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QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (2 Viewers)

menobrown said:
I'm going to throw this out there.

I think a lot of this is Watson has been so heavily criticized for his mainly lackluster play in Cleveland that he's sensitive to the criticism he'll get if he plays and can't function well knowing that a lot of people are not going to be offering excuses/support that it's due to the shoulder. They'll just keep pushing the narrative how sorry he is playing, what a bad trade this is, etc,etc. Which could be a true narrative, don't get me wrong, but I think from where he stands he's rather not play if he can't function and that may not be the case if he's not been under constant criticism for so long.
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You may as well just say he's very weak minded then, and sitting cause he's a scared baby.
 
ghostguy123 said:
menobrown said:
I'm going to throw this out there.

I think a lot of this is Watson has been so heavily criticized for his mainly lackluster play in Cleveland that he's sensitive to the criticism he'll get if he plays and can't function well knowing that a lot of people are not going to be offering excuses/support that it's due to the shoulder. They'll just keep pushing the narrative how sorry he is playing, what a bad trade this is, etc,etc. Which could be a true narrative, don't get me wrong, but I think from where he stands he's rather not play if he can't function and that may not be the case if he's not been under constant criticism for so long.
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You may as well just say he's very weak minded then, and sitting cause he's a scared baby.
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No but you can say that if you want.
 
menobrown said:
ghostguy123 said:
menobrown said:
I'm going to throw this out there.

I think a lot of this is Watson has been so heavily criticized for his mainly lackluster play in Cleveland that he's sensitive to the criticism he'll get if he plays and can't function well knowing that a lot of people are not going to be offering excuses/support that it's due to the shoulder. They'll just keep pushing the narrative how sorry he is playing, what a bad trade this is, etc,etc. Which could be a true narrative, don't get me wrong, but I think from where he stands he's rather not play if he can't function and that may not be the case if he's not been under constant criticism for so long.
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You may as well just say he's very weak minded then, and sitting cause he's a scared baby.
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No but you can say that if you want.
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You are saying he isnt playing because he is scared of criticism.
That doesn't mean scared baby?
Just say scared baby since you are implying it anyway.

You may actually be right. Wouldn't surprise me. Watson is a dbag
 
ghostguy123 said:
menobrown said:
ghostguy123 said:
menobrown said:
I'm going to throw this out there.

I think a lot of this is Watson has been so heavily criticized for his mainly lackluster play in Cleveland that he's sensitive to the criticism he'll get if he plays and can't function well knowing that a lot of people are not going to be offering excuses/support that it's due to the shoulder. They'll just keep pushing the narrative how sorry he is playing, what a bad trade this is, etc,etc. Which could be a true narrative, don't get me wrong, but I think from where he stands he's rather not play if he can't function and that may not be the case if he's not been under constant criticism for so long.
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You may as well just say he's very weak minded then, and sitting cause he's a scared baby.
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No but you can say that if you want.
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You are saying he isnt playing because he is scared of criticism.
That doesn't mean scared baby?
Just say scared baby since you are implying it anyway.

You may actually be right. Wouldn't surprise me. Watson is a dbag
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We could just be talking about the same thing but I'd choose to phrase more along the lines of he has become overly sensitive to the criticism.
 
Sold him for a mid to late 3rd in a start 1QB dynasty league. Easy to do when you have several other good options. I wanted to wash my hands of him.
 
menobrown said:
We could just be talking about the same thing but I'd choose to phrase more along the lines of he has become overly sensitive to the criticism.
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You may be right but good god that’s pathetic when the person is making boatloads to do his job and refuses to do it.
I was softening my stance a little here, as it is possible that he doesn’t feel right and knows his passes will be off due to the injury and the most likely outcome from playing with it is to prolong recovery and risk further injury.
The point was made on radio the other day that Watson doesn’t have reason to be scared of injury, he’s not entering into a negotiation or playing in the last year of his contract. Which I guess is true, but he also has zero incentive to play unless he feels like it. That contract was stupid at the time and really looks like it now.
 
FUBAR said:
as much as I like Watson (a lot), he's far from a lock to be the top pick. Top 3 sure. If I'm him, I declare and let the browns know, privately, that I'm not interested in playing for them.
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Just looking through the first page, :lmao: at this one.

panhead55 said:
On of, but not the worst, thanks to the Denver Broncos
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It might be bias but I’d bregrudgingly take Wilson with that deal over Watson with this one.
 
amnesiac said:
he doesn’t need to get to 100%, he just needs to be able to play.

no one is ever 100%, except maybe in the offseason.
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Not every injury is the same. Rotator cuff injury in the throwing shoulder is pretty serious. I don't blame him for being cautious if that is what his docs are advising.

I'd be curious to hear what the baseball pitchers do with this injury.
 
LawFitz said:
amnesiac said:
he doesn’t need to get to 100%, he just needs to be able to play.

no one is ever 100%, except maybe in the offseason.
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Not every injury is the same. Rotator cuff injury in the throwing shoulder is pretty serious. I don't blame him for being cautious if that is what his docs are advising.

I'd be curious to hear what the baseball pitchers do with this injury.
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oh, i agree with you, i just think the narrative that he's not coming back until the shoulder is perfect is false.

i think there's a point at which he will be "good enough" and that might be 90% (or some other number), but he's not dragging this out to be dramatic or whatever.

i've heard all sorts of silly conspiracy theories, and while i understand that he doesn't have a lot of goodwill built up with the fans, i personally think it's crazy to be dragging this guy over an on-field football injury.
 
A huge factor in the decision by quarterback Deshaun Watson to waive his no-trade clause and be traded to the Cleveland Browns was the lucrative contract he signed. The deal is worth $230 million dollars in all over five seasons and is fully guaranteed.

Watson’s contract comes with a pretty straight forward deal.

Signing bonus: $44.965 million, spread out over the length of the five year deal, averaging $8.993 million each season.

2022 base salary: $1.035 million, fully guaranteed.

2023 base salary: $46 million, fully guaranteed.

2024 base salary: $46 million, fully guaranteed.

2025 base salary: $46 million, fully guaranteed.

2026 base salary: $46 million, fully guaranteed.
 
FWIW, Dr. Jesse Morse from the Fantasy Doctors is of the opinion that Watson will not play this week and will quite possibly still be out the following week.
 
Rotator cuffs are tricky. I had surgery on mine this year and if he’s actually got an issue there, not surprised it comes and goes.

Very much has been a two steps forward, one back sort of recovery vs more linear at getting better. I’m no pro athlete with their trainers and contracts, but all I’ve heard all recovery from surgeon to PT is the word “tricky” and we’re talking about his throwing shoulder.
 
LawFitz said:
amnesiac said:
he doesn’t need to get to 100%, he just needs to be able to play.

no one is ever 100%, except maybe in the offseason.
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Not every injury is the same. Rotator cuff injury in the throwing shoulder is pretty serious. I don't blame him for being cautious if that is what his docs are advising.

I'd be curious to hear what the baseball pitchers do with this injury.
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A lot of them retire. These days guys come back from UCL surgery like its no problem at all but the rotator cuff has been the graveyard of many pitchers.
 
Galileo said:
FWIW, Dr. Jesse Morse from the Fantasy Doctors is of the opinion that Watson will not play this week and will quite possibly still be out the following week.
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Listen to the doctor's advice and rest for one more week .. I play the Watson owner whose only other QB is on a bye and there are no options on the waiver wire.
 
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LawFitz said:
amnesiac said:
he doesn’t need to get to 100%, he just needs to be able to play.

no one is ever 100%, except maybe in the offseason.
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Not every injury is the same. Rotator cuff injury in the throwing shoulder is pretty serious. I don't blame him for being cautious if that is what his docs are advising.

I'd be curious to hear what the baseball pitchers do with this injury.
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Bruise vs. tear is also a good situation to be in, but overuse can lead to the tear too if he isn't careful.

Tears are generally 3 degrees and we're talking cm differentiate in doing so as well. It's arthroscopic if it gets there, you're in PT 6ish weeks after surgery, but the recovery is largely teaching the rubber band to stretch back to "normal" again, which just takes time.

It also would depend which head or direction is the problematic one as to which part of his motion is injured or affected by the injury. I hurt mine like if we were flying beings I'd have a much tougher recovery to make, but lifting something in front of me or carrying a cooking pan from stove to counter wasn't problematic at all pre or post op.
 
Jayded said:
LawFitz said:
amnesiac said:
he doesn’t need to get to 100%, he just needs to be able to play.

no one is ever 100%, except maybe in the offseason.
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Not every injury is the same. Rotator cuff injury in the throwing shoulder is pretty serious. I don't blame him for being cautious if that is what his docs are advising.

I'd be curious to hear what the baseball pitchers do with this injury.
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Bruise vs. tear is also a good situation to be in, but overuse can lead to the tear too if he isn't careful.

Tears are generally 3 degrees and we're talking cm differentiate in doing so as well. It's arthroscopic if it gets there, you're in PT 6ish weeks after surgery, but the recovery is largely teaching the rubber band to stretch back to "normal" again, which just takes time.

It also would depend which head or direction is the problematic one as to which part of his motion is injured or affected by the injury. I hurt mine like if we were flying beings I'd have a much tougher recovery to make, but lifting something in front of me or carrying a cooking pan from stove to counter wasn't problematic at all pre or post op.
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this is a good point too. depending on your definition of "rotator cuff" there are a lot of different muscles involved. (some people include any muscle that crosses the shoulder joint, some only count the 4 smaller muscles)

there's probably zero chance they come out and specify which muscle is actually injured, but word was that he was having a hard time even lifting the arm.

that could just be due to inflammation as well for the first week or so, but at this point they've likely narrowed it down.

shoulders can be really weird to treat, unfortunately. everything has to work exactly in sync in order for it to function at a high level.
 
Galileo said:
FWIW, Dr. Jesse Morse from the Fantasy Doctors is of the opinion that Watson will not play this week and will quite possibly still be out the following week.
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yeah, if he wasn't practicing Wednesday, that would be my inclination as well.

we'll see if he practices next week.
 
NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reports Deshaun Watson is “back to day-to-day” with his shoulder injury.
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Rapoport also noted that “health aside, Watson will start this week,” but that’s been the case with Watson for the last several weeks. Watson cleared concussion protocol in Sunday’s win over the Colts but didn’t return to the game. On the play that sent him to the sideline, Watson took a hard shot that may have reaggravated the shoulder injury the sidelined him for three weeks. Head coach Kevin Stefanski has already said Watson would start in Week 8 against the Seahawks, but this situation could be one to watch based on this recent report.
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Fun update, Watson has started 10 games now for Cleveland, for reference's sake:

Watson's 10 games:
59.7% completion
11-8 TD/INT

Mayfield's last 10:
64.0% completion
11-6 TD/INT

Brissett's 11 last season:
64.1% completion
12-6 TD/INT

Not even factoring in morality, draft capital or contract, Watson's been a downgrade.

ETA: Russell Wilson in Denver (who is being treated like a joke these last couple weeks) has also been clearly better than Watson.

PJ Walker sucks, and DTR is nowhere near ready, but this may be the best team in the AFC at OL, and defense (and ST too) and yet this feels like a .500 team going forward,
 
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does anyone have a link to the play where he originally hurt the shoulder against the Titans?

i still don't think i've seen it.

tia.
 
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