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QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (3 Viewers)
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dhockster
Footballguy
They wouldn't. Which is why Deshaun won't get traded until his legal matters/league status are settled and teams know exactly whether Deshaun will be available to play for them.
dhockster
Footballguy
So last year the Texans were in a position to get an enormous return on Deshaun Watson before the sexual allegations came out. Two of the main teams interested in Deshaun were the Dolphins and Jets. They both had high 1st round picks, they both had multiple first round picks, they both were places Deshaun wanted to go, and they played in the same division so there was motivation to get Deshaun so the other team in the division wouldn't. Of course that all went away with the sexual allegations.
If we look forward to next off season and assume all legal matters have been resolved (not necessarily a safe assumption but go with me on this), a similar dynamic may be occurring. The Giants and Eagles both have multiple first round picks. Both should end up below .500 so their picks will be in the top half of the first round. The Giants own the Bears 1st round pick so that could be a fairly high pick. Both teams have QB's who they may not want to continue with after this season, depending on how they play the rest of the season. They obviously play in the same division so that gives each incentive to not let the other team get him. The only snag in this (other than the legal matters not being concluded or penalties relating to the legal matters being severe) for the Texans could be that apparently per unknown sources, Deshaun would veto a trade to Philadelphia. I just found it interesting that a once in a lifetime scenario, if you have to trade your young, top 5 franchise QB, is possibly lining up to happen again.
If we look forward to next off season and assume all legal matters have been resolved (not necessarily a safe assumption but go with me on this), a similar dynamic may be occurring. The Giants and Eagles both have multiple first round picks. Both should end up below .500 so their picks will be in the top half of the first round. The Giants own the Bears 1st round pick so that could be a fairly high pick. Both teams have QB's who they may not want to continue with after this season, depending on how they play the rest of the season. They obviously play in the same division so that gives each incentive to not let the other team get him. The only snag in this (other than the legal matters not being concluded or penalties relating to the legal matters being severe) for the Texans could be that apparently per unknown sources, Deshaun would veto a trade to Philadelphia. I just found it interesting that a once in a lifetime scenario, if you have to trade your young, top 5 franchise QB, is possibly lining up to happen again.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Where there's 22 separate accusers, there is fire. We'll see how it plays, but your base assumption seems like a long shot from where we sit right now.
dhockster
Footballguy
Perhaps. The fact that no criminal charges have been filed yet, leads me to believe that their is not enough evidence for a DA to convict. Not saying he didn't do it, but most of the allegations are he said/she said which makes reasonable doubt very possible depending on the testimony. Also, I think the civil lawsuits will go away if Deshaun throws enough money at them, which in the long run may be to his benefit.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Exactly. If Watson were released by the Texans tomorrow (won't happen, but just go with it for now) I think it would be tough for teams to take the PR hit of signing him. This isn't Kareem Hunt, where he was accused of doing one bad thing and then apologized for it. He has continued to deny the accusations, which is understandable because, if they're true, he's an incredibly creepy sexual predator. It's one of those things where, even if he admitted it, it would be incredibly difficult for people to get past.
Now, would a team sign him as a free agent? Yeah, probably, because in the NFL cynicism knows no bounds as long as you can still play. But it would be a real tough decision, the owner would have to sign off on it, etc. Basically, the Vick-to-Eagles situation on steroids (because Vick could at least say he had served his time, plus as much as people love dogs, sexual predation is going to be way more of a dealbreaker).
OK, now let's return to the real world, where everything I just said is true, but the team getting Watson also has to give away multiple draft picks, mortgage their future, and make him the face of the franchise. There's just no way it's going to happen. And if the Dolphins in particular did it now it would be seen as a move borne of desperation.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Based on the Texans willingness to keep Watson inactive and eat his contract, and the reported asking price, I do not think it is likely that he plays this year.
An obvious fit is PITT and it would fit their pattern of starting an alleged sexual assault offender at QB.
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dhockster
Footballguy
Based on the Texans willingness to keep Watson inactive and eat his contract, and the reported asking price, I do not think it is likely that he plays this year.
An obvious fit is PITT and it would fit their pattern of starting an alleged sexual assault offender at QB.
Agreed that it is unlikely Deshaun plays this season. Even if he were traded by the trade deadline and his new team tried to play him, I think it would be likely that the NFL would put him on the Commissioner's exempt list with the court cases still out there.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I think he gets traded to Miami or Philadelphia and plays right away.
Birdie048
Footballguy
As much I like this possibility, what are the realistic probabilities of him playing this year or next?
I just picked him up as a "throw in" on a deal.
How little info has been shared recently, was he trying to "settle out of court" and face a smaller league penalty?
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dipandglide
Footballguy
I’ve started shopping for him in 2qb leagues where my team isn’t strong and I’m playing for next year. He’ll be back under center next year at the latest. He’s worth the gamble.
Birdie048
Footballguy
BigJonE300
Footballguy
FWIW - I cut him in my 16-team contract keeper league for Winston. My starter has been Stafford who has been working out just fine of course. Watson was in the last year of his contract on my team with no extension available. I had been holding out hope he would be traded by now, but with bye weeks starting up starting QBs are going to find their way onto rosters.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Unconfirmed reports that owner Stephen Ross has demanded that the front office make a trade for DeShaun Watson immediately.
Dan Sileo is reporting this and he is saying that on Monday obviously today that Miami is going to make their offer to Houston.
What's odd is that it seems to be leaking out, I would think these two teams have already spoken, the way this is being reported, it sounds like Miami is telling the media before they ever speak to Houston which is ridiculous.
Still, it feels like Miami is desperate and needs to do something.
Dan Sileo is reporting this and he is saying that on Monday obviously today that Miami is going to make their offer to Houston.
What's odd is that it seems to be leaking out, I would think these two teams have already spoken, the way this is being reported, it sounds like Miami is telling the media before they ever speak to Houston which is ridiculous.
Still, it feels like Miami is desperate and needs to do something.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Desperate moves can get a team in BIG trouble. A trade for Watson could hurt the Dolphins for years to come if it doesn't work out
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I picked Waston up in a redraft league after Jay Glazer said to keep an eye on this. Nothing for 2-3 weeks and I had him eyed to drop and of course more news without being news happens.
John McClain saying deal could be done this week with Dolphins:
https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/1450909383429349382
And this:
@AaronWilson_NFL
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Another team's potential involvement in another potential trade, not involving Deshaun Watson, is a factor in this situation, per league sources
https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/1450909383429349382
And this:
@AaronWilson_NFL
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Another team's potential involvement in another potential trade, not involving Deshaun Watson, is a factor in this situation, per league sources
RealReactions
Footballguy
I wonder what the trade would be. Most likely Tua and probably a 1st with some guarantee if he never plays again
Chaka
Footballguy
This may be a move for next year. I have to imagine he immediately goes on the commissioner's exempt list the moment any team activates him.
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This could be a wild multiple team trade or set of trades but serious rumors are that Denver might get Tua. ETA-and now Washington rumored to be in the mix.
My best guess of what is going on now is that Houston and Miami are close to a deal but Miami wants to move Tua first and sounds like they are working on it now.
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foxco
Footballguy
Can't see the NFL letting him step on a field with all these legal issues. I'd be shocked if he played 1 snap this season (unless he settles.)
Dizzy
Footballguy
Agreed. I thought the sentiment all along was that HOU was being proactive in keeping him off the field and that was the only thing keeping him off the exempt list. Legal proceedings scheduled for Q1 2022 IIRC?
Chaka
Footballguy
Yup.
Florio has been harping for a while that any team that really wants Watson should make the deal now before QBs start moving around in the off-season creating more competition for teams seeking Watson.
The NFL has never put a player on exempt list that was not facing criminal charges and multiple reports have continued to come out during course of this that they plan to do nothing with Watson until at least the criminal investigation is complete.
He's going to get traded and he's going to play for his new team this year.
He's going to get traded and he's going to play for his new team this year.
Tua could be reunited with Fitzmagic. That would actually be pretty great for them though, as its not shaping up to be a great draft class, and they likely won't pick high enough to have their choice of guys
TampaMike19
Footballguy
How are the Dolphins giving up on Tua in less than 2 years? He really that bad, or an injury liability? lol
Forever haunted by the Herbert pick
Forever haunted by the Herbert pick
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If you have Will Fuller, keep him for one more week, just in case he comes back next week from IR and Watson comes to Miami.
I think its more that Watson is a top-5 player in the NFL. Doesn't matter if Tua is decent or not. Watson is basically Mahomes with off field issues.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
To those that say it's to early to give up on him I would ask what's the trait you've seen from him that is special or elite? I just don't think it's to early to say that while Tua might have some intangibles and leadership ability that makes him a solid NFL starting QB he's just not elite and when you get a shot to get a proven young elite QB you take it. I think he's always going to be in that QB20+ range myself.
If this is all true of sending Watson to Miami, and I think it is, I'm less surprised that Miami is moving on from Tua as I am that Philly did not make the winning offer due to the capital they possess. How much Watson's trade veto power played a part in that is something I'd be curious to find out in time.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
I think the 1st round capital that Tua possesses means a lot more to GM's than the late 2nd round capital that Hurts possesses. Eagles do have amazing first round picks last year (maybe not the Colts). They get Watson for next year they could be back in business as a NFC east contender
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I heard 3-team deal with WFT involved and Tua going to D.C.
Same things we're talking here?
I heard 3-team deal with WFT involved and Tua going to D.C.
Same things we're talking here?
I think so. . Benjamin Allrbight and a few others are saying Denver is engaged, Allbright also said Washington was in the mix. And yes that's what I think the tweet about other teams potential involvement means.
jtd13
Footballguy
Tua looks like he can be great to me. Great accuracy, very good pocket awareness and mobility to take advantage of it, good enough arm strength, and somehow hasn't gotten worse despite being in a terrible situation for a young QB with respect to protection, scheme and weapons.
The problem is the defense on the OL. Watson is better right now, but he's not fixing that, and it's probably going to cause a locker room meltdown.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Is it Hou-Mia-Den, Hou-Mia-Was
and what I'm asking or wondering is if a bidding war is about to break out or if Miami has a deal already set up.
RealReactions
Footballguy
Tua No longer on Miami depth chart.... I think it's about to happen
Edit: nevermind he is now back on. someone has to be f**king with everyone
Edit: nevermind he is now back on. someone has to be f**king with everyone
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Scooby1974
Footballguy
Redraft......Do we need to pick Watson up, or doesn't he get to play..........and can we stomach what he is accused of doing?
RealReactions
Footballguy
I personally couldnt care less what a person does off the field WHEN I'm looking at fantasy football. Only thing that matters is if he is good or not.
With that said I can still not like him as a person
Scooby1974
Footballguy
I picked him up. We'll see what happens. I already feel dirty. I'm going to go home and hug my wife.
Would have to think Miami knows way more than the general public knows to be pursuing this, I doubt he's suspended at all, until something legally actually happens.
I have no real care fantasy wise, if my players are good people or not. I'm also not a judge or jury, so its really not my problem what anyone has done off the field. I personally won't be picking Watson up, but in my only redraft, I've got Dak and Burrow.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
I snagged him. I've got Brady and a bye coming up. If Watson comes out firing and putting up points this could be a free top 5 QB.
