QB J.J. McCarthy, MIN (1 Viewer)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

what people thought: Would the Vikings hand the keys back to McCarthy, given how bad he’s been thus far?

Yes they will. He is their future and needs as much time on the field as he can get.

Well, that sucks for us Jefferson owners and anyone with other shares in this passing game.

Watching the past two games, I have little confidence McCarthy can support high-end WR1 production. Ditto for Hockenson’s TE1 and Addison’s WR2 prospects.

You should be more concerned about the OL.

That’s fair. But, decent QBs can and do produce with suspect offensive line play. Stafford and Rodgers were drafted way after McCarthy. Do we think they’d be this bad? We could throw other names in there too. So, when you put the onus on the OL, you’re also saying something about your valuation of McCarthy.

No, actually I’m not. I’m putting the onus on MIN missing 3 of their best OL.

You’re putting on JJM.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

It's likely that he's benched for performance, and everyone is lying about his injury, cause some rando suggested it?

Come on

Why are ppl so mad about this suggestion. Pretty weird, ngl.

It’s because we are all in on it, and don’t want you whistleblowing. It seems the most likely explanation.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It's likely that he's benched for performance, and everyone is lying about his injury, cause some rando suggested it?

Come on

Why are ppl so mad about this suggestion. Pretty weird, ngl.

It’s because we are all in on it, and don’t want you whistleblowing. It seems the most likely explanation.

Dammit you were supposed to keep quiet about that! I’ve been informed that your payola has been cancelled. Way to go.

 

[bolzano]

what people thought: Would the Vikings hand the keys back to McCarthy, given how bad he’s been thus far?

Yes they will. He is their future and needs as much time on the field as he can get.

Well, that sucks for us Jefferson owners and anyone with other shares in this passing game.

Watching the past two games, I have little confidence McCarthy can support high-end WR1 production. Ditto for Hockenson’s TE1 and Addison’s WR2 prospects.

You should be more concerned about the OL.

That’s fair. But, decent QBs can and do produce with suspect offensive line play. Stafford and Rodgers were drafted way after McCarthy. Do we think they’d be this bad? We could throw other names in there too. So, when you put the onus on the OL, you’re also saying something about your valuation of McCarthy.

No, actually I’m not. I’m putting the onus on MIN missing 3 of their best OL.

You’re putting on JJM.

I’ve read your other posts, so I know you’re pretty sharp. Please stop trying to pigeonhole me into a particular camp. I never said that McCarthy is solely to blame. I’m taking the middle stance.

There are myriad factors at play in this equation, with the output being that McCarthy isn’t producing. One of them is that the offensive line sucks and another is that McCarthy may not be very good right now. The thing that bothers me and folks like mjb03003 is that McCarthy fanboys dismiss that out of hand.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

what people thought: Would the Vikings hand the keys back to McCarthy, given how bad he’s been thus far?

Yes they will. He is their future and needs as much time on the field as he can get.

Well, that sucks for us Jefferson owners and anyone with other shares in this passing game.

Watching the past two games, I have little confidence McCarthy can support high-end WR1 production. Ditto for Hockenson’s TE1 and Addison’s WR2 prospects.

You should be more concerned about the OL.

That’s fair. But, decent QBs can and do produce with suspect offensive line play. Stafford and Rodgers were drafted way after McCarthy. Do we think they’d be this bad? We could throw other names in there too. So, when you put the onus on the OL, you’re also saying something about your valuation of McCarthy.

No, actually I’m not. I’m putting the onus on MIN missing 3 of their best OL.

You’re putting on JJM.

I’ve read your other posts, so I know you’re pretty sharp. Please stop trying to pigeonhole me into a particular camp. I never said that McCarthy is solely to blame. I’m taking the middle stance.

There are myriad factors at play in this equation, with the output being that McCarthy isn’t producing. One of them is that the offensive line sucks and another is that McCarthy may not be very good right now. The thing that bothers me and folks like mjb03003 is that McCarthy fanboys dismiss that out of hand.

Just responding the to words you’re putting on my screen friend.

 

[King of the Jungle]

McCarthy has looked terrible. He is also two starts into his NFL career. Seems a little premature to label him…yet. That being said, the injury does not help things. I think there is a strong possibility that Wentz improves the skill players output. Time will tell…

 

[bolzano]

McCarthy has looked terrible. He is also two starts into his NFL career. Seems a little premature to label him…yet. That being said, the injury does not help things. I think there is a strong possibility that Wentz improves the skill players output. Time will tell…

THIS.

Nobody is saying he’s Zach Wilson and it’s time to write him off. But he’s certainly not a QB1 for redraft purposes, and he appears to be a liability to his skill players.

Yes, his offensive line sucks and he may have been playing hurt. But, a good QB can be productive under adverse circumstances. We’ve seen it countless times (e.g., my dynasty QB, Joe Burrow). He simply isn’t at that level yet.

 

[King of the Jungle]

McCarthy has looked terrible. He is also two starts into his NFL career. Seems a little premature to label him…yet. That being said, the injury does not help things. I think there is a strong possibility that Wentz improves the skill players output. Time will tell…

THIS.

Nobody is saying he’s Zach Wilson and it’s time to write him off. But he’s certainly not a QB1 for redraft purposes, and he appears to be a liability to his skill players.

Yes, his offensive line sucks and he may have been playing hurt. But, a good QB can be productive under adverse circumstances. We’ve seen it countless times (e.g., my dynasty QB, Joe Burrow). He simply isn’t at that level yet.

Why does his oline suck, they invested a lot there? Did someone get injured (may have missed something there)?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

McCarthy has looked terrible. He is also two starts into his NFL career. Seems a little premature to label him…yet. That being said, the injury does not help things. I think there is a strong possibility that Wentz improves the skill players output. Time will tell…

THIS.

Nobody is saying he’s Zach Wilson and it’s time to write him off. But he’s certainly not a QB1 for redraft purposes, and he appears to be a liability to his skill players.

Yes, his offensive line sucks and he may have been playing hurt. But, a good QB can be productive under adverse circumstances. We’ve seen it countless times (e.g., my dynasty QB, Joe Burrow). He simply isn’t at that level yet.

Why does his oline suck, they invested a lot there? Did someone get injured (may have missed something there)?

3 of their starters are hurt. You missed 3 things. There’s a reason JJM was sacked eleventy times.

 

[Chaka]

McCarthy has looked terrible. He is also two starts into his NFL career. Seems a little premature to label him…yet. That being said, the injury does not help things. I think there is a strong possibility that Wentz improves the skill players output. Time will tell…

THIS.

Nobody is saying he’s Zach Wilson and it’s time to write him off. But he’s certainly not a QB1 for redraft purposes, and he appears to be a liability to his skill players.

Yes, his offensive line sucks and he may have been playing hurt. But, a good QB can be productive under adverse circumstances. We’ve seen it countless times (e.g., my dynasty QB, Joe Burrow). He simply isn’t at that level yet.

Why does his oline suck, they invested a lot there? Did someone get injured (may have missed something there)?

3 of their starters are hurt. You missed 3 things. There’s a reason JJM was sacked eleventy times.

Exactly!!! It's Caleb Williams's fault!!!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

McCarthy has looked terrible. He is also two starts into his NFL career. Seems a little premature to label him…yet. That being said, the injury does not help things. I think there is a strong possibility that Wentz improves the skill players output. Time will tell…

THIS.

Nobody is saying he’s Zach Wilson and it’s time to write him off. But he’s certainly not a QB1 for redraft purposes, and he appears to be a liability to his skill players.

Yes, his offensive line sucks and he may have been playing hurt. But, a good QB can be productive under adverse circumstances. We’ve seen it countless times (e.g., my dynasty QB, Joe Burrow). He simply isn’t at that level yet.

Why does his oline suck, they invested a lot there? Did someone get injured (may have missed something there)?

3 of their starters are hurt. You missed 3 things. There’s a reason JJM was sacked eleventy times.

Exactly!!! It's Caleb Williams's fault!!!

Wait what?

 

[Ray_T]

They were running the ball on first and second down when they trailed by two scores with ten minutes left. Their total pass attempts on the year are 41, which is the fewest in the NFL.

They buried him. They didn’t let him play. Their PROE was -7.1 last game and was worse (I used AI but will get official numbers) last night. They’ve run the fewest plays of any team (I think). He was a quarter away from being legendarily bad.

Missing three starting O-lineman is a big deal. I have no doubt that affected the play calling in a partial attempt to not get JJM killed. He does need to improve for sure but he did make some plays at times (as well as missed some throws). There is a lot of blame to go around here.

yeah, and that may be why they are sitting McCarthy with an injury. you cant put a developing young QB into that situation. its a good way to ruin your young prospect.

3 O linemen out? not a good scene no matter how good that line was to begin with.

 

[Faust]

Ross Tucker Podcast
“You know, I'm always leery of evaluating a quarterback playing for the first time after two games…”

“When he came out,I didn't think he was a first round pick kind of player…I think that with him it's going to take time…”

@GregCosell on Vikings QB J.J. McCarthy:

https://x.com/rosstuckerpod/status/1968676382780600387?s=61

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

That opening 3 quarters vs Chicago might’ve been the real thing & the 4th quarter the exception. It was certainly of a piece with the performance vs ATL. I guess Darnold is better than I thought also.

 

[Donnybrook]

That opening 3 quarters vs Chicago might’ve been the real thing & the 4th quarter the exception. It was certainly of a piece with the performance vs ATL. I guess Darnold is better than I thought also.

Atlanta might be this years RAMs it terms of drafting rookies rushers and now having a formidable pass rush. Rams D in the playoffs made the Vikings offense look pathetic with Darnold and without Darrisaw. Vikings traded for a serviceable LT in Cam Robinson last season and had a easy 2nd haif schedule. Vikings are trying to get by this year with a backup LT. So I see this season as more of a continuation of last season when they got smoked in their last 2 games.

I hope I am wrong but I expect the Vikings O with Wentz will look pathetic vs the Bengals. Maybe if the Vikings become a run first team with Mason, they would have a better chance. I can't see KOC changing his philosophy much. He much rather pass to set up the occasional run.

 

[Gally]

That opening 3 quarters vs Chicago might’ve been the real thing & the 4th quarter the exception. It was certainly of a piece with the performance vs ATL. I guess Darnold is better than I thought also.

Darnold was just as bad when he had no time (see last two games vs Detroit and LAR last year). Darnold is terrible under pressure.

 

[Gally]

Vikings are trying to get by this year with a backup LT

Just the first couple weeks. Darrisaw wasn't place don IR and is practicing in full. He should be back soon. But the first two games Skule was a turnstile for a game and a half and then got hurt so the 3rd guy finished up the Atl game.

 

[Donnybrook]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

 

[smbkrypt24]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

This would be that thing about dismissing opposing viewpoints. That is literally one play out of 2 weeks of play.

I believe it is early to know what is to come of JJM, but how you come across is very dismissive.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

This would be that thing about dismissing opposing viewpoints. That is literally one play out of 2 weeks of play.

I believe it is early to know what is to come of JJM, but how you come across is very dismissive.

It’s not just one play though. He was sacked like 7 times, and had zero time to throw last week.

Unless you’re making the case that was the *only play* that the Vikings OL stunk up the place on through 2 weeks of play? If so, kindly show your work.

 

[Donnybrook]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

This would be that thing about dismissing opposing viewpoints. That is literally one play out of 2 weeks of play.

I believe it is early to know what is to come of JJM, but how you come across is very dismissive.

One play? Here is another: https://x.com/i/status/1968762326930034864

 

[RenegadeRoy]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

lol Mason literally runs away from one of the rushers

 

[smbkrypt24]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

This would be that thing about dismissing opposing viewpoints. That is literally one play out of 2 weeks of play.

I believe it is early to know what is to come of JJM, but how you come across is very dismissive.

One play? Here is another: https://x.com/i/status/1968762326930034864

Yes, the comment was after one play posted in the chat.

 

[Donnybrook]

This is what a offensive pocket is supposed to look like: https://x.com/i/status/1967791590447124573

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

This would be that thing about dismissing opposing viewpoints. That is literally one play out of 2 weeks of play.

I believe it is early to know what is to come of JJM, but how you come across is very dismissive.

One play? Here is another: https://x.com/i/status/1968762326930034864

Yes, the comment was after one play posted in the chat.

My comment was based on watching 8 quarters of football.

maybe one day we can have a good faith discussion instead of whatever this is you’re trying to do.

 

[mjb03003]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

This would be that thing about dismissing opposing viewpoints. That is literally one play out of 2 weeks of play.

I believe it is early to know what is to come of JJM, but how you come across is very dismissive.

One play? Here is another: https://x.com/i/status/1968762326930034864

Yes, the comment was after one play posted in the chat.

My comment was based on watching 8 quarters of football.

maybe one day we can have a good faith discussion instead of whatever this is you’re trying to do.

It's laughable that you say you are here for a good faith discussion. You have a pattern of being snarky and dismissive of opinions that don't align with yours. You post a single play where the O-line blew it and you "wonder what game the critics are watching." Come on. That's inflammatory and overly critical of those who may have formed a different opinion than your own.

There were 49 plays run on offense by the Vikings in Week 1 and 46 in week 2. Do you think it's fair to point to one single play and act like the critics must be watching a *different game* if they happened to find things to criticize in JJ McCarthy's play? Of course, there are more examples of the O-line not doing their job, but anyone being objective would say there are good and bad things McCarthy has put on tape. Watching football is also subjective, and people can watch the same game(s) and come away with different takes. That's what we're here for, or at least I thought it was? Sometimes it feels like the goal is to just turn this into an echo chamber where only pro-McCarthy opinions are welcome.

 

[smbkrypt24]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

This would be that thing about dismissing opposing viewpoints. That is literally one play out of 2 weeks of play.

I believe it is early to know what is to come of JJM, but how you come across is very dismissive.

One play? Here is another: https://x.com/i/status/1968762326930034864

Yes, the comment was after one play posted in the chat.

My comment was based on watching 8 quarters of football.

maybe one day we can have a good faith discussion instead of whatever this is you’re trying to do.

I was letting you know you were coming off as dismissive. It is okay for us to watch the Vikings and come away with different opinions.

I don't have the opinion that this is all on JJM. I think we need to wait and actually let him develop. I think the best think for JJM is that he is allowed to play through the growing pains (after his ankle heals).

What I don't think is productive is to dismiss someone that thinks that he is not playing well or someone that thinks he is playing well because their opinion is different.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

This would be that thing about dismissing opposing viewpoints. That is literally one play out of 2 weeks of play.

I believe it is early to know what is to come of JJM, but how you come across is very dismissive.

One play? Here is another: https://x.com/i/status/1968762326930034864

Yes, the comment was after one play posted in the chat.

My comment was based on watching 8 quarters of football.

maybe one day we can have a good faith discussion instead of whatever this is you’re trying to do.

I was letting you know you were coming off as dismissive. It is okay for us to watch the Vikings and come away with different opinions.

I don't have the opinion that this is all on JJM. I think we need to wait and actually let him develop. I think the best think for JJM is that he is allowed to play through the growing pains (after his ankle heals).

What I don't think is productive is to dismiss someone that thinks that he is not playing well or someone that thinks he is playing well because their opinion is different.

Well I wasn’t - I didn’t call anyone out & dismiss them or their opinion - the critics I was referring to were the sports media talking heads, thanks. I agree that being dismissive of other’s opinions is unproductive, so I’m glad we’re eye to eye on that. Thank goodness I wasn’t engaged in that in the slightest.

My statement was more of a “blanket generalizations aren’t good and this play is a perfect example of that.”

But hey, thanks for calling me out as though I was being dismissive of anyone on this forum despite that never having happened. Thank goodness you were here to get defensive on their behalf, whomever “they” are/is.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

you think it's fair to point to one single play and act like the critics must be watching a *different game*

Already said I wasn’t doing that. Here we are back to bad faith arguments.

Here’s what I said before your post:

My comment was based on watching 8 quarters of football.

How about that. I said I was basing it off 8 quarters of football, yet you’re choosing to frame my position as “based on 1 play”. Be better than this.

I’m not letting JJM off the hook for some poor play. I’ve been entirely consistent with that. But there are some in the sports “news” media sphere who are putting it all on JJM, and I take issue with it.

Taking that personally when I didn’t address anyone specifically is a weird choice.

 

[smbkrypt24]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

This would be that thing about dismissing opposing viewpoints. That is literally one play out of 2 weeks of play.

I believe it is early to know what is to come of JJM, but how you come across is very dismissive.

One play? Here is another: https://x.com/i/status/1968762326930034864

Yes, the comment was after one play posted in the chat.

My comment was based on watching 8 quarters of football.

maybe one day we can have a good faith discussion instead of whatever this is you’re trying to do.

I was letting you know you were coming off as dismissive. It is okay for us to watch the Vikings and come away with different opinions.

I don't have the opinion that this is all on JJM. I think we need to wait and actually let him develop. I think the best think for JJM is that he is allowed to play through the growing pains (after his ankle heals).

What I don't think is productive is to dismiss someone that thinks that he is not playing well or someone that thinks he is playing well because their opinion is different.

Well I wasn’t - I didn’t call anyone out & dismiss them or their opinion - the critics I was referring to were the sports media talking heads, thanks. I agree that being dismissive of other’s opinions is unproductive, so I’m glad we’re eye to eye on that. Thank goodness I wasn’t engaged in that in the slightest.

My statement was more of a “blanket generalizations aren’t good and this play is a perfect example of that.”

But hey, thanks for calling me out as though I was being dismissive of anyone on this forum despite that never having happened. Thank goodness you were here to get defensive on their behalf, whomever “they” are/is.

I am not the only one pointing your dismissiveness out, but sure shove your head in the sand and keep saying your not doing it.
I only pointed it out to perhaps help the conversation forward, not to harp on the negative part of it.
I am done with the back and forth though so feel free to comment and I will not respond.

As for JJM. Let’s hope for a full recovery and then some in game experience to see if he can grow as a QB. We have some time though to see Wentz though back there first though.

 

[mjb03003]

you think it's fair to point to one single play and act like the critics must be watching a *different game*

Already said I wasn’t doing that. Here we are back to bad faith arguments.

Here’s what I said before your post:

My comment was based on watching 8 quarters of football.

How about that. I said I was basing it off 8 quarters of football, yet you’re choosing to frame my position as “based on 1 play”. Be better than this.

I’m not letting JJM off the hook for some poor play. I’ve been entirely consistent with that. But there are some in the sports “news” media sphere who are putting it all on JJM, and I take issue with it.

Taking that personally when I didn’t address anyone specifically is a weird choice.

Just responding to the words you’re putting on my screen:

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

See how you used the words “that play”?

Feel free to respond and get the last word though. Everyone pointing out your dismissiveness must be wrong.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

See how you used the words “that play”?

Feel free to respond and get the last word though. Everyone pointing out your dismissiveness must be wrong.

Ah yes, the old passive aggressive “I’ll let you get the last word in” trap.



“Everyone” is you and one other person, but what a delightful appeal to the masses fallacy.

Maybe focus more on football & the topic at hand and less on me. Imma put you on ignore so I can do the same. Have a nice day.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

As for JJM. Let’s hope for a full recovery and then some in game experience to see if he can grow as a QB. We have some time though to see Wentz though back there first though.

With you on this totally.

I’m not optimistic about Wentz’s chances but stranger things have happened. He’s better built to be a piñata, at least.

I only pointed it out to perhaps help the conversation forward, not to harp on the negative part of it.

and I only pointed out that you made a poor assumption about who I was talking about, and based on that claimed a falsehood that I was “dismissive of other’s opinions”. It’s the word “critics” that you were wrong about. HTH.

 

[FBG Moderator]

Drop the back and forth snark and slaps at each other.

Keep this 100% on football and not snarky comments to each other if you want to keep posting here.

 

[Ray_T]

That opening 3 quarters vs Chicago might’ve been the real thing & the 4th quarter the exception. It was certainly of a piece with the performance vs ATL. I guess Darnold is better than I thought also.

it has been my experience that a defense tends to give up points at 2 points in a game.
1) start of the game. if the offense comes in with a gameplan that takes the D by surprise, they can sometimes score on the first drive or two.
2) end of the game (often) D is tired and the offense is able to do things they couldnt do early in the game.

it could be a case where they just reached that point in the game.

not to take anything away from JJ McCarthy. You still gotta give him credit for taking advantage of the situation. and good for him. perhaps thats the one positive you can take from his season so far.

 

[smbkrypt24]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

This would be that thing about dismissing opposing viewpoints. That is literally one play out of 2 weeks of play.

I believe it is early to know what is to come of JJM, but how you come across is very dismissive.

One play? Here is another: https://x.com/i/status/1968762326930034864

Yes, the comment was after one play posted in the chat.

My comment was based on watching 8 quarters of football.

maybe one day we can have a good faith discussion instead of whatever this is you’re trying to do.

I was letting you know you were coming off as dismissive. It is okay for us to watch the Vikings and come away with different opinions.

I don't have the opinion that this is all on JJM. I think we need to wait and actually let him develop. I think the best think for JJM is that he is allowed to play through the growing pains (after his ankle heals).

What I don't think is productive is to dismiss someone that thinks that he is not playing well or someone that thinks he is playing well because their opinion is different.

Well I wasn’t - I didn’t call anyone out & dismiss them or their opinion - the critics I was referring to were the sports media talking heads, thanks. I agree that being dismissive of other’s opinions is unproductive, so I’m glad we’re eye to eye on that. Thank goodness I wasn’t engaged in that in the slightest.

My statement was more of a “blanket generalizations aren’t good and this play is a perfect example of that.”

But hey, thanks for calling me out as though I was being dismissive of anyone on this forum despite that never having happened. Thank goodness you were here to get defensive on their behalf, whomever “they” are/is.

I am not the only one pointing your dismissiveness out, but sure shove your head in the sand and keep saying your not doing it.
I only pointed it out to perhaps help the conversation forward, not to harp on the negative part of it.
I am done with the back and forth though so feel free to comment and I will not respond.

As for JJM. Let’s hope for a full recovery and then some in game experience to see if he can grow as a QB. We have some time though to see Wentz though back there first though.

Move over JJM. Wentz with a nice opening drive TD.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

This would be that thing about dismissing opposing viewpoints. That is literally one play out of 2 weeks of play.

I believe it is early to know what is to come of JJM, but how you come across is very dismissive.

One play? Here is another: https://x.com/i/status/1968762326930034864

Yes, the comment was after one play posted in the chat.

My comment was based on watching 8 quarters of football.

maybe one day we can have a good faith discussion instead of whatever this is you’re trying to do.

I was letting you know you were coming off as dismissive. It is okay for us to watch the Vikings and come away with different opinions.

I don't have the opinion that this is all on JJM. I think we need to wait and actually let him develop. I think the best think for JJM is that he is allowed to play through the growing pains (after his ankle heals).

What I don't think is productive is to dismiss someone that thinks that he is not playing well or someone that thinks he is playing well because their opinion is different.

Well I wasn’t - I didn’t call anyone out & dismiss them or their opinion - the critics I was referring to were the sports media talking heads, thanks. I agree that being dismissive of other’s opinions is unproductive, so I’m glad we’re eye to eye on that. Thank goodness I wasn’t engaged in that in the slightest.

My statement was more of a “blanket generalizations aren’t good and this play is a perfect example of that.”

But hey, thanks for calling me out as though I was being dismissive of anyone on this forum despite that never having happened. Thank goodness you were here to get defensive on their behalf, whomever “they” are/is.

I am not the only one pointing your dismissiveness out, but sure shove your head in the sand and keep saying your not doing it.
I only pointed it out to perhaps help the conversation forward, not to harp on the negative part of it.
I am done with the back and forth though so feel free to comment and I will not respond.

As for JJM. Let’s hope for a full recovery and then some in game experience to see if he can grow as a QB. We have some time though to see Wentz though back there first though.

Move over JJM. Wentz with a nice opening drive TD.

Helps that Darrisaw is back.

Wentz with a 173 yards didn’t exactly light the league on fire, even with the OL Upgrade.


Not sure JJM needs to move over just yet. lol

 

[Chaka]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

This would be that thing about dismissing opposing viewpoints. That is literally one play out of 2 weeks of play.

I believe it is early to know what is to come of JJM, but how you come across is very dismissive.

One play? Here is another: https://x.com/i/status/1968762326930034864

Yes, the comment was after one play posted in the chat.

My comment was based on watching 8 quarters of football.

maybe one day we can have a good faith discussion instead of whatever this is you’re trying to do.

I was letting you know you were coming off as dismissive. It is okay for us to watch the Vikings and come away with different opinions.

I don't have the opinion that this is all on JJM. I think we need to wait and actually let him develop. I think the best think for JJM is that he is allowed to play through the growing pains (after his ankle heals).

What I don't think is productive is to dismiss someone that thinks that he is not playing well or someone that thinks he is playing well because their opinion is different.

Well I wasn’t - I didn’t call anyone out & dismiss them or their opinion - the critics I was referring to were the sports media talking heads, thanks. I agree that being dismissive of other’s opinions is unproductive, so I’m glad we’re eye to eye on that. Thank goodness I wasn’t engaged in that in the slightest.

My statement was more of a “blanket generalizations aren’t good and this play is a perfect example of that.”

But hey, thanks for calling me out as though I was being dismissive of anyone on this forum despite that never having happened. Thank goodness you were here to get defensive on their behalf, whomever “they” are/is.

I am not the only one pointing your dismissiveness out, but sure shove your head in the sand and keep saying your not doing it.
I only pointed it out to perhaps help the conversation forward, not to harp on the negative part of it.
I am done with the back and forth though so feel free to comment and I will not respond.

As for JJM. Let’s hope for a full recovery and then some in game experience to see if he can grow as a QB. We have some time though to see Wentz though back there first though.

Move over JJM. Wentz with a nice opening drive TD.

Helps that Darrisaw is back.

Wentz with a 173 yards didn’t exactly light the league on fire, even with the OL Upgrade.


Not sure JJM needs to move over just yet. lol

FTR I don't think JJ gets Wally Pipped but, you're working real hard to polish that
<- apparently this is what happens when you try to put a poop emoji here

14/20 (70%), 8.7 y/a, 2 TD, 0 INT, 0 fumbles, 3 sacks

Wentz played very well today.

 

[dmac37]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

This would be that thing about dismissing opposing viewpoints. That is literally one play out of 2 weeks of play.

I believe it is early to know what is to come of JJM, but how you come across is very dismissive.

One play? Here is another: https://x.com/i/status/1968762326930034864

Yes, the comment was after one play posted in the chat.

My comment was based on watching 8 quarters of football.

maybe one day we can have a good faith discussion instead of whatever this is you’re trying to do.

I was letting you know you were coming off as dismissive. It is okay for us to watch the Vikings and come away with different opinions.

I don't have the opinion that this is all on JJM. I think we need to wait and actually let him develop. I think the best think for JJM is that he is allowed to play through the growing pains (after his ankle heals).

What I don't think is productive is to dismiss someone that thinks that he is not playing well or someone that thinks he is playing well because their opinion is different.

Well I wasn’t - I didn’t call anyone out & dismiss them or their opinion - the critics I was referring to were the sports media talking heads, thanks. I agree that being dismissive of other’s opinions is unproductive, so I’m glad we’re eye to eye on that. Thank goodness I wasn’t engaged in that in the slightest.

My statement was more of a “blanket generalizations aren’t good and this play is a perfect example of that.”

But hey, thanks for calling me out as though I was being dismissive of anyone on this forum despite that never having happened. Thank goodness you were here to get defensive on their behalf, whomever “they” are/is.

I am not the only one pointing your dismissiveness out, but sure shove your head in the sand and keep saying your not doing it.
I only pointed it out to perhaps help the conversation forward, not to harp on the negative part of it.
I am done with the back and forth though so feel free to comment and I will not respond.

As for JJM. Let’s hope for a full recovery and then some in game experience to see if he can grow as a QB. We have some time though to see Wentz though back there first though.

Move over JJM. Wentz with a nice opening drive TD.

Helps that Darrisaw is back.

Wentz with a 173 yards didn’t exactly light the league on fire, even with the OL Upgrade.


Not sure JJM needs to move over just yet. lol

FTR I don't think JJ gets Wally Pipped but, you're working real hard to polish that

14/20 (70%), 8.7 y/a, 2 TD, 0 INT, 0 fumbles, 3 sacks

Wentz played very well today.

Vikings are win now, I will not be shocked if they continue with Wentz.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Vikings are win now, I will not be shocked if they continue with Wentz.

It’s just too bad they don’t play the Bengals every week. Let’s see what he looks like against a real defense.

As of now I’d bet if JJM could play next weed he’d be behind center. But that’s not gonna happen. We’ll probably see a 4-game sample size (Vikes have an early BYE)

 

[Chaka]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

This would be that thing about dismissing opposing viewpoints. That is literally one play out of 2 weeks of play.

I believe it is early to know what is to come of JJM, but how you come across is very dismissive.

One play? Here is another: https://x.com/i/status/1968762326930034864

Yes, the comment was after one play posted in the chat.

My comment was based on watching 8 quarters of football.

maybe one day we can have a good faith discussion instead of whatever this is you’re trying to do.

I was letting you know you were coming off as dismissive. It is okay for us to watch the Vikings and come away with different opinions.

I don't have the opinion that this is all on JJM. I think we need to wait and actually let him develop. I think the best think for JJM is that he is allowed to play through the growing pains (after his ankle heals).

What I don't think is productive is to dismiss someone that thinks that he is not playing well or someone that thinks he is playing well because their opinion is different.

Well I wasn’t - I didn’t call anyone out & dismiss them or their opinion - the critics I was referring to were the sports media talking heads, thanks. I agree that being dismissive of other’s opinions is unproductive, so I’m glad we’re eye to eye on that. Thank goodness I wasn’t engaged in that in the slightest.

My statement was more of a “blanket generalizations aren’t good and this play is a perfect example of that.”

But hey, thanks for calling me out as though I was being dismissive of anyone on this forum despite that never having happened. Thank goodness you were here to get defensive on their behalf, whomever “they” are/is.

I am not the only one pointing your dismissiveness out, but sure shove your head in the sand and keep saying your not doing it.
I only pointed it out to perhaps help the conversation forward, not to harp on the negative part of it.
I am done with the back and forth though so feel free to comment and I will not respond.

As for JJM. Let’s hope for a full recovery and then some in game experience to see if he can grow as a QB. We have some time though to see Wentz though back there first though.

Move over JJM. Wentz with a nice opening drive TD.

Helps that Darrisaw is back.

Wentz with a 173 yards didn’t exactly light the league on fire, even with the OL Upgrade.


Not sure JJM needs to move over just yet. lol

FTR I don't think JJ gets Wally Pipped but, you're working real hard to polish that

14/20 (70%), 8.7 y/a, 2 TD, 0 INT, 0 fumbles, 3 sacks

Wentz played very well today.

My poop emoji got turned into a smiley?

For reals?

ETA: apparently so.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

ETA: apparently so.

Yeah, I discovered that last year. Lame.

 

[Maelstrom]

Wentz had a clean game, but really helps that he had the lead, a running game that was working, the defense was playing lights out, and Darrisaw back. I don't think there was enough shown in this game, despite the score, to indicate any reason JJM wouldn't get the job back when he's healthy.

That said, Wentz probably has 2 more weeks and the bye to put up a resume worthy of staying on as the starter. With 2 international games and a bye in week 6, it probably makes sense to target week 7 for JJM to be healthy and potentially back in the saddle as QB1.

 

[Schmeabs]

I never realized we had some many McCarthy fan boys in here. Wentz did well today and looked way better than JJ has looked.

 

[bolzano]

As I mentioned a few pages back, Wentz is gonna have the Steelers + Browns after this game and both are at home. So, he’s likely going to be 3-0.

McCarthy is projected to come back during a brutal stretch in their schedule (Eagles, Chargers, Lions, Ravens). Even if they hand him back the reins, there will be a lot of pressure on him to perform...

 

[smbkrypt24]

Wentz had a clean game, but really helps that he had the lead, a running game that was working, the defense was playing lights out, and Darrisaw back. I don't think there was enough shown in this game, despite the score, to indicate any reason JJM wouldn't get the job back when he's healthy.

That said, Wentz probably has 2 more weeks and the bye to put up a resume worthy of staying on as the starter. With 2 international games and a bye in week 6, it probably makes sense to target week 7 for JJM to be healthy and potentially back in the saddle as QB1.

He built that lead, which is when my comment was made. Then yeah it helps to maintain the lead with the rushing attack

 

[smbkrypt24]

This: https://x.com/i/status/1968723095046222316

Yeah, seeing the heaps of criticism of JJM then watching that play, ya gotta wonder what game the critics are watching.

This would be that thing about dismissing opposing viewpoints. That is literally one play out of 2 weeks of play.

I believe it is early to know what is to come of JJM, but how you come across is very dismissive.

One play? Here is another: https://x.com/i/status/1968762326930034864

Yes, the comment was after one play posted in the chat.

My comment was based on watching 8 quarters of football.

maybe one day we can have a good faith discussion instead of whatever this is you’re trying to do.

I was letting you know you were coming off as dismissive. It is okay for us to watch the Vikings and come away with different opinions.

I don't have the opinion that this is all on JJM. I think we need to wait and actually let him develop. I think the best think for JJM is that he is allowed to play through the growing pains (after his ankle heals).

What I don't think is productive is to dismiss someone that thinks that he is not playing well or someone that thinks he is playing well because their opinion is different.

Well I wasn’t - I didn’t call anyone out & dismiss them or their opinion - the critics I was referring to were the sports media talking heads, thanks. I agree that being dismissive of other’s opinions is unproductive, so I’m glad we’re eye to eye on that. Thank goodness I wasn’t engaged in that in the slightest.

My statement was more of a “blanket generalizations aren’t good and this play is a perfect example of that.”

But hey, thanks for calling me out as though I was being dismissive of anyone on this forum despite that never having happened. Thank goodness you were here to get defensive on their behalf, whomever “they” are/is.

I am not the only one pointing your dismissiveness out, but sure shove your head in the sand and keep saying your not doing it.
I only pointed it out to perhaps help the conversation forward, not to harp on the negative part of it.
I am done with the back and forth though so feel free to comment and I will not respond.

As for JJM. Let’s hope for a full recovery and then some in game experience to see if he can grow as a QB. We have some time though to see Wentz though back there first though.

Move over JJM. Wentz with a nice opening drive TD.

Helps that Darrisaw is back.

Wentz with a 173 yards didn’t exactly light the league on fire, even with the OL Upgrade.


Not sure JJM needs to move over just yet. lol

Clearly 2 different points of the game the posts were made if you aren’t able to see that for yourself..
Mine was made right after Wentz lead the team down for the opening TD..

 

[rockaction]

As I mentioned a few pages back, Wentz is gonna have the Steelers + Browns after this game and both are at home. So, he’s likely going to be 3-0.

Browns are tough. Steelers are a paper tiger 2-1.

It is very possible they go 3-0.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Clearly 2 different points of the game the posts were made if you aren’t able to see that for yourself..
Mine was made right after Wentz lead the read down for the opening TD..

Yes, I didn’t log in here until I posted that, so to me it was all the same time. I wasn’t trying to be snarky there - just pointing out what the game looked like from my perspective. I work Sundays, and was slammed pretty much open to close of the farmers market.