WAS, NYJ, NOS, SFO, MIA - too many teams have "win now" structure in place to not fire their gun.

 

[JohnnyU]

God I hope that is true. The Colts can't afford the price of another failed veteran QB.

Carr is a totally different level though. He's 31 and his arm hasn't fallen off. He's far better than Wentz ever was. I'm not in touch with Indy's full structure but their OL has to be at least as competent as LVR and the defense has to be way better.

I think trade structure for Carr ends up looking like a 2023 2nd or 3rd rounder + conditional 2024 depending on performance. As mentioned Carr is only 31 so he's got a ton of good time left in him and the right franchise should be willing to toss up this level of minimal risk pretty easily. WAS, NYJ, NOS, SFO, MIA - too many teams have "win now" structure in place to not fire their gun.

I believe the Colts need a QB that will be there 10 years from now. Quit putting money into older QBs. I hope Irsay is to that point.

 

[Faust]

Derek Carr landing spots in 2023: Six potential trade fits for three-time Pro Bowl QB

 

[Faust]

Colts Believed to be Interested in Derek Carr, Previously Offered Raiders 2 First-Round Picks for Him

Is Report Of Colts Offering Multiple Picks To The Raiders For Derek Carr Exaggerated?

 

[JohnnyU]

Colts Believed to be Interested in Derek Carr, Previously Offered Raiders 2 First-Round Picks for Him

BS, gotta love the off-season. Not sure if that ever happened, but I suspect it didn't, but look at him now.

 

[joey]

Colts Believed to be Interested in Derek Carr, Previously Offered Raiders 2 First-Round Picks for Him

BS, gotta love the off-season. Not sure if that ever happened, but I suspect it didn't, but look at him now.

Which one?
ETA: ha. You edited your post from just “BS” to then add more context and your ruined my joke. must’ve changed right under my nose.

 

[JohnnyU]

Colts Believed to be Interested in Derek Carr, Previously Offered Raiders 2 First-Round Picks for Him

BS, gotta love the off-season. Not sure if that ever happened, but I suspect it didn't, but look at him now.

Which one?
ETA: ha. You edited your post from just “BS” to then add more context and your ruined my joke.

Whatever happened last season has no bearing on now. No one is offering anything substantial for Derek Carr, even if Stroud returns to college. They are stupid if they do.

 

[Faust]

The Athletic's Vic Tarfur reports the Raiders have not granted Derek Carr permission to seek a trade.​

The Raiders have little time to work out a trade for Carr, who can veto any trade that doesn't meet his liking. Carr's agent, Tim Younger, declined an interview with The Athletic to speak on the matter, but Carr and his agent have reportedly not provided the Raiders with a list of teams he'd be interested in joining. The Raiders have a deadline of February 15th to either deal Carr or cut him, thanks in part to the $40.4 million in guaranteed money that would become locked in at that time. It's possible the team could opt to cut him for a dead cap hit of $5.625 million and nothing in return, but that seems like a less-than-ideal approach for a team that should be able to fetch a respectable haul for the veteran quarterback.
SOURCE: The Athletic
Jan 30, 2023, 3:13 PM ET

 

[Chaka]

The only leverage the Raiders had was the idea they would keep Carr if a trade couldn't work out in their favor. They completely blew that up by not playing their hand better.

They have plenty of leverage. Sign him and let him sit while you explore trades. They The Niners did this with Garoppolo. When it comes to $40 mil to sit on the bench every week and wasting a year of his career or starting somewhere else, my guess is Carr will want to start somewhere else.

can they hold onto carr until after OTAs or into the start of training camps?

Sure. Sign him for $40 mil explore trades.

His 2023 salary ($32.9M) and $7.5M of his 2024 salary fully guarantees if he’s not released before 2/15/23. It was also guaranteed for injury, which is why they “benched” him the last two games.

The Raiders have no leverage. Everyone knows they’re releasing him before that date.

The Raiders have plenty of leverage. They aren't winning it all in 2023, they can afford to pay Carr's contract and let him sit while they explore trades. Carr would rather be a starter somewhere in 2023 then be a weekly op-ed topic while he sits on the bench.

Again, why would Carr approve a deal that sends the Raiders a second round pick? That pick could be used to help him win. All he has to do is wait and he gets to go wherever he wants and that team will have its full slate of picks to put pieces around him.

Because the Raiders could simply not cut him. That puts the ball in Carr's court.

Team - We'll give you a 1st and take on his contract!

Raiders - Deal!

Carr - No thanks. Team really likes me obviously. I'll just sign with them after 2/15 and they can draft me a WR with that 1st rounder.

Raiders -

Raiders - "Okay, you're a Raider in 2023. Get comfortable."

 

[Chaka]

I think people are massively overstating the rift between the Raiders & Carr.

If push comes to shove they will mend fences and give Carr $40 mill to "prove it".

Carr is an NFL starting QB, he is wired to be on the field at all costs. If he is staring down: 1) $40 mil to sit, 2) $40 mil to start or 3) accepting a trade to start he will absolutely rank those

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[Hot Sauce Guy]

Because the Raiders could simply not cut him. That puts the ball in Carr's court.

I thought they had until the 15th to sign, trade or cut him?

As I understand it, if he’s on the roster, he gets paid $40M. It’s not so much signing him, it’s failing to get a trade done in time.

And Carr has a full no-trade clause. He could simply sit on his hands and force the raiders to pay him.

A situation that seemingly could get ugly.

From there, if they don’t want him to play for them, they release him, getting nothing & losing $5.6 and saving ~30M against the cap.

A hard deadline on a decision for Vegas regarding Carr's future is Feb. 15. That's when the $40.4 million is locked in. They'll have to have a trade in place by that date or outright release him.

I don’t see how the Raiders have leverage here.

 

[zamboni]

From there, if they don’t want him to play for them, they release him, getting nothing & losing $5.6 and saving ~30M against the cap.

I'm guessing most teams are waiting for the release, knowing that the Raiders are hamstrung.

 

[LawFitz]

Because the Raiders could simply not cut him. That puts the ball in Carr's court.

I thought they had until the 15th to sign, trade or cut him?

As I understand it, if he’s on the roster, he gets paid $40M. It’s not so much signing him, it’s failing to get a trade done in time.

And Carr has a full no-trade clause. He could simply sit on his hands and force the raiders to pay him.

A situation that seemingly could get ugly.

From there, if they don’t want him to play for them, they release him, getting nothing & losing $5.6 and saving ~30M against the cap.

A hard deadline on a decision for Vegas regarding Carr's future is Feb. 15. That's when the $40.4 million is locked in. They'll have to have a trade in place by that date or outright release him.

I don’t see how the Raiders have leverage here.

The only way to regain leverage is to first guarantee him $40 MM. We'll see if they are willing to do that. I doubt it.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The only way to regain leverage is to first guarantee him $40 MM. We'll see if they are willing to do that. I doubt it.

Yeah, “Mark Davis” and “risking 40M” seem incongruous in a sentence.