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QB J.J. McCarthy, MIN (8 Viewers)
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Which would be asinine in my opinion. I think its more likely he was playing through the injury already, and it got worse against Atlanta given all the sacks (and possibly explains some of the sacks) I highly doubt a 1-1 team who knew they were developing their QB, is just gonna willingly decide to hand the reigns to a guy who wasn't even on the roster a month ago.
Falcons mostly shut down Tampa the week before, just had some bad luck. They dropped several Mayfield INTs, and basically just got beat twice by Egbuka. For all the crap he takes (much of it deserved) Raheem Morris can absolutely run a defense.
Golden Gopher
Footballguy
Agreed. And maybe they are just trying to protect him until Darrisaw is back. Skule is a human turnstile. JJ is going to get killed if that guy plays much longer.
Golden Gopher
Footballguy
I've always thought that the "knock" on Morris wasn't that he couldn't run a defense, but that he's on a long list of guys who are much better specialists (coordinators) than they are HC's. I guess time will tell in terms of him being a HC. And, to be fair, he was pretty young the first time around (it was well over a decade ago).
But, yeah, I don't think there's any question he's a better than average defensive coach.
I do recall them showing McCarthy getting his ankle taped on the sideline in the 3rd quarter, I think. Its definitely not a benching.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He came up limping after a particularly egregious sack where the defender was on him the second the ball was snapped. I thought he looked hurt, but he played through it.
Footballdaz
Footballguy
McCarthy not ready yet. Carson right decision for the team
rockaction
Footballguy
He held the ball an average of 3.28 seconds. NFL average is 2.79 seconds. I don’t believe he threw more than five passes to the left side of the field, which is where he was wildly inaccurate in college.
JJ McCarthy's concerning habit following Week 2 loss against the Atlanta Falcons
This could be a problem for JJ McCarthy and the Vikings
They were running the ball on first and second down when they trailed by two scores with ten minutes left. Their total pass attempts on the year are 41, which is the fewest in the NFL.
They buried him. They didn’t let him play. Their PROE was -7.1 last game and was worse (I used AI but will get official numbers) last night. They’ve run the fewest plays of any team over two games. He was a quarter away from being legendarily bad.
J.J. McCarthy and Vikings offense’s process to be tested following Falcons loss
Expecting the first-year starter to take the reins and light up the NFL would have been foolish.
www.nytimes.com
They’re saying it’s a high ankle sprain and he’s out 2-4 weeks?
Uh . . .
It was not just his line. Read the article and any analysis of his play.
He was plum terrible, and I have no skin invested in him stinking. I claimed they’d bring him along slowly. They have done and are doing exactly that.
PROE equals Pass Rate Over Expectation. O’Connell has never been less than +3 over the course of a year. He’s at -7 with McCarthy.
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
I would expect nothing less from a person that wrote off Sam Darnold as a terrible QB because of his play with the Jets. It has been 2 weeks and you are writing off JJ McCarthy.
He held the ball an average of 3.2 seconds. I don’t believe he threw more than five passes to the left side of the field, which is where he was wildly inaccurate in college.
They were running the ball on first and second down when they trailed by two scores with ten minutes left. Their total attempts on the year are 41, which is the fewest in the NFL.
They buried him. They didn’t let him play. Their PROE was -7.1 last game and was worse (I used AI but will get official numbers) last night. They’ve run the fewest plays of any team (I think).
J.J. McCarthy and Vikings offense’s process to be tested following Falcons loss
Expecting the first-year starter to take the reins and light up the NFL would have been foolish.
They’re saying it’s a high ankle sprain and he’s out 2-4 weeks?
Uh . . .
rockaction
Footballguy
I would expect nothing less from a person that wrote off Sam Darnold as a terrible QB because of his play with the Jets. It has been 2 weeks and you are writing off JJ McCarthy.
He held the ball an average of 3.2 seconds. I don’t believe he threw more than five passes to the left side of the field, which is where he was wildly inaccurate in college.
They were running the ball on first and second down when they trailed by two scores with ten minutes left. Their total attempts on the year are 41, which is the fewest in the NFL.
They buried him. They didn’t let him play. Their PROE was -7.1 last game and was worse (I used AI but will get official numbers) last night. They’ve run the fewest plays of any team (I think).
J.J. McCarthy and Vikings offense’s process to be tested following Falcons loss
Expecting the first-year starter to take the reins and light up the NFL would have been foolish.
They’re saying it’s a high ankle sprain and he’s out 2-4 weeks?
Uh . . .
Nope. Never said that at all. I have said nothing about McCarthy but I’ll sell you a windmill to tilt at.
Darnold stunk with Carolina also. Then he backed up in SF.
So I don’t have to rehash and argue a million points please go back two pages (it starts on Page 19, I think) and read my argument.
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Please let's keep this 100% on football and not arguing with other posters and what they said previously.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Wild that anyone believes he has a high ankle sprain
fatness
Footballguy
Some Viking fans don't believe it's an injury.
Minnesota Vikings fans don't believe J.J. McCarthy is injured with Carson Wentz starting in Week 3
Minnesota Vikings fans don't believe J.J. McCarthy is injured with Carson Wentz starting in Week 3
rockaction
Footballguy
@Donnybrook I'm not really sure how what Joe said was ambiguous where you would need to think about it. I've never said the thing about McCarthy you're attributing to me. What Joe doesn't want is endless bickering back and forth about it, which is why I asked you, should you be so concerned, to go back to Page 19 and read specifically what I'm arguing. I drafted J.J. McCarthy for my dynasty team last year. At the 3.1 in a ten-team league—and I was thrilled to get him. Other people coveted him, and I was able to send Pacheco, Aiyuk, a future 2nd, and a current 3rd for Josh Allen in a league where .1 points is awarded for 10 yards passing, passing TDs are 6 points, and interceptions are -4.5. We get deducted for incompletions also. It's a QB-centric league. It's staggering what a trade and a boon that was. And I've said very few negative things about J.J. since.
Please let's not derail the thread. I am more than available through PMs. Peace.
Please let's not derail the thread. I am more than available through PMs. Peace.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Wild that anyone would spread conspiracy theories on a FF site as though they were posting factual information.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Some Vikings fans believe the moon is made of cheese, the earth is flat, and chocolate milk comes from brown cows, so… yeah.
Conspiracy theorists will always find something. McCarthy was clearly not right physically. You wouldn't fake taping someone's ankle in the 3rd quarter with the intention of using it as an excuse to bench them.
Most likely scenario is he tweaked his ankle slightly enough to have it taped and then they are using it as an excuse to bench him.
rockaction
Footballguy
I wasn't buying it so much either, but I refrained because these things are usually not the way teams go about making decisions like this.
Here's the play: https://x.com/Seth_Kaplan/status/1967663368132759771
Here's the play: https://x.com/Seth_Kaplan/status/1967663368132759771
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
They’re benching McCarthy to start Wentz instead?
Some of y’all need to put down those left handed cigarettes.
Some of y’all need to put down those left handed cigarettes.
Have you watched the first 2 Viking games?
Missing three starting O-lineman is a big deal. I have no doubt that affected the play calling in a partial attempt to not get JJM killed. He does need to improve for sure but he did make some plays at times (as well as missed some throws). There is a lot of blame to go around here.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Yes
Yep, the good ol’ unflagged hip drop tackle. NFL is so inconsistent with flagging that play.
rockaction
Footballguy
Well, you weren't missing three. You began the game missing one. Then one left halfway or so through the second, and you guys hadn't thrown the ball for anything. So, yeah, I'm sure that affected it, but they did the same thing the first game when only Darrisaw was missing. I mean, they let the air out the ball. They were 28th in Pass Rate Over Expectation with a -7.1 and most of the positive headway came in the fourth. I mean, I'm sorry, I know Biabreakable got on me and you seem to agree but everything they've done with this kid has reeked of protecting him. The guy below in this Tweet from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune saw the play he supposedly got injured on and said "I would like to introduce a term, and its possible application to the Vikings QB situation: soft benching." - Michael Rand
In addition to that and as concerns the line, the problems he had getting sacked were mostly him according to almost everything I'm reading
RandBall
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FWIW, PFF says JJ has had 3.08 seconds to throw (fourth-most of 34 QBs) but that 40.9% of pressures on McCarthy have turned into sacks (2nd-highest rate in the league). Suggestive of a QB adjusting to speed of game and how to navigate rush, for sure.
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Thought experiment here. Vikings are a good team and their schedule isn’t too difficult over the short-term (Bengals, Steelers, Browns). But, then it gets brutal (Eagles, Chargers, Lions, and Ravens).
So, let’s say McCarthy misses the next 3-4 weeks and Wentz goes 3-0 or 3-1. Do they hand back the keys to McCarthy?
So, let’s say McCarthy misses the next 3-4 weeks and Wentz goes 3-0 or 3-1. Do they hand back the keys to McCarthy?
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh duuuuude . . . let’s cross that bridge when we’ve hiked that far and the river’s swells are raging.
I’m just saying that this is terrible timing for him. The situation that I posited is very plausible assuming he misses a few weeks with his HAS.
They could also be without 3 of their 5 starting o-lineman. Maybe not a bad few weeks to take off until they get healthy.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He got up from that last sack very shakily. I was a little surrised they didn’t send him to the tent for concussion evaluation. His helmet was 1/4 way up his face, chin guard on his nose, and he was definitely woozy.
A dude can only be a tackling dummy so many timed before it takes a toll.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d be willing to bet that there’s very little chance of that happening. The schedule is brutal, Wentz has looked bad for years, and the OL is Swiss cheese.
You don’t think they’ll be favored against the Bengals, Steelers, and Browns? They’re all home games to boot.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Based on what, vibes?
Take a look at Wentz’ last starts in the NFL. His last meaningful game was 1/5/2024. He went 10/17 for 98 yards, 0/0. Well that’s a small sample size you might say… and yes, it was. Yet he still managed to take 4 sacks. His QBR was 19.1
He wasn’t great in his lone 2023 start, and 2022 was a very mixed bag.
If Wentz gets 2-3-4 starts, I don’t see him playing well enough behind that line to usurp a guy the Vikings traded up to pick after 2 starts.
This, to me, feels like the Vikings knowing that line will get JJM killed and maybe ruin his career similar to the Texans with Carr. Wentz is a cheap punching bag they can put behind center and hope for the best. But I fully admit I’m basing that speculation on vibes.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I have no idea, nor do I think that’s relevant to your point, nor my skepticism.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Several times during the game I commented that he was taking some wicked shots and still getting up
I figured it was just him being so young but turns out all those hits took a big toll
I figured it was just him being so young but turns out all those hits took a big toll
I don’t have a dog in this back and forth between those who think McCarthy sucks and those who think he’s been dealt a bad hand. Also, I’m not buying that he’s being benched with a phantom injury.
I’m just saying it’s plausible that Wentz wins a few games while McCarthy is sidelined. Then, the Vikings may have to make a tough decision. But yeah, it would’ve been easy had McCarthy played well over the past two weeks.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I have 1 share across 7 dynasty leagues and 0 shares across 6 redraft & BB leagues.
Excellent example of an ad hominem attack though. Thank you for helping to educate others on the importance of logical fallacy by showing what a bad faith response looks like.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And having watched a lot of Carson Wentz over the years, I’m deeply skeptical of that. We can agree to disagree then watch the games unfold.
massraider
Footballguy
It's likely that he's benched for performance, and everyone is lying about his injury, cause some rando suggested it?
Come on
Come on
