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QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (10 Viewers)

So, leave it up to the teams to suspend their own players?
There’s no way that could possibly ever fail. Teams would always act with integrity, and with an eye for the public good. Moreover, they would strive do the honorable thing over selfishly jeopardizing potential wins for their respective franchises.

/s 

 
Many will agree with you. 
many others won’t pay if they think their money is going to support conduct they find distasteful or worse. The league isn’t suspending players because it’s “the right thing to do”, they do it to protect their product. Much like other jobs can fire or suspend employees for certain conduct. 
Is it really protecting their product though??  I mean really?

I think the constant suspension talk every time someone does something is a detriment to the product.  It takes the attention away from the product.  

No jail, no suspension....no jail, no suspension.....

I can see the poster boards now

 
Not that these guys' hot takes are any better informed or worth more than any other hot takes, but there were three Boston sports media jamokes on tv last night and here were their opinions. One felt the absolute least amount of time Watson would be suspended for would be a full year. Could be longer, but one year minimum. Guy #2 said the league will look to keep pace with MLB and Trevor Bauer and sit Watson for two full seasons. The third guy (Michael Holley) had the most "out there" perspective, as he predicted Watson will never play another down in the NFL ever again.

He felt the initial suspension would be for a year, the league would continue their investigation and then make the suspension indefinite with a minimum of another year (with Watson having to reapply to get back into the league). He felt the remaining cases would go to court, there will be more women filing (past acts), and there will be new cases in that time from future incidents and indiscretions. Between all that, criminal charges could get filed, Watson would look really, really bad, and the league would have no desire to have him play anytime soon.

Clearly that's a lot of conjecture and speculation, but he felt Watson hasn't learned his lesson and probably won't change his ways. If that outcome were to happen (never plays again), what would happen with DW's guaranteed $230 million contract? Since he would be suspended without pay, would Watson never see any of it? Would he get all of it? Could he keep his $45 million signing bonus? According to PFT, there is language that Watson will get all of the money even if he is suspended, but I think logically that would infer that he would play five years eventually to earn the money (once his suspension ended). Not sure there is language that covers if he never plays and effectively is forced out of the league.

 
a rapist, murderer, pedophile, domestic abuser... those are the folks that should never see an NFL field again. 
The insinuation by that reporter would be that more information and evidence will eventually come out that Watson fits one of those categories, and he will be considered a repeat offender (for either past or future acts). At that point, criminal charges would be filed, and the league would be in a difficult spot on what to do with him. At that point just charges levied and still not found guilty. We are a long way from that (if it ever happens or gets to that point). That was just one person's opinion on how things would play out. That's not my opinion or position, just someone that went public on TV will a hot take.

 
he's never been charged or accused of rape by any of the 24 accusers, if im not mistaken. 

if that hasn't come out by now, odds are highly likely that he isn't or hasn't done that. 

You can't suspend someone for life based on speculation that he MAY have done something that he's not once been accused of. 

 
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I wonder how the jersey sales are going?

In all seriousness, what is the marketing damage here? Normally your QB's face is all over the venue, on tickets, posters etc. Hard to measure but it must be a tremendous financial hit for the Browns and Watson.

 
As much as I've been in a "let's burn him at the stake" kinda mode with this guy,  I think I've come around to a slightly different viewpoint.

My opinion: one of the key attributes of how male fantasy is portrayed in certain fiction aimed at young men is rooted in the idea that attractive women are just out there wishing for a chance to get with you. I think about Louis CK. Watching too much porn or 80s comedies written by men. Accidental dong = some horny, hot young woman's dreams come true.

As a society, we have obviously had a reckoning with power imbalance and this mindset. And he seemingly blew past several checkpoints for "this seems normal and OK." But the initial concept seems rooted in a feeling that seems familiar. Not at all how society works and a morally, ethically correct person should obviously have recognized this and stood for the dignity of the women involved. 

Where I'm stuck at the moment is the seeming lack of recognition from him on just how wrong he was in how he approached these situations.

He's a much more likable figure if he comes out and says "I'm really sorry. I didn't realize that those women weren't interested in the things we did together. I understand why now and I'm deeply sorry and regret how this happened. I've taken steps to change my behavior and address my issues. I wish them all happiness in their lives and will strive to be a better person ."

The pitchforks crowd starts to shrink IMO if he goes in this sort of direction. 

 
Not that these guys' hot takes are any better informed or worth more than any other hot takes, but there were three Boston sports media jamokes on tv last night and here were their opinions. One felt the absolute least amount of time Watson would be suspended for would be a full year. Could be longer, but one year minimum. Guy #2 said the league will look to keep pace with MLB and Trevor Bauer and sit Watson for two full seasons. The third guy (Michael Holley) had the most "out there" perspective, as he predicted Watson will never play another down in the NFL ever again.
Interesting that Holley had such a strong take. I've always found him to be one of the more logical talking heads. I'd be shocked if he never played again (barring sudden stronger allegations coming out) but at this point, I'd probably bet on him not playing this season. 

Man, no matter what happens, this is going to be as big of a distraction as any team has had in a really long time, like at least the last 10 years. I'd be shocked if the Browns weren't a last place team even if Watson plays some of the year.

He's a much more likable figure if he comes out and says "I'm really sorry. I didn't realize that those women weren't interested in the things we did together. I understand why now and I'm deeply sorry and regret how this happened. I've taken steps to change my behavior and address my issues. I wish them all happiness in their lives and will strive to be a better person ."

The pitchforks crowd starts to shrink IMO if he goes in this sort of direction. 
I think its FAR too late for that. If that would have been the case 12+ months ago, then maybe, unlikely, but maybe. But at this point, I'd think an apology means nothing to anybody.  

 
What a slow moving mess. I understand why the Browns took the chance. But it was a huge mistake to give this guy a $45M signing bonus or to even trade for and sign him in the first place. 

 
What a slow moving mess. I understand why the Browns took the chance. But it was a huge mistake to give this guy a $45M signing bonus or to even trade for and sign him in the first place. 
When he's winning games in a Browns uniform in November, very few Browns fans will be vocal about it.

When he's winning playoff games in a Browns uniform, they will give him the key to the city's massage parlour.

 
When he's winning games in a Browns uniform in November, very few Browns fans will be vocal about it.

When he's winning playoff games in a Browns uniform, they will give him the key to the city's massage parlour.
Most likely we will have to wait at least a year or longer to see this.  Can you imagine what fans of the NFL will say/protest if he doesn’t get a significant punishment.

 
Does anybody think the Browns are actually going to be a contender with Watson? Better than any of the teams in the West or Buffalo? Not even close. All the Browns did was invite everybody who despises scumbags like Watson (which despite what you see online is actually a lot of people) to despise the Browns and fairly or unfairly, their fans.

 
Does anybody think the Browns are actually going to be a contender with Watson? Better than any of the teams in the West or Buffalo? Not even close
100% yes I do I think they have a chance to be in the mix with those teams. It's a pretty talented roster and let's not let time and off the field stuff blur how good Watson has played for most of his career. With Watson under center I don't think Cleveland will need to enter a game against a team like KC, Buf or Cin and feel inferior at QB. That at minimum they got one from the same neighborhood.

I'd be willing to bet you did not have Cincy realistically winning the AFC last year. I know I did not. A stud QB with a little help can make a major difference sometimes.

 
“I know you have a career and a reputation,” Watson wrote. “And I know you would hate for someone to mess with yours, just like I don’t want anyone messing with mine.”

 
Does anybody think the Browns are actually going to be a contender with Watson? Better than any of the teams in the West or Buffalo? Not even close. All the Browns did was invite everybody who despises scumbags like Watson (which despite what you see online is actually a lot of people) to despise the Browns and fairly or unfairly, their fans.
They have a good amount of talent, and in all this mess of a story, I personally keep forgetting how good Watson is. If he gets 6 games, they will not be an easy out.

 
Is it really protecting their product though??  I mean really?

I think the constant suspension talk every time someone does something is a detriment to the product.  It takes the attention away from the product.  

No jail, no suspension....no jail, no suspension.....

I can see the poster boards now
I get that I have a different perspective than many (being a labor attorney can do that) but I absolutely believe an employer needs the ability to discipline employees in a meaningful way when they do something that harms the business. Or in this case, a collective enterprise. Whether that’s a fine or suspension, I don’t really care. 

It will be many of the same ones that quit the NFL over Vick, Kaepernick, or any of the others.
The collective has the potential to drive away fans. Other than an interest in the process here, and having two dynasty leagues, I’m definitely losing interest in watching millionaires and billionaires act like asses. 

Does anybody think the Browns are actually going to be a contender with Watson? Better than any of the teams in the West or Buffalo? Not even close. All the Browns did was invite everybody who despises scumbags like Watson (which despite what you see online is actually a lot of people) to despise the Browns and fairly or unfairly, their fans.
Division? Yes. Although Cincy is going to be tough of course.  The playoffs are anyone’s guess. 

 
You are right.  I am not convinced that there was force involved.  In fact, I don't remember that being an accusation even.  
Are you serious? I’m barely even following this and know there are multiple accusations of Watson trying to forcibly engage them in oral sex. Forcibly trying to kiss these women. Ejaculating on them without consent. 

The guy should be in prison and Browns’ fans are in here arguing he shouldn’t even be suspended. It’s disgusting. 

 
Does anybody think the Browns are actually going to be a contender with Watson? Better than any of the teams in the West or Buffalo? Not even close. All the Browns did was invite everybody who despises scumbags like Watson (which despite what you see online is actually a lot of people) to despise the Browns and fairly or unfairly, their fans.
I have to wonder how he can lead these men. Men with families. Daughters. How does he garner respect? 

 
Regardless of what consequences are placed on Watson I am still jaw to the floor shocked of what the Browns gave up in draft capital and financially to acquire him prior to his legal matters being settled. It is absolutely insane to me. The Texans are the only winners in this mess. 

 
PFN's Aaron Wilson reports that "there is concern from the NFL Players Association" that the league will look to suspend Deshaun Watson for "the entire 2022 season, if not indefinitely."

CBS' Josina Anderson also reported earlier today that there were talks between the NFL, NFLPA, and Watson's advisors to negotiate over discipline, and that talks "fell apart" over the number of games missed. It definitely feels like the momentum of the process is leading towards a lengthy Watson suspension. The Browns are "expected" to go forward with Jacoby Brissett, per Wilson, if Watson is suspended for the season. 

 
So it would be interesting to know since the lawsuits came out, what has Deshaun been doing for massages since then? Is he still getting many massage therapists via instagram, has he settled on a small number of therapists who work on him, or has he given up massages all together? Not proof of anything, but it would be interesting to know.

 
Regardless of what consequences are placed on Watson I am still jaw to the floor shocked of what the Browns gave up in draft capital and financially to acquire him prior to his legal matters being settled. It is absolutely insane to me. The Texans are the only winners in this mess. 
As a Watson fantasy owner, this could be awful stuck with him as a wasted bench spot for a 2nd year in dynasty. 

As a Texans fan, the 2023 draft pick is significantly going to be better without Watson in the lineup as well. 

 
dhockster said:
So it would be interesting to know since the lawsuits came out, what has Deshaun been doing for massages since then? Is he still getting many massage therapists via instagram, has he settled on a small number of therapists who work on him, or has he given up massages all together? Not proof of anything, but it would be interesting to know.
66 different women in less than a year and a half?  He can't stop on his own.

 
candian fantasy guy said:
After he said that he refused to play for them. That's pretty important part of that story that should be included in your statement. 
Asking for a trade is not the same as refusing to play.  Who can say for certain, but I suspect he would have played if not for the legal issues.

 
-OZ- said:
bro1ncos said:
It will be many of the same ones that quit the NFL over Vick, Kaepernick, or any of the others.
The collective has the potential to drive away fans. Other than an interest in the process here, and having two dynasty leagues, I’m definitely losing interest in watching millionaires and billionaires act like asses.


It would be a lot easier to give up without gambling and fantasy, for me and I think many other people.

I have two friends who have given it up entirely, just due to the political crap.  One was more rabid than me, the other more casual.  The casual guy gave it up cold turkey, pays zero attention.  The rabid one still follows the news but doesn't play fantasy or watch games.  Just texts me randomly with comments on how crazy the league is these days.  

 
dhockster said:
So it would be interesting to know since the lawsuits came out, what has Deshaun been doing for massages since then? Is he still getting many massage therapists via instagram, has he settled on a small number of therapists who work on him, or has he given up massages all together? Not proof of anything, but it would be interesting to know.
66 different women in less than a year and a half?  He can't stop on his own.


I wonder if he is in intense treatment for sex addiction, a la Tiger Woods.  If so, he may be getting lots of help staying sober.  He needs it for sure.

 
I wonder if he is in intense treatment for sex addiction, a la Tiger Woods.  If so, he may be getting lots of help staying sober.  He needs it for sure.
He thinks he has done nothing wrong.  As an addict, rock-bottom is a long way away, so no, he is not in treatment.  And even if he was right now, in his current mindset, therapy would do no good.

 
He thinks he has done nothing wrong.  As an addict, rock-bottom is a long way away, so no, he is not in treatment.  And even if he was right now, in his current mindset, therapy would do no good.


That is a very good point.  But it then again begs your original question of where he's getting his supply.

 
That is a very good point.  But it then again begs your original question of where he's getting his supply.
Easy answer - naive massage therapists who have yet to have been sexually assaulted, or hookers pretending to be massage therapists.  All 66 previous women fall into one of these 2 categories.

 
Easy answer - naive massage therapists who have yet to have been sexually assaulted, or hookers pretending to be massage therapists.  All 66 previous women fall into one of these 2 categories.
a "naive" therapist would have to be pretty stupid or live in a cave not to know about  Watson and his creepy tendencies.

no personal responsibility for any of these therapists agreeing to provide services at this point?  

any activity at this point almost has to be consensual.

 
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he's never been charged or accused of rape by any of the 24 accusers, if im not mistaken. 

if that hasn't come out by now, odds are highly likely that he isn't or hasn't done that. 

You can't suspend someone for life based on speculation that he MAY have done something that he's not once been accused of. 
sure you can

I saw Tom Cruise do that in Minority Report

so it must be OK 

 
Gopher State said:
Most likely we will have to wait at least a year or longer to see this.  Can you imagine what fans of the NFL will say/protest if he doesn’t get a significant punishment.
twitter bots whine about everything, loudly.

for about 12 seconds, until he next big thing

they take no action to support their whining.

no one will stop watching the NFL, regardless of the Watson outcome

the NFL knows this, which is why they are populating the airwaves with talk of massive suspensions to appease the masses, now

However, Watson will not be suspended this year.

20 cases have now settled, so that storyline has changed in his favor- removing these from the twitter mob attention span

maybe more cases will settle before the season starts - with likely only the first case left, going to trial in 2023

excepting the woke mob, who changes its mind every second anyway, the league then has strong rationale to wait for a verdict in that case before imposing discipline (innocent until proven guilty and all that hoo-haa)

if he loses. suspending him in 2023 costs him huge amount of money versus a 2022 suspension and loss of $1m

if he wins that case, no suspension

by then, the woke mob will have lost interest in the 1 case

 
twitter bots whine about everything, loudly.

for about 12 seconds, until he next big thing

they take no action to support their whining.

no one will stop watching the NFL, regardless of the Watson outcome

the NFL knows this, which is why they are populating the airwaves with talk of massive suspensions to appease the masses, now

However, Watson will not be suspended this year.

20 cases have now settled, so that storyline has changed in his favor- removing these from the twitter mob attention span

maybe more cases will settle before the season starts - with likely only the first case left, going to trial in 2023

excepting the woke mob, who changes its mind every second anyway, the league then has strong rationale to wait for a verdict in that case before imposing discipline (innocent until proven guilty and all that hoo-haa)

if he loses. suspending him in 2023 costs him huge amount of money versus a 2022 suspension and loss of $1m

if he wins that case, no suspension

by then, the woke mob will have lost interest in the 1 case
Or they give him an indefinite suspension  of at least a year, require him to have all his cases resolved to return, and then reapply to be able to play again. I am reading the room, which at this point doesn’t seem like Watson will play at all in 2022.

Not everyone thinks settling cases turns things in Watson’s favor. Plenty of people think that only shows guilt. I don’t think the league wants him to play this year, and they will make that happen. 

 
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I want to suggest that those who want to make solid posts here, take the time to read the lawsuits, here or here.
Thanks for sharing.  It was a useful post. 

The line I think could lead to some additional "supporting evidence" is the middle of Page 4: 

The NFL is notorious in its own right for a culture that fosters sexual harassment and sexual assault. 
The Owners behavior are a key tool to get added to the discussion from this point.  

 

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