QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (2 Viewers)

[daveR]

I could see a draft package of two one's and two two's.  That seems to be the going price, more or less.  The problem is where.  Teams that look successful trading away their top picks (Rams, Broncos(?)) already have the other pieces in place.  Carolina doesn't and NO is foundering.  TB or Den would have been good landing spots.  MIA still is (were they interested).  CLE has the pieces, but I'm always skeptical of reports from unnamed "sources".  More than likely, that source is another hack making things up.  Hell, I could be a source.

 

[Anarchy99]

I could see a draft package of two one's and two two's.  That seems to be the going price, more or less.  The problem is where.  Teams that look successful trading away their top picks (Rams, Broncos(?)) already have the other pieces in place.  Carolina doesn't and NO is foundering.  TB or Den would have been good landing spots.  MIA still is (were they interested).  CLE has the pieces, but I'm always skeptical of reports from unnamed "sources".  More than likely, that source is another hack making things up.  Hell, I could be a source.

Just curious why you think the Texans would get less than the Seahawks got (they also got three players back in addition to the picks you mentioned) Watson is 7 years younger and signed for 4 years. Wilson is signed for 2 years.

Trey Lance, who never played a down in the NFL, was acquired for three 1's and a 3.

Do you feel Watson's off-field stuff will reduce his return in a trade?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Just curious why you think the Texans would get less than the Seahawks got (they also got three players back in addition to the picks you mentioned) Watson is 7 years younger and signed for 4 years. Wilson is signed for 2 years.

Trey Lance, who never played a down in the NFL, was acquired for three 1's and a 3.

Do you feel Watson's off-field stuff will reduce his return in a trade?

Why wasn't Watson traded last summer?

That's your answer

 

[Anarchy99]

Why wasn't Watson traded last summer?

That's your answer

Because he was under investigation and potentially faced jail time, and there wasn't time to let things play out before teams had to make firm plans at QB. That's not the same this year, and teams are lining up trying to acquire him. Demand drives prices up. His off-field stuff doesn't appear to have scared teams off.

 

[Faust]

Deshaun Watson trade suitors now focused on his next deposition and possible NFL suspension

Excerpt:

A source familiar with the requests — as well as Watson’s willingness to speak to specific teams — told Yahoo Sports that the Texans are continuing to seek “five assets,” which will most likely amount to three first-round draft picks and either two second-round selections or starting-caliber players. Multiple sources have also indicated that Houston continues to prefer trading Watson to the NFC, but that could extend to AFC teams that are not in the Texans’ division.

While Watson is still expected to meet with NFL investigators as part of their probe into the allegations against him, any testimony in the civil trials can also be used to determine whether a suspension is warranted under the league’s personal conduct policy. The NFL had told Watson’s legal camp that it would pause its investigation to allow a Houston Police Department investigation and grand jury proceedings to operate without interference. Now that the criminal investigation and jury deliberations are complete, the NFL is free to move forward in its own probe.

All of that leads into the second aspect that teams are weighing when it comes to Watson’s future: a potential NFL suspension that could be shaped by Watson’s depositions. Two teams considering a pursuit of Watson told Yahoo Sports they are already factoring in a potential suspension as part of their decision-making process. Specifically, the teams believe Watson is likely to face a six-game suspension under the NFL’s personal conduct policy, which can be liberally applied to players in instances of alleged assault and do not require a legal verdict of guilt.

However, they added that a Watson suspension could also be lengthened or shortened by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, on the basis of other information that comes to light before a determination is made. That information could come from the depositions of Watson and his accusers in the civil cases, from the interviews of some of the accusers by NFL investigators (which have already occurred), or from Watson’s interview with league investigators.

 

[Tha Guru]

i'm starting to lick my chops...

if watson wants a SB, there's only ONE qb "needy" team he should be going to. deep breaths....

Saints?  The Saints were only 1 of 4 teams that held opponents under 20 ppg last year.  Watson with MT13 and adding a 2nd WR will put them in contention........especially in the weaker NFC.

 

[Soulfly3]

Rumor yesterday afternoon about the Browns. I see it disputed and Watson being more the rejecting party, but for debate with my fellow Texans fans, what would you think if this were real?

I’m intellectually curious what these teams will offer and which one the Texans select and why.

https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1503431806397394962?s=20&t=BN25_ue5Wn93BuUVqUenGA

So why is he meeting w Cleveland today then?

They're loaded and he could take that team on a deep run. 

Was referring to that report that said DESHAUN rejected the browns. 

So why would he meet w them today if he rejected them?

 

[ffmail4me]

Watson would make the Browns, Colts, Saints, Commanders (I wish) and Panthers (IF CMC is healthy) contenders IMO. He's that good. 

 

[Stinkin Ref]

sitting here trying to imagine what the dialogue is in these "meetings with teams"....would love to be a fly on the wall....is it all puppies and rainbows and they dance around and don't discuss the gorilla in the room....does Watson take the 5th with them too...lol.....I mean, considering what is at stake here and the money/trade capital/PR ramifications, you would think teams would want some details in order to make a full complete assessment....I'm just curious how this all shakes out behind closed doors....or is this the totally opposite and Watson is the one doing the "interviewing"...

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I only mention the colts in reference to QB needy teams otherwise being contenders.  As unlikely as it may be. 

Saints make sense and have been a primary consideration  

Reportedly, the colts inquired. HOU was not receptive. 

 

[Anarchy99]

Saints?  The Saints were only 1 of 4 teams that held opponents under 20 ppg last year.  Watson with MT13 and adding a 2nd WR will put them in contention........especially in the weaker NFC.

Certainly, this is better discussed in another thread, but how much can Thomas be relied on given that in the past 33 Saints games, he contributed 40 receptions for 438 yards and 0 TD?

 

[menobrown]

I’m intellectually curious what these teams will offer and which one the Texans select and why.

 At a MINIMUM 3 #'1 and 2 #2's plus a little extra on top.  If it's any less then that it's because existing players of value are included.

 

[Faust]

'A lot at stake, not just money': Texans QB Deshaun Watson to answer questions under oath Tuesday

 

[Anarchy99]

Reportedly, the colts inquired. HOU was not receptive. 

Three quarters of the league should have inquired. Realistically, who wouldn't have? Probably not BUF, CIN, KC, BAL, LAC, DAL, GB, and ARI. Everyone else probably at least put a call in. (TB and DEN likely did prior to last week.)

 

[Faust]

Reportedly, the colts inquired. HOU was not receptive. 

Report: Texans declined Colts' attempt to speak with Deshaun Watson

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I could see a draft package of two one's and two two's.  That seems to be the going price, more or less.  The problem is where.  Teams that look successful trading away their top picks (Rams, Broncos(?)) already have the other pieces in place.  Carolina doesn't and NO is foundering.  TB or Den would have been good landing spots.  MIA still is (were they interested).  CLE has the pieces, but I'm always skeptical of reports from unnamed "sources".  More than likely, that source is another hack making things up.  Hell, I could be a source.

I feel like CAR is the most complete team of the two, though that may change if CMC goes to HOU as part of a deal.

NOS is rebuilding, but they have a lot of pieces to like. Really good defense, some nice players on offense - TBD what happens to Kamara.

Maybe Watson goes to HOU & he & Kamara spend their 6-8 game suspensions together. Somewhere nice. But not too expensive.    

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Report: Texans declined Colts' attempt to speak with Deshaun Watson

There are literally Reddit bots slower than you. It’s almost frightening. 
 

 

[Tha Guru]

Certainly, this is better discussed in another thread, but how much can Thomas be relied on given that in the past 33 Saints games, he contributed 40 receptions for 438 yards and 0 TD?

Good point but at least he seems "all in" this offseason compared to his last 2 years of questionable comments.

 

[Capella]

I feel like CAR is the most complete team of the two, though that may change if CMC goes to HOU as part of a deal.

NOS is rebuilding, but they have a lot of pieces to like. Really good defense, some nice players on offense - TBD what happens to Kamara.

Maybe Watson goes to HOU & he & Kamara spend their 6-8 game suspensions together. Somewhere nice. But not too expensive.    

I believe Carolinas OL is bottom-5 in the league. That’s a major issue I’d guess. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I believe Carolinas OL is bottom-5 in the league. That’s a major issue I’d guess. 

Plus he'd have to beat out Sam Darnold.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I believe Carolinas OL is bottom-5 in the league. That’s a major issue I’d guess. 

True, and If they give up the house for Watson, it’s not gonna get better soon unless they have cap room to sign a bunch of FA. which Watson’s salary will hinder.

it’s a catch 22 for any team getting him. The trade & salary hamstrings them at least short-term. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Plus he'd have to beat out Sam Darnold.

Let’s just go ahead and tick that major hurdle off the list.  

 

[Buckna]

The Houston Texans will be irrelevant for 5-10 years with no franchise QB in sight. 

5-10 years is a long time. They will certainly be irrelevant the next few years unless Mills hits (unlikely) or more likely they are planning on sucking again this year for a shot at a franchise QB they haven’t already alienated in next year’s draft.

The Texans owner is clueless and his front office is a mess though. Many of us Texans fans are hoping they flame out and Easterby and his ilk get cleaned out in a few years (but not holding my breathe.) The GM Caserio may be good and was hired after all the BOB shenanigans so jury is still out there. He’s made many good moves so far slowly getting the cap back under control but also some questionable moves IMO like pointlessly signing a bunch of old, used up FA’s last year. Maybe they can hit on a new QB and some of these picks they will get for Watson and still fail and then the next regime will have more to work with. 

 

[Capella]

True, and If they give up the house for Watson, it’s not gonna get better soon unless they have cap room to sign a bunch of FA. which Watson’s salary will hinder.

it’s a catch 22 for any team getting him. The trade & salary hamstrings them at least short-term. 

Yea you need a great ecosystem around him, like when the Bucs signed Brady two years ago (even though he didn’t cost anything). I think the Browns could probably supply that, then the Saints.
 

I just don’t know about Carolina. Solid D, some decent offensive weapons, no o-line and a terrible coach. I’d put them 3 with a bullet right now. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Yea you need a great ecosystem around him, like when the Bucs signed Brady two years ago (even though he didn’t cost anything). I think the Browns could probably supply that, then the Saints.
 

I just don’t know about Carolina. Solid D, some decent offensive weapons, no o-line and a terrible coach. I’d put them 3 with a bullet right now. 

I still think it’s NOS. New Orleans is a party town, the Saints are beloved, they can handle the PR hit (being a black QB in New Orleans likely helps with that, too, but I don’t want to turn this into a sociopolitical topic) - lots of factors make NOS the landing spot.

That was my prediction when he was acquitted, and imma stick to it.

 

[massraider]

Falcons may have entered the chat

 

[massraider]

The Falcons have emerged as a sleeper team to acquire Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson, league sources tell @mortreport and me. The Falcons join the Panthers, Saints and Browns as teams that have met with, or are interested in, trading for Watson. More to come on ESPN. 

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1503758254077358080?t=ex4LFrA6mQGXApU86hGUkQ&s=19

 

[ghostguy123]

Falcons, lol

 

[massraider]

Falcons, lol

Then trade Ryan to Colts. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Falcons may have entered the chat

As a Pitts dynasty shareholder this does not upset me. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Falcons may have entered the chat

Also, 3-way bidding war in the NFC South. 

Wow. 

 

[massraider]

As a


Pitts


dynasty shareholder this does not upset me. 

Any fan with any recollection of ATL team operations last few years:

1. Hears of Falcons involvement

2. Runs to Spotrac to see Mat Ryan contract

3. Sees this number under DEAD CAP:  $55,525,000

4. Makes this face: 

 

[daveR]

Just curious why you think the Texans would get less than the Seahawks got (they also got three players back in addition to the picks you mentioned) Watson is 7 years younger and signed for 4 years. Wilson is signed for 2 years.

Trey Lance, who never played a down in the NFL, was acquired for three 1's and a 3.

Do you feel Watson's off-field stuff will reduce his return in a trade?

Oh, a bunch of things.  The current climate of the market after several slots have been filled.  The civil suits and possible suspension.  The fact that there has to an upper limit of some sorts.  And, mostly because that was not the primary point I was making.  

 

[Buckna]

 At a MINIMUM 3 #'1 and 2 #2's plus a little extra on top.  If it's any less then that it's because existing players of value are included.

Carolina doesn’t have a 2 or 3 this year so very curious what their offered package might look like since they are said to be in the running. Clearly the #6 is much more valuable than the Saints #18 so that factors in for sure.

 

[Anarchy99]

I call shenanigans on the Falcons. They have $16M in cap space. Trading or releasing Ryan now will cause them to take a $55M cap hit. That alone would prevent them from moving on from Ryan.

They might be able to get creative to bring on Watson and NOT move Ryan, but that seems like an insane of money tied up at the QB position. If they wait until after 6/1 to trade Ryan, they can split that cap hit between this year and next year, but that still would be eating a huge chunk of cap room.

 

[massraider]

Matt Ryan dead cap would be $27 mill this year, and $23 mill next year, according to some guys on Twitter.

 

[Gally]

As a Pitts dynasty shareholder this does not upset me. 

Pitts is in the package to get Watson...hahahaha  

 

[menobrown]

Carolina doesn’t have a 2 or 3 this year so very curious what their offered package might look like since they are said to be in the running. Clearly the #6 is much more valuable than the Saints #18 so that factors in for sure.

What I've heard some people say the Texans are saying the price is the price for Watson. What I take that to mean is these teams are working on some kind of trade value chart because as you point out not all first round picks are equal. I think we'll know before 3 PM EST tomorrow, finally.

 

[Anarchy99]

Matt Ryan dead cap would be $27 mill this year, and $23 mill next year, according to some guys on Twitter.

Spotrac has it at $27.9M this year and $27.6M next year AFTER 6/1. Before then, ATL would have to take that hit all this year ($55.5M).

 

[massraider]

Pitts is in the package to get Watson...hahahaha  

I would probably turn my phone off for a few days, seriously

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Pitts is in the package to get Watson...hahahaha  

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 
 

don’t you put that juju out there! 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I would probably turn my phone off for a few days, seriously

I would have no choice since it would likely shatter on impact. 

 

[massraider]

According to Ian Rappaport, he's meeting with ATL tomorrow.

 

[menobrown]

Matt Ryan dead cap would be $27 mill this year, and $23 mill next year, according to some guys on Twitter.

Over the cap puts it at $55M for this year if he's dealt before June 1. I think that is correct as that's the amount of bonus money he has left. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Carolina doesn’t have a 2 or 3 this year so very curious what their offered package might look like since they are said to be in the running. Clearly the #6 is much more valuable than the Saints #18 so that factors in for sure.

*cough* CMC *cough*

 

[Capella]

Also, 3-way bidding war in the NFC South. 

Wow. 

NFC South had two years of Tom Brady and said that’s enough. 

 

[massraider]

Carolina doesn’t have a 2 or 3 this year so very curious what their offered package might look like since they are said to be in the running. Clearly the #6 is much more valuable than the Saints #18 so that factors in for sure.

If I am CAR, I include McCaffrey, and hope HOU falls for it.

 

[bumpman]

I believe Carolinas OL is bottom-5 in the league. That’s a major issue I’d guess. 

They just signed Austin Corbett yesterday:

Link

 

[massraider]

Over/Under on number of free agent deals being held up by this deal? 15? 20?

 

[menobrown]

*cough* CMC *cough*

I'd guess if he ended up involved in the deal a third team is involved because he does not make much sense for the Texans other then trying to sell a ticket.