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QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (2 Viewers)

The Browns would instantly be Super Bowl contenders and I'd absolutely hate it.
agree. They still need one more receiver, but the framework is there. Elite defense, great OL. Watson would make them an instant contender. 

The Steelers facing Watson, Burrow, and Jackson 6 times a year would destroy our chances of success. 
Watson would be great as a Steeler with those receiving weapons, but the team has a lot of holes, including a pretty shaky OL. I see the same issue with PIT as I do SEA. They’d have to give up all their tools to rebuild to get a QB, which sets them back everywhere else.

I get that long-term it gets them an elite franchise QB, but that sort of rebuild is easier said than done. 

 
I think that if the Browns enter the fray, they have the best shot at getting a deal approved by Watson because they have WR talent (Cooper), great RBs, a great O-line, and a very talented defense.
Based on what Watson is looking for you are spot on of the teams I believe are viably looking to make competitive offers for him with regards to Cleveland checking a lot of boxes. But I really don't know with Watson. What made Miami the absolute place above all others he wanted to go? They were missing a lot of those ingredients. So maybe the answer was Flores and to that I say why, how do they even know each other? 

I'd also say of the teams that are viably connected to making legit offers for Watson the only team that might check off the boxes with respect to putting him in a better situation to win with WR/OL/D talent and much easier path is Philly and he may not want anything to do with them and I don't know why.

Just a long winded way of saying I don't know what Watson wants, hard guy to figure out.

he Steelers facing Watson, Burrow, and Jackson 6 times a year would destroy our chances of success. 
Think of the positive angle. Our team seems built for a long stretch of mediocrity with one of the major issues never being bad enough to get a high pick for elite QB prospect. Add in Watson to Browns and this problem might work itself out and by the time it does most of this group will be on massive second contracts and while Steelers are only team in division with a QB on the rookie scale.

 
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If reports are true and the Saints and Panthers have made offers...I guess we know who wants him. If your team isn't being mentioned at this point...we can say Watson won't go to Carolina but we don't really know that. And it sounds like Tepper was ready to mortgage the farm, they compete in the NFC, perfect golf swing for the Houston Texans. 

Sure Watson only wants to play for Teams X, Y and Z but that was before all this dirty massage stuff came out. He's gotta be embarrassed at this point and we haven't heard a peep out of him. If these lawsuits had not happened, we would have heard daily rants from Watson about how poor Houston was in football operations but at this point we will never hear about it even after he is traded he'll just politely thank everyone for coming out and how he's looking forward to competing again and wants to just move forward and not look back.  

-Yeah I'm kinda bitter that we won't get a lot more access to what happens behind the scenes. We got a peek what happens in behind the scenes in Deshaun Watson's World, imagine what unfolds inside the organization hierarchy, he learned it from someone 😉 

 
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No, I'd say he's solid, though it seems like he didn't end on great terms with Tom. But the Bucs are projected to lose their center and their great Guard just retired surprising the team. Their O-line will 100% be questionable and they're projected to lose a lot of talent in free agency. They're nowhere near the same team they were last year, let alone 2 years ago. 

Sounds like the Saints and Panthers have already made offers. I think that if the Browns enter the fray, they have the best shot at getting a deal approved by Watson because they have WR talent (Cooper), great RBs, a great O-line, and a very talented defense. The Browns would instantly be Super Bowl contenders and I'd absolutely hate it. The Steelers facing Watson, Burrow, and Jackson 6 times a year would destroy our chances of success. 


If you can't stop Jackson you should probably just quit the season. MIA showed the blue print for Lamar. If I had a good defense I wouldn't be scared of him at all. Just throw corner and Zero blitzes at him all game and keep contain. Force him to beat you from the pocket. If he gets one big play off so what. He's super inconsistent. 

 
If you can't stop Jackson you should probably just quit the season. MIA showed the blue print for Lamar. If I had a good defense I wouldn't be scared of him at all. Just throw corner and Zero blitzes at him all game and keep contain. Force him to beat you from the pocket. If he gets one big play off so what. He's super inconsistent. 
I think this is mostly true. He’s exciting but I’m not sure we’ll ever see Lamar consistently win against really good teams. 

 
I think this is mostly true. He’s exciting but I’m not sure we’ll ever see Lamar consistently win against really good teams. 


I just think the dude is what he is. A poorman's Vick/Cunningham. Seems like a good guy but he's never consistent and his playoff numbers to be nice are not on par with what you expect for a playoff team or QB. Don't think BAL should go crazy on extension either. 

 
It's covered in multiple tweets so if anyone wants look up Aaron Wilson's twitter account but he's put out several in last hour or so saying stuff such as New Orleans has emerged as strong contender, 3 #1's and Ramczyk as part of deal, that he would look forward to playing with Michael Thomas and re-creating a Hopkins like hookup.

All I can say I'd do if I'm the Saints but on Watson's side I don't get it if this is true and he has a say. Payton is gone, he'd likely lost both very good OT's with Armstead hitting FA, no first round pick for years, no cap space and Kamara facing criminal charges. And now add in Brady back in the division another year.

 
It's covered in multiple tweets so if anyone wants look up Aaron Wilson's twitter account but he's put out several in last hour or so saying stuff such as New Orleans has emerged as strong contender, 3 #1's and Ramczyk as part of deal, that he would look forward to playing with Michael Thomas and re-creating a Hopkins like hookup.

All I can say I'd do if I'm the Saints but on Watson's side I don't get it if this is true and he has a say. Payton is gone, he'd likely lost both very good OT's with Armstead hitting FA, no first round pick for years, no cap space and Kamara facing criminal charges. And now add in Brady back in the division another year.
I would think they could afford to bring Armstead back of they are dealing Ramczyk. Watson would also get a dome, and a nice defense to support him. I can see the appeal. Wouldn't be shocked to see them bring Will Fuller in on the cheap as well if Watson ended up there.

 
Football Morning In America: The Week That Shook The NFL World, And All The Deals Still To Come (And, Oh Yeah, Tom Brady Unretired)
 

NFL News And Notes

The Deshaun Watson Risk/Reward Question

Talking over the weekend with one team that has some interest in trading for the sidelined Houston quarterback (“Kicking the tires on it,” one club official said), it was clear that the sordid part of Watson’s story is not over, despite a Texas grand jury deciding Friday not to hand down an indictment of sexual misconduct against Watson. This team was just coming to grips with the fact that, though Watson will not be charged criminally, 22 women have maintained in civil cases that Watson engaged in sexual misconduct during massage-therapy appointments while he was the Texans quarterback. Watson has vehemently denied the charges and is set to testify Tuesday and answer questions about the civil suits. It’s logical no team will make an offer until they hear what he says.

Even after the presumed NFL suspension for part of the 2022 season is served by Watson, the teams interested in dealing for him—the Panthers, Eagles, Browns, Seahawks and Saints, reportedly—have to consider how much to factor in public reaction in their communities. Enterprising reporters wherever he signs will try to find and interview the women who have accused Watson. The sordid details in stories several massage therapists told to Sports Illustrated last year will emerge again.

Internally, interested teams will ask before making a trade: Is this the franchise cornerstone we want to hold up to our fans and sponsors? One club official told me Friday that Watson, coming out of Clemson in 2017, was one of the cleanest top prospects off the field this team has seen in recent years. That, also, will weigh into the decision by teams.

It’s an important question that every team considering a trade will have to debate internally. And then there are these three other important questions:

Most importantly, which teams will Watson waive his no-trade clause? Would he say okay to a deal to the Eagles, in a very tough town, if they were interested? When Michael Vick signed there after his incarceration for dog-fighting, fans picketed and some never let it go. Or would fans be so in love with Watson’s talent that they’d let the past go? How about the Panthers, surely interested, with the thin ice coach Matt Rhule appears to be on? The no-trade part of the story is a legitimate question.

What’s a fair price in trade? Watson is owed $35 million guaranteed this year, and you should not expect the Texans—after paying him $10.5 million to sit last fall—to contribute a dime to that $35 million. The acquiring team will be in line to pay all of that, plus per-year non-guaranteed compensation of $37 million, $32 million and $32 million from 2023-25. I think the price will start with at least three first-round picks, and probably some add-ons.

• Is he worth it? If a team can handle the off-field part, morally and practically, it’s getting a 26-year-old franchise quarterback who, in 2020, led the NFL with career-bests in passing yards (4,823), TD-to-interception differential (plus-26) and rating (112.4) on a bad Houston team.

Watson has the upside of a top-five NFL quarterback for the next decade. Some team is going to bet it can withstand the negatives of the next 12 to 18 months and look toward solving a major need with a player it thinks it will love in 2025, 2027, 2029
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If you can't stop Jackson you should probably just quit the season. MIA showed the blue print for Lamar. If I had a good defense I wouldn't be scared of him at all. Just throw corner and Zero blitzes at him all game and keep contain. Force him to beat you from the pocket. If he gets one big play off so what. He's super inconsistent. 
The Steelers are 3-1 against Jackson in the last 4 games, so it seems like they're figuring him out, but he's still considered a top 10 QB, so that would mean two top 5 QBs and a top 10 QB in 1 division. Pretty tough. 

Think of the positive angle. Our team seems built for a long stretch of mediocrity with one of the major issues never being bad enough to get a high pick for elite QB prospect. Add in Watson to Browns and this problem might work itself out and by the time it does most of this group will be on massive second contracts and while Steelers are only team in division with a QB on the rookie scale.
The positive angle is us losing so much we draft at the top of the draft? That sounds pretty sh***y. I'd rather be excited in January than excited in April. My main hope is that if we are able to have success against that gauntlet, then that means we'd probably have success in the playoffs if we made it. 

I think a recent example of a tough division having success is the NFC West; the Rams, 49ers, Cards, and Seahawks. They've had a lot of great teams over the past decade and have been to 6 of the last 10 Super Bowls and have won 2. 

 
Does he want to go to Carolina now with Brady back in the division?
:stirspot:

It would only set him back one season. Feels like if Carolina was his spot that they would have done it already. Tepper is literally ready to take the position and bend over the desk. It feels like they are trying to sell Watson if they can even get him on the phone. 

With so much in the media, it makes you wonder if there isn't a Silent Bidder behind the scenes that knows Watson wants to come there and Watson is vetoing any team that isn't the one he desires. 

I'm saying Watson and his lawyer could be back channeling to signal to the teams he wants to play for that if they are serious, Watson can dig his heels in to make it happen. Now that still will require a King's ransom but maybe there is a team people thought was off the table but reality is getting ready to unfold. Franchise arcs for the next 3-5 years are changing before our eyes. 

 
It's covered in multiple tweets so if anyone wants look up Aaron Wilson's twitter account but he's put out several in last hour or so saying stuff such as New Orleans has emerged as strong contender, 3 #1's and Ramczyk as part of deal, that he would look forward to playing with Michael Thomas and re-creating a Hopkins like hookup.

All I can say I'd do if I'm the Saints but on Watson's side I don't get it if this is true and he has a say. Payton is gone, he'd likely lost both very good OT's with Armstead hitting FA, no first round pick for years, no cap space and Kamara facing criminal charges. And now add in Brady back in the division another year.
I wonder if trading for Watson would cause Payton to have a Brady like change of heart regarding retirement. :lol:

 
steelers1080 said:
The positive angle is us losing so much we draft at the top of the draft? That sounds pretty sh***y. I'd rather be excited in January than excited in April.
I'd rather be excited in February and that's not going to happen without a franchise QB in this AFC.

 
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Deshaun Watson is expected to meet with the Panthers and Saints in the "next 48 hours."

We already knew meetings were expected to take place, now we have a better idea of the timeline. It is unclear which side is going first, though as is the case with a free agent visit, it could be of paramount importance. That first side will be highly motivated to strike an agreement before Watson leaves the building. The complicating factor here, of course, is the Texans accepting the trade compensation. 

RELATED: 

New Orleans Saints

, Carolina Panthers

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter 

Mar 14, 2022, 11:00 AM ET

 
Sounds like HOU Is getting a bidding war going in the NFC South.

The rare occasion I’ll say the Texans are doing something really smart. 

I love how the Browns PR dept tried to float some half-hearted attempt to dip their toes in this and the Texans came out with a statement an hour later that didn’t even mention them. 

 
Sounds like HOU Is getting a bidding war going in the NFC South.
And perhaps they are using Shefter and Aaron Wilson to drive up the price.

But one thing I'd add is that Shefter report and others are saying that Watson is meeting with the Saints, Panthers and others. That's key because if he was just talking to these two teams I'd think it was between them since I think he's going to be traded in next 48 hours, before new league year begins Wednesday.

 
Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but Watson's 2023 salary & roster bonus fully guarantee on 3/20/2022. So I would fully expect they will do everything they can to trade him a few days before that so his new team can restructure his deal (assuming they want to but I would think every team would want to for maximizing their cap space flexibility going forward.)

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
I'm saying Watson and his lawyer could be back channeling to signal to the teams he wants to play for that if they are serious, Watson can dig his heels in to make it happen. Now that still will require a King's ransom but maybe there is a team people thought was off the table but reality is getting ready to unfold. Franchise arcs for the next 3-5 years are changing before our eyes. 
If Hou is allowing Watson to opening talk to interested Teams (more than just NOS & CAR?), why hide the 3rd party efforts and hinder the deal?  If he is selectively waiving his No Trade Clause to avoid CAR, which appears evident, NOS is a lone wolf bidding against themselves?  

I thought Miami has clearly declared themselves out of the party.  But with Flores in Pitt, is Pitt the new suitor? 

And the chaos of the Car front office moves might make him have flashbacks to the move Houston did the past 2 years.  

 
I don't see how CLE is an exciting destination. 

Amari doesn't scare anyone. Doesn't go deep, has hamstring issues literally every other week.

People-Jones? Those TE?  Meh. 

 
It's covered in multiple tweets so if anyone wants look up Aaron Wilson's twitter account but he's put out several in last hour or so saying stuff such as New Orleans has emerged as strong contender, 3 #1's and Ramczyk as part of deal, that he would look forward to playing with Michael Thomas and re-creating a Hopkins like hookup.

All I can say I'd do if I'm the Saints but on Watson's side I don't get it if this is true and he has a say. Payton is gone, he'd likely lost both very good OT's with Armstead hitting FA, no first round pick for years, no cap space and Kamara facing criminal charges. And now add in Brady back in the division another year.
I mean the Brady thing is only one season (maybe 2) and the other two teams in the division are currently quite terrible.

 
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Deshaun Watson is expected to meet with the Panthers and Saints in the "next 48 hours."
Everyone should read this a couple times and realize that Houston is clearly still not holding the cards...on what planet does the QB or any player get to meet the owner and front office of potential landing spots after this legal mess? All communication is usually done thru GMs and Owners, Watson and his agent are actually getting sit down meet n greets with potential buyers after what he has done creating a legal mess for himself and anyone who wants his services...that is just incredible. 

Houston isn't doing anything smart here FYI, do not give them any credit whatsoever in this debacle, they are still riding Watson's ##### in the passenger seat. They are going to get hosed, doubt this becomes 3 1st round picks. 

 
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Joe Person @josephperson

Amid multiple reports that Panthers will meet with Deshaun Watson, I'm told Matt Rhule and Scott Fitterer are not in the office today.


Everyone should read this a couple times and realize that Houston is clearly still not holding the cards...on what planet does the QB or any player get to meet the owner and front office of potential landing spots after this legal mess? All communication is usually done thru GMs and Owners, Watson and his agent are actually getting sit down meet n greets with potential buyers after what he has done creating a legal mess for himself and anyone who wants his services...that is just incredible. 

Houston isn't doing anything smart here FYI, do not give them any credit whatsoever in this debacle, they are still riding Watson's ##### in the passenger seat. They are going to get hosed, doubt this becomes 3 1st round picks. 


Buyer Beware.  

At what cost would CAR acquire Watson .... early reports all but Chin or Burns.  

They would not want CMC or Robby Anderson (new contract)... so maybe DJ Moore, OL & LB along with some picks?  

That might cripple the Offense Watson needs to work with! 

 
Cant Watson just stay in Houston and get paid to sit home?

No way someone is paying  a mega haul.  They dont have to

 
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Cant Watson just stay in Houston and get paid to sit home?

No way someone is paying  a mega haul.  They dont have to
Won't happen for many reasons. There is a market for him. He will be traded. And Houston JUST did that. They ain't paying him 2 years in a row to do nothing. 

 
Won't happen for many reasons. There is a market for him. He will be traded. And Houston JUST did that. They ain't paying him 2 years in a row to do nothing. 
Right, they HAVE to trade him, and considering the no trade clause, watson holds the cards here, and you can bet anything he would prefer a team not deplete all their resources if he was to go there.

Hence, the possibility of Watson sitting at home making his money

 
Right, they HAVE to trade him, and considering the no trade clause, watson holds the cards here, and you can bet anything he would prefer a team not deplete all their resources if he was to go there.

Hence, the possibility of Watson sitting at home making his money
I doubt it.  His number went WAY up this year.  

 
Right, they HAVE to trade him, and considering the no trade clause, watson holds the cards here, and you can bet anything he would prefer a team not deplete all their resources if he was to go there.

Hence, the possibility of Watson sitting at home making his money
It would be a hell of a game of chicken to sit out 2 years. And only HE knows the real truth. If he feels more stuff might come out, he'd be wise to get on a new team asap. 

 
It would be a hell of a game of chicken to sit out 2 years. And only HE knows the real truth. If he feels more stuff might come out, he'd be wise to get on a new team asap. 
He wasnt sitting out himself.   They MADE him sit out.

Why would going to another team matter at all if he is getting paid regardless?

 
Multiple teams interested equals a haul. Especially two in the same division. 
Not when Watson can say no to one of them, which he will smartly do once he decides which team he would rather play for.  In which case, it's a one team bidding war.

Let's put it this way, Watson is going to get traded for a lot less than he would if he didnt have a no trade clause. 

 
He wasnt sitting out himself.   They MADE him sit out.

Why would going to another team matter at all if he is getting paid regardless?
I'm not sure why you're pushing the "Deshaun can sit out 2 years narrative" But sure ok. He can sit out another year. Excellent back and forth here. Some people like to work. Some people like to sit back and collect checks. I dunno dude. 

 
I'm not sure why you're pushing the "Deshaun can sit out 2 years narrative" But sure ok. He can sit out another year. Excellent back and forth here. Some people like to work. Some people like to sit back and collect checks. I dunno dude. 
It's that potential that just might drive DOWN the price.  That's the point.

It's a real possibility.  This is a rather unique situation.

 
The Houston Chronicle's John McClain reports Deshaun Watson has "rejected everybody but Carolina and New Orleans.”  

McClain's report falls in line with ESPN's Adam Schefter's Monday report that Watson will meet with the Saints and Panthers, amid his deposition in 22 civil cases alleging sexual assault against the Houston quarterback. Watson is expected to meet with both teams in Texas Monday night. The Texans' asking price for Watson reportedly hasn't changed: The team still wants multiple first rounders and players in a blockbuster deal for Watson. Carolina would seem like a nominally better landing spot for Watson's fantasy prospects. McLain's also noted that Seattle was one destination that Watson specifically rejected. Seattle will have to turn to free agency or the draft to replace Russell Wilson now. 

RELATED: 

Carolina Panthers

, New Orleans Saints

, Seattle Seahawks

SOURCE: Kyle Bailey on Twitter 

Mar 14, 2022, 5:36 PM ET

 
Multiple teams interested equals a haul. Especially two in the same division. 
If Watson wanted to stick it to Houston, he could pick just one team and go public saying that is the only team he will approve a trade to.  That would take all the leverage out of the Texans hands.

 
If Watson wanted to stick it to Houston, he could pick just one team and go public saying that is the only team he will approve a trade to.  That would take all the leverage out of the Texans hands.
It would be funny if he did.

Then funny if Houston comes out and says "well, I guess you are our QB this year then".

Then the real game of chicken starts

 
Obligation, no.

Incentive, yes.  They would have to pay him 30 something million to sit.
They would eat the 30M to get the draft picks they want. It’s not like they are competing this year anyways. But it won’t matter, because they’ll get a fair offer. 

 
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