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QB J.J. McCarthy, MIN (1 Viewer)

As I mentioned a few pages back, Wentz is gonna have the Steelers + Browns after this game and both are at home. So, he’s likely going to be 3-0.

Browns are tough. Steelers are a paper tiger 2-1.

It is very possible they go 3-0.
Vikings looked hopeless against Atlanta, who just got drilled by Carolina 30-0. A lot of good things came together yesterday to make that 48-10 score what it was, but I’m still not super confident we can sustain it
 
As I mentioned a few pages back, Wentz is gonna have the Steelers + Browns after this game and both are at home. So, he’s likely going to be 3-0.

Browns are tough. Steelers are a paper tiger 2-1.

It is very possible they go 3-0.
Vikings looked hopeless against Atlanta, who just got drilled by Carolina 30-0. A lot of good things came together yesterday to make that 48-10 score what it was, but I’m still not super confident we can sustain it

Yeah. I was cautioning our friend that the Browns are going to be a freaking slog. I do not have the Vikings winning that game and didn’t.

The Steelers are paper tigers, but if Watt/Highsmith/Herbig/Sawyer get going then that paper can turn feral in a minute.

I was really telling the OP that 3-0 with Wentz seems unlikely. I was just saying it nicely.
 
As I mentioned a few pages back, Wentz is gonna have the Steelers + Browns after this game and both are at home. So, he’s likely going to be 3-0.

McCarthy is projected to come back during a brutal stretch in their schedule (Eagles, Chargers, Lions, Ravens). Even if they hand him back the reins, there will be a lot of pressure on him to perform...
Not sure I would call playing in Dublin & London home games
 
As I mentioned a few pages back, Wentz is gonna have the Steelers + Browns after this game and both are at home. So, he’s likely going to be 3-0.

McCarthy is projected to come back during a brutal stretch in their schedule (Eagles, Chargers, Lions, Ravens). Even if they hand him back the reins, there will be a lot of pressure on him to perform...
I'll ask the question, what does it matter who the Vikings face? They just ripped the Bengals 50-3 at home, they're a lot more than just a. QB
I understand they might not want to expose JJ but at the same time they knew the schedule and how it was set up, it's not a surprise if he's ready to play and they can legit start him at QB

Wentz was not the reason they scored so many points, he only threw 20 passes, 170 yds from the box I looked at.
If JJMc is healthy then they must start him otherwise you have a QB controversy and they don't want that.
If JJMc starts in a couple weeks and he looks terrible the 1st Half, much easier to bring Wentz in relief of him and then decide what you want to do on a more week to week basis
At some point, the training wheels have to come off fully
 
As I mentioned a few pages back, Wentz is gonna have the Steelers + Browns after this game and both are at home. So, he’s likely going to be 3-0.

Browns are tough. Steelers are a paper tiger 2-1.

It is very possible they go 3-0.
Vikings looked hopeless against Atlanta, who just got drilled by Carolina 30-0. A lot of good things came together yesterday to make that 48-10 score what it was, but I’m still not super confident we can sustain it

Yeah. I was cautioning our friend that the Browns are going to be a freaking slog. I do not have the Vikings winning that game and didn’t.

The Steelers are paper tigers, but if Watt/Highsmith/Herbig/Sawyer get going then that paper can turn feral in a minute.

I was really telling the OP that 3-0 with Wentz seems unlikely. I was just saying it nicely.
Can't go 3-0 if you don't go 1-0
 
As I mentioned a few pages back, Wentz is gonna have the Steelers + Browns after this game and both are at home. So, he’s likely going to be 3-0.

Browns are tough. Steelers are a paper tiger 2-1.

It is very possible they go 3-0.
Vikings looked hopeless against Atlanta, who just got drilled by Carolina 30-0. A lot of good things came together yesterday to make that 48-10 score what it was, but I’m still not super confident we can sustain it
I don't want to go too far off the ledge with you but yes I'll join you in agreement that the Vikings might not be able to sustain getting ahead 50-3 vs some of their future opponents :wink:
 
As I mentioned a few pages back, Wentz is gonna have the Steelers + Browns after this game and both are at home. So, he’s likely going to be 3-0.

McCarthy is projected to come back during a brutal stretch in their schedule (Eagles, Chargers, Lions, Ravens). Even if they hand him back the reins, there will be a lot of pressure on him to perform...
I'll ask the question, what does it matter who the Vikings face? They just ripped the Bengals 50-3 at home, they're a lot more than just a. QB
If JJMc starts in a couple weeks and he looks terrible the 1st Half, much easier to bring Wentz in relief of him and then decide what you want to do on a more week to week basis
At some point, the training wheels have to come off fully
If the offense is performing well and the team is winning under Wentz but not McCarthy, then that’s a problem. Moreover, that’s more likely to happen if Wentz is playing bad teams, whereas McCarthy is playing good teams.

You basically answered your question later on when you said that it would make the decision to bench McCarthy a lot easier. Indeed, that was the entire point of my post.
 
As I mentioned a few pages back, Wentz is gonna have the Steelers + Browns after this game and both are at home. So, he’s likely going to be 3-0.

McCarthy is projected to come back during a brutal stretch in their schedule (Eagles, Chargers, Lions, Ravens). Even if they hand him back the reins, there will be a lot of pressure on him to perform...
I'll ask the question, what does it matter who the Vikings face? They just ripped the Bengals 50-3 at home, they're a lot more than just a. QB
If JJMc starts in a couple weeks and he looks terrible the 1st Half, much easier to bring Wentz in relief of him and then decide what you want to do on a more week to week basis
At some point, the training wheels have to come off fully
If the offense is performing well and the team is winning under Wentz but not McCarthy, then that’s a problem. Moreover, that’s more likely to happen if Wentz is playing bad teams, whereas McCarthy is playing good teams.

You basically answered your question later on when you said that it would make the decision to bench McCarthy a lot easier. Indeed, that was the entire point of my post.
I think I understand your POV but to be clear I would not take JJMc out just to avoid a gun fight, otherwise why do the Vikes have him at all as their starting QB?
They will do some serious phychologiical damage if they convey to him they only want him to start vs the easier teams in the NFL, that's not a good plan

As soon as McCarthy is healthy they have to start him, otherwise it's back to the Draft and maybe you feel that way already but I need to see a lot more of JJMc
He was one fo the QBs in last year's draft class that I had reservations about, just didn't feel he was a huge difference maker for the Wolverines when they won the title
It wasn't as bad as when the Colts took ARich #4 overall, just IMHO JJ was not on the same level as some going in the 1st round

You can't be afraid of the opposition or avoid a confrontation, either he can play Quarterback in the NFL or he can't
 
As I mentioned a few pages back, Wentz is gonna have the Steelers + Browns after this game and both are at home. So, he’s likely going to be 3-0.

McCarthy is projected to come back during a brutal stretch in their schedule (Eagles, Chargers, Lions, Ravens). Even if they hand him back the reins, there will be a lot of pressure on him to perform...
I'll ask the question, what does it matter who the Vikings face? They just ripped the Bengals 50-3 at home, they're a lot more than just a. QB
If JJMc starts in a couple weeks and he looks terrible the 1st Half, much easier to bring Wentz in relief of him and then decide what you want to do on a more week to week basis
At some point, the training wheels have to come off fully
If the offense is performing well and the team is winning under Wentz but not McCarthy, then that’s a problem. Moreover, that’s more likely to happen if Wentz is playing bad teams, whereas McCarthy is playing good teams.

You basically answered your question later on when you said that it would make the decision to bench McCarthy a lot easier. Indeed, that was the entire point of my post.
I think I understand your POV but to be clear I would not take JJMc out just to avoid a gun fight, otherwise why do the Vikes have him at all as their starting QB?
They will do some serious phychologiical damage if they convey to him they only want him to start vs the easier teams in the NFL, that's not a good plan

As soon as McCarthy is healthy they have to start him, otherwise it's back to the Draft and maybe you feel that way already but I need to see a lot more of JJMc
He was one fo the QBs in last year's draft class that I had reservations about, just didn't feel he was a huge difference maker for the Wolverines when they won the title
It wasn't as bad as when the Colts took ARich #4 overall, just IMHO JJ was not on the same level as some going in the 1st round

You can't be afraid of the opposition or avoid a confrontation, either he can play Quarterback in the NFL or he can't
I agree with you. It’s way too soon to give up on McCarthy and a QB controversy carries long-term developmental risk.

But people are imprudent and the media likes to stir the pot. I mean, we already had pundits and fans saying that he was benched with a phantom injury, and now they’re pointing at yesterday’s win. This will only get worse if McCarthy struggles when he returns (presumably against the Eagles after the bye).
 
As I mentioned a few pages back, Wentz is gonna have the Steelers + Browns after this game and both are at home. So, he’s likely going to be 3-0.

McCarthy is projected to come back during a brutal stretch in their schedule (Eagles, Chargers, Lions, Ravens). Even if they hand him back the reins, there will be a lot of pressure on him to perform...
I'll ask the question, what does it matter who the Vikings face? They just ripped the Bengals 50-3 at home, they're a lot more than just a. QB
If JJMc starts in a couple weeks and he looks terrible the 1st Half, much easier to bring Wentz in relief of him and then decide what you want to do on a more week to week basis
At some point, the training wheels have to come off fully
If the offense is performing well and the team is winning under Wentz but not McCarthy, then that’s a problem. Moreover, that’s more likely to happen if Wentz is playing bad teams, whereas McCarthy is playing good teams.

You basically answered your question later on when you said that it would make the decision to bench McCarthy a lot easier. Indeed, that was the entire point of my post.
I think I understand your POV but to be clear I would not take JJMc out just to avoid a gun fight, otherwise why do the Vikes have him at all as their starting QB?
They will do some serious phychologiical damage if they convey to him they only want him to start vs the easier teams in the NFL, that's not a good plan

As soon as McCarthy is healthy they have to start him, otherwise it's back to the Draft and maybe you feel that way already but I need to see a lot more of JJMc
He was one fo the QBs in last year's draft class that I had reservations about, just didn't feel he was a huge difference maker for the Wolverines when they won the title
It wasn't as bad as when the Colts took ARich #4 overall, just IMHO JJ was not on the same level as some going in the 1st round

You can't be afraid of the opposition or avoid a confrontation, either he can play Quarterback in the NFL or he can't
I agree with you. It’s way too soon to give up on McCarthy and a QB controversy carries long-term developmental risk.

But people are imprudent and the media likes to stir the pot. I mean, we already had pundits and fans saying that he was benched with a phantom injury, and now they’re pointing at yesterday’s win. This will only get worse if McCarthy struggles when he returns (presumably against the Eagles after the bye).

In my opinion, I don’t see a world where he doesn’t struggle terribly. I know you all have been arguing but he was in the bottom five (and mostly bottom two or three) of a whole host of measurements. We can debate the day long about why. I don’t expect it to change drastically.

Your question has been raised by at least two reasonably non-sensationalist media outlets. In fact, the only way I don’t see a QB controversy would be because the Steelers and Browns might take those utterly weird flashes Wentz had two or three times Sunday and turn them into a pummeling of both body and game score. Because McCarthy looked green as Anne’s Gables.

Anyway, we won’t know until then, so we can watch with a keen eye on it. But the press was saying things about Minnesota like, “Wentz didn’t get in the way of the defense,” which sounds an awful lot like the 2023 Jets with you-know-who trying to make what was built on the other side of the ball work. Once you hear words like that, the toothpaste ain’t going back in that tube. It’s a good thing MN seems to be on the same page as an organization and competent because it tore through a crappy Jets hierarchy like a violent sci-fi robot from the future (with spikes!).
 

This isn't being reported correctly. They never asked him directly. It was very passive-aggressive because they didn't want to go there. It was awfully phrased.

I linked right to the exact spot of the press conference right here.


"So when JJ is healthier, are you 100% committed that he's going to be back?"

That doesn't actually ask anything. You get nothing. What the heck is that? Are you "100% committted" to him starting? Being on the team? On the 53-man roster? Getting the starting QB coffee? What on earth is "back"? What you get is KOC speaking about whatever the heck he wants. You've gotta read tea leaves again.

O'Connell answers and begins with, "Yeah, I think the first and foremost, he's gotta get healthy."

He does go on to say that he will not come back without a full week of prep. He praises Wentz's lower body, which is a problem with McCarthy by all accounts. He praises Wentz's knowledge of the defense and says he's a "point guard" and that he gets Justin Jefferson in single coverage, etc.

So who knows? Nobody asked him.

Dude, you know what? How many articles are the guys at ESPN supposed to write a day? That took me twenty minutes. That's it. If it took this scribe any more than two hours, ESPN is getting overbilled and they're not even getting accurate information. Man, you want something done these days . . .

I never thought that old saw would come out of my mouth.
 
New Question Mark Headlines for this week:

Is Carson Wentz in danger of losing his backup job?!?

Can JJ McCarthy come back soon enough to save the Vikings season?

Did every McCarthy injury truther undergo a lobotomy, or just some of them?
:tinfoilhat:
 
New Question Mark Headlines for this week:

Is Carson Wentz in danger of losing his backup job?!?

Can JJ McCarthy come back soon enough to save the Vikings season?

Did every McCarthy injury truther undergo a lobotomy, or just some of them?
:tinfoilhat:
Is that the take away?
 
Carson Wentz looked terrible but still threw for more yards in one game than McCarthy has in his career. :shrug:
Can't argue with this logic people.

I think Wentz also has more career TDs than McCarthy.

Like, a LOT more
If you own Jefferson, Addison et al, you’re praying that Wentz keeps the starting gig. Unfortunately, it doesn’t looks like that’s gonna happen.
 
Carson Wentz looked terrible but still threw for more yards in one game than McCarthy has in his career. :shrug:
Nominated: most disingenuous take in forum history.
I took it as a joke but I could be wrong.
He was pointing out that McCarthy had 301 yards in two starts, whereas Wentz just put up 350. From a purely fantasy perspective, who do you want throwing to your players? Redraft, of course.
 
Carson Wentz looked terrible but still threw for more yards in one game than McCarthy has in his career. :shrug:
Nominated: most disingenuous take in forum history.
I took it as a joke but I could be wrong.
He was pointing out that McCarthy had 301 yards in two starts, whereas Wentz just put up 350. From a purely fantasy perspective, who do you want throwing to your players? Redraft, of course.
Had he said "in one game" versus "in two games" I would have taken it as pointing out a fact. But phrasing it as versus "his career" made it seem like it was trying to be comical. But some of both is also possible.
 
I’m absolutely being serious when I said that Wentz is likely better for fantasy purposes. Go back a few pages and read rockaction’s scouting report on McCarthy. The kid isn’t ready and thus he’s a liability to Minny’s skill players.
 
Carson Wentz looked terrible but still threw for more yards in one game than McCarthy has in his career. :shrug:
Can't argue with this logic people.

I think Wentz also has more career TDs than McCarthy.

Like, a LOT more
If you own Jefferson, Addison et al, you’re praying that Wentz keeps the starting gig. Unfortunately, it doesn’t looks like that’s gonna happen.
I dunno - with the OL getting a little healthier I think JJM is plenty capable of getting the ball to those guys.
 
I’m absolutely being serious when I said that Wentz is likely better for fantasy purposes
Who cares.

No one was arguing against that, which is certainly a valid short term argument.

It was the genius take that the Vikings were going to secretly bench JJ behind a trumped up injury, to let Wentz take over.
Does Wentz get to play CIN every week?
 
Carson Wentz looked terrible but still threw for more yards in one game than McCarthy has in his career. :shrug:
Can't argue with this logic people.

I think Wentz also has more career TDs than McCarthy.

Like, a LOT more
If you own Jefferson, Addison et al, you’re praying that Wentz keeps the starting gig. Unfortunately, it doesn’t looks like that’s gonna happen.
I dunno - with the OL getting a little healthier I think JJM is plenty capable of getting the ball to those guys.
What are we basing this on? Did you see something from his first two games that suggested he’s ready to support a WR1 in Jefferson, a WR2 in Addison, and a TE1 in Hockenson? Or, are we just going off his pedigree?
 
I’m absolutely being serious when I said that Wentz is likely better for fantasy purposes
Who cares.

No one was arguing against that, which is certainly a valid short term argument.

It was the genius take that the Vikings were going to secretly bench JJ behind a trumped up injury, to let Wentz take over.
Does Wentz get to play CIN every week?
I see. Well, there were a few people who were pushing the phantom injury conspiracy. I wasn’t one of them.
 
Carson Wentz looked terrible but still threw for more yards in one game than McCarthy has in his career. :shrug:
Can't argue with this logic people.

I think Wentz also has more career TDs than McCarthy.

Like, a LOT more
If you own Jefferson, Addison et al, you’re praying that Wentz keeps the starting gig. Unfortunately, it doesn’t looks like that’s gonna happen.
I dunno - with the OL getting a little healthier I think JJM is plenty capable of getting the ball to those guys.
What are we basing this on? Did you see something from his first two games that suggested he’s ready to support a WR1 in Jefferson, a WR2 in Addison, and a TE1 in Hockenson? Or, are we just going off his pedigree?
I did see something in those games. It was JJM throwing the football to JJ, and also engineering a huge comeback win with a horrific OL.

Addison wasn’t playing yet, nor was their best OL, so… I also saw him throwing a pretty deep ball in the preseason last year.

Did you not see those games?
 
Carson Wentz looked terrible but still threw for more yards in one game than McCarthy has in his career. :shrug:
Can't argue with this logic people.

I think Wentz also has more career TDs than McCarthy.

Like, a LOT more
If you own Jefferson, Addison et al, you’re praying that Wentz keeps the starting gig. Unfortunately, it doesn’t looks like that’s gonna happen.
I dunno - with the OL getting a little healthier I think JJM is plenty capable of getting the ball to those guys.
What are we basing this on? Did you see something from his first two games that suggested he’s ready to support a WR1 in Jefferson, a WR2 in Addison, and a TE1 in Hockenson? Or, are we just going off his pedigree?
I did see something in those games. It was JJM throwing the football to JJ, and also engineering a huge comeback win with a horrific OL.

Addison wasn’t playing yet, nor was their best OL, so… I also saw him throwing a pretty deep ball in the preseason last year.

Did you not see those games?
Nope on the 2024 preseason games, and yep on the ones from the 2025 regular season. Regarding the latter, I saw nada from him that made me feel good about my Jefferson and Hockenson shares.

So, if you’re wondering why I’m so negative here, it’s because I’m afraid my 1st and 8th round picks are screwed. I regret those picks. I should’ve done my due diligence instead of listening to the fantasy experts. Indeed, I bought into the hype that McCarthy was gonna light it up. But now, I think he’s gonna be a game manager type this season, at best.
 
But now, I think he’s gonna be a game manager type this season, at best.
With that OL I don’t think it matters who the QB is. But I do think the sample size is way too small to make these sort of sweeping conclusions.

I saw a lot of arm talent. IMO he’s more accurate than Wentz. But time will tell.
 
He is essentially a rookie but he isn't which does make me nervous for him. I think fans will have higher expectations just because it is year 2 but also because of how well Darnold did. It creates this perception that any QB can step in and throw 30+ TDs in this offense and if he struggles with typical rookie growing pains, the rumblings that Vikings messed up choosing him over Darnold are going to start.

lol I rewrote my post so I agree.. my real flag plant is he stinks overall and lost a development year. The line and the coach may offer some lift but not as much as he is an anchor
Agree. Don't even think he is the starter for long.
Oh gosh please tell you aren't thee poster who thinks that one random NFL journeyman is about to be the Vikings savior
Book it.
I mean...
 
I mean...
You never predicted he’d get hurt. The second he started the 1st game of the season you were wrong. Sit down.
Nope. You're wrong here.
Nope. You’re wrong here.
Sorry about your JJ luck. He's not very good.
Sorry you were wrong about JJ not starting the year. You’re not very good.
Said he wouldn't be starting for long. And was right.

Sorry you thought JJ was good. Bad take.
 
I mean...
You never predicted he’d get hurt. The second he started the 1st game of the season you were wrong. Sit down.
Nope. You're wrong here.
Nope. You’re wrong here.
Sorry about your JJ luck. He's not very good.
Sorry you were wrong about JJ not starting the year. You’re not very good.
Said he wouldn't be starting for long. And was right.

Sorry you thought JJ was good. Bad take.
Just take the L buddy. You said he wouldn’t be their starter. He was their starter. Bad take.
 
I mean...
You never predicted he’d get hurt. The second he started the 1st game of the season you were wrong. Sit down.
Nope. You're wrong here.
Nope. You’re wrong here.
Sorry about your JJ luck. He's not very good.
Sorry you were wrong about JJ not starting the year. You’re not very good.
Said he wouldn't be starting for long. And was right.

Sorry you thought JJ was good. Bad take.
Just take the L buddy. You said he wouldn’t be their starter. He was their starter. Bad take.
Brett would have won the job easily had they not let him go find a better situation for himself.

Enjoy your day, it will get better :)
 
I mean...
You never predicted he’d get hurt. The second he started the 1st game of the season you were wrong. Sit down.
Nope. You're wrong here.
Nope. You’re wrong here.
Sorry about your JJ luck. He's not very good.
Sorry you were wrong about JJ not starting the year. You’re not very good.
Said he wouldn't be starting for long. And was right.

Sorry you thought JJ was good. Bad take.
Just take the L buddy. You said he wouldn’t be their starter. He was their starter. Bad take.
Brett would have won the job easily had they not let him go find a better situation for himself.

Enjoy your day, it will get better :)
Seriously? If "will not be the starter for long" is the prop, then the answer should be "not determined yet". You're neither right nor wrong yet. I mean sure if you meant he will soon be literally not starting a game then yes, but that's almost never what someone means when they say a player is "the starter".
 
I mean...
You never predicted he’d get hurt. The second he started the 1st game of the season you were wrong. Sit down.
Nope. You're wrong here.
Nope. You’re wrong here.
Sorry about your JJ luck. He's not very good.
Sorry you were wrong about JJ not starting the year. You’re not very good.
Said he wouldn't be starting for long. And was right.

Sorry you thought JJ was good. Bad take.
Just take the L buddy. You said he wouldn’t be their starter. He was their starter. Bad take.
Brett would have won the job easily had they not let him go find a better situation for himself.

Enjoy your day, it will get better :)
Seriously? If "will not be the starter for long" is the prop, then the answer should be "not determined yet". You're neither right nor wrong yet. I mean sure if you meant he will soon be literally not starting a game then yes, but that's almost never what someone means when they say a player is "the starter".
It’s a schtick. The sooner you accept that it’s a schtick, the less frustrated you’ll be with their nonsensical goalpost moving takes.
 

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