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Footballguy
It's my fault. I just picked him up last night 
I have a serious curse going on here this season.
I have a serious curse going on here this season.
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QB Drake Maye, NE (1 Viewer)
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Runkle
Footballguy
Game's in London, right? Probably just getting one there 'cause it's free. :rimshot:
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Why can’t we have nice things
Insein
Footballguy
I don't think he can wait the 18 months it takes to wait for it.
Game's in London, right? Probably just getting one there 'cause it's free. :rimshot:
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
Well, there were 3 very easy picks dropped by the Jags. And might have been more, but I did see 3 drops on interceptions and ugly drops. Still clean that up and he looked good.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Really good game and he was able to use garbage time to hit 20 FP. Some poor throws but he had good fortune.
You mean universal health care?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Only two QBs since the merger have 500+ Pass Yards and 5+ Pass TD through 2 career starts
- Dan Marino
- Drake Maye
Boston
Footballguy
Yup...the one and only bright spot...fortunately it is the most important thing in today's NFL so there is now a path (at least on paper)...outside of Maye things are heading south real fast...will be interesting to see if they end up making any coaching and/or front office changes after the season if it really gets ugly...would be tough for Kraft's ego to do it but he's not getting any younger either so who knows.
I bet they don't change anything with the coaching.
The biggest offensive weaknesses have been known for some time now: Offensive line, WRs. They have to attack this in the off season via FA and the draft. I do think that Maye's emergence could prove to be big in the acquistion of a top flight WR.
The defense is the big surprise. Sure, they've had some key injuries, but being run on 19 times in a row is a total trainwreck.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I would think a lot of people are on notice with regards to keeping their jobs. I know people will likely say I am being overly negative, but the offense ranks 30th in points and yardage, and the defense now has slipped to 25th in points and yards allowed. If we don't include the outcome of games against NE, opponents only have had a combined 15-26 record in their remaining games. The primary issues that existed before the season are still major concerns, but many other things have been added to the list (the defense is a big problem, the team seemingly is soft, the culture in the locker room, the recent inability to run the ball, etc.).
There's still a lot of football to be played, so it's hard to tell how things will end up. Maye has looked good so far, but they lost his two starts by an average of 18 points. Not saying that the losses were on him, but as a team, they appear to be going backwards. They only had 38 rushing yards against the Jags (who allowed 152 the week before against the Bears). They were under 100 rushing yards in 4 of the last 5 games. They are still averaging a net -100 yards per game.
Depending how things end up, I could see Wolf, Mayo, Van Pelt, and Covington all being on the hot seat. If the team has a worse record than last year, I am not sure all those coaches and administrators will be back. Even if Maye looks like he could be a solid QB, I still think the Pats will struggle to attract top free agents unless they severely overpay to get them / sign them to really bad contracts. I still am hearing the Pats will be all in on Tee Higgins, and he is their primary target acquisition for the off season. I sure hope they don't give him something silly like 4/$140M.
Boston
Footballguy
Agree with most of this although I hope the decision is not based on the record because they were not going to have a good record this year regardless of who was coaching...I am more concerned with are they heading in the direction and with the exception of Maye it does not appear to be the case...right now the coaching staff appears to be overmatched and winging it from week-to-week...it is only week 7 and I don't know how they will stop the bleeding because I don't see the answer coming from the coaching and the roster sure as hell isn't going to bail them out...if they are in-fact losing the locker-room it has a chance to get really ugly since there is still 10 games to play...on the front office side of things while Maye seems to be an excellent pick the rest of the draft is not overly encouraging as Polk is struggling mightily, Baker looks like a luxury pick at #4 that they could not afford, Wallace is out but he didn't look like anything too special and outside of Layden Robinson there are no signs of life from the other picks...it is still very early but in the situation they are in they may not have the luxury to wait around and give Wolf another year because with the exception of Maye (which was a pretty easy pick in the big scheme of things) the front office has not earned any faith that they can get out of the hole they are in.
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VikingFrog
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
yeah, they should have tweeted first two games or qualified it was for rookie years
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Fixed it.
Only two QBs since the merger have 500+ Pass Yards and 5+ Pass TD through 2 career starts and also didn’t work in a grocery store.
- Dan Marino
- Drake Maye
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Pietaster2
Footballguy
Delayed reaction, but I guess that makes sense when the bar before these two were the likes of Tom Brady and Drew Bledsoe who stood back in the pocket tall and immobile like a statue of Abraham Lincoln.x.com
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greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
He's super controlled emotionally. That's a great characteristic for a young QB.
He's like a diet coke blend of Herbert and Allen. Very fluid and natural as a runner but smaller than Allen. Has the dead eyes of Herbert and early Brady. TBD if the right mix of hero ball is there. Too much and there will be turnovers. He seems to be able to throw on the run pretty well, very athletic. Everyone said he'd be raw with his footwork but that's probably because he's so dynamic on his feet that he's been able to operate effectively for years. It's hard to know if he's picked it up but he seems to be really focused on improving so it's not stunning that he's made some strides.
He's surely going through a lot but he's not really showing it. That's a kid that can handle a lot of responsibility which is in the job description. Or he's a robot.
If he can take big strides toward being a plus pocket quarterback with his arm and mobility, he's going to be an actual good QB. It's been a while. We don't deserve another all timer but that would be pretty sweet.
He's like a diet coke blend of Herbert and Allen. Very fluid and natural as a runner but smaller than Allen. Has the dead eyes of Herbert and early Brady. TBD if the right mix of hero ball is there. Too much and there will be turnovers. He seems to be able to throw on the run pretty well, very athletic. Everyone said he'd be raw with his footwork but that's probably because he's so dynamic on his feet that he's been able to operate effectively for years. It's hard to know if he's picked it up but he seems to be really focused on improving so it's not stunning that he's made some strides.
He's surely going through a lot but he's not really showing it. That's a kid that can handle a lot of responsibility which is in the job description. Or he's a robot.
If he can take big strides toward being a plus pocket quarterback with his arm and mobility, he's going to be an actual good QB. It's been a while. We don't deserve another all timer but that would be pretty sweet.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I think he's a fine play, and with running QBs, I don't factor in matchups very much.
Bears are a bad matchup, but so was TEN (and NYJ where he was good until he got hurt).
Unlike most waiver wire types, he doesn't need a shootout for good fantasy games.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Starting Drake with confidence
Not that I have much option with Love on Bye & TLaw hurt. No faith in FA Cooper Rush vs Philly/ might see Trey Lance appear too
Chi is missing several secondary players and the DL is susceptible to running QBs
See Jayden Daniel’s effort
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
And an o-line.
Honestly, if they get ONE legit X WR I think it will make a huge difference.
And I've got to think that unlike this past year, there will be FA WRs who will actually now WANT to come to NE and hook up with this kid.
And yes, an O line too.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not so sure about how many established WRs would want to come to NE. 1) It could take too long for the Pats to become competitive. Put another way, would a guy near 30 want to finish out his career on what could easily be a mediocre team for several more years? 2) Any big-name free agent will have plenty of suitors (and a better chance at a ring). There likely will be better destinations regardless of competitiveness (weather, state taxes, nightlife, etc.) that may make other teams more attractive. 3) I still think NE will have to dig deep and weep and really overpay for someone to come to town. I expect that will be for a second-tier WR (which would be better than they have now) . . . and that could end up being a really silly decision at some point. 4) Not sure offensive skill guys will want to play for Van Pelt. There will be hipper, more creative, more exciting guys to play for than him. But I agree there is more hope that someone may want to come here . . . just not sure that guy will pull the trigger when their record is still terrible. I think they will have to already be over .500 and a playoff contender for guys to give them a legit look.
Well, here's to hoping that they get rid of this coaching crew and convince Ben Johnson to come on over.
I don't know...Maye is impressing. That and a big bag of money could be enough.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The issue I see is that they won't want to give up on Mayo after one season. Johnson isn't going anywhere to be an OC again, so I expect someone will snag him as a head coach. Maybe they can find a successful college OC to come to NE. Hopefully NE will be more of a draw than the past few off seasons. There are a lot of guys on staff that I would question their long-term viability . . . but not sure they want to clean house again after just cleaning house.
Ben Johnson as HC, Mayo is co-HC but focuses on defense. Get guys like DJ Moore and Metcalf and focus on O-line in the draft. Pretty fing simple, Bobby K.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Instead of bringing in a big name WR, I'd spend money/resources on OL.
Great WRs aren't the key to developing a young QB (remember when everybody thought Caleb Williams was coming into the most perfect situation ever for a young quarterback).
Brady won 3 Super Bowls before getting a WR that anybody had ever heard of.
Keep him upright and make sure he has a solid/consistent coaching staff.
Great WRs aren't the key to developing a young QB (remember when everybody thought Caleb Williams was coming into the most perfect situation ever for a young quarterback).
Brady won 3 Super Bowls before getting a WR that anybody had ever heard of.
Keep him upright and make sure he has a solid/consistent coaching staff.
-OZ-
Footballguy
give a QB time and if they’re competent they’ll find a receiver to catch the ball. Don’t give him time and you get Caleb.
Boston
Footballguy
How dare you say that about David Givens...
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Every team tries to solidify their OL, but it's not as easy as it sounds. The Patriots have been trying to make improvements to their line for several years now. Here's a list of the moves they've made at OL in the past 5-6 years (not counting guys they added to their practice squad and cut a week later). I am not suggesting that these were shrewd moves or great pickups. But in that time, they have churned through nearly 40 offensive linemen. They have consistently looked to find someone that could contribute, and the huge majority of these guys were nothing more than blips on the radar.
Drafted:
T Caeden Wallace - 2024 Pick 68, G Layden Robinson - 2024 Pick 103, C Jake Andrews - 2023 Pick 107
G Sidy Sow - 2023 Pick 117, G Atonio Mafi - 2023 Pick 144, G Cole Strange - 2022 Pick 29
G Chasen Hines - 2022 Pick 210, T Andrew Steuber - 2022 Pick 245
G Will Sherman - 2021 Pick 197
G Michael Onwenu - 2020 Pick 182, T Justin Herron - 2020 Pick 195, C Dustin Woodard - 2020 Pick 230
T Yodny Cajuste - 2019 Pick 101, G Hjalte Froholdt - 2019 Pick 118
G Isaiah Wynn - 2018 Pick 29
Signed:
G Tyrese Robinson, C Lecitus Smith, T Zachary Thomas, G Nick Leverett, C Ben Brown, G Michael Jordan, T Chukwuma Okorafor, T Caleb Jones, T Demontrey Jacobs, G Liam Fornadel, C Ted Karras, T Marcus Cannon, T Marshall Newhouse, G Marcus Martin, T Conor McDermott, G Bill Murray, T Calvin Anderson
Traded for:
T Jermaine Eluemunor, T Korey Cunningham, G Yasir Durant, T Trent Brown, T Vederian Lowe, T Riley Reiff, T Tyrone Wheatley
So sure, I'd love it if NE could nail down some top tier talent on their OL. The problem is, they haven't been very good at achieving that. Their big offseason OL re-signing was Onwenu, who they gave a 3/$57M deal. But Onwenu currently ranks in the below average/average range by PFF. I agree that giving Maye a strong coaching staff to work with would be a huge boost . . . but I am not sure this staff is all that great.
Boston
Footballguy
Two things...if they had drafted better first round picks like Strange and Wynn would be in their prime and part of a rock-solid O-line...whiffing on Wynn and vastly over-drafting Strange has really hurt them...the other big issue is they really have not adjusted to Dante Scarnecchia retiring...Scar was one of the best O-line coaches in NFL history and was basically able to turn water into wine during the BB/Brady years...those days are over and they need to add some more legit talent (or better O line coaching) to this unit instead of thinking they can turn mid-round picks into the next Joe Thuney or Dan Koppen.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
No doubt the Pats have not had the same success with their OL since Dante left. They haven't drafted O linemen well since then either. Using Career AV (admittedly not the best metric), here is a list of the best producing OL pick (to date) from that draft class.
2023 - Anton Harrison (5th lineman picked)
2022 - Tyler Smith (7)
2021 - Penei Sewell (1)
2020 - Tristan Wirfs (4)
2019 - Elgton Jenkins (11)
2018 - Quentin Nelson (1)
2017 - Ryan Ramczyk (2)
2016 - Joe Thuney (13)
2015 - Brandon Sherff (1)
2014 - Zack Martin (4)
And going the other direction, here's who the top OL pick was each year and where that player ranks among OL picks:
2023 - Paris Johnson (2nd ranked OL in Career AV so far)
2022 - Ikem Ekwonu (7)
2021 - Penei Sewell (1)
2020 - Andrew Thomas (2)
2019 - Jonah Williams (5)
2018 - Quentin Nelson (1)
2017 - Garrett Bolles (3)
2016 - Ronnie Staley (4)
2015 - Brandn Scherff (1)
2014 - Greg Robinson (21)
The first offensive lineman off the draft board in recent drafts has, for the most part, been a steady contributor (except for Greg Robinson). If NE ends up in position to take the first lineman of the draft, hopefully they pull the trigger (as it's harder to muck up the pick). My fear is they go for a WR or CB (or whomever else they fall in love with). They need line help the most . . . no need to get cute. Just take the top-rated lineman of the draft class.
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed…O line is by far the #1 priority…WR is second but they have to address the line first…getting a top tackle in the draft is the way to go unless they can fill the O-line holes thru free agency and/or trades…overall the main focus of this off-season has to be upgrading the offense…for as bad as things are the fact that Maye looks like the real deal means there is now a path forward and they need to do everything possible to make sure you surround him with as much talent as possible…with the cap space and early draft position they have there should be no excuses.
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