QB J.J. McCarthy, MIN (9 Viewers)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Well... I couldn't be more 180 on this chap.

From pre season diss to Week 1 add.

Seeing is believing. Grabbed him and Penix, now I get to decide between them on Sunday night.

Really, huh? He had a -.45 EPA and was 13-20 for 143 yards. Not for a half. For the game. He did have 2 passing TDs and a rushing TD to go with a pick-six. I don't know. His aDOT was around a 5.8, which is 27th in the league. When he threw, he didn't throw it that far, even. The thing that won MN the game was Mason's running, really.

I certainly think we all have the right to draw our own conclusions, but I think I'd like to see a little bit more from the young man. Just me.

I saw him make the throws he'll need to make in the KOC offense which I didn't know if he could make coming in so thats my reason for optimism

We've seen KOC spin gold with Darnold, I'll take the guy with an upgrade in mobility and now a true run balance to things.

I'm investing in the unknown of JJ versus the known mediocrity of in this specific case, Trevor Lawrence. But there's a few guys you could bucket there.

Discussion about JJM is limited to those of us who waited on QB though, if he's ever a top 10 QB it will be right about 10.

But considering I thought he'd totally flop, I'm intrigued. I may be likewise betting into fools gold since it was the bears he carved up

No, that's great. I was actually higher on him out of college than what I wound up seeing but giving him no time wouldn't be fair on my end. In addition to the stats I just gave, he had a good passer rating and success rate. He was bottom-third in aggressiveness and completion rate, but he tended to throw the ball close to the sticks (to a first down) when he did throw. Considering how that game started, it could have been a complete disaster. He fought through some embarrassment, sucked it up, and made all the throws and the decisions when he had to. This should be an interesting year. I wish him the best.

You really should take a bit and watch JTO break that game down. The video link is upthread.

You’re putting way more on JJM than is warranted here.

 

[rockaction]

Well... I couldn't be more 180 on this chap.

From pre season diss to Week 1 add.

Seeing is believing. Grabbed him and Penix, now I get to decide between them on Sunday night.

Really, huh? He had a -.45 EPA and was 13-20 for 143 yards. Not for a half. For the game. He did have 2 passing TDs and a rushing TD to go with a pick-six. I don't know. His aDOT was around a 5.8, which is 27th in the league. When he threw, he didn't throw it that far, even. The thing that won MN the game was Mason's running, really.

I certainly think we all have the right to draw our own conclusions, but I think I'd like to see a little bit more from the young man. Just me.

I saw him make the throws he'll need to make in the KOC offense which I didn't know if he could make coming in so thats my reason for optimism

We've seen KOC spin gold with Darnold, I'll take the guy with an upgrade in mobility and now a true run balance to things.

I'm investing in the unknown of JJ versus the known mediocrity of in this specific case, Trevor Lawrence. But there's a few guys you could bucket there.

Discussion about JJM is limited to those of us who waited on QB though, if he's ever a top 10 QB it will be right about 10.

But considering I thought he'd totally flop, I'm intrigued. I may be likewise betting into fools gold since it was the bears he carved up

No, that's great. I was actually higher on him out of college than what I wound up seeing but giving him no time wouldn't be fair on my end. In addition to the stats I just gave, he had a good passer rating and success rate. He was bottom-third in aggressiveness and completion rate, but he tended to throw the ball close to the sticks (to a first down) when he did throw. Considering how that game started, it could have been a complete disaster. He fought through some embarrassment, sucked it up, and made all the throws and the decisions when he had to. This should be an interesting year. I wish him the best.

You really should take a bit and watch JTO break that game down. The video link is upthread.

You’re putting way more on JJM than is warranted here.

I’ll run the risk. I’m not really worried about their competency. I’m still amused the sort of almost ire Biabreakable treats the suggestion. They dropped back ten times in the first half. They were 5-8 with two sacks.

We will figure out how they play this soon enough.

 

[Jail]

Well... I couldn't be more 180 on this chap.

From pre season diss to Week 1 add.

Seeing is believing. Grabbed him and Penix, now I get to decide between them on Sunday night.

Really, huh? He had a -.45 EPA and was 13-20 for 143 yards. Not for a half. For the game. He did have 2 passing TDs and a rushing TD to go with a pick-six. I don't know. His aDOT was around a 5.8, which is 27th in the league. When he threw, he didn't throw it that far, even. The thing that won MN the game was Mason's running, really.

I certainly think we all have the right to draw our own conclusions, but I think I'd like to see a little bit more from the young man. Just me.

I saw him make the throws he'll need to make in the KOC offense which I didn't know if he could make coming in so thats my reason for optimism

We've seen KOC spin gold with Darnold, I'll take the guy with an upgrade in mobility and now a true run balance to things.

I'm investing in the unknown of JJ versus the known mediocrity of in this specific case, Trevor Lawrence. But there's a few guys you could bucket there.

Discussion about JJM is limited to those of us who waited on QB though, if he's ever a top 10 QB it will be right about 10.

But considering I thought he'd totally flop, I'm intrigued. I may be likewise betting into fools gold since it was the bears he carved up

No, that's great. I was actually higher on him out of college than what I wound up seeing but giving him no time wouldn't be fair on my end. In addition to the stats I just gave, he had a good passer rating and success rate. He was bottom-third in aggressiveness and completion rate, but he tended to throw the ball close to the sticks (to a first down) when he did throw. Considering how that game started, it could have been a complete disaster. He fought through some embarrassment, sucked it up, and made all the throws and the decisions when he had to. This should be an interesting year. I wish him the best.

You really should take a bit and watch JTO break that game down. The video link is upthread.

You’re putting way more on JJM than is warranted here.

I wanted to watch it, but when I clicked and saw it was 41 minutes long I quickly closed the window.

Is it really worth a full watch?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Is it really worth a full watch?

I thought so. I skipped around a little to plays I wanted to know more about, but I watched the breakdown of the first half in its entirety.

 

[Schmeabs]

Nothing changed in my opinion of him after his first outing. I am still glad I avoided all skill players on Minn offense as he looks terrible.

 

[Gally]

I am still glad I avoided all skill players on Minn offense as he looks terrible.

We must have watched a different game. I thought he had rookie nerves and protection (conservative play calls) early but improved as the game went along and showed he can make all necessary throws and had enough speed/elusiveness to be a positive from the QB position. While Jefferson might not be top 5 at the WR position for FF this year he will still be startable and have top 5 games sprinkled in.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am still glad I avoided all skill players on Minn offense as he looks terrible.

We must have watched a different game. I thought he had rookie nerves and protection early but improved as the game went along and showed he can make all necessary throws and had enough speed/elusiveness to be a positive from the QB position. While Jefferson might not be top 5 at the WR position for FF this year he will still be startable and have top 5 games sprinkled in.

Likewise. His protection was rough, and his receivers didn’t help him out by being out of synch, slipping, or getting bumped at the line throwing off their timing.

Purely from a FF perspective, dude put up 27 points in basically 1/4 of play. I can only imagine his production will rise as he is trusted more and the passing game gels with the OL & receivers. Especially after week 3 when he gets Addison back (a significant upgrade from Thielen & Nailor, IMO)

 

[Smack Tripper]

Is it really worth a full watch?

I thought so. I skipped around a little to plays I wanted to know more about, but I watched the breakdown of the first half in its entirety.

I missed this where is the link to it

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Is it really worth a full watch?

I thought so. I skipped around a little to plays I wanted to know more about, but I watched the breakdown of the first half in its entirety.

I missed this where is the link to it

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[Dizzy]

Nothing changed in my opinion of him after his first outing. I am still glad I avoided all skill players on Minn offense as he looks terrible.

You know that SEP is the new pre-season right? Offenses are a hot mess until OCT rolls around.

 

[Manster]

I am still glad I avoided all skill players on Minn offense as he looks terrible.

We must have watched a different game. I thought he had rookie nerves and protection early but improved as the game went along and showed he can make all necessary throws and had enough speed/elusiveness to be a positive from the QB position. While Jefferson might not be top 5 at the WR position for FF this year he will still be startable and have top 5 games sprinkled in.

Likewise. His protection was rough, and his receivers didn’t help him out by being out of synch, slipping, or getting bumped at the line throwing off their timing.

Purely from a FF perspective, dude put up 27 points in basically 1/4 of play. I can only imagine his production will rise as he is trusted more and the passing game gels with the OL & receivers. Especially after week 3 when he gets Addison back (a significant upgrade from Thielen & Nailor, IMO)

For the moment I’m pretty stoked. Seems like the coach, and supporting cast are there for him to shine

 

[ponchsox]

After JJM gets a few games under his belt and gets Addison back, I think he’s going to ball out for fantasy.

 

[Faust]

Vikings not surprised by J.J. McCarthy's eye-opening NFL debut

 

[massraider]

For the moment I’m pretty stoked. Seems like the coach, and supporting cast are there for him to shine

If a person is of the opinion that long term fantasy success for a QB is impacted dramatically by situation/organization, that person should be optimistic/excited by JJ McCarthy.

I am such a person.

 

[Runkle]

"Threw a pick-six, had a TD toss, and his wife had a baby all in the same week: the Philip Rivers Hat Trick"

 

[skol asylum]

I am still glad I avoided all skill players on Minn offense as he looks terrible.

We must have watched a different game. I thought he had rookie nerves and protection early but improved as the game went along and showed he can make all necessary throws and had enough speed/elusiveness to be a positive from the QB position. While Jefferson might not be top 5 at the WR position for FF this year he will still be startable and have top 5 games sprinkled in.

Likewise. His protection was rough, and his receivers didn’t help him out by being out of synch, slipping, or getting bumped at the line throwing off their timing.

Purely from a FF perspective, dude put up 27 points in basically 1/4 of play. I can only imagine his production will rise as he is trusted more and the passing game gels with the OL & receivers. Especially after week 3 when he gets Addison back (a significant upgrade from Thielen & Nailor, IMO)

Addison also looked locked in from clips I saw in camp. I think he's going to get a lot of targets.

 

[Faust]

Falcons vs. Vikings: Atlanta keeps J.J. McCarthy, Minnesota out of end zone in strong 22-6 victory

 

[The Frankman]

J.J. McCarthy completed 11-of-21 passes for 158 yards and two interceptions while running 5 times for 25 yards in the Vikings’ 22-6, Week 2 loss to the Falcons.

McCarthy and the Vikings were unable to replicate their fourth quarter magic from Week 1 after struggling to move the football for three quarters, managing just six points before the break and being held off the scoreboard entirely in the final two frames. The second-year effective rookie also put the ball on the ground three times, losing one fumble, as the Vikings gained just 198 total yards of offense on a modest 23:28 time of possession. The early-season returns are less than adequate to sustain viable fantasy production for managers that invested in Kevin O’Connell’s offense, something the team will look to correct ahead of a Week 3 meeting with a Bengals team without quarterback Joe Burrow.
- Rotoworld

I'm still stunned they played him so little in the preseason. He's had a rough start to the season.

 

[Schmeabs]

Nothing changed in my opinion of him after his first outing. I am still glad I avoided all skill players on Minn offense as he looks terrible.

Good Call

 

[kface]

Tlaw kills BTJ
JJ kills JJ
Hurts kills AJB

Heck of a first round for some people

 

[Mitchie]

The important question is will he win Offensive player of the week?

 

[karl.Racki]

There is no way minnesota goes all year with him as QB.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I think some are writing him off a tad too soon. Let’s give him at least 10 starts before we determine what he is and what he is going to be. I would also like to see how he looks with his starting left tackle and Jordan Addison playing. We are still early into to first act people:

 

[ponchsox]

Reading a defense is the toughest thing for a rookie to learn and it takes time. Sam Darnold was the same as a rookie.

 

[zamboni]

I think some are writing him off a tad too soon. Let’s give him at least 10 starts before we determine what he is and what he is going to be. I would also like to see how he looks with his starting left tackle and Jordan Addison playing. We are still early into to first act people:

Agreed - he’s essentially a rookie. Few QBs come out and take the world by storm like Stroud and Daniels did.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Reading a defense is the toughest thing for a rookie to learn and it takes time. Sam Darnold was the same as a rookie.

Sam was bounced around by a few different teams until he found success. That usually doesn't bode well for development.

 

[Banger]

Looks like McCarthys week 1 success may be due to the fact that the Bears are just bad. McCarthy has flashes of goodness but then looks completely lost. Gonna be a roller coaster of a year. Wait until they play GB twice.

 

[SoBeDad]

Looks like McCarthys week 1 success may be due to the fact that the Bears are just bad. McCarthy has flashes of goodness but then looks completely lost. Gonna be a roller coaster of a year. Wait until they play GB twice.

The Falcon defense is playing great. They held TB to 260 total yards.

Next week vs CIN will be a better indicator of JIM's outlook.

 

[Raback]

As someone who watched every snap of JJ’s college career, I’m a believer. Bad outing last night for sure, though his OL did him no favors. Think the talent and mindset will win out over the course of the year though

 

[Dizzy]

As someone who watched every snap of JJ’s college career, I’m a believer. Bad outing last night for sure, though his OL did him no favors. Think the talent and mindset will win out over the course of the year though

As someone who has watched every snap of JJ's pro career... he has looked completely lost on 88% of the snaps he has played.

Now, he is just getting started so he gets a lot more rope... but I am sure there are a LOT of MIN fans, teammates, and maybe even coaches and front office people re-thinking that Sam Darnold decision.

 

[steelcityman]

Comparing basically a rookie to an 8 yr veteran is unfair, in any way. Kid is 2 games into his career. Take a step back. If you are relying on him as your QB1, thats your fault. Its pretty easy to defend Minn now, no real threat of a running game, and one WR to cover. When Addison is back, i think that offense gets going. McC will have 3 games under him, Addison and him supposedly had a nice thing going in camp, so I'm willing to wait a while on him to come around.

 

[Dizzy]

Comparing basically a rookie to an 8 yr veteran is unfair, in any way. Kid is 2 games into his career. Take a step back. If you are relying on him as your QB1, thats your fault. Its pretty easy to defend Minn now, no real threat of a running game, and one WR to cover. When Addison is back, i think that offense gets going. McC will have 3 games under him, Addison and him supposedly had a nice thing going in camp, so I'm willing to wait a while on him to come around.

Agree, but you can't tell me those whispers aren't happening. The whole hand-slapping the O-line after a pic-6 played out great on MNF with the way they played in the 4th QTR. Didn't look so great yesterday.

The concerning thing to me was the complete lack of ball security yesterday. And this is where we get into the whole, IT DOES NOT MATTER how well someone played in the minor leagues. The NFL is where grown men get paid to try and ruin your career. Felt like JJ put the ball on the ground 4 times last night. That is concerning because you know that can become a real reputation and target for defenses.

 

[Chaka]

Excuse me, I keep looking for the JJ McCarthy thread but the link keeps taking me to the Caleb Williams thread.

 

[ponchsox]

The Vikings need to design a few run/option plays for JJ to open things up. He doesn’t look great as a pocket passer. He’s going to succeed with his legs and broken plays.

 

[Ray_T]

I am still glad I avoided all skill players on Minn offense as he looks terrible.

We must have watched a different game. I thought he had rookie nerves and protection (conservative play calls) early but improved as the game went along and showed he can make all necessary throws and had enough speed/elusiveness to be a positive from the QB position. While Jefferson might not be top 5 at the WR position for FF this year he will still be startable and have top 5 games sprinkled in.

JJ didnt look great in week 1 until the comeback. he didnt look great in week 2 but I'm also not sure about the playcalling in week 2. without getting into that I have to say the following:

He is basically a rookie. technically hes a 2nd year pro but due to injury he redshirted last year. so while more than a rookie I would argue not by much.

you can poo poo the performances if you want, but the important thing at this point is that he learns and improves. if he doesnt improve thats where you have a problem. He does need to be better than this if hes gonna be productive long term. I think that is the takeaway.

but let us keep in mind this kid is not much more than a rookie. There are going to be bumps in the road. sometimes he will perform against a good Defense and then get shut down by a bad one. these things happen to rookies and we need to not get too wrapped up in what he does today. What we do need to see is an ability to learn and adapt to what the defense shows. I'm willing to forgive a couple rough starts early in his playing career. This is to be expected. but I need to see progress. and in the coming weeks we will see if he progresses.

If you are starting him, you may want to get a second QB as this may be a rough road over the next 6-8 weeks. Possibly for the year.

in keeper/dynasty I wouldnt plan on him being viable as a starter until late this year or early next year.

 

[Big Nate]

JJM is killing my Hock shares. This is rough.

 

[mjb03003]

If you are starting him, you may want to get a second QB as this may be a rough road over the next 6-8 weeks. Possibly for the year.

in keeper/dynasty I wouldnt plan on him being viable as a starter until late this year or early next year.

I agree with this, which is too bad because there was a lot of steam for him to be a QB1 right away. The argument was basically that he was a more talented Darnold, and the scheme/coaching is extremely conducive to high end passing production.

Not sure what to think right now but based on how poor 7 of his 8 quarters have been, it’s hard to trust him as a fantasy QB. Now Aaron Jones may be hurt…

 

[Gally]

If you are starting him, you may want to get a second QB as this may be a rough road over the next 6-8 weeks. Possibly for the year.

in keeper/dynasty I wouldnt plan on him being viable as a starter until late this year or early next year.

I agree with this, which is too bad because there was a lot of steam for him to be a QB1 right away. The argument was basically that he was a more talented Darnold, and the scheme/coaching is extremely conducive to high end passing production.

Not sure what to think right now but based on how poor 7 of his 8 quarters have been, it’s hard to trust him as a fantasy QB. Now Aaron Jones may be hurt…

Losing three O-lineman including his center early on and throughout the game wasn't doing him any favors either. He missed a couple throws but was running for his life most of the game (6 sacks from a usually terrible Atlanta pass rush). If the O-Line plays like it did last night this will be a long season.

He is a rookie and will make rookie mistakes. Hard to trust in redraft for sure but still has promise in dynasty.

 

[mjb03003]

If you are starting him, you may want to get a second QB as this may be a rough road over the next 6-8 weeks. Possibly for the year.

in keeper/dynasty I wouldnt plan on him being viable as a starter until late this year or early next year.

I agree with this, which is too bad because there was a lot of steam for him to be a QB1 right away. The argument was basically that he was a more talented Darnold, and the scheme/coaching is extremely conducive to high end passing production.

Not sure what to think right now but based on how poor 7 of his 8 quarters have been, it’s hard to trust him as a fantasy QB. Now Aaron Jones may be hurt…

Losing three O-lineman including his center early on and throughout the game wasn't doing him any favors either. He missed a couple throws but was running for his life most of the game (6 sacks from a usually terrible Atlanta pass rush). If the O-Line plays like it did last night this will be a long season.

He is a rookie and will make rookie mistakes. Hard to trust in redraft for sure but still has promise in dynasty.

I assume you’re calling him a rookie because this season is his first game action, but I tried to make that case against him this summer for why I wasn’t so high on him and I swear everyone here was convinced that his experience holding a clipboard and going through the mental reps/preparation were going to have him light years ahead of a true “rookie.”

 

[karl.Racki]

I think some are writing him off a tad too soon. Let’s give him at least 10 starts before we determine what he is and what he is going to be. I would also like to see how he looks with his starting left tackle and Jordan Addison playing. We are still early into to first act people:

I get that, but that team had a run in their sights this season and with Detroit and the way Green Bay is playing, can they afford to go 0-3, or 0-4 in that division?

 

[Ray_T]

If you are starting him, you may want to get a second QB as this may be a rough road over the next 6-8 weeks. Possibly for the year.

in keeper/dynasty I wouldnt plan on him being viable as a starter until late this year or early next year.

I agree with this, which is too bad because there was a lot of steam for him to be a QB1 right away. The argument was basically that he was a more talented Darnold, and the scheme/coaching is extremely conducive to high end passing production.

Not sure what to think right now but based on how poor 7 of his 8 quarters have been, it’s hard to trust him as a fantasy QB. Now Aaron Jones may be hurt…

Losing three O-lineman including his center early on and throughout the game wasn't doing him any favors either. He missed a couple throws but was running for his life most of the game (6 sacks from a usually terrible Atlanta pass rush). If the O-Line plays like it did last night this will be a long season.

He is a rookie and will make rookie mistakes. Hard to trust in redraft for sure but still has promise in dynasty.

no it doesnt help at all. I wasnt aware of the injuries but that would explain the weaker performance against a weaker D.

I'm a big believer in breaking the bank to make sure your rookie QB has a good line to play behind. its the best way to help their development.

the injuries likely took a decent line and made it somewhat suspect. (backups are typically backups for a reason i suspect)

I never got to watch much as my kids were both sick so my sample size in terms of what I got to see wasnt huge.

but this is good info to know and add context to the situation.

 

[Ray_T]

If you are starting him, you may want to get a second QB as this may be a rough road over the next 6-8 weeks. Possibly for the year.

in keeper/dynasty I wouldnt plan on him being viable as a starter until late this year or early next year.

I agree with this, which is too bad because there was a lot of steam for him to be a QB1 right away. The argument was basically that he was a more talented Darnold, and the scheme/coaching is extremely conducive to high end passing production.

Not sure what to think right now but based on how poor 7 of his 8 quarters have been, it’s hard to trust him as a fantasy QB. Now Aaron Jones may be hurt…

Losing three O-lineman including his center early on and throughout the game wasn't doing him any favors either. He missed a couple throws but was running for his life most of the game (6 sacks from a usually terrible Atlanta pass rush). If the O-Line plays like it did last night this will be a long season.

He is a rookie and will make rookie mistakes. Hard to trust in redraft for sure but still has promise in dynasty.

I assume you’re calling him a rookie because this season is his first game action, but I tried to make that case against him this summer for why I wasn’t so high on him and I swear everyone here was convinced that his experience holding a clipboard and going through the mental reps/preparation were going to have him light years ahead of a true “rookie.”

as a guy who has played QB I can tell you that you do learn from being on the bench, but the rate that you learn is not nearly as fast as the pace you learn while you are actually on the field playing and seeing it from the perspective of the QB position.

analyzing tape helps, but the view of the camera is different from the view of the QB on the field. Lots of people dont make this connection. At ground level it is a totally different ballgame.

so I'd still say hes not a whole lot better than a typical rookie.

 

[Gally]

I assume you’re calling him a rookie because this season is his first game action,

yes

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

against a weaker D.

ATL completely revamped this defense. I don’t think they were weaker - they swarm to the ball, get consistent pass rush pressure on the QB, and JJM had zero chance of success with that little time to throw. That ATL defense is significantly improved.

The few times he wasn’t getting crushed instantly he made terrific throws. The 50 yarder for the FG at the end of the half. The back to back throws on 3rd & 18 & 1st & 10. Those were bigtime throws.

MIN’s OL is a disaster right now. Not absolving JJM entirely - he’s still gotta find a way to elevate his game, but he had none chance on most of those plays.

 

[Ray_T]

against a weaker D.

ATL completely revamped this defense. I don’t think they were weaker - they swarm to the ball, get consistent pass rush pressure on the QB, and JJM had zero chance of success with that little time to throw. That ATL defense is significantly improved.

The few times he wasn’t getting crushed instantly he made terrific throws. The 50 yarder for the FG at the end of the half. The back to back throws on 3rd & 18 & 1st & 10. Those were bigtime throws.

MIN’s OL is a disaster right now. Not absolving JJM entirely - he’s still gotta find a way to elevate his game, but he had none chance on most of those plays.

well that's the thing about rookies (and backup QB) they are slower to adapt to things when the Defense throws a curveball. a large part of that is if you have not seen something in a certain formation, it can sometimes create that confusion. and when I say confusion, I mean it takes a half second longer to figure out where the ball needs to go. often that's just enough to get you a sack.

but if he faces a Defense next time and has a similar play, the hope is that he doesnt need to hold the ball an extra half second.

thats where the experience helps.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

the hope is that he doesnt need to hold the ball an extra half second.

Agreed, but the reality is he didn’t even have a half second on several of those sacks. Just a free path to the QB. Ugly.

 

[Genius1223]

Reading a defense is the toughest thing for a rookie to learn and it takes time. Sam Darnold was the same as a rookie.

That would be my major question. In college played for a team that was cheating and stealing signs. Immediately after the cheating being revealed, he had 0 pass attempts in the second half in a game vs. Penn State. That told me something. Talented arm. Decent athlete/runner. Can he read a defense?

 

[Gally]

Immediately after the cheating being revealed, he had 0 pass attempts in the second half in a game vs. Penn State. That told me something. Talented arm. Decent athlete/runner. Can he read a defense?

It tells me that Michigan ran over Penn St and didn't need to throw.

 

[Manster]

the hope is that he doesnt need to hold the ball an extra half second.

Agreed, but the reality is he didn’t even have a half second on several of those sacks. Just a free path to the QB. Ugly.

I was coming in here to say, the dirty bird D was nasty last night! To me, that was the main takeaway from the game…..honestly, both D’s were good. Hotlanta just a little better….and they have Bijan

 

[Ray_T]

the hope is that he doesnt need to hold the ball an extra half second.

Agreed, but the reality is he didn’t even have a half second on several of those sacks. Just a free path to the QB. Ugly.

I was coming in here to say, the dirty bird D was nasty last night! To me, that was the main takeaway from the game…..honestly, both D’s were good. Hotlanta just a little better….and they have Bijan

That was the difference in the game. Atlanta could run the ball and Minny wasnt able to match that.

QB play on both sides was roughly equal in my opinion.

Minny 80 yards rushing (aprox) Atlanta just under 220 yards rushing.

Mccarthy threw for like 30 yards more than Penix but did not have the ground game to support him.